These little ladies need your help!

[killacamkilla]

Hey all here are a few pics of my little guys i have 3 skunk 1 white queen and 1 white widow. i am using a 400w MH i have good ventilation coming in from outside with a canfan for exhaust when i need it. Humid is at a solid 50-60% and temp ranges from 18-23 degrees C. i am growing in soil as you can see. i received these 2 days ago and have had them going for 2 days on 18-6. from my understanding they were just put in those pots the day i received them. some are looking well, but some are looking like they are declining. oh yeah they are all clones and all are female.

What is the best distance to have your 400w mh above your plants? i have no started adding any nutes yet could that be a problem. there pics are after i woke up this morn and the soil was getting pretty dry so i added some water. the only other thing i can think of that is hurting my babies is there is a very small light leak with my ventilation coming in. hope you guys can help thanks alot. KillaCam

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[seattlesmoke247]

I am almost positive I read a thread saying 12-16 inches away for a 400w.

Don't take my word for it, check a few other logs I am sure you will find the anwser but keep us updated on the plants.

EDIT: http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/83999-400w-hps-how-far-away.html



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[LuciferN]

Light leaks won't cause yellowing, but can get you some hermies ! You should try to fix that. Are you already flowering these little plants ? As the pictures are a little blurry I'm not too sure.

[killacamkilla]

nope just vegging with a 400w Metal halide. 18 hrs on 6 off. i will take more pics they'll be up within the hour. thanks for the input guys

[killacamkilla]

here are some more pics hopefully they're more clear so we can figure out whats goin on with these ladies

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[LuciferN]

Well to me this plant is into flowering, don't understand how if you keep it on 18/6, but she has some pistils and starting to form buds... So the problem may really be the lack of nutriments... I there something special you did in the past days/weeks ? Is this plant a clone from another plan ? It may be an autoflowering strain... that really the only guess I have right now...

[killacamkilla]

yes they are clones from other plants. hmmm guess well have to see what happen i hope their not flowering.

[LuciferN]

yes they are clones from other plants. hmmm guess well have to see what happen i hope their not flowering.

I don't want to disappoint you but the picture clearly show some pistils and buds forming. Are you sure you are giving them at least 18 hours of light? I really hop I can help you out, but there is not much I can think of right now... Maybe a more experiences grower will pass by and tell us that I'm wrong.

[bloodbrother]

how often are you watering? they look like they are overwatered possibly. it doesnt matter if they have pistis they are clones you can veg clones with pistils lol. are they rooted clones? do you have a fan lightly blowing between light and canopy? also how far is it away from light? if you can hold your hand at top of leaves for a minute without the heat being uncomfortable its agood distance. or even hold your hand like a foot from the light and gradually get closer until it is uncomfortable to get an idea of the distance so that you dont have to keep moving the light

edit: oh and the yellowing is normal for clones as long as the newer growth is green don't worry about nutes just yet wait at least a week

[Shovelhandle]

two days ago you got them? They could be yellow from overwatering, as bloodbro said. Also the transplant could have shocked them. No matter that they are showing preflowers. They should be vegged until they have a good root system before flowering otherwise they will be slow to grow.
I keep 400 W MH about 18" from stabilized plants, probably a little further for clones that are still rooting.

.02 Shov

[killacamkilla]

thanks a lot bloodbrother just what i wanted to hear. this morning was the first time i watered them in the last 2 - 2.5 days. i woke up this morning and the pots were light and dry feel and by eye. yes from my understanding they are rooted clones. yes i have a fan running at the top of the canopy on low speed. i have the light about 1 ft away from the light but i don't feel much heat at the canopy probably due to the fan running maybe i can drop the light another 2 - 6 inches.

[killacamkilla]

should that fan be running during the dark cycle just to move air around?

[killacamkilla]

thanks for the advice shov. i have been checking out your forums the last couple days for tips and such. could it be a ph problem with my tap water perhaps whats a good ph. and should i buy a ph pen or something

[seattlesmoke247]

Good PH for a soil grow is 6.3-6.8.

[Help_Needed]

Actually, you're panicking over nothing. These are clones. It's normal for the leaves on a clone to yellow as the cutting canibalizes itself to grow roots. Once the roots take hold in the soil and start to draw nutrients, the clone will start to put out new growth. It's pretty common for the yellow leaves to dye off at that point to.

Oh, and to LuciferN: The plant isn't forming flowers. These clones were apparently taken during flower, so the old buds are still there. The plants will consume them as it produces new leafs.

[killacamkilla]

thanks help needed and to all the others also. im going to try to keep posting updated pics so pop by a check them out.

should i let those dying leaves fall off by themselves of take them off myself?

[Duke420]

Leave them to fall on their own. The plant will feed off the leaves until they root well and you can feed them 1/4 strength, I feed around 300ppm.

cheers

[bloodbrother]

ya definately leave the browning/yellowing leaves on picking them off is robbing the plant of nutrients since they use stored energy in leaves to build root system

[killacamkilla]

once again thank you very much for your input guys. much appreciated!

[LuciferN]

Oh, and to LuciferN: The plant isn't forming flowers. These clones were apparently taken during flower, so the old buds are still there. The plants will consume them as it produces new leafs.

I've realized that later on, I'm just use to take clone from a plant not flowering it also cause less yellowing on the clones, but thanks for the input !

[stinkyattic]

They're really pale, even for clones. What's the soil? They also look a bit overwatered. Run your ventilation AT ALL TIMES and I would leave the lights on 24/0 because of that weird flower response. I bet those came off a flowering female. You get them from a dispensary?

[killacamkilla]

as far as i know the soil could be pro mix. The partner got them off a friend from a mother. what is a good rule of thumb for watering these ladies. i check visually and by feel. and have been watering about every 2 days. just when they look extremely dry. i am using a 400w MH. i have a 4" inline canfan, 2 normal fans for air movement. blowing above the clones under the light. lights on temp (19-23)C degrees. lights off temp(17-20)C. i have currently done what stinky said and have my fan running at all times along with the lights. Here are some New pictures. Hopefully these can help find out something new.

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[stinkyattic]

I really think that your soil may have been pre-fertilized, because they look burned. Also, raise your lights until you figure out what's up, and run your exhaust but turn your circ fans to low. You have got to find out what that dirt was though- that's probably your main problem. Something really weird is up with that.

[killacamkilla]

still as far as i know its pro mix used with some liquid karma. also i DID find out that these clones were taken off a flowering plant. i will get back with more info thanks stinkyattic.

[stinkyattic]

I don't know much about LK but it is possible that there was too much used. I'd stick to plain tap water for the moment and if you have superthrive available, one DROP per GALLON (really, less is more!) next time you water. You will be feeding pretty soon.
What are you going to use for veg ferts? Plan that out, and expect to start at 1/4 strength for the first couple feedings.

[killacamkilla]

we will be using sensi grow part A and B and sensi bloom with some big bug for flowering. anything else i can do to improve these babies? also i have my intake coming in at the top of the room. this is my only available intake(ducting). should i hang a circulating fan at the top of the room to blow that fresh air down . is there any way that the good air coming in is being blown out the exhaust fan and bad air is just circulating at the bottom of the room?