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[SunnyD]

Marijuana And Morals

Please, this is a long read, but I encourage you to truck through this so we can all have a strong discussion about this because it's very controversial.

As the bold states, this thread is about Marijuana and morals. These morals are pertaining to those of religious background.

I got in a very heated argument with some good college friends tonight about the legalization and recreational usage of marijuana. Mind you, I was capable of educating and convincing them of the vast medicinal advantages of medical marijuana prescriptions for those with true medical complications.

What our main argument was about consisted of trying to discuss recreational use of Cannabis and whether it is or isn't "immoral".

---Here are some of my main points advocating the argument against immoral recreational use:---

â?¢If consumed correctly, it has no health risks
â?¢It is a natural plant given to us from God himself
â?¢To our knowledge, there is no word of God against the use of marijuana
â?¢It is not a gateway drug
â?¢Like a video game, it engages your mind to experience an alternate perspective to reality (Let me elaborate)

When someone plays a game, like Call Of Duty 4 for example, the video game provides a person the ability to experience reality through a different perspective. This alternate perspective changes the feeling of extreme guilt, trauma, and responsibility of killing someone in reality to a feeling of joy and accomplishment. In this sense, Marijuana's mental effects can be related to playing video games in that all it does is provide a person with the ability to experience their reality through a different perspective.

---Their points that argued that recreational use of cannabis is immoral are as follows:---

â?¢Even though it is a natural plant, it is possible that (because we are given free will) God may be testing our temptation
â?¢It is stated in the bible that everything should be done through God in that one should rely on God to provide knowledge of alternate perspectives through faith and prayer. They shouldn't require any specific substance to grant them access to outside perspectives
â?¢It is advised in the bible that one should follow the guidelines of their government, which means that recreational use is illegal in every state, even though medical usage is permitted scarcely
â?¢It says in the bible to not taint ones self with drunkenness, lust, and jealousy. Since alcohol is a natural substance that changes ones mental state, isn't that the same as the effect from cannabis

---Now, My counter-arguments to these points are as follows:---

â?¢As far as God testing our temptation, in the story of the "Adam and Eve apple issue" God specifically told them not to eat that fruit. Where in the bible does it specifically state that humans are not to consume cannabis?
â?¢In response to doing everything through God, if cannabis is a seed bearing plant given as a gift from God, wouldn't partaking of this gift be an act through God himself to open one's perspective to grow closer to him?
â?¢For the order to follow the rules and regulations of one's government...Are we as humans expected to follow our government even if it's rules and regulations are twisted and corrupted?
â?¢Lastly, in response to the tainting of one's body...Alcohol and cannabis have two extremely different effects. Alcohol hinders one's control of their physical and emotional reactions which results in an alteration of one's perspective. Similar to the perspective alteration caused through the usage of cannabis. HOWEVER, apart from the effects of cannabis, it changes one's normal style of judgment and can cause complete loss of consciousness whereas cannabis merely changes the perspective that one uses their normally permanent style of judgment and conscious physical reactions.

So, I'd like to hear your thoughts and points as to whether the recreational use of cannabis is moral or immoral according to the teachings of the Christian Bible.

I'm still searching for raw facts, stories, or commandments pertaining to the usage of hemp/cannabis in the bible

Thanks for taking the time to read this guys, I really want to have a hardcore in depth discussion about this with any learned individuals on this site!

Happy Posting, and any arguments are welcome, just keep it clean

SunnyD

[40oz]

Marijuana And Morals



So, I'd like to hear your thoughts and points as to whether the recreational use of cannabis is moral or immoral according to the teachings of the Christian Bible.



Well I think it depends on how you want to interperate it...but I would say, and I think jesus would agree, that god made herbs for humans to use as a benefit. All herbs, including cannabis.

[SunnyD]

Thanks for you impur 40oz.

I really appreciate your consideration of this thread!

We'll see who else has an opinion on this subject

[Breukelen advocaat]

Shouldn't this thread be in Spirituality?

I believe that discussions regarding other drugs, including alchohol vs. marijuana, are not permitted on this website.

[SunnyD]

It's not a discussion about Alcohol, that was merely a statement. And I believe that the statement was quoted from the bible so I assume that there would be some lee-way as far as allowing it's post to display a metaphorical point...

