Biden?

[killerweed420]

For you demos thinking that a vote for Obama will mean legalized MJ. Don't forget who his partner in crime is.
Asset Forfeiture: A Seldom Used Tool ... - Google Book Search (http://books.google.com/books?id=_wcsAAAAIAAJ&dq=Joseph+R+Biden&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result&pgis=1)

He wrote the book.

[DaBudhaStank]

Does anyone who has a brain think any of these people, either side, will legalize or decriminalize reef? I don't even think I've seen or heard the slightest thing to suggest that.

[flyingimam]

its not talk of full legalization or decriminalization

however, i think with obama's ticket MMJ has a better chance of exclusion nationally from DEA

its a medicine... u dont see DEA raiding pharmacies for huge amounts of Xanax they hold and that is also a street drug people get so addicted to

on the other hand McCain will play the role of the Surgeon general and tell u i know better that its bad for u and there are better pills, go make the pharma industry some money till i figure out how we gonna fix the healthcare mess

2008 Presidential Candidates on Medical Marijuana (http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/viewresource.asp?resourceID=882)

[daihashi]

its not talk of full legalization or decriminalization

however, i think with obama's ticket MMJ has a better chance of exclusion nationally from DEA

its a medicine... u dont see DEA raiding pharmacies for huge amounts of Xanax they hold and that is also a street drug people get so addicted to

on the other hand McCain will play the role of the Surgeon general and tell u i know better that its bad for u and there are better pills, go make the pharma industry some money till i figure out how we gonna fix the healthcare mess

2008 Presidential Candidates on Medical Marijuana (http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/viewresource.asp?resourceID=882)

You realize that Obama during the Democratic Debates followed suit with his democrat brothers when asked if he supported decriminalizing Marijuana... correct?

Obama is just pandering to the crowd.. what makes you think he genuinely is even concerned with that.

McCain or Obama.. neither one has any intention of even looking into decriminalizing or legalizing marijuana.

[flyingimam]

You realize that Obama during the Democratic Debates followed suit with his democrat brothers when asked if he supported decriminalizing Marijuana... correct?

Obama is just pandering to the crowd.. what makes you think he genuinely is even concerned with that.

McCain or Obama.. neither one has any intention of even looking into decriminalizing or legalizing marijuana.

did u check the link? i think it tells u the story and where he stands "so far"

and did u read my post accurately enough? i said the issue is not decrim or legalization. if we first cannot federally legitimize MMJ, we will never get to decriminalization or legalization.. NEVER

[daihashi]

did u check the link? i think it tells u the story and where he stands "so far"

and did u read my post accurately enough? i said the issue is not decrim or legalization. if we first cannot federally legitimize MMJ, we will never get to decriminalization or legalization.. NEVER

No I didn't check the link. The man has contradicted himself before and has contradicted his own actions in the senate. I don't believe him anymore than I believe any other politician. Point being is that there is no current interest among any politicians to legalize MMJ on a federal level, decriminalize it or legalize it.

And you're preaching to the choir here. Go look at some of my posts in the activism forum or even the politics forum in regards to how I feel about this.

If there is one thing you and I have in common it would be our desire to see progress in regards to cannabis. So please don't feel as though I was attacking you.

[flyingimam]

If there is one thing you and I have in common it would be our desire to see progress in regards to cannabis. So please don't feel as though I was attacking you.

this is how text gets misunderstood sometimes lol

i never felt that u r attacking me... i was just merely making sure u read it and thats why i put "so far" for his fliflops...

in fact from your past posts, u seem to be more reasonable to be among the usual attacking crowd man:thumbsup: those people dont make sound posts most of the time

my hopes are raised for obama regarding some improvement on mmj federal status the same way your hopes are raised in our system and nation making it through this current situation... thats just me tryin to be optimistic. otherwise looking @ hard facts, i will have to get depressed and lose the tiny amount of hope i have left in my heart

[killerweed420]

Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate that has stated he is for legalizing or basically unlegalizing MJ. He says the feds never had the legal authority to do it to begin with. Which is true. You can't outlaw natural plants. In a true democracy this would never happen.

[daihashi]

Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate that has stated he is for legalizing or basically unlegalizing MJ. He says the feds never had the legal authority to do it to begin with. Which is true. You can't outlaw natural plants. In a true democracy this would never happen.

This is just a pet peeve of mine but why do people always say "if we lived in a true democracy".

This would be ok to say if we our country and government was built on a system of democracy but fact is that we're a republic.

Sorry... off topic.

[flyingimam]

This is just a pet peeve of mine but why do people always say "if we lived in a true democracy".

This would be ok to say if we our country and government was built on a system of democracy but fact is that we're a republic.

Sorry... off topic.

sorry that im continuing an off topic post, i really am but this is a very very very good point he made! till just about this moment, i had the wrong perception and upon some google hits, i figured daihashi is correct

Are we a republic or a democracy? (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42248)

and i quote


Chief Justice John Marshall observed, "Between a balanced republic and a democracy, the difference is like that between order and chaos."


The framers gave us a Constitution that is replete with undemocratic mechanisms. One that has come in for recent criticism and calls for its elimination is the Electoral College. In their wisdom, the framers gave us the Electoral College so that in presidential elections large, heavily populated states couldn't democratically run roughshod over small, sparsely populated states.

Here's my question: Do Americans share the republican values laid out by our founders, and is it simply a matter of our being unschooled about the differences between a republic and a democracy? Or is it a matter of preference and we now want the kind of tyranny feared by the founders where Congress can do anything it can muster a majority vote to do? I fear it's the latter.

Thank you for tippin me off about something that I was totally wrong about.

this is the wrong topic to discuss this, but now i have a ton of new questions and topics of debates that i must find partners and answers to!:D

like: Why in the world are we then exporting "democracy" (something we totally are not) by means of military (or any other means we use)?

Please DO NOT answer to this question here, i think i will add a thread later on if i feel like debating it around here. but this is just an example of what is goin on in my mind right now.

again I apologize to the OP for thread hijack and I have no intentions of making this subject go any further on this thread, count this post as a note in parenthesis!:D