yellow/purple/grey seedling

[TheXFactor]

the leaves on 1 are curled under(1st node) also yellowing and now with grey spots, a purple vein in center of leaf. others arent curling under but are turning yellow w/ gray spots. growth is really slow for 24/0 schedual.

Younger ones are still working on their first node and have nice deep green to them but the few that arent im concerned about..

Im using happyfrog soil in 5-7'' pots, wqatering with tap water every 2-3 days. Im curious if there is a milder soil out there for seedlings. is that even my problem.



How long has this problem been going on? About a week
What STRAIN are you growing? ICE, hawaiixskunk, NLXhaze, top 44
What was the establishing technique? (seed or clone?) Seed
What Soil? Happy Frog.
What is the age of your plants? 2-3weeks
How Tall are the plants? 3"
What PHASE (seedling, vegetative)
What Technique are you using? (SOG, SCROG etc) Neither
What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot) 5-7" pots/1 per pot
What substrate/medium are you using? What brand of soil mixture are you using?(percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?) Miracle Grow Organic with 50/50 perlite
What Nutrient's are you using?How much of each with how much water? How Often? *Knowing the brand is very helpful* None yet, but will be using earthjuice 6-3-6 for veg.
What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used? Unknown
What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"? n/a
What method of pH test was administered? Using Strips? pH pen? none
How often are you watering? About every 2 days
When was your last feeding and how often are you feeding? N/A
What size bulb are you using? 1 400w mh superbulb
What is the distance to the canopy? 18-24''

What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity) I don't have a humidity meter
What is the canopy temperature? unknown
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range) Day is about 78 and night is about 75
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.) 1 mini fan just blowing directly on plants... using a 4'x4'x7' homebox. it gets new air every 8-16 hours when i check on them, i plan on getting a fan for better ventilation once they're a little larger. should i get one now?
Is the fan blowing directly at plants? yes
Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist? Moist/dry except right after watering, then its just wet.
Is your water HARD or SOFT? i know i dont have softner so im guessing hard.
What water are you using? Reverse Osmosis (RO)? Tap? Bottled? Well water? Distilled? Mineral Water? Tap
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched? No
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when? Not yet
Are plant's infected with pest's? No

[stinkyattic]

MG Organic may be too hot for seedlings, and especially for sativas like Hazes.
Are the first set of TRUE leaves showing problems, or just the little round seed-leaves?
Next time you have to water, do it gently but thoroughly- trickle water through there without disturbing the plants to try and remove some of the excess ferts. I'm glad you have extra perlite, that is a big help.

[TheXFactor]

MG Organic may be too hot for seedlings, and especially for sativas like Hazes.
Are the first set of TRUE leaves showing problems, or just the little round seed-leaves?
Next time you have to water, do it gently but thoroughly- trickle water through there without disturbing the plants to try and remove some of the excess ferts. I'm glad you have extra perlite, that is a big help.

what the hell are you reading.... Stoned or something... i have only one haze strain going.. the rest i believe are indicas, im using happy frog soil. the cotlydon on one plant(its fem seed i dont know strain name) is yellow and grey, then the first node theres yellowing with some grey spot but the 2nd node is the green/yellow.. the rest are too young to know if theirs anything wrong. they look healthy but the ones that arent are worrying me.

[stinkyattic]

You know what, screw you. You said you had a haze in there, I gave you info. You don't want it, have fun fucking around with your pre-fertilized soil.
For your information, I RARELY post on here stoned and this is NOT one of those moments.

Edit: You clearly state 'MG Organic' under the 'substrate/medium' section.

[TheXFactor]

well if u read it carefully and not just what u wanted to read, which ive seen you do many times on other threads, it was accidental i didnt delete everyword from the form i copy/pasted to try and give u as much info as i possibly can, and i did state in the first few sentences that im using happy frog....

im not new to this online thing or even the whole growing thing, but indoors i am.. As for a moderator with ur reputation, u didnt read it well and ur pissed because i pointed it out when i was trying to make stupid joke'what the hell u readin' 'u stoned or something' also, are you the ONLY one here who has a clue as to what ur talking about.. also as a moderator, ur very ill tempered....


i can imagine this thread will be trashed b/c im dissing you, and that will tell alot about the free spirited culture on the web... let alone the environment and culture your trying to create here.... man OG was the shit. Now is there anyone whos going to take the time and read my words carefully with the intentions of helping me help my plants back to health.... and not just want to get into a pissin match.


update:

i did just a few minutes ago flushed 2 of the worst looking plants. and i'll see how that works..

AND for the record there is no MIRACLE GROW anywhere near my plants. i KNOW that stuff is shit.

[stinkyattic]

I didn't think your 'joke' was funny at all.

Read only what I want to see? We all make mistakes, and instead of cussing me out for it, when you CLEARLY posted that you were running MG, you could have corrected yourself and we would not be having this childish pissing match. If I was wrong, you're perfectly entitled to correct me, just like anyone else. If you mis-typed, I fail to see what the big deal is.
So you knew that you forgot to remove the MG bit and still decided to be rude. That's fine. Read my first post. I came into this thread with all the best intentions of helping you.

Whatever, I'm done with this whole discussion. I'm not going to nuke it; maybe someone else will step in and fix your plants.

Good day.

[TheXFactor]

rude, ur the one who started the screw you, n the Fbomb n all that,i simply replied. thank god i didnt comply.


well heres some pics to help out with diagnosis.... for whomever wants to help.... they look pretty good compared to others on here but these are 3 weeks old, germinated on the 4th of sept. they are in 6 inch pots, i personally think they are very very small for that age.... whats the communitys thoughts.

[TheXFactor]

the one with the curl i know is not overwaterd, even tho it looks wet, i just flushed it, its been that way for almost a week now.

and on the other plant its harder to see but the ends and edges are purpleish.

i have 10 other plants growing and only one other one is bit lite in color. but overall good so far.

is happy frog too hot for seedlings as i noticed foxfarm is, well atleast according to stickyattic. on the contrary i notice happyfrog has a decent amount of small peices of wood, and im curious if that would suck out all the nitrogen... but everytthing else is growing good so far, and the colors and the curling of the leaves i believe is not a trait of nit deficiency. just the light colors, and yellows...

And if no one has a solution other than flush/time then i guess y'all can just watch my grow log. and we can all learn together.

[TheXFactor]

I didn't think your 'joke' was funny at all.

Read only what I want to see? We all make mistakes, and instead of cussing me out for it, when you CLEARLY posted that you were running MG, you could have corrected yourself and we would not be having this childish pissing match. If I was wrong, you're perfectly entitled to correct me, just like anyone else. If you mis-typed, I fail to see what the big deal is.
So you knew that you forgot to remove the MG bit and still decided to be rude. That's fine. Read my first post. I came into this thread with all the best intentions of helping you.

Whatever, I'm done with this whole discussion. I'm not going to nuke it; maybe someone else will step in and fix your plants.

Good day.


dude ur nuts! i did state accidentally that there was MG organic soil, but i did clearly state in the beginning im using happy frog.... then in the reply to your first response i stated again, im using happy frog soil. and was not rude at all. your the prick.... prick!

lol 'good day' ok willy wonka

is there karma on this website like og.

[TheXFactor]

hey yall

i have 5 strains growing. A feminized something. NLX Haze, Ice, top 44, HawaiiXSkunk.... each pic is labeled and im going to put each plant into its own post. So if you read this right away n no pics, give it a few minutes... but right here im going to give you all the details i can through text...

indoor growtent, 4'x4'x7' w/ 400MH lamp(16-24'' from plants)... all plants in 6'' mediums w/ Happy frog Soil. I have a fan directly on them and a small fan on one of the vent holes for better ventilation... i dont have it on right now to help keep temps up a litttle. I dont know the temp but i will getting one today. its warm w/o the vent fan on and a bit cooler when it is on...

here are pics of the Female seed i have.. was told they great beans with great results, but i think i screwed them up because i did one day give them 1/2 dose of food botANicare pure blend pro grow. 3-1.5-4 But they were way too young and i may have burned them but they;re all expericening similar but completely different problems. the 2 plants that are having problems are only those that were fed and only the females and 1 ICE. Starting with the females heres what they look like..

top left. was flushed almost a week ago.

top middle... with the purple stripes, looks like PH flux but i completely replanted this one... pulled it out and washed all the soil away and replanted it(3-4 days ago) and watered it and the new growth is still striped purple.(its not cold enough to be cause by cold)

top right- same as above just better pic

[TheXFactor]

i didnt mean the only 2 plants, the only 2 strains that are having problems... heres the ICE by nirvana. one was fed, and the other wasnt.

The one i fed has been flushed almost a week ago. and isnt doing much better, but a little.

[stinkyattic]

Same plants, same problem, merged threads so the info is attached to the current problem.

[TheXFactor]

heres nlxHAZE Doing good.

[TheXFactor]

hawaiiXSkunk there 2 different plants.

[TheXFactor]

heres Top 44 and this is it for now..

[LuciferN]

I have no idea about your problem, but I CAN tell you that being that rude won't help you out... Stinkyattic is one of the best, if not the best, around here so try to get her on your side not the other way. The only advise I can give you is to check the PH of your water and the run-off.

[TheXFactor]

Stinky will you PLEASE help me... im sorry for being rude!! My plants arent looking good and your the only one who knows anything here... im sorry stinky.

[stinkyattic]

Dude, I don't even know what to say to you. You just called me a prick (I'm female btw...) in the last couple days and asked where the Karma was so you could neg me! Both of which I ignored... I am not here to make friends, or enemies. I am here to grow pot and help people become self-sufficient with their meds and lifestyle.
I told you what is wrong with your plants. You CANNOT give any fertilizer to seedlings at all- not organic, not chem, nothing.

*sigh
Be careful trying to remove soil from roots. If you MUST re-plant seedlings, this is how:
Do you have perlite? Take a party cup. MELT some BIG holes in the bottom EDGE with a lighter. Put some perlite in there, like an inch, then take a large serving spoon and scoop like 4" down and 3" diameter like a big plug of your soil. You can only do this when the seedlings are still tiny. Don't touch the roots. Gently place the whole plug in the cup and backfill around it with plain perlite. Then jiggle it gently to settle, and at this point you may safely flush now that there is good drainage around the harsh or overly-dense soil. Flushing is not very helpful when the soil stays soggy.
You don't need to do that though. It's an emergency measure.

Seedlings, once scorched, sometimes have a tough time bouncing back, but I think yours will grow out of it. I would not stress them more by replanting, but I WOULD drill some holes in the sides of the pots to help the soil drain after all the flushing you are doing. From what I see in the pictures, you now have some new green growth after your flush so just drill the holes, keep your air flow correct, and cross your fingers. Don't overwater, either.