diesel ryder winter grow

[lunarose]

Hi All So I have decided to start a new grow that will incorporate both inside and outside grow elements. I will be growing on our balcony but will be able to move it easily inside if it starts to get too cold something I don't think will be an issue for me. The strain I am going with is Diesel Ryder from Joint Doctor so they should finish between Xmas and New Years. I bought this small tiered greenhouse I plan on using only one two of the shelves but may use more depending on the spacing. I have two mylas emergency blankets that I will hang on three sides of the GH. I have ten 23 watt 6500k 1600 lumen CFLs plus some natural daylight. I am thinking that between the mylar and CFLs that they should be warm enough here in Cali typically our nights average in the mid to high thirties I may consider getting a heating pad but the space is going to be so small that I can't see it being necessary. So while I wait for my beans to arrive does anyone have any suggestions? Ideas? Thoughts? I am either going to use an 18/6 or 20/4 light cycle. I've only really grown in the summer in a gh and haven't tried an autoflower so if there are any quirks I need to worry about let me know. Thanks

[lunarose]

Okay the beans are germinating now. I have changed my mind on which autoflower strain I am going to grow in this mini greenhouse. I am going to grow auto AK-47 outside and will be growing the diesel ryder inside. The pots are 10".

[hahaitsdoogle]

Looks like you have a good setup going, am im probably wrong, but i think this isnt your first grow! I look forward to watching your lowriders... how long from veg to buds?

[lunarose]

Thanks. I've grown outside before but this is my first set up type grow. They are suppose to finish in 70 days and about 24 inches talls.

[hahaitsdoogle]

Are lowryders like a genetically engineered seed? or do you just cut them after the 2nd-3rd tier? im curious

[should]

Very nice set up, ill be looking foward to see how yours compare to mine(probably alot faster growing since my temps are so high) but looking good so far. Good luck:thumbsup:

[lunarose]

Should, I think I may have screwed things up I am so pissed with myself. I had place the seeds in little jiffy pots last night and because it was a cold night I left in the the little pots and placed them in the oven (not on) with the oven's internal light on figuring the light would help stimulate the growth. Well I had no idea that that single light would be so warm as to dry them out. Anyway they are now out in the GH so hopefully something will grow....shit shit shit!

[should]

Damn, sorry to hear about that. let us know if everything works out

[lunarose]

Hi Should, The rumors of their demise was greatly exaggerated(G) All seven have popped their heads. I am sure glad I didn't just dump them and restart. Here is a picture of a couple of them.

[should]

Thats good to know, im just about to update my pics so come check em out. Keep us updated and good luck

[lunarose]

hahaitsdoogle, I am not sure I *think* that the auto flowering is a genetic trait that occurs naturally and bred to a dominant trait so that the majority autoflower in the lowryder strain. From there they have been crossing them with other strains and breeding the trait in them.

So here are some pictures they are now ten days from seed. I don't know if they are on track size wide or if they are a bit stunted because I have been having heat problems the grow area keeps hitting the nineties!

[Shovelhandle]

I'm happy your seedlings did ok. I did that myself this grow. I put the seeds in paper towel on a computer modem. Way hot, I had a lot of dead seeds and poor seedlings. I usually plant right in a windowbox type vessel and keep it near some heat source but it didn't work that way this time.

Good growing.

[lunarose]

Shov, This time of year our weather can get a bit tricky days can hit the nineties nights high fifties. The CFL's are also heating up the grow space more then I could have anticipated so I am not too sure what to do.

[Shovelhandle]

Well, use a thermometer to keep an eye on the temp right where the plant is. You would like to see 'day' temps below 85* and 'night ' temps over 70*
I like to use a small box fan to blow on the plants. You could use a wet towel wicking water from a bucket as the fan blows across it onto the plants. That might bring is down the temp a bit and it's easy to set up. Or an air conditioner would be great... ;)

[lunarose]

Shov, I have a thermometer in there are it is too warm I would have never thought that the CFL's could generate as much heat as they do. I've got a fan going in there now and that is helping. Once our weather settles down to normal I should be okay.

