HELP PLEASE

[stoutnstoli]

I did sub today and for some reason they said the temp was to high, am I fucked or what? Does anyone have any experience with this??? Anything i can do ro say to get around it? please help!

[Burnt Toast]

If the collector had any issues with the samples temp, you would have been instructed to immediately give a second sample and under direct observation. The collector would then process and send off both samples and make a note on the test form that a re-submit took place under direct observation and the reason(s) why.

If this did not happen to you then you have nothing to worry about. :smokin:

[vej33]

question for Burnt Toast, or anyone.. this has nothing to do with anything important or really relevent... but how can they ask you to immediately give a second sample if you've just peed? lol

sounds silly but really...

[flyingimam]

question for Burnt Toast, or anyone.. this has nothing to do with anything important or really relevent... but how can they ask you to immediately give a second sample if you've just peed? lol

sounds silly but really...

yeah i was about to say... when i start peeing, there is no stopping and i flush it all the way out lol and i must drink liquids to be able to pee within a very short time again which i think is gonna be considered as diluted...

idk, im such a noob in this regard. but i cant pee twice back to back, never been able to and never will be.

[FakeBoobsRule]

You don't get to leave until you give another sample so you can either stay and give another sample or leave and pretty much give up hope on that job. You probably also get 3 hours and 40 ounces of water if you can't go again, which is what they do for "shy bladder." After 40 ounces in 3 hours just about anyone should produce a sample.

[suzieque]

I did sub today and for some reason they said the temp was to high, am I fucked or what? Does anyone have any experience with this??? Anything i can do ro say to get around it? please help!

So what happened? Did they accept the sample? Did they write a high temp on the form?

[stoutnstoli]

The lady never gave me the option to pee again or I wouldve taken it. Ive been clean for about 3 weeks after being a fairly heavey smoker and I did the sub just to be sure. She just wrote down on the papaer that it was a high temp, but never once asked me if I wanted to pee again. So what goes on from here?

[Burnt Toast]

The lady never gave me the option to pee again or I wouldve taken it. Ive been clean for about 3 weeks after being a fairly heavey smoker and I did the sub just to be sure. She just wrote down on the papaer that it was a high temp, but never once asked me if I wanted to pee again. So what goes on from here? The waiting of the lab results.
But if your sub donor was in fact drug-free and not overhydrated then you have nothing to worry about.

[stoutnstoli]

Yea the sub was totally clean and not dilluted at all. So you think that I will be ok even though they said it was a little to warm? Why didnt they offer me a second test when I was there?????

[Burnt Toast]

The urine samples temp is checked as a counter-measure to deter substitution. Once the sample is bagged and sent off, temperature no longer becomes a factor.

The collector pretty much hanged herself when she remarked about the temp on the form. Now she has some explaining to do to her superiors (and the lab) as to why there wasnt a second sample collected and processed along with the questionable sample. She shouldnt have remarked at all. But oh well, she screwed up. Now she has to answer for that.:D

BTW, what was your samples temp when you handed it over?

[stoutnstoli]

It didnt say a specific temp on just said over 100. I told her that I havent been feeling well and had been battleing a fever. She had no specific temp on the shett and didnt take mine. So you think im in the clear? Not that I dont believe you at all, but where are you getting your info?

[Burnt Toast]

My info comes from the regulations set by the Dept of Health & Human Services, the governing body that overlooks the operations of all labs and collection centers licensed in the US. The US Department of Transportation, as well as most state governments also have modeled their drug testing regulations from the DHHS platform. The regs set by DHHS holds the heaviest of weight and will stand up in any court in the US. Failure to follow the regs can result in the revocation of the collection sites certification to conduct drug testing, which could spell the end for the collection site as a business.

If the collector didnt specify the temp, then she screwed herself there as well. Without the specific temp written on the form, no proof can be established that you had submitted a sample outside the acceptable temp range.

Once again, if your sub donor was in fact drug-free and not overhydrated, you have nothing to worry about.

[stoutnstoli]

She didnt write a specific temp on the paper but put <100 on it. Does that count? Or does she need to put a specific temp on it?

[stoutnstoli]

In a case where a specimen is collected under direct observation because of the temperature being out of range, you must process both the original specimen and the specimen collected using direct observation and send the two sets of specimens to the laboratory. This is true even in a case in which the original specimen has insufficient volume but the temperature is out of range. You must also, as soon as possible, inform the DER and collection site supervisor that a collection took place under direct observation and the reason for doing so. They didnt even ask me if i wanted to take a second test under supervision or I would have. What happens if they try to give me a hard time about this? Should I talk to a lawyer?

[Burnt Toast]

They wont ask you to provide a second sample. They will instruct (read order) you to provide a second sample under direct observation. Failure to comply constitutes a refusal to test.


Since so many major mistakes have been made in the collection process (hence the integrity of the testing process had been compromised) its doubtful that they are gonna force the issue about the temp.

Stop worrying.

[stoutnstoli]

Thanks Burnt I feel good about this whole situation now. Just cant believe they fucked up so bad. Its hilarious.

[bnizzle]

how long can i keep clean piss in a cupboard and still use it? as long as i raise the temp, of course.

[suzieque]

was it <100 or >100? < is less than and > is greater than.

[stoutnstoli]

yea my bad it was >100. With everything that ive read about federal and state regualtions they really fucked up. They didnt follow any of the rules so Im pretty confident.