And I don't really appreciate the negativity to the thread my friend, this is a controversial issue, hence why it is placed in the controversy section. Although it is possible to see why it could be placed in spirituality. It can belong in either of the two sections comfortably, so I picked this one.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

obedience is demanded of the faithful. that obedience encompasses every facet of their lives and is seldom a simple matter to interpret. following the counsel of one's spiritual advisor, minister or priest is usually considered a duty, as they are believed to be more learned in the teachings of christ and closer to an understanding of the mandates of the religion.

the statement "render unto caesar.....", though open to interpretation, probably trumps most any argument anyone could make amongst fundamentalists. the simplest and most widely recognized understanding of jesus's words is that the laws of secular authority should be obeyed as long as they do not conflict with religious obligations. nowhere in scripture is man commanded to consume weed, so the laws on man would take precedence over the mere desires of the faithful. even those who consider it a sacrament are merely attempting to rationalize their own inclinations. sacraments are only symbolic representations, so investing any one substance with such power is, in itself, a blasphemy.

there is also the matter of one's duty to the rest of mankind. though weed is not necessarily a "gateway drug", there are those weak willed souls who use it as an excuse to abuse other substances and possibly damage their bodies and spirits. many consider it an obligation of their faith to "set an example" for those around them by abstaining from what might be, for some, a hazardous substance. two of my dearest and oldest friends have recently quit getting high for this very reason. they looked around them and saw that such weak willed people might consider their use of weed an encouragement to similar behavior, so they decided it was their christian duty to set an example for such fools. it might have been nothing more than a rationalization, considering the price of a decent bag and their paycheck to paycheck existence, but it seems to work for them and it is a theologically sound argument.

of course, there is no way to truly know the desires of a god. interpretations of the bible vary widely and these "pick and chose christians" will undoubtedly make the choice that best suits their own appetites. arguing any point one way or the other with a "true believer" is invariably futile, but it is a whole lot of fun.
:D

[delusionsofNORMALity]

oops, double post. pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

[flyingimam]

im not christian. cant even care about any arguments made in this regard, have heard enough of it already both christian and islamic viewpoints and i must say both are absolute BS to me...

i rather puff it and think about the moral issues of christians and muslims lol maybe i find a universal solution to that!:D

[FlyGuyOU]

If these people are basing their arguments on morality, then it is not possible to have a resolution. this is because morality is subjective, and always changing. Accoding to dictionary.com there are these deffinitions

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source - Share This
mor·al /ˈmɔrəl, ˈmɒr-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[mawr-uhl, mor-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
â??adjective
1. of, pertaining to, or concerned with the principles or rules of right conduct or the distinction between right and wrong; ethical: moral attitudes.
2. expressing or conveying truths or counsel as to right conduct, as a speaker or a literary work; moralizing: a moral novel.
3. founded on the fundamental principles of right conduct rather than on legalities, enactment, or custom: moral obligations.
4. capable of conforming to the rules of right conduct: a moral being.
5. conforming to the rules of right conduct (opposed to immoral): a moral man.
6. virtuous in sexual matters; chaste.
7. of, pertaining to, or acting on the mind, feelings, will, or character: moral support.
8. resting upon convincing grounds of probability; virtual: a moral certainty.
â??noun
9. the moral teaching or practical lesson contained in a fable, tale, experience, etc.
10. the embodiment or type of something.
11. morals, principles or habits with respect to right or wrong conduct.

number 3 seems to be the most pertinant to this discussion. the fact that morality is something outside of legalities. the legal system deals with 'right and wrong' whereas a moral system is concerned with 'good and bad' the two do not always intermix.

furthermore the fact that morality is subjective and changes throughout time is ALL the more reason why it SHOULD NOT be included in the legal system. A commonly used example is the civil rights movements. Segregation was the law, and therefore it was right. however it was not good.
Marijuana prohibition is the law (federally) so it is 'right' to follow it, you cannot say it is morally 'good'

[the image reaper]

well, my personal opinion doesn't mean anything, except to me :D, but I look at it like this: I am a sincere follower of Jesus Christ, and my church's Pastor would tell you that drugs are what the Bible refers to as 'sorcery' ... I personally don't agree, at least, not completely ... he would also tell you, "if pot is OK because it's 'natural', then why don't ya just smoke poison oak ?, it's 'natural' too" :D ... I'm sure the Lord would prefer I live my life without drugs, but I know, He knows my heart ... He knows my thoughts, knows I have a more tolerable life WITH marijuana ... and, if I am wrong, He will save me from myself ... personally, I have done a LOT worse things in my life, pot-smoking is pretty tame, in comparison ... and, the world is a safer place when I'm medicated, I can be a dangerous MF when the occasion arises :wtf: ... marijuana DOES make me a nicer person (just ask my friends) :smokin:

[FlyGuyOU]

... I'm sure the Lord would prefer I live my life without drugs, but I know, He knows my heart ... He knows my thoughts, knows I have a more tolerable life WITH marijuana ... and, if I am wrong, He will save me from myself ... personally


As a strong Catholic, you often hear this argument for the use against drugs and it often reminds me of a story. Jesus' first miracle was turning water into wine. Big huge jugs of it. Because the party was so awesome they drank all the wine yet they still wanted to party some more. So Jesus's own MOTHER asked him to do something. What did he do? He made more wine, not just any wine but the best wine ever. Can anyone reasonably think that they wern't just getting plastered? Seems to me that Jesus knew how to party, he didn't have a problem with partying in its time and place. So I say to you this, ALL things if done responsibly, are good.

[SunnyD]

Thanks for all of your input. These are all wonderful contributions to this issue.

However, for you FlyGuyOU, the argument I had with these friends was about having the ability to challenge one's morals to find real truth as to whether recreational use of cannabis is good or bad.

My argument was for good, and theirs was for bad.

Thank you DelusionsofNORMALilty! Your statement that "many consider it an obligation of their faith to "set an example" for those around them by abstaining from what might be, for some, a hazardous substance" is an extremely valid argument and makes me ponder something.

---Here's what that makes me think about (And I'm not saying that this is what you're advocating at all, just stating something that I realized)---
â?¢If strong minded people who don't abuse the drug are influencing weak minded people to partake of the substance leading to abuse then should we all set an example for the weak minded people? Should all of the strong minded people sacrifice something that they can enjoy in order to stop the weak minded people from destroying themselves? Isn't this the way natural selection works?

And as for your contribution Image Reaper, I do realize that cannabis should be considered morally good as a medicinal substance for those who benefit form using it. However, this controversy is about whether or not the recreational use of cannabis is, truthfully, morally good or bad. I am, however, extremely grateful for your contribution and consideration for this post.

Thank you all, I want to keep this up

[FlyGuyOU]

However, for you FlyGuyOU, the argument I had with these friends was about having the ability to challenge one's morals to find real truth as to whether recreational use of cannabis is good or bad.


The only way to find real truth is through logic. Its the basis of Objectivism and Ayn Rand

[Breukelen advocaat]

As a strong Catholic, you often hear this argument for the use against drugs and it often reminds me of a story. Jesus' first miracle was turning water into wine. Big huge jugs of it. Because the party was so awesome they drank all the wine yet they still wanted to party some more. So Jesus's own MOTHER asked him to do something. What did he do? He made more wine, not just any wine but the best wine ever. Can anyone reasonably think that they wern't just getting plastered? Seems to me that Jesus knew how to party, he didn't have a problem with partying in its time and place. So I say to you this, ALL things if done responsibly, are good.
Suppose that the revelers were driving their carts and buggies home, while drunk on wine conjured up by Christ, and caused accidents. I'm afraid that Jesus is not a good role model for young people. Mary would not be elected the head of the local MAD, that's for sure.

[FlyGuyOU]

Suppose that the revelers were driving their carts and buggies home, while drunk on wine conjured up by Christ, and caused accidents. I'm afraid that Jesus is not a good role model for young people. Mary would not be elected the head of the local MAD, that's for sure.

LOL
If im at a party with limitless supplies of intoxicants, you can be sure Im not going anywhere!

[TheMetal1]

personally, I have done a LOT worse things in my life, pot-smoking is pretty tame, in comparison ... and, the world is a safer place when I'm medicated ........ marijuana DOES make me a nicer person

So perfectly true. I am not personally affiliated with any denomination or belief structure, but I do feel that IF we are to be judged for any reason... the topic of smoking bud isn't going to be very high up on their list for me. Haha. I am absolutely much safer to myself, my family, and society when I have affordable, steady access to quality medication. I would have to question a creator that would be against a basic principle such as that.

In my opinion, while there is absolutely a need for faith based organizations to debate the morality of consuming intoxicants... it should really be completely removed from the legal system. The truth is, we can not police what people do to themselves behind closed doors. The concept of prohibition on Cannabis is the equivalent of a Federal Law against masterbating. We are basing rules on beliefs that vary greatly between the population. No matter what happens, we all get jerked around and left feeling dirty :wtf: lol sorry.

So yeah... people can argue/debate until the cows come home as to IF or WHY Cannabis is acceptable in the eyes of "God." But what about people like me? As a country, we are supposed to respect others right to observe, accept or ignore all forms of religion no matter how radical that belief structure may be... AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT INFRINGE ON OTHERS RIGHTS OR HARM OTHER CITIZENS.

Logically...
- I accept the "moral sentence" implied with consuming intoxicants.
and
- I accept the health risks associated with when I choose smoke Cannabis.

The fact that I smoke Cannabis in my own home to benefit my life should have absolutely zero impact on another persons relationship with their God. If it does... that persons relationship with the Holy One needs tending to.

In reality... it is not the "counter culture" that disrupts the Christian way of life. It is the subtle moral influence that Christianity plays in society that disrupts the lives of all those that choose not to adopt that belief structure.

Simple morality has no place in the legal system. Non-violent, personal actions should be regulated by the individual. If no 3rd party can claim infringement on their Consitutional rights to freedom, by that individual... it should not be a violation of the law. It is the same reason that you can't prosecute someone for cutting themselves. It is horrific to some... and the pinnacle of symptom relief for others. Right? Wrong? We can not judge that... it is their choice. They are not physically harming someone else. As society we just have to make sure they don't die as a result of that behavior, offer alternatives, support, and education... and rely on that person to make appropriate decisions on their own.

Even in the Christian faith... judgement is not the responsibility of anyone "down here," so those people arguing are suggesting that they have a superior understanding of the word of God.

Again... I have never been to a church service in my entire life so I may be out of the loop in this discussion.

Back to this ------> :jointsmile:

[TurnyBright]

To engage in "drunkenness," one has to DRINK something, right? Isn't that the whole reason that hashish was popular among Islamic peoples, while alcohol remained prohibited?

Also, alcohol is not natural, at least not when it makes it's way into a human's glass.

[Breukelen advocaat]

The origins of religion in human evolution are rooted in the use of psychedelic substances, such as the magic mushrooms and other natural plants. When these sources of inspiration dried up, due to climatic and other conditions some eight to ten thousand years ago, alcohol replaced them - and the world has been going downhill ever since. It's not a coincidence that many of the rituals of Judeo-Christianity involve alcohol, and that the history of these religions is drenched in the blood of hapless millions.

[FlyGuyOU]

The origins of religion in human evolution are rooted in the use of psychedelic substances, such as the magic mushrooms and other natural plants. When these sources of inspiration dried up, due to climatic and other conditions some eight to ten thousand years ago, alcohol replaced them - and the world has been going downhill ever since. It's not a coincidence that many of the rituals of Judeo-Christianity involve alcohol, and that the history of these religions is drenched in the blood of hapless millions.

Have you read Food of the Gods by Terence Mckenna?

[Breukelen advocaat]

Have you read Food of the Gods by Terence Mckenna?
Parts of it, but I've read other books by him such as True Hallucinations.

[40oz]

However, this controversy is about whether or not the recreational use of cannabis is, truthfully, morally good or bad.


Well think of the question like this, would the recreational use of chocolate or coffee be morally bad according to the bible? If not, then why is cannabis any different?

[SunnyD]

To engage in "drunkenness," one has to DRINK something, right? Isn't that the whole reason that hashish was popular among Islamic peoples, while alcohol remained prohibited?

Also, alcohol is not natural, at least not when it makes it's way into a human's glass.

Alcohol is in fact a natural substance. Grapes do naturally ferment as does rice when in the correct conditions, it's just not as readily available for consumption

Just thought I'd clear that up

I can't formulate any proper thoughts pertaining to this argument right now...if anyone else has any other contributions i would really appreciate their input!

Be back in a couple hours probably...:jointsmile:

[TurnyBright]

Would you ever ingest those naturally fermented grapes, though? It seems like alcohol is actually just rotten food.

Though I guess buds from wild hemp wouldn't be that great either, so I don't really have a point.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

If strong minded people who don't abuse the drug are influencing weak minded people to partake of the substance leading to abuse then should we all set an example for the weak minded people? Should all of the strong minded people sacrifice something that they can enjoy in order to stop the weak minded people from destroying themselves? Isn't this the way natural selection works?the question of how far we should be required to go in order to aid the weak and disadvantaged has become not just a matter of spiritual debate, but of social and political as well. denying man's place in nature has led us to the point where we also deny the power of the laws of nature over us. surely we can't be so callous as to allow those damaged souls to simply wither and die, but do we owe them our own freedom so that they might prosper? i really don't have an answer for you, but i do have a rational conclusion. we owe them nothing more than we are freely willing to give.

self sacrifice is a wonderful thing, but it must be done for personal reasons and not through the demands of authority. god, the state, and public opinion are all voices of authority and they have all been used to enforce the creed of sacrifice. drug laws, wealth redistribution, and tolerance for the most outlandish demands of those around you are prime examples of sacrifice in the name of authority. the state demands you forego certain pleasures for the sake of the illusion of public safety, god demands certain conducts to avoid his divine retribution, the community demands you believe as the masses to keep from being ostracized and becoming a pariah. demands are made constantly, all for the safety of the herd.

[DaBudhaStank]

There's no such thing as morality and marijuana. There's no morality involved. Ingesting anything (pot, alcohol, poison, crack, gasoline) does not change or affect ones morals. Morality has no place on my ganja. Morality is one of key reasons it's illegal today. Morals often do more harm than good.

[rebgirl420]

well, my personal opinion doesn't mean anything, except to me :D, but I look at it like this: I am a sincere follower of Jesus Christ, and my church's Pastor would tell you that drugs are what the Bible refers to as 'sorcery' ... I personally don't agree, at least, not completely ... he would also tell you, "if pot is OK because it's 'natural', then why don't ya just smoke poison oak ?, it's 'natural' too" :D ... I'm sure the Lord would prefer I live my life without drugs, but I know, He knows my heart ... He knows my thoughts, knows I have a more tolerable life WITH marijuana ... and, if I am wrong, He will save me from myself ... personally, I have done a LOT worse things in my life, pot-smoking is pretty tame, in comparison ... and, the world is a safer place when I'm medicated, I can be a dangerous MF when the occasion arises :wtf: ... marijuana DOES make me a nicer person (just ask my friends) :smokin:

Haha sorry, I read the word sorcery and cracked up. Watch out, that sorcery is grounds for being burned at the stake.

Reminds me of Monty Python and the Holy Grail:

Peasant 1: A witch! We have found a witch! Can we burn her?
Belvedere: How do you know that she is a witch?

Peasant 2: Because she looks like one!
Witch: I am not a witch! I am not a witch! They dressed me up like this, and this is not my nose it is a false one!

[Belvedere pulls off the false nose and opens his helmet]

Peasant 1: Well, we did do the nose, and the hat.
Peasant 2: She has a wart.

Belvedere: Why do you think that she is a witch?

Peasant 2: Well, she turned me into a newt.

[Belvedere gives him a disbelieving look]
Belvedere: A newt?
[Silence]
Peasant 2: Well I got better.
Peasant 3: Burn her anyway.

[MIDNIGHTspecial]

I think that what you do to yourself isn't immoral, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone.

[GreenDestiny]

Hmm... well, since this thread was started by referencing Christianity as the basis for this moral debate, I'll offer my input accordingly.

In Exodus 30:22-33, cannabis (kaneh bosm, kannabosm, etc.) is one of the ingredients that God told Moses to use for the holy anointing oil.. They had to use about 6 pounds of it in the recipe. But the oil can't be used for secular purposes or for anyone whom isn't a priest.

Translations are so quirky so you probably won't read it in the Bible.... this explains things better: Kaneh Bosm: Cannabis in the Old Testament (http://www.cannabisculture.com/backissues/mayjune96/kanehbosm.html)

Basically, Moses says that God gave him the selfish elitist rules for how to use the special oil.

Still.... that's just for that specific recipe, not cannabis by itself..... so.........


yeah if it's at least good enough to be in anointing oil, it's good. right?


We have the endocannabinoid system in our bodies, but if buds/cannabinoids are bad, then would religious nuts twist that around and call it another original sin that we have to ask for forgiveness? Born with this wicked evil intoxicating chemical that's naturally produced by our bodies we must PRAY TO JESUS or go to HELL.


I can just imagine a new Chick comic strip telling you how to pray so that this natural devil's poison running through our veins won't cause us to suffer eternal damnation. The devil somehow put a little bit of it into us when we're in the womb and unable to be baptised yet (HAW HAW!)... just enough for a taste, to have us addicted from birth. And now since we've had a taste of it he'll tempt us with more by offering our children the evil weed. Damn I really love those comic strips!

[FlyGuyOU]

...and we must consider that since-unfortunately-we are forced to live together, the most important thing for us to remember is that the only way in which we can have any law at all is to have as little of it as possible. I see no ethical standard to which to measure the whole unethical conception of a State, except in the amount of time, of thought, of money, or effort and of obedience, which a society extorts from its every member. Its value and its civilization are in inverse ratio to that extortion. There is no conceivable law by which a man can be forced to work on any terms except those he chooses to set. There is no conceivable law to prevent him from setting them-just as there is none to force his employer to accept them. The freedom to agree or disagree is the foundation of our kind of society...
~Ayn Rand

[xweefernationx]

and it says conspiracy not controversy

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

God gave mankind free will. In doing so, god acknowledges that there is no such thing as good or evil, that god has no favorable outcome with this reality.

In giving mankind the freedom to make it's own personal and individual choices, god is saying "NOTHING MATTERS, HAVE FUN."

we hurt each other, ourselves, and blame each other for all our misfortunes, then turn around and claim god's on our side.

Meanwhile god is sitting there laughing his ass off at us, smoking a blunt, passing it around with some of his friends, budah, mohamed, shiva, Eagle, Lucifer, Baal, and his son, Jesus, telling stories about how fucked up humanity is, and congradulating each of them for their highly entertaining influences on us all.



Morality is a man made thing. so is god, and everything in the bible. stop scapegoating and take responsibility for yourself. follow your heart, walk your own path, and to HELL with anyone who doesnt like it! YOU are the only one who KNOWS what you've done with your life, and are, therefore, the only one authorized to judge yourself.


if you know you have done no wrong, then you have nothing to worry about. you, and only you, can punish yourself for your wrong deeds, and this WONT HAPPEN unless YOU think you need grounding. you're the only one who can ground yourself. everyone else (law for example) can only try to convince you to see things their way. no amount of punishment that an outside force can deliver you will ever be enough to affect you unless YOU think you need to be affected by it.



MIND OVER MATTER PEOPLE!!

[TheMetal1]

everyone else (law for example) can only try to convince you to see things their way. no amount of punishment that an outside force can deliver you will ever be enough to affect you unless YOU think you need to be affected by it.

Great post. I wanted to quote the entire thing, but the last part was especially important. That is why those truly dedicated to ANY cause will remain strong through the most harsh of punishments. You have only done wrong if you believe it is wrong. Laws just try to convince you through threats and imprisonment. True and virtuous ideals will transcend a jail cell.

Mind over matter :hippy:

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

EXACTLY. thank you :D

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

Who exactly are you preaching to? I'm pretty sure everyone here follows their own path, after all we're all open minded enough to accept medical marijuana.


guests, i guess :jointsmile:

[SunnyD]

And just an update, I keep reading people referencing to arguments for the well natured morality of "medical" marijuana. Medical marijuana has already been established as morally sound, this discussion was about the recreational use in that is it morally good or bad for someone with no physical or mental defficiencies to use marijuana as a mind-altering substance rather than a medicine.

If that doesn't make sense let me know.

Just throwing that out there

GD THANK YOU FOR YOUR BIBLE REFERENCE!!! IF ANYONE ELSE HAS ANYMORE BIBLE QUOTES SHARE THEM!

[GoddessHerb]

There is much too much information regarding Cannabis in religion to cover here without boring everyone so I will just invite those who seek spiritual answers to the use of cannabis to visit The Hawaiian Cannabis ministry @ Aloha and welcome - e komo mai (http://www.thc-ministry.org) There is also great discussion @ the amsterdam ministry www.the-ministry.net as well. However I must warn any christian, muslim, or jewish followers that people at the .net forum are very angry with the abrahamic religions and do not tolerate ANY type of preaching. They do however offer an open place to explore ones beliefs with many paths open to discussion.

I am a minister in the ministry myself and believe it is a powerful thing to use Cannabis religiously and with spiritual intent and inspire others who use it recreationally to try and always use it with a spiritual intention themselves. I hope you find your own morality and it works well for your in your life. Your morality should only matter to someone else when you're doing something to directly hurt or interfere with them or their lives. Just my :twocents: Hope this helps you in your quest.

Blessed be~

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

There is much too much information regarding Cannabis in religion to cover here without boring everyone so I will just invite those who seek spiritual answers to the use of cannabis to visit The Hawaiian Cannabis ministry @ Aloha and welcome - e komo mai (http://www.thc-ministry.org) There is also great discussion @ the amsterdam ministry www.the-ministry.net (http://www.the-ministry.net) as well. However I must warn any christian, muslim, or jewish followers that people at the .net forum are very angry with the abrahamic religions and do not tolerate ANY type of preaching. They do however offer an open place to explore ones beliefs with many paths open to discussion.

I am a minister in the ministry myself and believe it is a powerful thing to use Cannabis religiously and with spiritual intent and inspire others who use it recreationally to try and always use it with a spiritual intention themselves. I hope you find your own morality and it works well for your in your life. Your morality should only matter to someone else when you're doing something to directly hurt or interfere with them or their lives. Just my :twocents: Hope this helps you in your quest.

Blessed be~



tell me more.

[GreenDestiny]

Storm Crow posted this link in another thread relating to religious morality and using cannabis...
Jesus 'healed using cannabis' | World news | The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/jan/06/science.religion)

The rules for using the anointing oil greatly limited it's use. If Jesus really used it for other purposes then it looks like he was breaking a law of God that was supposedly given directly to Moses.

That alone sounds like enough reason to be put to death back in those times.

If he did exist or not, or whom/what he really was, I guess he was one of the first recorded activists for hemp medicines.... to go against the law of God (made by greedy selfish leaders) and face the death penalty.

THE greatest story never told.

[SunnyD]

Storm Crow posted this link in another thread relating to religious morality and using cannabis...
Jesus 'healed using cannabis' | World news | The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/jan/06/science.religion)

The rules for using the anointing oil greatly limited it's use. If Jesus really used it for other purposes then it looks like he was breaking a law of God that was supposedly given directly to Moses.

That alone sounds like enough reason to be put to death back in those times.

If he did exist or not, or whom/what he really was, I guess he was one of the first recorded activists for hemp medicines.... to go against the law of God (made by greedy selfish leaders) and face the death penalty.

THE greatest story never told.

Very interesting, thank you for bringing that up!

[Smudgeyboy]

I love the herb! The herb helped me find Jah and also the Jah in me. It has had a huge effect on my mind but it was ultimately self education that changed my thoughts, and my own actions came naturally through this.

Now I dont think it was cannabis that changed me, I smoked it because I am a man on earth and it smells good. Natural. I liked it so I did it loads of times and still do! :rastasmoke:

It helped me open my eyes, our world is hugely unnatural, humans have never lived how we do and it is not right.

Did you know you have a THC receptor in your brain that ONLY TAKES IN THC? You can only get THC from the herb. Why is that there?---------- Feed your brain :thumbsup:

[Smudgeyboy]

As for the Bible, Jesus loved the herb, the boys were natty dreads!

And the earth brought forth grass and herb yielding seed after its kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. (Genesis 1:12)

"I will take my rest and I will consider in my dwelling place like a clear heat upon herbs, and like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest. For afore the harvest, when the bud is perfect and the sour grape is ripening in the flower, he shall cut off the sprigs with pruning hooks and take away and cut down the branches. (Is. 18:4-5)

Jesus said about drugs and morality- "Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man." (Matt. 15:11)

"One believeth that he may eat all things. Anotherâ?¦eateth herbs. â?¦ Let us not, therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumbling block or an occasion to fall in his brother's way."
(Epistle of St. Paul: Romans 14: 2,3,13,14,17)

Did you know if we didnt use artificial chemicals in our shampoos we'd all have dreads?

[SunnyD]

Did you know if we didnt use artificial chemicals in our shampoos we'd all have dreads?

I don't know if I totally believe that but, I'm willing to be educated on it.

And I deeply thank you for sharing those bible quotes with all of us! I am grateful for your insight!!

Thanks again Smudgeyboy, and if you have any info on that dread thing post it.

[Smudgeyboy]

Not a bother Sunny D!

You see the artificial chemicals used in modern shampoos are made so your can run for fingers through your hair easy and it'll be shiney, it leaves residue in your hair that stops it from matting.

Ive got very straight and thick hair and I'm Irish, I started using organic soaps on my body about 9 months ago and it's just starting to
matt now...takes a while but Im the type it takes longest with, you can speed it up by seperating your hair with bands and such...might do

A good friend of mine started his maybe 2 years ago and he's got fairly thin curly hair, his are pretty much set now. :thumbsup:

Oh and dont comb/brush!
Your hair will look a mess for a while! But Jah dont mind! ;) :rastasmoke:

Oh and, the Bible again, it says either Peter or Samson had seven locks upon his head...you find it easy with google!
Peace out :)

[seattlesmoke247]

There's no such thing as morality and marijuana. There's no morality involved. Ingesting anything (pot, alcohol, poison, crack, gasoline) does not change or affect ones morals. .


Smoking crack can effect someones morals by influencing them to steal from a friend or family member because they are fiending... I agree there is no morality involved in marijuana though.

Maybe I have a messed up defintion of morals, lol.

[SunnyD]

Not a bother Sunny D!

You see the artificial chemicals used in modern shampoos are made so your can run for fingers through your hair easy and it'll be shiney, it leaves residue in your hair that stops it from matting.

Ive got very straight and thick hair and I'm Irish, I started using organic soaps on my body about 9 months ago and it's just starting to
matt now...takes a while but Im the type it takes longest with, you can speed it up by seperating your hair with bands and such...might do

A good friend of mine started his maybe 2 years ago and he's got fairly thin curly hair, his are pretty much set now. :thumbsup:

Oh and dont comb/brush!
Your hair will look a mess for a while! But Jah dont mind! ;) :rastasmoke:

Oh and, the Bible again, it says either Peter or Samson had seven locks upon his head...you find it easy with google!
Peace out :)

That's awesome man! I'm more of a short haired guy personally though...My hair grows retarded when it's long...

But anyways, to the comments that pertain to the statement of "There are no morals when it comes to Marijuana", how can you justify that statement?

[GreenDestiny]

That's awesome man! I'm more of a short haired guy personally though...My hair grows retarded when it's long...

But anyways, to the comments that pertain to the statement of "There are no morals when it comes to Marijuana", how can you justify that statement?

I know how I would justify that statement.

There's really no morals when it comes to anything except for what each person applies to them.... unless you give up your free will and decision making to a 'higher power' and let 'them' tell you what's right or wrong. Cults exist in many, many forms. ;)

Scientific studies continue to show that using cannabis does healthy things for the body. There's just no reason to apply any moral reasoning to classify it as right or wrong. It's just something that produces healthy effects in the mind and body for most people... depending on what dosage you need to use to achieve your desired effect.

If you're sick and it can help you, use it. If you're healthy then you don't need to worry about it. No reason to complicate such a trivial thing with morals.... unless there's money power or control involved.... mwahahaha

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

I know how I would justify that statement.

There's really no morals when it comes to anything except for what each person applies to them.... unless you give up your free will and decision making to a 'higher power' and let 'them' tell you what's right or wrong. Cults exist in many, many forms. ;)



i am my own cult :D



i put all my faith in that everything i do is meant to be done by the will of the universe itself, and therefore can do no wrong :cool: