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8182KSKUSH
09-14-2008, 08:03 AM
I suspect this is just the beginning in Colorado. Just wait until the DEA starts raiding the dispensaries.
It's exactly these situations that make it obvious to me that MMJ Laws cause more harm than good. And the best answer is obviously full decriminalization, this would eliminate the "gray area" as well as provide people that need cannabis for medicinal value a much safer environment to obtain their medicine in as well as lowering the cost for them.:thumbsup: Apparently the good folks in Colorado didn't learn anything from the example in California. So here we go again, going down the same road that is already so well traveled by so many before, when will this end?:(
Just my 2 cents.

Marijuana, a growing battle

Medical marijuana can be used, distributed, but cultivators face jail
By Jason Blevins
The Denver Post

HUERFANO COUNTY â?? Mike Stetler is proud of his garden. It took him months to get the lush jungle just right.
"Beautiful, isn't it?" he said.
A decade ago, the labor of planting would have been impossible for Stetler. Strung out on Demerol, OxyContin, morphine and oxycodone, the pain-addled Navy veteran was, he says, "a slobbering zombie, stupid and living in la-la land."
Since 2002, though, when he started growing and smoking the medicinal marijuana he now tends so carefully, he hasn't touched a pill.
"The pain isn't all the way gone, but I can live again. I can get out of bed. The sun is shining on me again," he said. "See what God does? He gives us something beautiful to use. This healing herb. And what happens?"
What happened is sheriff's deputies landed a helicopter on his land, broke open two padlocked gates and ransacked his trailer, ripping a gaping hole in the roof. They seized 44 marijuana plants and more than eight state-issued medical-marijuana cards that indicate other medical-marijuana patients have told the state he is their designated caregiver. They left a search warrant hanging over Stetler's medical-marijuana sign.
Almost eight years after Colorado voters approved Amendment 20, engraving in the Colorado Constitution the lawful use of doctor-recommended medical marijuana for those "suffering from debilitating medical conditions," police and prosecutors zealously pursue medical-marijuana growers like Stetler, citing everything from the fact that they just don't like the law to concerns about public safety and confusion over what the law allows.
The law is "overly broad," "a work in progress," "vague" and "a mistake," according to cops and prosecutors along the Front Range, home to more than three-quarters of the state's 3,302 residents enrolled in the Colorado medical-marijuana registry program. There are 12 states in the U.S. that have medical-marijuana laws. Of the 10 with marijuana card systems, Colorado is the
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only state that does not issue caregivers like Stetler licenses that specifically allow for cultivation. "Marijuana cultivation is a violation of federal and state law. Just because someone says 'medical marijuana' doesn't mean we automatically back off and we don't enforce the law," said Larry Abrahamson, district attorney for Larimer County, where more than 45 percent of felony marijuana cases in the past decade have involved growers, many with state-issued cards. "Just because we have Amendment 20 does not mean we have free marijuana for everyone."
Raid, but no charges
Tucked into a lonely corner of 7,755- resident Huerfano County, Stetler has nursed 33 new marijuana plants from the sandy soil. Good medicine, he says, squeezing sticky, stinky and crystallized buds atop listing 7-foot stalks.
His plants are growing on private land miles from a paved road in two sheds posted with 13 state-issued medical-marijuana certificates that designate Stetler is now a licensed care giver for 13 patients. His doctor has advised he needs 15 plants to alleviate his constant pain stemming from a 1990 car accident.
Since the raid more than a year ago, Huerfano County Sheriff Bruce Newman has not filed any charges or returned Stetler's plants. No visits from police. Not even a ticket or a letter. Newman said he's waiting.
"We want to see what happens with some of these other cases," said Newman, who suspects not all of Stetler's 44 plants were legal and has destroyed them. "There's a lot of legal stuff up in the air, and it's going to take judges making decisions to figure it out."
The amendment seems to be functioning for people who use and distribute medical marijuana. Eleven storefront dispensaries operate openly in Colorado, some distributing medical marijuana to as many as 600 patients who need as much as an ounce of the weed a week. More than 500 doctors have recommended marijuana, and the number of patients on the state's registry has almost doubled since January.
"I'd have to say it is working," said Denver attorney Warren Edson, who represents half of the state's dispensaries. "But the dispensaries are not cultivating, and there's a huge need. The cultivation side is problematic."
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Indeed, for the green-thumbed suppliers of the statewide demand for thousands of pounds of medical marijuana, life is not good. While Amendment 20 outlines a host of protections for medical-marijuana patients and allows them to designate a caregiver, the law does nothing to address growers.
So though many medical-marijuana patients designate growers as caregivers, the marijuana farmers are subject to arrest-first, ask-if-it's-medical-later SWAT raids. They face lengthy and costly legal battles, which, regardless of an acquittal, dismissal or conviction, end with dead marijuana plants.
"The police are supposed to be protecting me from thieves and such, but they are the thieves," said Stetler, who is one of three designated caregivers in Colorado preparing a civil lawsuit demanding compensation for plants destroyed by police.
"It's not right. They are making up their own laws and mocking the state's laws they are supposed to be protecting. They are mocking the voters they serve."
"Where do they think all the medical marijuana for more than 3,000 patients comes from?" said marijuana farmer Chris Crumbliss, who has been raided twice in Larimer County despite possessing dozens of state-issued medical-marijuana cards from patients listing him as their primary caregiver. "Do they want one person growing for 50 people, or do they want 50 people growing on their own?"
Law rubs wrong way
For police, Amendment 20 conflicts with federal laws and long-held state laws prohibiting cultivation of marijuana.
Even worse, say police, Amendment 20's requirement that all property and plants seized in a medical-marijuana investigation "shall not be harmed, neglected, injured, or destroyed" is unworkable. (If a cop waters a marijuana plant, is she breaking the law?)
And the notion that marijuana â?? which the federal government considers a "Schedule I" substance alongside PCP and methamphetamine â?? can be legal at all dismisses decades of law enforcement culture and ingrained drug war doctrine.
Larimer County's Jim Alderden is a folksy sheriff who refers to Amendment 20 as an "ill-conceived law" and aggressively pursues marijuana growers. They may call themselves licensed caregivers, but he calls them "dope dealers."
"Wholesale drug dealers are hiding under the umbrella afforded them by the statute," he says. "These people are nothing more than dope dealers, and they are hiding under this thing, and we are not going to back off. These people who say they are caregivers providing for 60 to 70 people are running the same sort of scam you see on the West Coast where people see a physician who is willing to prostitute themselves for money and say 'here's the dope.' "
Scott Carr, the regional director for Colorado's THC Clinic in Wheat Ridge, disagrees with Alderden's assessment of doctors who recommend marijuana. Carr says the doctors in his clinic care for their patients and advise the best treatment for their ailments.
"We do a pretty extensive screening of medical history. We get charts and copies of doctor notes," Carr said.
Jeff Sweetin, head of Denver's branch of the federal Drug Enforcement Administration, regularly hears growers pleading their product is medical marijuana. When the operations "reach into hundreds of plants and millions of dollars, that argument that they are immune because of state medical-marijuana laws is absurd," Sweetin said.
"I think it was a mistake. It's bad public policy, and it put cops in a terrible spot," Sweetin said of Amendment 20. "The very term 'medical marijuana' doesn't hold much water. I mean really, what kind of medicine do you smoke?"
Sweetin fields calls "all the time" from Colorado cops begging his help when a court orders the return of marijuana or growing equipment.
"Ninety-nine times out of 100, our answer is, 'This is not our problem to fix.' I feel for these guys and they are my friends and they are partners, but it is not the position of the DEA to rescue everybody from their state's legislation."
A need for clarity
If there's one thing cops, prosecutors, attorneys and growers agree on, it's that more work is needed to lift the fog surrounding Amendment 20 and its implementation. How it's going to get done is the big question.
Last month, Crumbliss stood trembling with his arms held high in his front yard at 4 a.m., his boxers pulled to his ankles, his head and face wrapped in a T-shirt, a laser-scoped assault rifle trained on his chest and his dogs howling from a shower of tear gas. He kept saying one thing over and over: "I have a license to grow medical marijuana."
The armored men behind the guns were Larimer and Boulder county sheriff's deputies in a multi-jurisdictional, predawn SWAT-team raid of three of Crumbliss' homes. After months of investigation â?? which included no-subpoena-needed access to Poudre Valley Rural Electric Association electrical usage reports from Crumbliss' and neighbors' homes â?? the raid netted 200 marijuana plants and 25 pounds of cannabis. Crumbliss and his wife, Tiffany, were arrested and charged with a host of felonies that could land them in prison for almost a decade. It was the second time in two years Larimer County cops have raided the Crumblisses, who have never hidden their predilection toward medical marijuana.
"I thought I was going to be executed," said Crumbliss, a father of two and a perpetually grinning marijuana farmer who holds more than 40 state medical-marijuana licenses from patients who list him as their primary caregiver. "I've never had a felony in my life. I preach love and compassion. I really believe what I'm doing is legal and I am following the letter of the law. And it's an honor and a privilege to stand up for sick people who can't stand up for themselves. It might earn me a spot in jail, and it might earn me a place in heaven."
Sean McAllister, the attorney who represented Crumbliss against his previous and still-pending marijuana cultivation charges from 2007, called Larimer County's "smash and grab" tactics "the worst abuse I've ever seen by police of the medical-marijuana law because they are arresting first and determining if it's medical later."
McAllister, the founder of Sensible Colorado, a nonprofit advocating for drug policy reform, said the writers of Amendment 20 made too many compromises and growers like Crumbliss are left in the law's "gray areas."
"You can smoke it. You can dispense it. But how are they supposed to grow it?" said McAllister, a Breckenridge attorney who specializes in medical-marijuana cases. "Unfortunately the Crumblisses are the guinea pigs who are going to have to test the legal status of Colorado's medical-marijuana laws."
Prosecutions increase
Larimer County, which medical-marijuana attorney Rob Corry calls "the worst" in its pursuit of medical-marijuana caregivers, is not alone in its hunt for marijuana farmers. Across the state, prosecutors in recent years have pursued more cases than ever against growers who argue they are within the bounds of Amendment 20. Last year, prosecutors in El Paso, Jefferson, Denver and Larimer counties â?? home to nearly half the state's medical-marijuana patients â?? tried 72 felony cultivation cases, up from nine cases in 2000.
Part of the issue is public safety, said Lynn Kimbrough, spokeswoman for Denver District Attorney Mitch Morrissey. She explained a litany of potential hazards involving the unregulated business of marijuana growing operations: fire danger from high electrical use and indoor grow lamps, price gouging, the safety of the product and the potential dangers facing future residents of a house where marijuana was grown.
"There is no mandate in our office to go out and aggressively prosecute caregivers or growers, but we are not going to look the other way," Kimbrough said. "I think (district attorneys) would welcome some more attention to this because there is a sense that there is some work that still needs to be done to clarify the process and perhaps regulate the business aspect and ensure the safety of the people for whom this law was meant to help."
Jason Blevins: 303-954-1374 or [email protected]

veggii
09-14-2008, 09:14 AM
this is what happens when you don't stand up and fight and make CONGRESS decriminalize cannabis the cops are really showing thier true colors they bust legitimate legal medical patients as means to get $$$ pure & simple ! they are criminals with a badge! shame :wtf:shame:wtf: shame :wtf:
take the LEO to civil court and get all your $$$ returned too you as they violated state law
as for me I'm giving up the whole MMJ thing and getting a higher dose of Oxycontin from doctors as its my only legal option good luck

painretreat
09-14-2008, 09:38 AM
Veggie-seems like the only practical solution. The pills are at least a lot cheaper and easier to get! I do not blame you! I think of that at times. Yet, I know, the day has to come I can use mmj to get off those wicked drugs and hope to be pain free! So, I look for the cure!! Good luck to you. Feeling any better? pr ;)

RobPA
09-14-2008, 04:32 PM
this is what happens when you don't stand up and fight and make CONGRESS decriminalize cannabis the cops are really showing thier true colors they bust legitimate legal medical patients as means to get $$$ pure & simple ! they are criminals with a badge! shame :wtf:shame:wtf: shame :wtf:
take the LEO to civil court and get all your $$$ returned too you as they violated state law
as for me I'm giving up the whole MMJ thing and getting a higher dose of Oxycontin from doctors as its my only legal option good luck

Personally I'd rather spend time in jail or legal fees rather then ever take that poison again.

medigrower
09-14-2008, 04:41 PM
agreed.

rebgirl420
09-14-2008, 05:10 PM
This makes me angry.

Like 'I wanna go tip something over/cause a dumpster fire' angry. (I would never do that, it's just how angry I am).

The federal government is far too big. The state government was supposed to be the ones in control and the federal government was only there to keep all 50 states together as one (during war, printing money, etc.). The states need to ban together and tell the federal government enough is enough, we want our power back.

AspenGrow
09-14-2008, 07:05 PM
This makes me angry.

Like 'I wanna go tip something over/cause a dumpster fire' angry. (I would never do that, it's just how angry I am).

The federal government is far too big. The state government was supposed to be the ones in control and the federal government was only there to keep all 50 states together as one (during war, printing money, etc.). The states need to ban together and tell the federal government enough is enough, we want our power back.

Did you read the article? Because the article talks about local sheriffs that are raiding people's houses that are growing MMJ for patients because they claim they have "no legal protection" and that cultivation of Marijuana is illegal, even though they work for the state, they are not enforcing the state's laws. This is not another post of the DEA raiding a MMJ Co-op, unfortunately, it is much worse. This is an article about people who are trying to follow the letter of the law, and are being busted by the people who the STATE puts in charge of enforcing that law. This type of stuff makes me sick. (the cops raiding MMJ patients, not you, Rebgirl ;) )

rebgirl420
09-14-2008, 07:15 PM
Yeah I read the fucking article.

But my mind kind of wondered. That's what happens when you T.U.I (typing under the influence).

My bad.

veggii
09-14-2008, 07:20 PM
Personally I'd rather spend time in jail or legal fees rather then ever take that poison again.

It must be really nice to beable too make a decision like that! I wish I could,
but because my current health is so poor,I would die in the first 48 hrs of being in jail as they don't give you doctor prescribed pain meds. So I can't risk being put in jail. I know they would stand their and watch me die from the Oxy withdrawls. Oxy is a double edge sword it can kill your pain, but if you run out it can kill you,and most likely will ! especially if you have other medical problems like autoimmune disorders. Last year I was forced too find this out as the doctor wouldn't write me a script! I ended up in the Emergency room! in convulsion's seizures projectile vomiting my stomach ripped to shreds I almost died it wasn't anything nice. so six after that the doctor finally wrote me a script and I have been on them since.I didn't want to go back on them but had no choice, I really wish their was another way
maybe if I had good medical insurance and was able to get PROPER surgery on my back that actually got rid of pain instead of giving me more pain like last back surgery,and we can't forget about the 5 year struggle, hopping around on one foot trying to find surgeon to fix foot, I finally found a surgeon to fix it ! he scheduled surgery for sept 19th but know is canceled because somehow I have contracted RINGWORM.(usually contracted by someone's dirty nastyass shower or nastyass pet LAZY DIRTY PEOPLE).
Oh Yea the subject being able to have $$$ or able to goto jail,must be nice to be so privileged.

illnillinois
09-14-2008, 07:23 PM
This makes me angry.

Like 'I wanna go tip something over/cause a dumpster fire' angry. (I would never do that, it's just how angry I am).


HAHA, I have a couple friends who set a few dumpsters ablaze.. lol

good read OP! and repliers..

ill

8182KSKUSH
09-15-2008, 12:28 AM
Did you read the article? Because the article talks about local sheriffs that are raiding people's houses that are growing MMJ for patients because they claim they have "no legal protection" and that cultivation of Marijuana is illegal, even though they work for the state, they are not enforcing the state's laws. This is not another post of the DEA raiding a MMJ Co-op, unfortunately, it is much worse. This is an article about people who are trying to follow the letter of the law, and are being busted by the people who the STATE puts in charge of enforcing that law. This type of stuff makes me sick. (the cops raiding MMJ patients, not you, Rebgirl ;) )


This makes me angry.

Like 'I wanna go tip something over/cause a dumpster fire' angry. (I would never do that, it's just how angry I am).

The federal government is far too big. The state government was supposed to be the ones in control and the federal government was only there to keep all 50 states together as one (during war, printing money, etc.). The states need to ban together and tell the federal government enough is enough, we want our power back.

Yes, it is the LEO's now, but just wait until they get their hands slapped. Then they will turn up the pressure on the DEA there, as the article stated they already have been talking to them. It's just a matter of time, the same thing was/and is happening here in Cali. There are numerous accounts of local LEO's taking a personal position on the matter, and then getting the DEA involved when they are dead ended.

You are right rebgirl, the federal government has gone way beyond what it's intended purpose is. And the local leo's will eventually take advantage of it for their benifit. Again I say, creating MORE laws, just is not the answer folks, no matter how good the intentions. We need to be taking laws off the books, we are going the wrong direction in this battle. This will just be repeated over and over again until we get it right.:(