[lunarose]

So they are now three weeks old. One of the seven looks kind of iffy so I am not too sure if it will survive but the rest are looking good. My main question is am I on track are they growing at a typical rate for AFs

[seattlesmoke247]

I am planning on growing diesel ryder next year, so I will be following this log!

[lunarose]

Seattle, This is my first try with an autoflower strain. So far I can say they do seem hardy despite my screw ups(G) I wish I knew if their growth rate is normal they do seem to be growing slower then I would expect but who knows. I also think they need more light.

[lunarose]

Hi All, Well here are some new pictures. They are 3 weeks old now. They look okay to me but seem awfully small to me. I would have thought they would be at their max height now and starting to flower but as you all can sewe they are even close to it. They are about 2-3 inches tall now. Last watering I gave them some Fox Farm Grow Big at a 1/4 strength. Any ideas?

[Firemansam606]

Hmm, I have a 2 week old plant (LR2) that looks like it's on its way to being a similar size as yours by week 3. I thought that because I'm only using a 2700K bulb that possibly this was the reason for mine growing so slowly but this doesn't explain why yours are going so slow.... possibly they'll continue to grow through some of their flowering period?
I'm not sure if that is good or bad since it's taking budding energy away from buds :(

I noticed you mentioned heat issues, this is something I've also had to deal with. The box has been reaching 31c and I'm sure sometimes it's been hotter than that from time to time but luckily the night temps are dropping below 0c now so that'll be helping since my vents go outside.

All the best

Oscar Mike

[Shovelhandle]

Three weeks isn't much time, Lunarose. My grow started slow this time too. But it's kicking azz now!

Keep the faith.

[kack409]

those look cute, keep it green =]

[lunarose]

Firemansam, Surprisingly the heat issues haven't really affected them despite the fact that the temps got as high as 37c. I did up my lighting from 18/6 to 20/4 and that seems to working even the runt is starting to grow.
Shov, I guess I am panicing a bit(G) I've never grown or seen a grow of an AF I guess I was expecting them to be 2 feet by now(G)
Kack, Thanks the paln is to have a perpetual grow for the winter.

[lunarose]

So I have one boy. He's awfully small kind of me think he's from of a doll house grow(G)

[lunarose]

Hi All, So they are a month old now. They are growing....slowly. So far only the one plant has shown its sex as male.... As you can see their growth is fairly consistent in all of them.

[jakezking]

luna, your plants are looking mighty fine. I think they are about the right size, from my experience. My Mighty Freeze was an autoflower strain, and she ended up only about 1 and 1/2 feet tall, but she took her time getting there. Most of the autoflowerers I've seen on this board grow to only about 1 foot tall, so I think yours are on a pretty good pace, seeing as how they are around 1 month now.

I've been tempted to buy some autoflower seeds so I can start a crop early this coming Spring. I want to have a few outdoor harvests next year, as I have had this year.

I'm glad to see your indoor and balcony gh setups are treating you well so far. I have not had time to build an attic setup. There for awhile I was looking at possibly moving, so that was another reason to delay a setup. Who knows what the future holds? But, maybe I will mess with an indoor setup next year - I still want one, but right now it is impractical. Plus, I can grow outside until around the first of the year, picking back up in April; so, I only have a few months where I can't grow outside. Can you tell I am vascilating on building indoors?

Well, I should get going. I wanted to see how you were doing, and I hope all is well with you, your mom, and everyone else you know and love. Be good out there, my friend!

[c0mrade]

Im sorry if im wrong but im sure thats not mylar, For your heating problem as I said sorry if im wrong its probly because you've got your setup with tin/aluminum foil. If it is mylar then its either old stuff or its shitty mylar, Also with your reflecting you also wanna make sure if your using mylar to not make folds and crumples in the mylar because when the light reflects off of it, the light creates hot spots because theres bends in the mylar :P

Aswel to your problem with it small, What kind of nutes are you using? Also maybe try using some stronger lights.

[lunarose]

Jake, Good to see you back so far two have shown balls and of course they were the two biggest. I was hoping to get an ounce out of each plant but I am not sure if I will. I plan on trying out several other AF strains. I like the idea of having a perpetual crop of AF's along with my annual outside grow. I'm just not ready to go all inside yet.

My mom is doping great and is planning on making the turkey this year(G) Right now we are all freaking out over my husband's youngest who just got injured in Iraq. He is going to be okay but he has badly fractured arm we have heard the scary words "shattered" and "arterial" bleed but we also heard that he should be able to go back to his unit if he chooses...... Right now we are waiting on him being transfered to the hospital in Germany where he'll have some surgery and probably have some hardware place in his elbow to match the hardware in his wrist from a previous break.

[lunarose]

Comarde, It is cheap mylar actually its a mylar emergency blanket. Right now I am feeding the FF Big Grow I plan on adding some Open Sesame with their next watering. I upped the lighting schedule to 20/4 and that seems to have helped.

[c0mrade]

Comarde, It is cheap mylar actually its a mylar emergency blanket. Right now I am feeding the FF Big Grow I plan on adding some Open Sesame with their next watering. I upped the lighting schedule to 20/4 and that seems to have helped.

Yeah, I was just wondering because it didn't look that reflective. My stuff, fuck I can see myself infront of it :P try to find stuff thats 98% reflective thats the good stuff :P

If you can order online, ive used this site.

Mylar 2 mil x 4' x 50' Reflective Film - Plantlighting Hydroponics (http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/mylar-mil-50-reflective-film-p-321.html)

4ft wide by 50ft long for $29.90 usd not bad?

[lunarose]

Comrade, Thanks
that is an excellent price. The mylar/emergency blanket was an after thought and I actually wanted it for heat rather then its reflectiveness nights here can get into the forties and the grow is ooutside on my deck. But the CFLs are warmer then I expected and the temps are a lot higher then normal we'll have some 90's this week!

[Jimbob1310]

hey lunarose, ive been growing autos for a few months now and i can say yours are looking nice. dont worry about the slow veging in the beginning, cause once they start to flower the growth will really pick up. They dont finish veg growth before they flower so you can expect them to be getting bigger pretty much until the harvest.

ive got several LR2's goin right now and im about 2 weeks away from harvest and they are still growing a half inch every 2 days. you should be pleased with your final results

[lunarose]

Thanks JimBob, I had no idea what to expect they do look healthy enough and they certainly seem idiot proof. Here are some new shots. I have four girls I'll be happy if I get an ounce out of each. The last picture is of the runt who happily is a boy.

[Nikolaus]

Man, i've been growing AF AK47 (Grassomatic).
Two out of them seem like yours, the little ones. Another 4 are sweet and 5 times bigger. The other one looks fine, except that the leaves are weird, kinda like a mostruosa.
So i guess you're not doing anything wrong, but some seeds are worse than others. I have four good ones, a crazy one and two small replicas. Like bonzais. I don't expect them to reach the same size as the genetic superior ones.

From seed - oct. 24.
under lights (400w) - oct. 30.

Please send pics. I'll post some as soon as i get the cam. :)

[lunarose]

Hi, I'd love to see some pictures of yours. Of the seven I started I have three males one which was the runt and 4 girls. They are starting to flower now and are close to six weeks old. I don't think any of the girls will get much bigger the a foot in height we'll see.

[lunarose]

Hi All, Here are some new pictures of the girls. They have done a lot of growing this past week. I think I was imagining them being this big at 3 weeks. I am hoping for close to an ounce per plant.

[lunarose]

Here are a couple more

[Nikolaus]

Mine just start flowering and smelling. They're bigger than yours, but i hope the 2 little ones end up like the ones in the pics you posted.
This tuesday i'll get the camera and post the pics.
Where do you expect to harvest?
The AK x Lowrider are quicker, i guess.
;)

[lunarose]

Nikolaus, Mine aren't really smelly yet but then they are outside with a fan blowing on them so maybe that's why. These are my auto ak-47 the diesel ryders which I was going to plant outside but have them growing inside they are 30 days old and have an odor. I was hoping for an ounce per plant but my guess is it will be less. I am not sure when I will harvest they are suppose to reach maturity at 8 weeks which would be in two weeks but I doubt they will be ready. I seem to remember reading somewhere that you gauge their maturity differently then non AF strains but I can't remember what it was do you know?

[Nikolaus]

Hello Luna, well there are the babies.
The first pic is one of the big ones. Second one shows the whole crew. The third one is for you to compare with the little ones. The last pic is just a tiny one alone.
I dont really know what made them so different. Could not be the lighting, as they were just under the lamp a while ago. I decided to put them there to give the ones that are cool a better illumination.
Should i expect them to grow?
Tomorrow they'll be one month old underlights.
Greetings!

[Nikolaus]

The pics
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/nikolaus-albums-ak47-lowrider-picture1107-photo.jpg
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/nikolaus-albums-ak47-lowrider-picture1108-photo2.jpg
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/nikolaus-albums-ak47-lowrider-picture1109-photo3.jpg
http://boards.cannabis.com/members/nikolaus-albums-ak47-lowrider-picture1110-photo4.jpg

[Jimbob1310]

hmm, your the first 2 pictures you posted the last post the plants look a little bit wilted. how often do you water them?

[lunarose]

Nikolaus, Not sure what happen to your pictures but they didn't come out.

Jimbob, I noticed the wilting too I water them 1-2 times a week. I think the smaller one was a little injured when my cat sat on her(G) The second which is wilting more I think might be having issues with the metal rod its touching since at night it probably gets too cold I am having some trouble with regulating the temps. They aren't getting any worse so I am hoping they'll be okay. Which do you think at this stage would be less damaging too much heat (90s) or too much cold (high 50's)?

[Nikolaus]

Hum, i guess it was cause my album was private. Just opened it, so if the pics are still off just go to my ak47 album and check them out.
I water mine when i feel the soil it not wet anymore. Like 1, 1 and 1/2 times a day.
So guys, do you thing the problem with the little ones is genetic? I sorted that out, but it's just a guess as the conditions for all babies are the same.
Salute,
Niki

[Nikolaus]

About the temperatures, it's my third grow but the first one with 400w bulb and more than one plant.
Round here the temperatures sometimes hit the 90's and humidity 40%. In the other experiences this doesn't happened to be a problem. I notice my bottom leaves are getting yellow and dying slowly, but i guess that's pretty much part of the process (with the other 2 was just the same). What do you think?

[lunarose]

Nikolaus, They look good. I had one male that was tiny it never grew beyond being 4" it wasn't right since it popped its head. I have been having trouble regulating the temps so that may have effected all of them I know that they will not finish at 60 days might be closer to 90. I have some diselryder growing in a closet grow and at 3 1/2 weeks they are significantly larger then the ak-47 was at 3 weeks. Also the dieselryders males already have balls.

[Nikolaus]

Nice Luna. Actually i don't have males.
I'm not sure the tiny one is gonna make it. There two of them, but one seems to be getting a little stronger everyday.
Have you ever heard about those varieties producing almost 2 oz. , as described by the growers?

[lunarose]

Nikolaus, At this point I will be happy if I get an ounce per plant. I haven't found many grow logs with different AF strains so I am not sure if anyone ever gets 2 oz. One thing is for sure if they claim that their auto ak-47 as their higher yielder they I probably won't be trying anymore of theirs. I plan on trying some white dwarf they are suppose to veg for two months and then auto flower....the quest continues(G)

[FourTwenty4Life]

So did you ever finish this grow? What was your final yield? Can you share some pictures? They looked great in the last pics you posted.

I see a lot of grow logs that people never finish and I'm thinking...why did you keep a grow log in the first place if you're not going to finish it? lol

[lunarose]

Hi, A lot of the grows got lost when the site went down. The pump died on me and I didn't notice in time so I lost all but two of the DR's. Fortunately of the survivors one was male and one was female so I was able to do a seed run on them. The yield was small I'd say the girl was maybe 6" while the male got to about 8" but the potency was very good so I plan on growing them again. They are a bit of a pain during germination but after the first week they are a very hardy strain.

[joe86el]

I am hoping for close to an ounce per plant.

Nice little setup but an ounce a plant? I'd say more like an ounce for the whole grow. Hope u prove me wrong:hippy: