Osama's Fannie and Freddie contributions..

[Rusty Trichome]

NEW YORK â?? Campaign contributions from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac made to Barack Obama may backfire if the Democratic presidential hopeful wages an aggressive campaign to cast blame on rival John McCain and the Republicans in Congress for the mortgage-related losses that forced the U.S. Treasury to take over the quasi-governmental mortgage giants.

A review of Federal Election Commission records back to 1989 reveals Obama in his three complete years in the Senate is the second largest recipient of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae campaign contributions, behind only Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., the powerful chairman of the Senate banking committee. Dodd was first elected to the Senate in 1980.

According to OpenSecrets.com, from 1989 to 2008, Dodd received $165,400 in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac campaign contributions, including contributions from PACs and individuals, followed by Obama, who received $126,349 in such contributions since being elected to the Senate in 2004.

In contrast, McCain warned of the coming mortgage crisis as he pressed in 2005 for regulatory reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

"For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac â?? known as government-sponsored entities or GSEs â?? and the sheer magnitude of these companies and the role they play in the housing market," McCain said on the floor of the Senate in 2005, speaking in favor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005.

McCain pointed out Fannie Mae's regulator had stated the company's quarterly reports of profit growth over the past few years were "illusions deliberately and systematically created" by the company's senior management, which resulted in a $10.6 billion accounting scandal.

The bill passed the House but was never brought up for a vote in the Senate, largely because of Democratic opposition to change in the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac regulatory structure that remained in place until the Treasury takeover two weeks ago.

As evidenced by the failure to pass the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, the Democrats in Congress have repeatedly fought back Republican Party efforts to reform the two mortgage banking giants.

Instead, Democrats in Congress have sought to preserve the quasi-governmental status of the mortgage giants, seeing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as places to locate former top Democratic Party operatives, where they have earned millions in compensation, despite a continuing series of financial scandals. Enron-like accounting manipulation, for example, boosted earnings to a level at which massive executive bonuses could be paid.

[B]In the aftermath of the U.S. government takeover, attention has focused on three Democrats with close ties to Obama who served as Fannie Mae executives: Franklin Raines, former Clinton administration budget director; James Johnson, former aide to Democratic Vice President Walter Mondale; and Jamie Gorelick, former Clinton administration deputy attorney general.

All three Obama-related executives earned millions in compensation from Fannie Mae.
Johnson earned $21 million in just his last year serving as Fannie Mae CEO from 1991 to 1998; Raines earned $90 million in his five years as Fannie Mae CEO, from 1999 to 2004; and Gorelick earned an estimated $26 million serving as vice chair of Fannie Mae from 1998 to 2003, according to author David Frum, a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute.

All three have been involved in mortgage-related financial scandals...

In 1998, according to the Washington Post, Gorelick, as Fannie Mae vice chairman, received a bonus of $779,625, despite a scandal in which employees falsified signatures on accounting transactions to manipulate books to meet 1998 earning targets. The moves, in turn, triggered multi-million-dollar bonuses for top executives.

Gorelick was embroiled in another controversy over an alleged conflict of interest when a 1995 memo she authored as deputy attorney general surfaced while she was a member of the 9/11 commission.

The memo, which became known as the "Gorelick Wall," appeared to establish barriers that barred federal anti-terrorist criminal investigators from accessing various federal records and databases that may have assisted them in their criminal investigations.

According to the Associated Press, Raines and several other Fannie Mae top executives were ordered in a civil lawsuit to pay nearly $31.4 million for manipulating Fannie Mae earnings over a period of six years to trigger their massive bonuses.

Raines was also forced in the settlement to give up Fannie Mae stock options valued at $15.6 million.

Last year, the Securities and Exchange Commission alleged Freddie Mac had engaged in accounting fraud from 2000 to 2002, imposing a $50 million fine on the company and on four executives fines for amounts ranging from $65,000 to $250,000.

Raines currently advises Obama on housing policy.

Johnson was appointed to head Obama's vice presidential selection committee, until a controversy concerning an alleged $7 millions in questionable real estate loans he received on favorable terms from failed sub-prime mortgage lender Countrywide Financial surfaced and forced him to step down.

WND previously reported a panel chaired by Elena Kagan, dean and professor of law at Harvard Law School, speculated at the June two-day meeting of the American Constitution Society that Gorelick was a possible attorney general cabinet appointment if Obama should be elected president.

The decision by the U.S. Treasury to take over Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae could end up costing the U.S. taxpayer as much as $100 billion, although the extent of losses at the two giant mortgage companies remains to be determined.

According to the Wall Street Journal, Freddie and Fannie own or guarantee about $5.2 trillion worth of mortgages.

The riskiest loans held by Freddie and Fannie are known as "Alt-A" and sub-prime mortgages, worth about $780 billion, or about 15 percent of the total portfolio.

The federal government takeover of Freddie and Fannie passes to U.S. taxpayers the contingent liability for failures in the entire $5.2 trillion loan portfolio held by the two mortgage giants.

Over the past four quarters, Freddie and Fannie have suffered losses of about $14 billion, as the mortgage market has been hit by a wave of defaults and foreclosures not seen in the U.S. since the 1930s.
Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac execs now offering advice to Obama (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=75586)

So tell me again how much of an "agent of change" this lying asshole, B. Hussein Obama is. He hs an ongoing problem with choosing those to surround himself with. Scum attracts scum, I guess.

[bobthenuker]

Obama?

[flyingimam]

I find this falling under category of insults. Its Obama u illiterate hater!

make fun, joke around with names, but Osama is not one of those names and im damn sure this aint a typo, i have seen a few idiots use this term around here which speaks to their rationales and worldviews

and btw it wont hurt if u could provide other reliable and less unbiased sources for the info u r spreadin around other than WND which is extremely conservative even more than FOXnews.

there have been numerous controversial publications associated with this source, check around b4 u so firmly back your lame claims up by the most conservative news site online!
WorldNetDaily - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorldNetDaily#Controversial_articles)


what u r claiming to be the truth here, is merely being discussed in more reliable media outlets as a question that has not yet received a confirmed answer

perhaps this tells a better story
Obama's Fannie Mae 'Connection' - Fact Checker (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/09/obamas_fannie_mae_connection.html)

Over n Out!:thumbsup:

[TheMetal1]

Alaska Gov. Sarah Stalin :rasta: See... everyone can do it. HOOOOOORAYYY for intolerance, prejudice, and pointless discrimination :hippy:

HIP HIP.... HOOOOORAYYYY :hippy:

[flyingimam]

didnt let me edit, gosh!



oh and also since when we use abbreviation for 1st name while focusing on middle name of some1... u see your weakness? thats weak!

thats a radio talk show host's mindset. come up with your own

exploiting something some1 has literally no control over until he wants to change his name which sounds stupid cuz no1 must have to change his name cuz other idiots have distorted perceptions and racist or extremely hateful mindsets.

does it kill u even if he was a muslim (which he obviously is not)?
that is also very disrespectful and only highlights the hatred for muslims around here despite what is being "said" in words that they live in peace as americans here and are decent citizens, it only underlines the hidden prejudice and hatred by certain type of people

[Rusty Trichome]

No respect will ever be shown from me with regards to barack hussein obama. Anyone that calls John McCain dishonorable, is worthy of no respect.

Not to mention "the Big O's" spotty voting record, his facist re-writing of american and civil history, his attempts to cover-up his own past (and present) indiscressions, his black reparationist affiliations, his terrorist buddies, his shady finance mentors. Just dying to hear who he'd fill his cabinet with.

So funny that y'all have problems with my little pet names for Osama...yet the bulk of the "media" bashes the republican nominees with lies, slander, misquotes, mis-stated records, and analy abusive declarations (of someone they have never met) and y'all eat it up without exception..." And all that talk of John not being an 'agent of change'...hillarious.

But hey...don't bother to look too close to the issues...it's a complicated subject, that requires one to think for themselves. (and obviously irrelevant) Were I being spoon-fed bullshit, I'd be pretty fucking pissed finding out the truth. Time will tell, tho.

Fucking double standards. :jointsmile:

(anyone care to comment on the OP, tho?)

[dragonrider]

Rusty loves calling Obama "Osama," but you see how it works against him. He goes through the trouble to start a thread about a legitimate topic, but by starting off with this infantile name calling, he makes it so no one even bothers to give his issue any credibility. He's never understood how immature it makes him look. Why bother to read anything by someone who can't get past the first-grade name calling?

[daihashi]

Everyone needs to STFU..

Are you in bed with Obama. How are YOU insulted. Yes it is a cheap shot at Obama.. Yes I think it is stupid.. yes I think that it is tactless..


but honestly stop getting your damn panties in a wad. People have been talking crap about McCain forever.. as they have been doing so about Obama.

I don't particularly agree with Rusty's jokingly changing Obama's name to say Osama but I don't find it insulting. Were you insulted when John Oliver on the Daily Show did the exact same thing at the DNC... chanting "Osama.. Osama.. Osama". I bet you didn't.

So everyone have a nice cup of STFU... all things aside the article is very informative. Let's focus on that instead.

[allrollsin21]

agreed, i stopped at the first line. I'll get my news from a more reliably adult source...:thumbsup:

[daihashi]

Rusty loves calling Obama "Osama," but you see how it works against him. He goes through the trouble to start a thread about a legitimate topic, but by starting off with this infantile name calling, he makes it so no one even bothers to give his issue any credibility. He's never understood how immature it makes him look. Why bother to read anything by someone who can't get past the first-grade name calling?

To be fair.. I think it worked for him.

If Rusty was looking to get a rise out of people who support Obama it seems to have worked. Everyone is falling over each other to defend their champions honor.

To be honest I find that equally stupid as I do the name calling.

Both sides GET OVER IT! You are not having his baby... and on the flip side He cannot control what his first, middle or last name that was given to him.

[TheMetal1]

I think nobody is commenting on the story... regardless of beliefs... because most people are sick to death of arguing about every story as soon as it comes out of the Spin Cycle. All this he said, she said shit is rediculous.

So, one or two calls were made... by someone supporting the Obama campaign... to ask about general economic questions? Wow... I can see the devil horns poking out right now. :jointsmile:

How about G.H.W.Bush meeting with Shafiq bin Laden on 9/10? Or how about the famous video of Rumsfeld shaking hands with fucking SADAAM. You know... the "Hussein," that actually did all sorts of horrific and sadistic shit to hundreds of thousands of people.

Politicians, the world over, will have connections to some unsavory characters. I guess my point being... we always pretend like we care that our leaders deal with some fucked up assholes on a daily basis. In reality... we just argue about how awful it is until some new connection is made with some OTHER politician.... and move on.

If it REALLY mattered who people in government know... talk to... have "friendly" relationships (which is political talk for, "I don't want to alienate voters by saying I hate that guy) then we would still be constantly questioning the ties people in our CURRENT leadership have with the Middle East.

But we DON'T...... :wtf:

Edit: Again... I always have to say that I don't know who I'm voting for. It is easy to claim that someone questioning a story about Obama, it means they are worshipping him or want to have his baby or something like that :wtf: It's just getting exhausting with the finger pointing. It seems like everybody is just searching for that skeleton in the closet that will blow the election wide open.

- if that's how they do things... I can NEVER run for President. Hahaha

[daihashi]

If it REALLY mattered who people in government know... talk to... have "friendly" relationships (which is political talk for, "I don't want to alienate voters by saying I hate that guy) then we would still be constantly questioning the ties people in our CURRENT leadership have with the Middle East.

But we DON'T...... :wtf:

I don't.. I've understood some of the things the bush administration has done, but most things I have refused to give them a free pass on. I think all things considered they did what they felt was right, but exploited the hell out of the situation.

I do advocate staying in Iraq, simply because I feel if we don't then we would've wasted fuck tons of money, lives, and resources for nothing... but it does not mean that I agree with the reasons which we went over.

Bush get's no free pass from me but I don't think he's the devil.

Same way I don't think Obama is the devil even though I don't particularly care for his politics. :hippy:

[dragonrider]

To be fair.. I think it worked for him.

If Rusty was looking to get a rise out of people who support Obama it seems to have worked. Everyone is falling over each other to defend their champions honor.

To be honest I find that equally stupid as I do the name calling.

Both sides GET OVER IT! You are not having his baby... and on the flip side He cannot control what his first, middle or last name that was given to him.

If his goal was to troll a reaction, then it worked. You are probalby right --- it was a troll. But if he wanted people to comment on his post, then it didn't work. We've got a dozen posts and none on the topic. It's a valid topic, but I don't feel any compelling reason to dignify this thread with a real response.

[Rusty Trichome]

I think nobody is commenting on the story... regardless of beliefs... because most people are sick to death of arguing about every story as soon as it comes out of the Spin Cycle. All this he said, she said shit is rediculous.
Gee...where do we go to talk politics, then?
But seriously...I can see where attempting to defend a contemptuous campaign gets old after a while. :thumbsup:

So, one or two calls were made... by someone supporting the Obama campaign... to ask about general economic questions?

So you consider "close Ties" to the obama campaign, a couple of phone calls by 'surrogates'? Even using that, the folks called are the ones responsible for taking lending past the point of legality, while gaining multi-million dollar "golden parachutes".
Again...obama's associations are sinking his ship. I wonder if Rezco knew Franklin Raines, James Johnson, and Jamie Gorelick, too? (all googlable) All involved with regulation and legislation (and it's inherant subtrufuge) of the banking/lending institutions that just needed nearly a trillion dollars of "loans" and bail-outs from us taxpayers.

Regarding the "childish" name calling...You ought to read some of the immature bullshit I read in here all day, being passed-on as fact. I'm just joining in the fun. ;)

[daihashi]

If his goal was to troll a reaction, then it worked. You are probalby right --- it was a troll. But if he wanted people to comment on his post, then it didn't work. We've got a dozen posts and none on the topic. It's a valid topic, but I don't feel any compelling reason to dignify this thread with a real response.

Then you are also not dignifying yourself. People jumping and reaching to defend a person's name is just ridiculous. This isn't elementary school.

You just fed fuel to the fire by playing into his hand.

This post of yours doesn't justify you or him or anyone else in this thread that got pissy over things that don't even matter. I honestly did not expect you to even respond to my post as a means to psuedo defend yourself/slam him. You are usually better than that.

The reason no one is commenting on this thread is because you and others are too hung up on the fact that he said "Osama".

Like I said earlier, get over it. The only people who are stopping this thread from moving forward and talk about a topic that probably deserves being discussed are you (I am using 'you' here as a general you.. not specifically you).

[dragonrider]

You just fed fuel to the fire by playing into his hand.

Yes, I am going to stop fanning the flames and leave this thread to YOU (the general you, not the specific you) and the troll (the specific troll) to discuss the issue (whichever issue you want, name-calling, AIG bailout, whatever).

[Psycho4Bud]

John McCain is nearly 100% carbon copy of *hitler*cough* excuse me, George BushEither!

NOBODY from the left wing in here made any statement regarding this but has the notion that a name change for Obama is a sin? GET REAL!!!

IF you people want, I'll moderate this place in a fashion where changing names or making rediculous comments about political figures is prohibited. My e-mail is in my signature and the poll is now open. UNTIL I have feedback on this issue, live with it.

Also keep in mind that in the same manner that the above post had "freedom of speech", so does everyone else in here and personal attacks on a member for exercising this IS against the guidelines!!!

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[rebgirl420]

Everyone needs to STFU..

Are you in bed with Obama. How are YOU insulted. Yes it is a cheap shot at Obama.. Yes I think it is stupid.. yes I think that it is tactless..


but honestly stop getting your damn panties in a wad. People have been talking crap about McCain forever.. as they have been doing so about Obama.

I don't particularly agree with Rusty's jokingly changing Obama's name to say Osama but I don't find it insulting. Were you insulted when John Oliver on the Daily Show did the exact same thing at the DNC... chanting "Osama.. Osama.. Osama". I bet you didn't.

So everyone have a nice cup of STFU... all things aside the article is very informative. Let's focus on that instead.

Hahaha...

Anyway, about the issue at hand. Obama was ranked second for taking money from all these corrupt companies. McCain was very, very low on the list.

However really I feel that the government should have never bailed ANY of these companies out. And these greedy CEO's should be hanged. All of these greedy politicians in Washington are to blame. And whats worse is that it's EVERY freaking side. Not just left or right, BOTH. And now they are all scrambling to pull it together.

Also, I am sick and tired of the media calling this a crisis and the next depression, it isn't even a freaking recession yet! This speculation is whats going to hurt us all the most.

It's not just the U.S. either, it's hitting the whole world. Neither Obama or McCain is going to fix this bullshit. All they will do is slap a band-aid over this and hope it holds until 4-8 years. What they are doing now is making it seems like they have the answers and that they will be the ones to make a stand and fix Washington, well guess what? That is some major bullshit. It's all a big show, they will do and say anything and make "plans" that will do nothing.

We need to demand smaller government and demand that the government NOT use our hard earned dollars to fix a problem THEY freaking started.


(Oh and when I read Daihashi's post I thought of this pic)

[daihashi]

Hahaha...

Anyway, about the issue at hand. Obama was ranked second for taking money from all these corrupt companies. McCain was very, very low on the list.

However really I feel that the government should have never bailed ANY of these companies out. And these greedy CEO's should be hanged. All of these greedy politicians in Washington are to blame. And whats worse is that it's EVERY freaking side. Not just left or right, BOTH. And now they are all scrambling to pull it together.

Also, I am sick and tired of the media calling this a crisis and the next depression, it isn't even a freaking recession yet! This speculation is whats going to hurt us all the most.

It's not just the U.S. either, it's hitting the whole world. Neither Obama or McCain is going to fix this bullshit. All they will do is slap a band-aid over this and hope it holds until 4-8 years. What they are doing now is making it seems like they have the answers and that they will be the ones to make a stand and fix Washington, well guess what? That is some major bullshit. It's all a big show, they will do and say anything and make "plans" that will do nothing.

We need to demand smaller government and demand that the government NOT use our hard earned dollars to fix a problem THEY freaking started.


(Oh and when I read Daihashi's post I thought of this pic)

Couldn't have agreed more; however I do see the need for these companies to get bailed out. If their business was not so intertwined with the rest of the economy I would say let them drown. We need to start working towards downsizing our government and put back what the government was meant to do..... GOVERN.. not manage private entities.

This is a fairly sensitive issue because honestly you can't make a move one way or the other without having to get your hands dirty.



PS: I was thinking of that same image when I typed that up :hippy:

[rebgirl420]

That is a very valid point. These company's tentacles stretch out world wide but either way people are going to get fucked.

So now the question is, how would you like to take it? I prefer doggystyle haha.

[DaBudhaStank]

Ah, sweet, sweet American politics. When there's nothing on the TV, the politics forum makes for some great reads.

Please boys and girls, don't feed the trolls. It just makes them more hungry for despair.

[daihashi]

I prefer doggystyle haha.

I'll keep that in mind!! lol j/k...

tell your boyfriend to not beat me up please.. lol :hippy:


but yes.. corporations like AIG, Freddie and Fannie are blissing our anuses daily. I for one don't like my anus being blissed :stoned:

[rebgirl420]

Thank god that in these hard economic times we have Mr.Greenspan to clear things up for us. ;)

[DaBudhaStank]

Thank god that in these hard economic times we have Mr.Greenspan to clear things up for us. ;)

Quick Mr. Greenspan, the recession is almost up on us! Use your l337 skills!



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/TopNach/hadouken-1.png

Curses....I cant figure out this picture-posting shenanigans....

[rebgirl420]

HAHAHAHAHAH god DaBudha, you crack me up

[DaBudhaStank]

HAHAHAHAHAH god DaBudha, you crack me up

Lol well I certainly try.

DOWN, DOWN-RIGHT, RIGHT, A

HADOUUUUKENNNNNNN!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B0Fjnl2RpE&feature=related

EDIT: Wow, took waaaaaay too long to find a real hadouken.

[DaBudhaStank]

I've always been a fan of this more though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFtw7qW7Vcw

[eg420ne]

Has this been posted sumwhere already? John McCain :thumbsup:

McCain campaign manager Rick Davis paid several hundred thousand dollars to lobby for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac against federal regulation

McCain campaign manager Rick Davis paid several hundred thousand dollars to lobby for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac against federal regulation (http://www.americablog.com/2008/09/mccain-campaign-manager-rick-davis-paid.html)
To The Editor:

Yesterday, Senator John McCain released a television commercial attacking Barack Obama for allegedly receiving advice on the economy from former Fannie Mae CEO Franklin Raines. From the stump, he has recently tried tying Senator Obama to Fannie Mae, as if there is some guilt in the association with Fannie Mae's former executives.

It is an interesting card for Senator McCain to play, given that his campaign manager, Rick Davis, was paid by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac several hundred thousand dollars early in this decade to head up an organization to lobby in their behalf called The Homeownership Alliance. ...

I worked in government relations for Fannie Mae for more than 20 years, leading the group for most of those years. When I see photographs of Sen. McCain's staff, it looks to me like the team of lobbyists who used to report to me. Senator McCain's attack on Senator Obama is a cheap shot, and hypocritical.

Sincerely,

William Maloni
Fannie Mae Senior Vice President for Government and Industry Relations (1983-2004)

[Rusty Trichome]

Too funny. One financial genius sticking it to another. Sooo unexpected, considdering Maloni (the letters's author) has contributed quite handsomely to the entire democratic party over the years. What would you expect?

However, the above post compares apples with oranges. Coming at an issue from two different directions, for two entirely different motives. One was for improving financial conditions for home buyers, one was for fucking the american homeowner.

McCain was in the belief that less regulation is good for competition and thusly capitalism. Lobbyists are folks that go around the capitol, and pound various government officials into agreeing as to why the lobbyists ideas are valid, and that whatever legislation the lobbyist are paid to advance, are successful. McCain would have been right, if not for shady deals and back-room agreements between the financial CEO's.

But, the lending institutions CEO's hire lobbyists to push legislation making it possible to cook their books, under-report gains (that go into the CEO's pockets) and manipulate among other things...the housing prices and the stock market. (which are both credit-based industries)

Are you really saying that since McCain is using a lobbyist, that this trumps obamas 'change' politics?
obama's the good guy for cozying-up to the failed finance industry's three blind mice? Going to have to do better than that, or would you just prefer to do as Franklin Delano Raines did before congress...and plead the fifth...? (still his right, but it was our money he was pleading the fifth on)

[PlainJane]

Aside from my thinking that this thread is a huge load of waffle I just can't believe there are republican potheads! Whoddathunkit?

[DaBudhaStank]

Aside from my thinking that this thread is a huge load of waffle I just can't believe there are republican potheads! Whoddathunkit?

I've pondered that myself a few times.

[daihashi]

I've pondered that myself a few times.

I think the problem comes is that people compare people who believe in the republican philosophy to the republicans you see in power today. They have strayed very far from what they once stood for; here is an outline of the republican philosophy:

The Republican Philosophy


We believe .......



THAT the right of the individual to achieve the best that is within him, as long as he respects the rights of others, is the source of our Nation's strength.

THAT government exists to protect the freedom of opportunity in which each individual's creative ability can flourish.

THAT the government activities should be limited to those things which people cannot do at all, or cannot do so well for themselves.

THAT the most effective government is government closest to the people.

THAT those who cannot provide for themselves should be assisted by both government and society, but that every effort should be made to help them become self-supporting, productive citizens with pride in the independence.

THAT equal rights, equal justice and equal opportunity belong to all, regardless of race, creed, age, sex or national origin.

THAT the preservation of our Nation and the security of our citizens depend upon the Constitution, the laws, and the courts, and that respect for them is the responsibility of every individual.

THAT government is accountable for maintaining sound money and a responsible economy. Individual rights, liberties and properties are continually eroded when citizens are oppressed by excessive taxation, inflation, government waste and over-regulation.

THAT government is responsible for national defense and that only a strong American can remain a free America.

THAT it is absolutely essential to maintain a strong national defense posture in order that we may at all times negotiate from a position of strength, not weakness, in our continuing efforts toward world peace and friendship.

THAT these concepts are the foundation of our national strength and that the REPUBLICAN PARTY, which is committed to their preservation, is the party of today and the PARTY FOR THE FUTURE.


Is it so hard to believe now that a pot head would be a republican; true to the philosophy which the party once stood for?

I don't think so.

[rebgirl420]

Daihashi, your speaking to a lost cause.

They don't care to learn what a real Republican is. Republican to them is the "main" candidates (Bush, McCain, etc.). And if we are gonna play THAT game we should say that all Democrats are Teddy Kennedy, Pelosi and Jimmy Carter.

Of course thats absurd but you could speak till you are blue in the face. No one cares to learn.

[daihashi]

Daihashi, your speaking to a lost cause.

They don't care to learn what a real Republican is. Republican to them is the "main" candidates (Bush, McCain, etc.). And if we are gonna play THAT game we should say that all Democrats are Teddy Kennedy, Pelosi and Jimmy Carter.

Of course thats absurd but you could speak till you are blue in the face. No one cares to learn.

What bugs me is that even Bush and McCain still retain parts of what the republican party used to mean. It's just that everyone wants something from the government without doing anything in return. When they don't get their way they throw a tantrum cursing republicans for not giving them a free ticket. Fact of the matter is that republicans tend to believe that you are capable and have the ability to provide for yourself. I see nothing wrong with that philosophy as it is applicable to the majority of people in this country; and the few it's not applicable to... republicans do believe in helping those folks out.

It's just beyond me how people can trash Republicans without even truely knowing what they stand for.

Bleh!

[TheMetal1]

Holy WHAAAAAAA?

I'm a Republican? :wtf:
(jumps off cliff)

Hahahahaha just kidding :hippy:

So... basically, most of the Republicans in government are a bunch of tube socks filled with bison shit?

I can't believe CannCom is learnin' me fancy guverrmint stuff... :rasta:

P.S. I have never attached a label to myself, so regardless of beliefs... I will never consider myself Republican or Democrat. I am philosophically against labels. Just wanted to explain...

[rebgirl420]

Well I can't say I blame the Democrats for disliking the current Republicans. They weren't really Republicans at all anyway. Just regular crappy politicians.

However what irks me is that they often fail to realize that their party is JUST as bad.

[eg420ne]

Im sorry but the Bush Regime totally trashed the Republican party, You can say all that good stuff about how the republican party was(believe me i know die-hard republicans that are voting democratic this November)..
Oh the time that was!

[rebgirl420]

^ And this is what I mean.

Shit on the Republicans all you want but realize that the Democrats are JUST as bad.

This is so one sided. Fucking hoopla I tell you, FUCKING HOOPLA.

[eg420ne]

OH I KNOW THEY ARE JUST AS BAD............Republicans driving the bus off the bridge to nowhere @ 150mph and democraps want to drive it off @ 85mph....

[daihashi]

^ And this is what I mean.

Shit on the Republicans all you want but realize that the Democrats are JUST as bad.

This is so one sided. Fucking hoopla I tell you, FUCKING HOOPLA.

You're right.. wtf was I thinking. My words have fallen on deaf ears. Figures.. damn pot heads :hippy:

[eg420ne]

Say what? i couldnt hear due to the on-going mess in america brought to you by the republicans who have had more then 10yrs to do the right thing...

[rebgirl420]

Yes, yes.

It was alllll the Republicans fault. I guess the Democrats were just a babe in the woods.

[TheMetal1]

Just re-read my post... looks sarcastic :jointsmile:

I really did find almost 100% agreement with your list of true Republican beliefs. Sometimes politics gets soo mixed up... you start to clump everyone together with their respective party.
Republican does not equal Bush... bottom line. Anyone who claims that would, by default, also be saying that all Arabs are bad because of Middle Eastern terrorist groups.

Ignorant... small minded... and unfair :wtf:

So Dai and Reb... I hear ya :stoned:

[daihashi]

Say what? i couldnt hear due to the on-going mess in america brought to you by the republicans who have had more then 10yrs to do the right thing...

What did democrats due during the Clinton or Carter administration to prove they could do it right?

Also you realize that Clinton was not responsible for the economic prosperity that occured while he was in office. He was in the right place at the right time. You could've put friggin Dan Quayle in office and he would've looked good.

In addition please tell me how Democrats would do it better.. they've had 5 years to try to fix things in the senate; but instead they are whining and throwing temper tantrum. Basically saying "my way or I'm going to take my ball home and no one can play".

You have the problem that many people on here have.. you refuse to acknowledge the damage done by both sides. Instead it's so much easier for you to label people without any concrete evidence to support your claims.

No offense but I see why I don't see you in the politics forum and why you're in the conspiracy forum.

Please source your information and site how a Democrat would have done it better. :hippy:

I'll be impressed if you can site one example. Remember, individual freedoms.. not socialized freedoms.

[eg420ne]

Yes, yes.

It was alllll the Republicans fault. I guess the Democrats were just a babe in the woods.well i guess since the republicans have had the ruling with them you know, they held Congress back in the 90s and on into 2006 and the president from 2001 to who knows when........yup blame it on the demos hahahahaha

[eg420ne]

What did democrats due during the Clinton or Carter administration to prove they could do it right?

Also you realize that Clinton was not responsible for the economic prosperity that occured while he was in office. He was in the right place at the right time. You could've put friggin Dan Quayle in office and he would've looked good.

In addition please tell me how Democrats would do it better.. they've had 5 years to try to fix things in the senate; but instead they are whining and throwing temper tantrum. Basically saying "my way or I'm going to take my ball home and no one can play".

You have the problem that many people on here have.. you refuse to acknowledge the damage done by both sides. Instead it's so much easier for you to label people without any concrete evidence to support your claims.

No offense but I see why I don't see you in the politics forum and why you're in the conspiracy forum.

Please source your information and site how a Democrat would have done it better. :hippy:

I'll be impressed if you can site one example. Remember, individual freedoms.. not socialized freedoms.
Hey if you can get the Bush Regime to let a investigation to grow and not stop it then maybe the demos could of done something they have somewhat control of CONgress back in 2006 that not alot of time and like i said you cant get the BUSH REGIME to sit down...

[rebgirl420]

Hey, Bush came into the presidency with a shit load of issues and problems brought on by Billy Clinton.

If Clinton would have manned up 9/11 might not have happened. Oh wait, I forgot you believe that 9/11 was this HUGE conspiracy. My bad.

[eg420ne]

No offense but I see why I don't see you in the politics forum and why you're in the conspiracy forum.

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WoW! thats a good comeback....:yeahright:

[daihashi]

well i guess since the republicans have had the ruling with them you know, they held Congress back in the 90s and on into 2006 and the president from 2001 to who knows when........yup blame it on the demos hahahahaha

Your ignorance and hiding behind lack of information astounds me.

I could easily throw out some empty remarks too..


Clinton was responsible for 9/11.. he had bin laden but refused to take him into custody.

Clinton was responsible for not stopping Jimmy Carter going out on his own and basically handing nuclear capabilities to North Korea..

Clinton urged people not to over react to the WTC bombing in 1993. For the longest time he would not even recognize the bombings.

Oh wait.. those are statements with actual evidence that can be sourced.

Here's an article with more mishaps of Clinton and his lack of foreign policy that DIRECTLY effects us today

Washington Times - Bill Clinton's failure on terrorism (http://www.washtimes.com/news/2003/sep/01/20030901-102359-9067r/)

I have plenty of ACTUAL sources.. not conspiracies if you wish to see them. :hippy:

[eg420ne]

Hey, Bush came into the presidency with a shit load of issues and problems brought on by Billy Clinton.

If Clinton would have manned up 9/11 might not have happened. Oh wait, I forgot you believe that 9/11 was this HUGE conspiracy. My bad.
Say what Clinton brought them guys that pulled off the first attack to justice what are you blaming on the clintons now isnt cause of his big penis

[daihashi]

WoW! thats a good comeback....:yeahright:

You're a waste of my time. You've had opportunity to actually prove your point and source how the republicans are so evil yet you fail to do so. I have better things to do with my time than to deal with someone who is a political racist.

Have fun hanging those republicans on your cross. :thumbsup:

[eg420ne]

Hey reb girl and d your house is on fire better go check it out...what a mess this d person gonna tell me how it is ...WoW!

[eg420ne]

You're a waste of my time. You've had opportunity to actually prove your point and source how the republicans are so evil yet you fail to do so. I have better things to do with my time than to deal with someone who is a political racist.

Have fun hanging those republicans on your cross. :thumbsup:

Your a waste of my time! oh by the way Why did the BushRegime Hindered the 9-11 investigation....

[daihashi]

Say what Clinton brought them guys that pulled off the first attack to justice what are you blaming on the clintons now isnt cause of his big penis

No idiot.. Clinton had several times to capture Bin Laden and refused to take him each time.

Clinton Let Bin Laden Slip Away and Metastasize (http://www.infowars.com/saved%20pages/Prior_Knowledge/Clinton_let_bin_laden.htm)

It's not like he had just one chance that slipped away. The article is from the LA times.. infowars just has it cached.

[Rusty Trichome]

That's all fine and good, but I'm a republican because at present...the alternaitve sucks. :thumbsup:

For too long, the dems have used class warfare. Pitting race against race, gender against gender, white collar versus blue collar...all the while accusing the conservatives of being responsible for the split.

What changes do the libs make when the americans fall for the rhetoric? What changes do they make for the 'downtrodden'? Not one damn thing, except for raised taxes, jobs being shipped out of the US, weakened defense and intelligence, and a 'world order' sence of governance. To hear the dems speak...the needs of the world far outweigh the need to serve the people they are elected to serve.

Does the liberal doctrine encourage rebellion against mediocracy? Does it take the poor blacks, hispanics and whites out of the ghetto, and offer them the opportunity to advance themselves as individuals? Do they attempt to espouse self-accountability? No, they have the NAACP or ACLU bail them out with a reprimand not to commit robery anymore, (altho they totally understand why this poor thief would turn to such behavior) and they determine that my tax dollars are better spent on covering an illegal aliens health and education issues, than assisting my wife in need of cancer treatment and financial assistance. They believe that my 10 year old child really needs to be taught that god is a farce, gay is cool, and republicans are all evil. Sorry, but I now contribute to home schooling.

I don't give a shit what party is responsible for past indescressions, but at present, one party stands head and shoulders above the rest. One party has the morals and vision, the understanding and wisdom not to attempt to change the constitution to reflect their views of the need to become a progressively socialst nanny state with no no considderation about the consequences.

One party isn't up in Alaska frantically searching for a way to demonize the others VP candidate, when they cant even get their own message straight, and tell us intimatelly of their plans. One party still refuses to list campaign employees. One party has determined that a black reparationist with no governing experience, is the best friggin choice to lead not only their party, but the nation. That's just fucking incredible and irresponsible.

Regardless of what you feel now, or how you are going to vote...do yourself a great big favor. Think for yourself. Because I truly feel...the folks you presently rely on have an extremely shitty track record as far as honesty, integrity, american values. You really want change...? Learn to question the authority, that tells you to question authority. (it really pisses them off)

[rebgirl420]

Say what Clinton brought them guys that pulled off the first attack to justice what are you blaming on the clintons now isnt cause of his big penis

Well I suppose we can all agree on one thing: how big Bill's dick was..

Especially when you consider how bad he fucked us :thumbsup:

[eg420ne]

No idiot.. Clinton had several times to capture Bin Laden and refused to take him each time.

Clinton Let Bin Laden Slip Away and Metastasize (http://www.infowars.com/saved%20pages/Prior_Knowledge/Clinton_let_bin_laden.htm)

It's not like he had just one chance that slipped away. The article is from the LA times.. infowars just has it cached.

LoL your funny :thumbsup:

[daihashi]

Your a waste of my time! oh by the way Why did the BushRegime Hindered the 9-11 investigation....

Are you just trolling for a fight. This is your 5-6th post on this thread with obviously no intention of having an intelligent discussion; you're only interested in berating a party.

I'm sorry you feel that my posts that contain actual information along with sources are a waste of your time.

Also I'm sorry you refuse to answer my question. I anticipate this thread being cleaned up; it's just a shame that you can't spare 5 minutes to source your argument. I have to say even a number of people in the politics forum who support Democrats would look down on your posts.

Majority of people in this forum actually put effort into their posts and honestly what you're doing is disrespectful to many people in here.

Freedom of speech I guess.. just like I have freedom not to listen. I'm out of here. Thanks for ruining a thread that was starting to turn into a real discussion.

[eg420ne]

Well I suppose we can all agree on one thing: how big Bill's dick was..

Especially when you consider how bad he fucked us :thumbsup:

True i dont disagree with you reb im just saying and this new person daihashi just is an ass, calling me an idiot and what not, im a nice fukin dude....

[TheMetal1]

Oh wait, I forgot you believe that 9/11 was this HUGE conspiracy.

With all due respect, because I feel a need to defend my fellow conspiracy hunter :stoned:... 9/11 WAS a conspiracy. Probably the most intensely executed conspiracy this country has seen in decades

Conspiracy:
- a secret agreement between two or more people to perform an unlawful act.
- a plot to carry out some harmful or illegal act (especially a political plot)
- a group of conspirators banded together to achieve some harmful or illegal purpose

Sure... his view on this conspiracy may be different from your own, but it is unfair to make him seem ignorant because of that. Given the actual definition of "conspiracy," eg420one is 100% correct.

I just get worked up when people are labled a nut once the word CONSPIRACY is involved. Things are only a conspiracy until ALL information is discovered and the guilty parties are held accountable, hence the emphasis on SECRET agreement. Unfortunately for eg420one... this process has been halted in many ways and nobody has been held accountable, thus making his theory a conspiracy theory.

I just want to be fair to eg420one, because I know how it feels to have your beliefs discredited, solely because they are considered "far-fetched." 9/11 WAS a conspiracy... end of story.

In my opinion, you have more of a chance of verifying or discrediting information regarding a conspiracy... than you would in the Religion section. I don't think it is fair to judge someone based on what forums they frequent. Just because someone doesn't post in the grow forum, doesn't mean they don't pump out the sticky icky every month. Nahh mean?

[rebgirl420]

Well, we can all agree to disagree. That's what makes these boards great.

I think one thing we can really all agree on is that we do need to fix the system. And that all parties have the oppurtunity to betray our trust.

[daihashi]

True i dont disagree with you reb im just saying and this new person daihashi just is an ass, calling me an idiot and what not, im a nice fukin dude....

New person? Ass? You come in here condescending an entire party.. refuse to state why you feel so.. refuse to source any information.. completely disregard any type of interaction I have with you to generate a real discussion and you call me an ass? And ignore any rebuttals I have to your responses and laugh it off like a jerk and you call me an ass?

WTFever. Have a great day. :hippy:

[eg420ne]

With all due respect, because I feel a need to defend my fellow conspiracy hunter :stoned:... 9/11 WAS a conspiracy. Probably the most intensely executed conspiracy this country has seen in decades

Conspiracy:
- a secret agreement between two or more people to perform an unlawful act.
- a plot to carry out some harmful or illegal act (especially a political plot)
- a group of conspirators banded together to achieve some harmful or illegal purpose

Sure... his view on this conspiracy may be different from your own, but it is unfair to make him seem ignorant because of that. Given the actual definition of "conspiracy," eg420one is 100% correct.

I just get worked up when people are labled a nut once the word CONSPIRACY is involved. Things are only a conspiracy until ALL information is discovered and the guilty parties are held accountable, hence the emphasis on SECRET agreement. Unfortunately for eg420one... this process has been halted in many ways and nobody has been held accountable, thus making his theory a conspiracy theory.

I just want to be fair to eg420one, because I know how it feels to have your beliefs discredited, solely because they are considered "far-fetched." 9/11 WAS a conspiracy... end of story.

In my opinion, you have more of a chance of verifying or discrediting information regarding a conspiracy... than you would in the Religion section. I don't think it is fair to judge someone based on what forums they frequent. Just because someone doesn't post in the grow forum, doesn't mean they don't pump out the sticky icky every month. Nahh mean?Thanks...im just here to post and have fun not to be called names and such i know its not much a pothead can do over the internet about the way of the World....

[rebgirl420]

P4B is not going to be pleased with all of this name calling.

[eg420ne]

New person? Ass? You come in here condescending an entire party.. refuse to state why you feel so.. refuse to source any information.. completely disregard any type of interaction I have with you to generate a real discussion and you call me an ass? And ignore any rebuttals I have to your responses and laugh it off like a jerk and you call me an ass?

WTFever. Have a great day. :hippy:
You have a freaking good day yourself...:thumbsup:

[daihashi]

With all due respect, because I feel a need to defend my fellow conspiracy hunter :stoned:... 9/11 WAS a conspiracy. Probably the most intensely executed conspiracy this country has seen in decades

Conspiracy:
- a secret agreement between two or more people to perform an unlawful act.
- a plot to carry out some harmful or illegal act (especially a political plot)
- a group of conspirators banded together to achieve some harmful or illegal purpose

Sure... his view on this conspiracy may be different from your own, but it is unfair to make him seem ignorant because of that. Given the actual definition of "conspiracy," eg420one is 100% correct.

I just get worked up when people are labled a nut once the word CONSPIRACY is involved. Things are only a conspiracy until ALL information is discovered and the guilty parties are held accountable, hence the emphasis on SECRET agreement. Unfortunately for eg420one... this process has been halted in many ways and nobody has been held accountable, thus making his theory a conspiracy theory.

I just want to be fair to eg420one, because I know how it feels to have your beliefs discredited, solely because they are considered "far-fetched." 9/11 WAS a conspiracy... end of story.

In my opinion, you have more of a chance of verifying or discrediting information regarding a conspiracy... than you would in the Religion section. I don't think it is fair to judge someone based on what forums they frequent. Just because someone doesn't post in the grow forum, doesn't mean they don't pump out the sticky icky every month. Nahh mean?

The fact is that there is no evidence otherwise to prove that his conspiracy is true. Therefore there is no point in discussing it in THE POLITICS FORUM.

We have a conspiracy forum for that. Secondly I didn't care that he is a conspiracy theorist.. what really irritates me is that he is trying to point a finger as if he's right.. ignore the other side that's causing the problem.. laugh me off as if I'm stupid and then refuse to actually discuss the topic at hand.

Defend him all you want. I could care less for the empty statements this guy spouts.

[eg420ne]

Hahaha just put me on Ignore daihashi youll feel better

[rebgirl420]

Guys, I value both of your inputs.

Knock it off before you guys get banned or in trouble.

[Psycho4Bud]

P4B is not going to be pleased with all of this name calling.

The bullshit stops here and now. This is how it flys in here:
1) Verbal warning which has been given to ALL in the last two days
2) Infractional warning which will come VERY soon when I'm done posting here
3) Infraction which can result in a ban which will also come

IF you can't post without insults...don't bother!:mad:

THIS ONE IS CLOSED.....:mad:

Have a good one!:jointsmile: