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Doobee

12-01-2008, 07:14 PM

Yur onto sumtin MadSativa...

Like your site too man...really great!

I'm a toss from the 1970s and what was back then ain't the same now.

Guess my 56 years has sumtin to do with trying to make med friends?

I went to my eye doc this last Friday and my left eye from surgery had a 47 gluacoma pressure up from the ideal 12 from a week ago.
Just had the eyeball pulled from the socket and stitched the retina so that high pressure was close to tearing it all up.
Had a tiny ass pinch of a small bowl full of seedy junk and smoked it with old pipe tar/resin the night prior to my morning appointment.
LMAO
The eye pressure was 3 below ideal at 9.
Go back this Friday due to ongoing inflammation from the surgery which is serious enuff so don't want a torn retina again, be a lost eye for sure.
Thing is...I just dunno where to walk around at CNM and UNM for cool folks to get bud friendly with.
I see somebody that looks cool enuff like they'd smoke or know lots who do.
I asked like....hey, ya know where any bud might be? Would ya know where I can score some nice smoke?
They size me up and all then either ask if I'm the law or say dunno.
A couple said yeah sure and I gave 'em my number and they said theyr'd ask around and get back to me.
I'd say I'd be grateful and make it worth their while as a thanks and all.
No calls no medicine.
What I'm asking is what am I doing wrong?
I only ask if they are friendly and I have a long hair tail and no cop shoes or nothing.
I can't start to grow for 4 months atleast and meanwhile am a beggar with no luck.
Was thinking I better move to Cali but would take a year to save up enuff to move and have 1st and last rent and all.
Then get a Cali DL so I could get a MMJ card.
I'd be better off to stay in Albquerque cause my eye docs and all is here.

Anyways....what's the hang up?

Peeps nowadays too paranoid or is it me asking the wrong way?

^^^ their you go ask some one in cali where your bud is at.

Your not gonna get any answers here, You have to ask people out on the street. Or where ever medical people hang, like a hospital. Becaue as I have seen it, nothing but trouble when giving out ansewers. Besides their are no answers to your questions. Medical is for the dieing here, If you were dieing then you would have your ansewers. Watch the news..........people on medical here score form delers on the street................communication problem??, problem is you dont speaka the language, or mabey are listening to the wrong peps. Ill say it plain out unless your sick and dieing then no medical for you!! you want clones and good bud to grow then grow it, no one is gonna help you here, if you cant do it for your self then the medical program is not for you......here anyway.

We are still petitioning for medical other than the sikley dieing, I dont think some guys have even visted the nm health board website. it is posted in the same section as this one. Clones; hahah what do you think this is California? Their are no clubs, no eatbles, no hash, no happy to help you people, no Oh that is so bad let me see what we can do..........It is all do it your self or die, or if you got a care givver then you can pay them to help. Wake up, and smell the desert, Wallmart doesnt sell Bud here, unless you know where the bud section is.

MadSativa

12-02-2008, 10:07 PM

^^ its the State, and the town. People are not just paranoied, some are scared to get busted or in a confrontation, where violance is the only way out. You are the biggest resone we need a co-op organized in town or in NM. I can see your situation, and I am not sure on how to give you advise. Most that come on here are young and more lazey than anything to go out and look for a hook up. But their are some who are legitimitly sick or in your situation, and cant get medicin. I have heard of a herb spot on, the amin strip (almost forgot, no locational spots) but I have seen all the stuff that happens , their and it is not medicin, so I highly recomend not going their! This situation is ass backwards, they should have talked about getting the people with their cards, medication, before, giving out cards.

I do have an idea that would not take 6 monthsd however. I have heard on this site, about this lowrider strain, it is grown from seed to smoke in 2 months. they say you can put them under lights constantly, and I have seen the lights their just a florecent grow light, they look like tubes you would see at an office building. Also use the sun when its out. Personaly, I would get some of those seeds, and grow while you look, it is legal for you anyway. As soon as you have a card, order from an online seed suppyer, Theirs even a couple on this site. the grow section on this forum, is like a libray or weed guruness.

Other than that, I cant intervein, I am one of the soldiers in this fight, but we have to keep clean and distant from the commotion to help, the greater population (since they wont give cards for pain). Theri are ways, though I knew people in your situation, and they are now growing for them selves, and I hope helping eachother out.

Doobee

12-03-2008, 12:17 AM

I kinda thought the times were diff somehow.

And I've come to realize some of the hassle scoring was me.
A close neighbor was kind enuff to tell me I was very intimidating at first.
Being 6'2'' and the presence carried into the greeting and such.
She said it took her a couple a times visitng to get past it all and then knew I was not some bad ass kinda dude.
LMAO...I've been tall all my life so never see or realize myself being tall.
Everybody looks pretty much the same to me so I'd always thought I did too.
Knew I had the air when trained in my last career but thought as well I dropped and lost most all that professional junk.

Sooooo....I kept my talk low and few in words and less annimation and that seemed to do it.
I actually got someone who said they'd help and they even followed thru for me.
Was to be high grade and is medium to high sensemilla.
Not complaining just noting for the price paid verses quality.

The big reason it would take me several months is to save for the stuff needed to grow.
Lights and supplies and all.
Not expecting top notch full scale but will need to save.
I will need some THC extract/oil ASAP and only know Cali has it best to my knowledge.
I have to get started on my spots with basal cell carcinoma soon or else be looking at far more involved sugery and skin draftings.
Hopefully soon I can ''meet'' someone out in Cali who will be willing to trust enuff to help me out.

A co-op would be alot of help.

I saw the state was in a flux about getting started on MMJ.
The gov Bill insisted ASAP and when the start-up was put off he really laid into it all so there it went cart before the horse.
Last I read the state has got past the doctors legal problems and is working on labs to grow in the interm.

In time we will see some progress hopefully and not lose it all wehn the Dems take over.
Obama's cabinet is very much anti-MJ and his AG is an ass when it comes to legalized pot.
Certainly many many more patients would get a MMJ card IF they knew about it and saw they could do so without nearly as much hassles as it is for now.

We have you and yours to thank and to join in to help.:smokin:

Doobee

12-07-2008, 08:57 PM

Thanks MadSativa,

Know what you're saying.

And there's always one more like myself and as many as there are who are at the point in time where it all seems hopelessly at odds.
Truth be known, it will take a few years for NM to get going smoothly so it's either go along with the speed bumps or move to California.

Almost seems like an iffy thing at best when there's just a couple hundred MMJ cards when you'd think a few 1000s would have been issued by now.
IF the powers that be see there's lttle interest compared to the hassles to get supply going then why would they?
No doubt if there was 1000s then there would be mmj available.

No matter what gets to happen I see the only way to go is to grow.

Just have to take the time needed to get caught up and save for all needed and get growing.

MadSativa

02-28-2009, 07:59 PM

Alot has change within these couple months

HERE is how you get a DOCTOR REC.

Medical Marijuana Information (http://www.health.state.nm.us/marijuana.html)

ChrisIndica

03-11-2009, 09:52 PM

Doob, that's an amazing story and a true testament to the medicinal qualities of MMJ, I'm sure if you had the quality and quantity of medicine you needed your symptoms would be alleviated all the much more. Your situation is dire when moving across the country becomes a realization for your well-being. And I believe you need to improve the quality of your life by making that medicine more available to you. But as you mentioned there's a lot needed to start up your own MMJ grow. Having a bachelors degree in plant biology; I know that it's a big endeavor setting up/maintaining hydroponic systems. It's easy to mess up and has a high start-up cost and requires a lot of specialized machines, tools, materials, and space.

What your doing is absolutely not wrong and you need access to your medicine.

I went to my eye doc this last Friday and my left eye from surgery had a 47 gluacoma pressure up from the ideal 12 from a week ago.
Just had the eyeball pulled from the socket and stitched the retina so that high pressure was close to tearing it all up.
Had a tiny ass pinch of a small bowl full of seedy junk and smoked it with old pipe tar/resin the night prior to my morning appointment.
LMAO
The eye pressure was 3 below ideal at 9.
Go back this Friday due to ongoing inflammation from the surgery which is serious enuff so don't want a torn retina again, be a lost eye for sure.

What I'm asking is what am I doing wrong?

MadSativa

03-12-2009, 12:35 AM

^^ thats not nessesarily true, one does not have to use hydro, infact solki is better, and if one has an existing green house away from the public eye that is even better than light setup. One of the big things in having a grow op or a dispensary would be to have classes in house to teach by showing patients, what to do. I have recently gone to Oaksterdam, to learn what I could, and to my realization, I already knew all what they were teaching their. And I am not an biologyst (I know my spelling is horrible), I learned what I know from books, videos, You Tube, and from friends grows. I was able to help friends when they had serious problems, because of the knowlege of people here on Canny.com. I am too the point where I now listen to everything they guys at greenhouse seeds say. Just from watching a few hours of these guys you will have some knowlege of what you need to grow.

If we were to have a dispensary, all this knowlege could be shown in front of patients, then have them do it them selves, so no qestions are left unanswered. Even if a light is needed they can be baught for very cheep online, and all other things needed can be bought at lows or home depot.

People are always quickly detered to grow when it comess to lack of knowlege, but in the mountains I have run into herb growing naturaly. The reson I know it is natural is because it is always their every year, full of seeds and mostly stringgy hemo looking very few buds sites. So right their that proves their are strains that will grow in the natural NM environment. It is all a matter of having it hiden and compliing with the rest of the Medical application needs.

It is posibble to have no knowlege of plants or food or dirt, and have a successfull grow, I have seen it. More than likely it will not be medical grade but it is a start, but more than that, if given the knowlege and shown the way, I am very confident anyone could have succesfull medical grow for themselves, the dispensarary is just for finding what strain is best for that individual patient.
In the despansary they would have axcess to seeds, clones, baked goods, buds, hash, and knowlege of those who do it all day every day. That is the biggest reson for a dispensary, because once everyone sees and learns how easy it is to grow, then growing for your self is the best way, their are lots of care takers, but few with the knowlege needed.
that is what the dispensary is for, buying bud is only one of the benifits, haveing a choice of dozens and dozens, of strains, is one of the biggest positives for a dispensary. While I was in Oakstedam I talked for a while with a elderly lady who was not convinced she knew enough about growing. While we were sitting in the class listening to the instructor speek, she was telling me she grows the most beautifull flowers. And it turns out growing flowers is much harder than groing herb, she just needed to see how easy it was, in the end she was givning sugestions to the instructor, and he was even suppreised. She already knew how to prepare water, and soil, she just never grew Cannabis before.
I know for a fact, once people hone in on what strain they find helps them the most, they will be buying more clones and seeds, than bud, and realy that is the goal. And the dispenasry will move more towared, growing those extremly expotic strains, such as sativas, those strains which they would normaly not grow on their own beacause of a higher skill level...mostly.

that is why we need a dispenasary, not just to buy herb, but for the knowlege it should bring, to the state. A place where pateints can come and hang out and learn even if it is learning from hangout and watching video. Alot of people have never seen, shows like SUPER HIGH ME or Hemplands, or Stain Hunters. Strain hunters or any GREEN HOUSE SEED COMPANY, video is highly advised to veiw if you have never seen it, their on youtube if you cant find them else where. Thats why people still have these stigmatas of.....But ill be put on a list,........or its not federaly legal..............., or whats the point.

if their is a list who is to say they cant pencil you in, so to say when they want to. and the resone we all are in it because the numbers can not denie even to the feds that this state wants medical cannabis, Cali has had their problems, but it is somewhat rare to hear about feds going after individuals and not dispensaries. Those numbers that they have is what we need here, when the cards are in the 1000's no one can denie what the state wants.
as to the point, being able to cary 6 onces on you and its legeal is enough of a resone for me. I have been caught up in the system in the past, it is no slap on the wrist, especialy when their just looking for stuff to tag on you, a drug charge, and a speeding ticket, or a drug charge and a wepon in your possesion, it builds up quick and all you were doing was picking up in that old red truck, and got a speeding ticket. jails here are still full of people who got itno it with the wrong cop and realy all they had was a foul mouth and a sack of herb on em.

ChrisIndica

03-12-2009, 06:08 PM

mad, please post links with the information on soil grows being better than hydro. Hydro is proven to be a faster finisher than soil in the 1-2 week range.

And with temps outside reaching over 80 degrees Fahrenheit outside many days of the year, this will severely retard any growth that may have otherwise occurred in a regulated environment.

Growing inside allows up to six crops per year. You get to regulate every aspect of plant development. True plants will get more light outside, but anything over the 10,000 lumen range the plant will just metabolize out of its system anyway. Proper lighting and space will circumvent this and allow much better quality buds to be produced.

This is only possible in a greenhouse with huge tarps covering the crop to regulate the amount of light plants will recieve, Most of which are far too cumbersome for one individual let alone someone with a debilitating business. And you still have the temperature issue of many months with 100 + degree temps. AND there's also the security issue of anyone coming along and stealing your garden.

MadSativa

03-13-2009, 07:40 AM

Your right hydro does finish faster, and is possible to produce higher yeild and from what I hear even a higher potency.
But most cannabis cup winners if not all (other than the old hydro cups) are soil grown, not outdoor but indoor. And to the novice Soil is relativly easy to manage, but to some hydro is quickly picked up and easy as well.
Their is nothing better than outdoor though no light made can mimic the sun, but with the NM program outdoor is mostly out of the question.
The price of green houses alone are far more than a indoor grow, and for despencery resons hydro would be a good resone to go but all strickly hydro is also not good. In soil taste is know to improve greatly and the levels of potency dont go up that much in comparison to hydro. I would think both would be used; hydro for Lab Control and testing, and Soil for those certin phonotypes, that you want to offer to the public.

Ill tell you when you see a plant in the ground after a thunder storm, their is no denieing, the power of nature. Some of the best Cannabis was made naturaly in environment like NM, (mostly Northern NM but theri are places as far south as ABQ where the temp in summer never goes above 78-80 F.) such as Northern Lights, and many other Indicas. As far as the Desert part of NM I think hemp might do well but anything with THC probly not so well

Doobee

03-16-2009, 09:24 PM

Thanks for your encouragement, as it helps plenty.

I've come a long way is likely an understatement.

Up until about 6 months ago I was very much opposed to any legaliztion of cannabis.
Still am for all other drugs and want booze taxed the daylights out of as are cigarettes, tobacco.
My change in attitude, opinion based on facts, etc was an unexpected turn of events.
It started with my notion that I wanted to try that all praised high-grade medical quality of California fame.
I'd not had a toke for decades pretty much and my neighbors enjoyed the crappy Mex which led me to partaking with them and so on it went.
Couldn't have cared less if I got a buzz every night or once every few months.
Well my neighbor's failing time and again to score even a 1/4 of the swag led me to ask around.
A person knew a person from California who smokes the med grade.
Took weeks to come about but it did.
In the month and more that followed...I saw a welcomed change in my day to day life.
Body and joint pain left me and the associated depression lifted quite a bit.
My once always lost motovation to do much of anything chores wise began to return and other improvements were noticed.
All of what I experienced was unknown by me and so it was I began my search to learn why.
When I saw the facts in and our own government making false claims and all I realized even though I was current on the nuances, I was far behind in the actual facts.
As I did my research I discovered Rick Simpson and his discovery.
That cancer can be cured and with nothing more than some consentrated THC oil.
http://www.phoenixtears.ca/index.html

After I went thru a nightmare of emotions realizing my mom and dad, grand mother, might well have been alive this day had our government not lied, I settled into how it all applies to me and my life.

Having little money on a modest, fixed income and no real source to even buy some high grade med quality I did what I could.

Even the crappy Mex did more and so much sooner than even I could believe and I saw the results with my own eyes on my own face.
I was shocked and doubting my eyes.

Four days and two applications of THC honey from crappy weed did what I thought was merely an exagerated fair tale.
The several cancer places on my face were gone.
Gone!!
Alas they have returned because I did not keep up the routine, as I ran out and the cannabis was skittish to even buy.
A gay guy up the street was getting me some bud when available and knew about my medical use of it.
He is a flaming prissy kinda queer and thought I was odd at the very least to use pot as a medical benefit.
Well, he had a spot on his precious forehead from a stick poking him last summer and it never scabbed over and healed.
Always the scab coming off and the small open area that was damp from drainage.
He saw my forehead two days after I used the THC honey(oil) and was estatic.
Soooo....me the nice guy had him come over and I made some THC oil for him and applied it and put a bandage over it.
Unlike me who did not use a bandage full of the oil and is really what's needed.:wtf:
He ignored my instructions to let it be for a few days until he went to his dermatologist for an exam to have that unhealed unjury looked at to then later be removed.
18 hours later here he was at my door with all the drama a queen could ever have.
His forehead looked fine and no unslightly bugger of an old wound.
He now was elated he looked so much prettier and he could now go to all the Pride Parades on the West coast!
His doctor examined the spot and only saw a healed tiny bump and no cancer from the Q-tip swabbing.
Well no shit!
The cancer was killed so no swab would find any.
The gay guy told the doc of my treatment for him and even mine and how great it actually worked.
the doctor told him there are many false healings from many a home remedies and not to make anything of it.

Now, my young 20s something neighbors are both in the medical field and saw all the before and after results and could only say maybe it worked, likely not.
Why?
Because if cannabis does kill cancer and cures, then everybody would have known about it and cancer would be cured.
Where's all the documented studies they asked?
I told them and steered them to the places to start learning from.
They still are of the insistant opinion that there's little known and surely no cures to be of note worthy attention.

If anything, I've learned just how difficult it is to sway others by way of the facts.
Also learned why the move towards legalization is met with brick walls and negative public opinions.

A weed of a plant that cures and helps medically and has no lethal dose nor complictions in light of how well it works.

Too easy and too simple.

And all along in full view in our faces.

And I could really appreciate your knowledge and help soon when I get the set-up for a grow,
I am planning on a hydroponic system cabinet as soon as my property sells and the money is in the bank.
To think a higher, up to 40% more yeild, would result in this way of growing seems to make sense not to grow any other way.

I have the beans now so all's left is everything else. ~sigh~

Got a dozen super white haze that is supposed to have a 8 week harvest time.
By the end of June I hope to have a couple of Mason jars full of sticky sweet buds!
Meanwhile....I so badly need some high grade to keep up with the cancer treatment.
Hence, why I have to consider moving to California or Oregon.

Here in Albuquerque those who have the high grade won't sell any and those who would do not have any.

Kinda pisses me off when another can get some high grade for me but won't because I am not a bonified mmj card holder and the Cause is in danger if they dare sold any to any no-card criminal.

These same hypocrites don't have their mmj card and so buy their cannabis illegally...from yet another who is not a mmj card holder.

Maybe it's me....dunno.

But if I had access to the high grade and someone asked me to get it for them and they were atleast serious in their endeavors medically, I would be more than happy to and would do everything and then some so I could to score for them.
For damn certain if I had my own grown I would let them purchase what they needed from me and I'd keep them in supply so long as they needed and I had buds ready for them to dump in a bowl.
I can understand the logic not providing for a teenager stoner who was a drain on the Cause.
But to cop-out with a grown, mature and responsible adult??
No way.

Sooooooooo far to go it seems.

Doob, that's an amazing story and a true testament to the medicinal qualities of MMJ, I'm sure if you had the quality and quantity of medicine you needed your symptoms would be alleviated all the much more. Your situation is dire when moving across the country becomes a realization for your well-being. And I believe you need to improve the quality of your life by making that medicine more available to you. But as you mentioned there's a lot needed to start up your own MMJ grow. Having a bachelors degree in plant biology; I know that it's a big endeavor setting up/maintaining hydroponic systems. It's easy to mess up and has a high start-up cost and requires a lot of specialized machines, tools, materials, and space.

What your doing is absolutely not wrong and you need access to your medicine.

MadSativa

03-18-2009, 03:44 AM

I am confused, your are using cannabis as a topicial agent, as in a medicin to a cure?? I have not ever heard of this, I know we do not know alot of this plant but this .......this is well I have no words for this, this sounds AMAZING! It would not supprise me, but I did not expect this kinda of "cure" you say you apply the cannabis oil, you mean oil extract or oil infused with cannibis though heat? You say you apply it to the wound, or is it a cancer sore? I think if you are seeing evidence in the positive, you need to write a paper and send it off to the medical Universitys, such as UCLA, or Berkely, EVEN give The guys at Oaksterdam University, a heads up about this, becuase you truly might be on to something, .....I have never even herd of a topical cannabis agent other that lip balm or lotion, and I think they use hemp in these products, not THC, I have herd of smoking to aleviate pain form sever burns, even smoking to help skin conitions, such as sunburn, but never in a topical form. I have herd of ancient uses where they used it as you are saying, but they are close to 1000 years old, and I never thought much truth to it, because I did not know the process in which they were using it. Whether they were rubbing buds on their skin or making a oil extraction.

I realy think you need to share this with people who would find it usufull, such as people in the medical testing feild, that are pro Cannabis, so we dont have to worry about, false tests.

ChrisIndica

03-18-2009, 06:47 PM

Helping a Medical patient get a hydro-set up this week. Just need to drop in the clones and she's all set. Purchased a 4'x4' complete NFT system for under $70 with most parts coming from home depot. Not including light or nutrients.

Light is a 90w LED light??? I've only heard of these before but never in operation before. I'm really excited about this b/c it's supposed to have the same output as a 600w HID HPS light, use 1/8th of the energy, very little heat, last 10x longer, and b/c it uses only the two spectrums of light that the MJ plant absorbs at optimum wavelengths red and blue, glows purple and grows purple buds.

Going with foxfarm brand of liquid ferts with one soluble. I like them b/c they have charts available with a soil AND hydro schedule of amounts to feed per gallon. Grow big, big bloom, tiger bloom, and cha ching. Cha ching is a product unlike any other I have ever seen in that it's an essential oil promoter. You know that nice aroma and taste that the herb has? those are called terpins, or essential oils. Well this product in addition to making the buds really dense, makes the productions of those terpins go crazy. make it very pungent and stinky! in the last couple weeks is when u really notice the difference. I also like the general hydroponics system for it's ease of use. In my experiences; using chemical based nutes over organic promotes a harsher smoke, even when leeched properly.

Overall should be a very nice setup and with proper care and maintenence, provide all the medicine she needs to help with her condition.

Doobee

03-19-2009, 11:00 PM

Hi ChrisIndica

I tried for a couple of days to reply here on this post....but alas this site is lacking tuning.:wtf:
That is, many times the posts will not show up.:mad:

This is an ideal example of knowledge is money.

I've been looking into a complete hydro system cabinet.
Includes everything.
The price is about $2000.00!
Granted, it IS complete...but soooo much $$$$.

I have super white haze seeds for my first grow now but hesitate dropping one into a pot w/o any grow lights, etc. in the meantime while I stay poor.

What you did for another is quite generous of you.

The LEDs are very...VERY expensive and so I assume the $70.00 does not include the LED?
If one is able to spend alot for LED grow lights then the running cost is drastically reduced.
I have used LEDs for my Deco lamp and glass displays and they are great.
They are not hot and use so very little electricity they can be lit anywhere without concern.

Anyways.

I should have some money available in a couple of weeks so I am seriously getting down to bizzness so I too can get growing and going.

I would more than ever appreciate your help if you are inclined to.

The seeds I got are stated to flower in 6-8 weeks to harvest in 8 to 10.

I'm fairly well versed on the overall but am clueless about the nutes and details like start and pot replants add whatever else.

I've read thru many reads on beginner grows and such but the infomation and particularly the steps all in all become a haze of confusion.
That is to say the overall picture is lacking terribly.

Like most any learning curve there are phases to go thru and in short time everything becomes simplier and clearer.
But until such time I cannot afford to ruin the whole grow as a learning experience.
Realize there will be blunders and I expect such.

I've learned alot and yet my thoughts are I learned pretty much little to nothing.
And I really don't want to read off of step by step by page instructions.
I know me and I would be buried in quagmire going step by step by step over and over until my brain will take in the all if it all.

Helping a Medical patient get a hydro-set up this week. Just need to drop in the clones and she's all set. Purchased a 4'x4' complete NFT system for under $70 with most parts coming from home depot. Not including light or nutrients.

Light is a 90w LED light??? I've only heard of these before but never in operation before. I'm really excited about this b/c it's supposed to have the same output as a 600w HID HPS light, use 1/8th of the energy, very little heat, last 10x longer, and b/c it uses only the two spectrums of light that the MJ plant absorbs at optimum wavelengths red and blue, glows purple and grows purple buds.

Going with foxfarm brand of liquid ferts with one soluble. I like them b/c they have charts available with a soil AND hydro schedule of amounts to feed per gallon. Grow big, big bloom, tiger bloom, and cha ching. Cha ching is a product unlike any other I have ever seen in that it's an essential oil promoter. You know that nice aroma and taste that the herb has? those are called terpins, or essential oils. Well this product in addition to making the buds really dense, makes the productions of those terpins go crazy. make it very pungent and stinky! in the last couple weeks is when u really notice the difference. I also like the general hydroponics system for it's ease of use. In my experiences; using chemical based nutes over organic promotes a harsher smoke, even when leeched properly.

Overall should be a very nice setup and with proper care and maintenence, provide all the medicine she needs to help with her condition.

MadSativa

03-20-2009, 01:20 PM

2000 jesus you are only allowed to grow 4 flowering plants, at that rate, even keeping a mother is not advisable, it is cheaper and better to have 4 massive plants and one huge light such as a 600W or a 1000W. A hydro set up is very cheep. from 50- 200 dollars for the best, more so enviormental controls are more expensive, but your room is small so a grow ten would be best. But if you have room, sheet rock and 2x4 are the same price about a 120 bucks. a hydro system can be perchased for the same. 2000 is a very high amount for such a small grow room. I think in the minimum, including a light you are looking at 1000, in the max with light you are looking at 2000 and that is including CO2 and a complete enviormantal control system.

Also the LED UFO type lights sound good, but I have seen some grows with it personaly, and I am not convinced, on the LED craze. but a lumitek digital ballaest I am. they are sold at AHL on SanMateo. I have had experiance with all the ballest, from sunfarm to Bghydro, and the best I have found are the new type lumateck, power consuption goes down but, light out put gows up. If you get a 1000W the power consuption rarley gets any where close to 900W consumption, but the lumin output is usually much more than a traditional ballest.

Whate ever you choose, I highly advise a cool toob or a any sun cool system, and use a rather big fan to push some cool air into it. Also vent the air out side the room or outside entireely .In such a small space, heat from a 600/1000W is the biggest enemy.

Doobee

03-20-2009, 08:49 PM

The hydro cabinet automatically does everything.

I had the link saved on my desk top but will have to find it all again.

It regulates the organic nutes and even keeps the PH balanced automatically.

Basically add water from time to time when it says low on water level.

It has the in/out fans, charcoal filter and lights and is sealed and 2 sides...one for veggie/flower and the other for the 'lil potties or the mother.

Even keeps the water circulating.

Realize mighty mucho money but it is purpose built and does it ll no muss no fuss.
They say it is stealth to the point you can have it fully growing in your living room with the TV ob top of it and no one knows a thing.
No odor...no noises.

2000 jesus you are only allowed to grow 4 flowering plants, at that rate, even keeping a mother is not advisable, it is cheaper and better to have 4 massive plants and one huge light such as a 600W or a 1000W. A hydro set up is very cheep. from 50- 200 dollars for the best, more so enviormental controls are more expensive, but your room is small so a grow ten would be best. But if you have room, sheet rock and 2x4 are the same price about a 120 bucks. a hydro system can be perchased for the same. 2000 is a very high amount for such a small grow room. I think in the minimum, including a light you are looking at 1000, in the max with light you are looking at 2000 and that is including CO2 and a complete enviormantal control system.

Also the LED UFO type lights sound good, but I have seen some grows with it personaly, and I am not convinced, on the LED craze. but a lumitek digital ballaest I am. they are sold at AHL on SanMateo. I have had experiance with all the ballest, from sunfarm to Bghydro, and the best I have found are the new type lumateck, power consuption goes down but, light out put gows up. If you get a 1000W the power consuption rarley gets any where close to 900W consumption, but the lumin output is usually much more than a traditional ballest.

Whate ever you choose, I highly advise a cool toob or a any sun cool system, and use a rather big fan to push some cool air into it. Also vent the air out side the room or outside entireely .In such a small space, heat from a 600/1000W is the biggest enemy.

MadSativa

03-21-2009, 06:27 AM

Doobee, Those things are for a differant type of grow, entirely. They are more for vegtables, and other smaller plants. I saw you got some Haze, strain seeds, usualy the Haze strains are sativas, meening in a grow , they will not do well in those boxes your talking about. the hight alone is to much, sativas grow long and stingy in comparison to an indica strain. But even if you do grow, Indicas, your space is severly limited, in those grow boxes.
With the NM regulations, the best way to grow is 4 flowering large plants, meening a big 600 or 1000W light is needed, with that said, you need alot of room. Height especialy, at the smallest a 4x4x6high grow tent.
Their are people such as the Urban grower, and the guys at green house seeds, who have had success in yeilding 2 lbs per light but even more so, over 1lb per plant, using this method. The time is longer such as harvest every, 4-6 months, but the yeild is greater. In a SOG (sea of green) method you produce more and harvest about 2 times a week, but for the NM rules and regs, a SOG system is not possible (4 flowering, and 3 vegging).
Their for the larger plant system is the way to go. With that said for indicas, your hight will be no more than 5 feet max per plant, but if you go Sativas, you height could be managed in a 6 foot room, anything less and you are going to have problems with height and heat.
Sativas hight can max out to a very larg plant upto 20 feet, if you let it. when you put a sativa to flower leaving it smaller is better cause you know you can manage it, when it gets big you have to bend and fight heat more. All this stress is bad casing problems , from hermi to desises.

They are very cool, though they control the ph too, very cool. But to tell you the truth all that stuff is easly lerned. PH and Nutes can all be perchased in a measure and pour type of method. for the begainer, learning things like PNK or any kinda nutrient stuff, is just best in buying a measure and use type of nutrient. their are many types, Such as the "flora" or "Maxi", which you give you the option, of 2 differant bottels or bags, of nutrient, one for veg stage and one for bloom/flower stage.
I recommend starting with those, all you do is balance your filtered, measured water, and mix in the nutrient, wether it is powder or liquid. After you have a successfull grow you can spend time in learning the nutrients.
And for balancing nutrient you buy a ph test kit, for 10 dollars at AHL, they have many differant ones, I like the little bottle one with solution my self, you drop I think 3 drops into your specimin cup and look for the color and match it to the color on the indicator. Sounds confusing but when you get a ph test kit, you will see what I meen.
building a grow room is easy if you are gonna spen 2000 on one of those nice laberator type grow boxes, you would be better off spending that cash on a small grow tent or even better converting a 4x6xx8 room into a grow room, it could be 4x4x6 I just think having the extra 2 feet of hight has a big deal, especilay with those sativa strains.

So just to recap, those grow boxes are usualy a max hight of 4 feet, and can be some what wide, they are not the grow option to go for NM medical, your yeild will be small, harvest will be about every 3 months, and keeping a mother plant is also hard when growing like this, this meens for the NM type of grow, either clones or fem seeds would be the best way to go.

You can stager your plants so you harvest every month or however you like, but the yeild will be much less, as if harvesting more on the later 4-6 month larger plant option. YOu can also stager these palnts as well so you can harvest every month or month and a half, but you yeild will be much greater, in the 1 lb or more per plant. So you see for our regulations in NM medical program the larger plant system will work better.

MadSativa

03-21-2009, 06:51 AM

Box I think your talking about
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grow tent

HYDROPONICS GROW TENT 4x4x6.5 FT GROW BOX CABINET - eBay (item 250392103021 end time Mar-21-09 13:08:34 PDT) (http://cgi.ebay.com/HYDROPONICS-GROW-TENT-4x4x6-5-FT-GROW-BOX-CABINET_W0QQitemZ250392103021QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH _DefaultDomain_0?hash=item250392103021&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50)

Hydro set up for 4

DripBucket4.2 Hydro System 4 Plant + Control Bucket!! - eBay (item 370047780303 end time Mar-26-09 20:01:16 PDT) (http://cgi.ebay.com/DripBucket4-2-Hydro-System-4-Plant-Control-Bucket_W0QQitemZ370047780303QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_ DefaultDomain_0?hash=item370047780303&_trksid=p4634.c0.m14.l1262)

600W light/w digital ballest and cool system

600 watt MH HPS Lumatek Grow Light Air Cooled Kit - eBay (item 360140614187 end time Mar-22-09 20:59:04 PDT) (http://cgi.ebay.com/600-watt-MH-HPS-Lumatek-Grow-Light-Air-Cooled-Kit_W0QQitemZ360140614187QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_Def aultDomain_0?hash=item360140614187&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50)

remeber in buying a light sytem that a 220V is better than a 120V it is cheeper to run, much cheeper, some are inter changable, but most are not, so make sure to get the 220V over the 120V. you can get all of this stuff at AHL as well, but prices on Ebay are the best. also places like better grow hydro or hydro warewarhouse they sypply all the places in town so you wana get something that can be replaces or fixed in a pinch, buy going to the store in town

MadSativa

03-21-2009, 07:14 AM

one more thing I see nothing in those grow lab type boxes to regulate temperature, meening they have no air conditioning they have no heaters, they might have outlets or controllers for these but they do not have them in the unit. Those things are more for dorm room type setups, where space is limited. envermental contorls can be perchased for small rooms too, instead of paying 1000 dollars for timers and controller computers you can go with the much cheaper unit type contollers. in total you will save alot more than half I think.

Doobee I cant set up a room for you but if you take pics or ask questions I can give you the answers you need. Wether its questions to ask people at lowes or qestions to ask the AHL guys, or questions on building or ordering or mixing and growing.

Doobee

03-26-2009, 04:44 PM

I am still convinced that hydroponics is the best way to grow.:thumbsup:

All I've read and been told is hydro produces a more potent strain and the harvest time is shorter.
The plants yield more bud and THC also.
The roots are misted and no rot problems, etc.

I'm not all giddy up'd to pay $2,000 plus for a well made set-up but there is a way to get 'er done for alot less.

The LED lights are a must in my opinion.
More expensive....... yes.
But the savings in electrical bills each month will have paid for the LEDs in months.
The so very little heat from an LED is plus and then some.

Alot easier to maintain ambient temperatures when not combating extreme heat from the high intensity lights.

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one more thing I see nothing in those grow lab type boxes to regulate temperature, meening they have no air conditioning they have no heaters, they might have outlets or controllers for these but they do not have them in the unit. Those things are more for dorm room type setups, where space is limited. envermental contorls can be perchased for small rooms too, instead of paying 1000 dollars for timers and controller computers you can go with the much cheaper unit type contollers. in total you will save alot more than half I think.

Doobee I cant set up a room for you but if you take pics or ask questions I can give you the answers you need. Wether its questions to ask people at lowes or qestions to ask the AHL guys, or questions on building or ordering or mixing and growing.

MadSativa

03-26-2009, 05:33 PM

I think that the future is in LED's for grow, but is still off in bud production/ yeild. but if your set in those boxes, you are set. I know people that use em and are happy with what they have comming out of them. I only know of one person using the LEDs and hes usuing the bigest UFO type, and I do notice a differance in yeild (less yeild), but he also says that the electricity bill is almost normal, as in not much more than what he pays regulaly when the box is off. The people I know that use these boxes all share clones, and usualy keep one mother, but only for a year or so, and their mothers are all in soil. Always keep your mother in soil, after a year of hydro even the best flushed system can get root, and algee problems. But I have also seen mothers in a hydro unit. Also Indicas are what you wana grow in their, which is probly what you are going for anyway, I am an Indica guy my self, the sativas give me a racing heart kinda thing sometimes thats not to cool.

Doobee

03-26-2009, 08:52 PM

The LEDs have the best technology for spectrum correct light and thus will offer the best for any plant grow.

So far as your friend and the yield?
Should the grow have been less in production, then the factors are many and just what was off is up to more than faulting the lights alone.

My preference is sativa and the more so the better.:thumbsup:

Indicta makes me so lazy, it takes me an hour at least to get up for a drink of water.
With sativa, I can easily regulate many areas of its effects.
That is, I may be getting hungry...munchies...and one or two small hits will take away the hunger for a few more hours.
If I get sleepy then all I have to do is take another hit or two an I'm awake for a few more hours.
Good high grade sativa removes my joint/body aches all the while giving me more energy and motovation.

BTW.....

You asked about my having skin cancer and how to cure with cannabis and all....
How is you've never heard of Rick Simpson for all the warrior work done in the years you have is wild.

Cure Cancer with Hemp Oil - Phoenix Tears (http://www.phoenixtears.ca/index.html)

THC cures cancer and brain tumors and a host of other deadly illnesses as you likely know.
I have basal cell carcinoma and had surgeries to try and remove the cancer when it shows up.
Now?
Now I can simply and easily rub a dab of THC oil/concentrate on the cancer spot(s) and place a bandaid over it to keep from rubbing off and re-apply a few times in the course of a week and in 3 to 4 days...the cancer is GONE.

GONE...as is gone...no trace or even blemish.:jointsmile:

If ANYONE here has cancer then please let me know so you too can be rid of the cancer.

No mess and no fuss.

I think that the future is in LED's for grow, but is still off in bud production/ yeild. but if your set in those boxes, you are set. I know people that use em and are happy with what they have comming out of them. I only know of one person using the LEDs and hes usuing the bigest UFO type, and I do notice a differance in yeild (less yeild), but he also says that the electricity bill is almost normal, as in not much more than what he pays regulaly when the box is off. The people I know that use these boxes all share clones, and usualy keep one mother, but only for a year or so, and their mothers are all in soil. Always keep your mother in soil, after a year of hydro even the best flushed system can get root, and algee problems. But I have also seen mothers in a hydro unit. Also Indicas are what you wana grow in their, which is probly what you are going for anyway, I am an Indica guy my self, the sativas give me a racing heart kinda thing sometimes thats not to cool.

MadSativa

03-27-2009, 07:32 AM

Rick Simpson? the name does sound familure but I dont think I have heard of him.

I did not know of cannabis being a cure, I have heard of helping by making the way of life much more comfortable, which in itself can be a cure. This is the first I have heard of a cure from cannabis, but like I said it does not supprise me, their is so much we dont know about this plant. It is amazing the things you learn every day, I will definitly be asking and telling pepole about this. I dont have much experiance with cancer (luckely) but I know even for kemo that cannabis helps a great deal both in fighting the bad effects of kemo, and helping with lving a bit more normal of a life. I hope you have a good first grow, you realy might wana start flower when your plants are only a foot or less. I wouldnt even let em get bigger than 6 inches, because when they flower there gonna finish big. For Sativas I like the NYC deisle it was my fav last year, also a strain called bluegass which I only tried once and that 1/8 went very quick (it was at the 2004 CUP). Bluegass is blubery X NYC Desile, very mix of sativa and indica, but indica is sstill alot in the blue gas.
best of luck hope you feel well, again if you got questions, let em fly if I cant answer em, their are so many people here who specialize in hydro only. Me I wana try hydro while brewing my own tea or nutes. I dont have experiance with this, but have heard very promissing things about growing with truly organic nutrients in a hydro setup. I cant wait to get my room going, gotta get that medical card though, I already know my first crop, gonna be the cheese, and probbly white rhino, and if I feel like getting another strain in their definitly bubblegum. I think 2 of each strain will do though, I just dont wana ask for seeds from a freind have him ask hey how is the bubble gum and I didnt even get it started, so I just might go with the 2 of each strain instead f 4 differant ones or even 3 differant ones.

painretreat

03-27-2009, 05:33 PM

Good read, interesting thread, nice to see you being so helpful MS, a joy to see your patience and kindness to spread the skill! rep 2 U!

West Coast Green Leaf: is a paper on the west coast of Calif. that speaks of some cancer cures with THC. The bottom line was; Not enough THC=no response to cancer. Too much: Same result--either way it was a very moderate amount that cured it. Mostly it was brain cancer and did have an effect on Altzheimers. So, when in doubt--more THC! When they study it, it will be tincture under the tongue doseage, surely!! :thumbsup:
:hippy:

Doobee

03-27-2009, 06:43 PM

Rick Simpson is a healer not a dealer and no relationship to Homer or Bart.:smokin:

Cure Cancer with Hemp Oil - Phoenix Tears

Look up "The Rick Simpson Story" and there will be 7 short videos about Rick and the great costs he paid many times over for his undying efforts to help cure cancer patients (many who were in their final throws of death) and others.
Thanks to Rick, Canada is now contracting with a US pharmaceutical company to grow cannabis over seas to then make THC oil concentrate, to then sell to their citizens with cancer.

My earnest guess is the US will follow suit and will have the THC oil legalized by prescription within the next three to five years....max.
WHY?
Because the cure for cancer is getting out and THE CURE is CANNABIS/HEMP OIL.
Already by now there are patients who have been cured of their deadly cancer and they talk.
I am one of those patients now and I talk with alot of heart, tenacity and passionate arrogance.

Indeed, I (and we) will take on those to be at the UNM Cancer Research Center.....very soon.:thumbsup:
I will set up a time to speak with the key doctor(s) at the center and share the before and after photos of my own success with curing basal cell carcinoma, along with the facts remaining from Rick and a host of other sources.
Then, expecting a less than welcome and openly dishonest discourse, I will instigate a media confrontation.
The three main media outlets...channel 4, 7 and 13 will be contacted and notified there will be a news worthy confrontation at the UNM Cancer Research Center.
With media in tow, go on camera and confront the doctor or doctors who scurry out to save face...or not.
They will be offered a public challenge for all to see.
We get a cancer patient willing to be cured and the Cancer Center can document the progress.
Progress that takes days, not years, and one that cures.
Allow the controversy to run its course all the while some one got cured of their cancer.
I sincerely as ever have no doubt that many will tune in and many will seek more about the hemp oil and its short but proven history to be a cure for cancer.
The sweet victory in doing this is, it will be a win/win no matter if the doctors take part in a controlled test or not.
If they do...success will be seen.
If they do not...then the success will be seen without them and they in turn will be seen as the closed minded doctors they are.
Bottom line the public in the Albuquerque and greater New Mexico area will learn about cannabis and the THC oil that cures.
Hopefully this action will grow legs with the national media and will take off accordingly.
May not but to whatever extent it does will be enough to gain much in the concerted efforts to legalize cannabis.

To be a warrior on the cannabis legalize front, one sincerely needs to be informed and up to date.
This is intended to say we all have a duty as it were to be well informed with the facts about cannabis as they relate to all in many a diverse ways.

Cancer, brain tumors, MS, depression, anxiety, Parkinson's as but a few and the list goes on, within limits, but none the less many cures are well documented.

Chemo kills 60% plus of the cancer patients who go that route and less than 10% benefit.
Further more, cancer patients who go thru chemo therapy have greatly reduced their life span where other wise without chemo they'd live longer regardless.

My fun will be taking on the crappy American Cancer Society!

These assholes know damn good and well cannabis oil is curing cancer patients and they lie boldly saying there's just too much research needed for it to be promising and they are there to help patients find a cure and not false hopes.
My mother dies of breast cancer when I was 9 years old in 1960.
The ACS has not improved the life of cancer patients since then and make no bones about it...they don't want to.:wtf:
Too much money in placating a decease that reaps fortunes year after decade after one life then another and another.

Rick Simpson? the name does sound familure but I dont think I have heard of him.

I did not know of cannabis being a cure, I have heard of helping by making the way of life much more comfortable, which in itself can be a cure. This is the first I have heard of a cure from cannabis, but like I said it does not supprise me, their is so much we dont know about this plant. It is amazing the things you learn every day, I will definitly be asking and telling pepole about this. I dont have much experiance with cancer (luckely) but I know even for kemo that cannabis helps a great deal both in fighting the bad effects of kemo, and helping with lving a bit more normal of a life. I hope you have a good first grow, you realy might wana start flower when your plants are only a foot or less. I wouldnt even let em get bigger than 6 inches, because when they flower there gonna finish big. For Sativas I like the NYC deisle it was my fav last year, also a strain called bluegass which I only tried once and that 1/8 went very quick (it was at the 2004 CUP). Bluegass is blubery X NYC Desile, very mix of sativa and indica, but indica is sstill alot in the blue gas.
best of luck hope you feel well, again if you got questions, let em fly if I cant answer em, their are so many people here who specialize in hydro only. Me I wana try hydro while brewing my own tea or nutes. I dont have experiance with this, but have heard very promissing things about growing with truly organic nutrients in a hydro setup. I cant wait to get my room going, gotta get that medical card though, I already know my first crop, gonna be the cheese, and probbly white rhino, and if I feel like getting another strain in their definitly bubblegum. I think 2 of each strain will do though, I just dont wana ask for seeds from a freind have him ask hey how is the bubble gum and I didnt even get it started, so I just might go with the 2 of each strain instead f 4 differant ones or even 3 differant ones.

MadSativa

03-27-2009, 10:02 PM

I am skeptical about he US going in with anyone to get a cure out of Cannabis, thier has been a cure for skin cancer and some say all cancers for close to 10 years now, and still we have no idea that it exzists, the same for HIV. Their is a working cure however it is not public and sofar only cured 2 people that I know of, and thier story is not being heard. I know it had something to do with a bone marrow transplant that made it public, but before that it was in a chmical form of cure that I heard about.

Good luck and godspeed you are definitly putting in your work as a cannabis warrior. When the fact is over 90% are cured from cannabis oil they can not deny the truth, and if they do if well documented the truth will be in everyones face, and that is undenyable.

MadSativa

03-27-2009, 10:14 PM

Good read, interesting thread, nice to see you being so helpful MS, a joy to see your patience and kindness to spread the skill! rep 2 U!
When they study it, it will be tincture under the tongue doseage, surely!! :thumbsup:
:hippy:

Thanks Pain I try, its easyer here on the net I have pepole tell me all the time that they refer other people to this site and to look me up. But in doing so they find all of you as well who are all full of good information, and a positive look at Cannabis, as most other cannabis sites just offer humor and milk shots. Not that I dont like that too, I am active on alot of forums but this is the only one where I spend more than minutes on.

I have seen that sray under the toung, it was at this years cup, I didnt go but In know peopel who did and saw some vid of it. It sounds amazing one spray instant high, 3 sprays and your on the couch, amazing

....The edit time change to 10min now....haha double post

Doobee

03-28-2009, 01:03 AM

I can easily see why you doubt, when a decade shows a snail's pace.

And yet, to think how far the public's perception has been swayed over to legalizing cannabis...?

And to realize the time in the last 5 to 7 years since the 35 year study came to a conclusion....not all that long ago.

An awful lot of headway has been rewarded considering the 75 years of social stigma that challenges every step along the way.

Ya come a looong way Mad!:jumphappy:

Thanks for your long time efforts... which makes it easier for those to follow.:thumbsup:

I am skeptical about he US going in with anyone to get a cure out of Cannabis, thier has been a cure for skin cancer and some say all cancers for close to 10 years now, and still we have no idea that it exzists, the same for HIV. Their is a working cure however it is not public and sofar only cured 2 people that I know of, and thier story is not being heard. I know it had something to do with a bone marrow transplant that made it public, but before that it was in a chmical form of cure that I heard about.

Good luck and godspeed you are definitly putting in your work as a cannabis warrior. When the fact is over 90% are cured from cannabis oil they can not deny the truth, and if they do if well documented the truth will be in everyones face, and that is undenyable.

MadSativa

03-28-2009, 06:48 PM

That is not why I am skeptical, I am skeptical becasue our government has a track recored of covering up or hiding cures from the public. I am skeptical becasue their is evidance and odd behavior of the government not protecting, the Bill Of Rights, and the Decloration Of Independance, and I fear in the future we will not have alot of freedoms we have now, and I am not talking about Cannabis.

VicinAZ

04-04-2009, 08:37 AM

Amen, brother.

That is not why I am skeptical, I am skeptical becasue our government has a track recored of covering up or hiding cures from the public. I am skeptical becasue their is evidance and odd behavior of the government not protecting, the Bill Of Rights, and the Decloration Of Independance, and I fear in the future we will not have alot of freedoms we have now, and I am not talking about Cannabis.

Can you say "demolition man"? :mad:

Weedhound

04-04-2009, 05:25 PM

Guess what? I developed lung cancer while ingesting mmj on a daily basis...... I did not smoke it, but ate it orally. Did it keep my cancer away? HELL NO! Would I have died if I had not done standard chemotherapy? HELL YES! Point that camera my way; I'll be happy to tell my story. And personally I'd like I'd like to hear from the patients; not the doctors. I love all you people who claim to be "looking out for mankind." and believing that everyone out there is "the enemy." Cannabis MAY have a place SOMEWHERE but I'll be damned if I'm going to let the people without cancer be told that standard treatment kills 60% of the people and the doctors are all hiding the cure to serve their own needs. It's people like YOU who make the world hopeless; playing in your little world outside of reality. STANDARD DOCTORS using STANDARD treatments saved me.......Not the paranoia that runs rampant through you folks. You people are already ruined; scared of your own shadows.

MadSativa

04-05-2009, 12:33 AM

Im not exactly sure, what your defense is, but I am sorry you got Cancer and I am glad the Doctors saved you, but if their was a cure in some room somewhere, that no Doctor knows about that works in the public sector. What would you feel then? They denied you a treatment or a cure that would have taken allot less time in getting you healthy.
I know you are like that is not possible, because my doctor knows everything, and he/she is here to help me. But for one second think if their was an organization of doctors out their doing research in everything from diseases to human Jean reconstructing. What if they are not only years ahead but generations ahead, in technology and science. I know you are like the world is one earth and it is solid and true, but already we have cures in the past and even evidence of cures right now being covered up and withheld from the public sector. Just this last year in 08 2 people were cured of HIV, in Africa, all I know is it had something to do with a bone marrow transplant. But about 10 years before their was talk of a person being cured of HIV, but all the story has disappeared or been deemed as fiction. But one thing I do remember about the 10 year old fiction story, is it was after a bone marrow transplant that the woman found she no longer had breast cancer, even though no treatment had been started in here breast cancer. I remember the story as "a Miracle happened to me the day I found out I had breast cancer". Well coincidences are just a word or to some people, but to me mathematically coincidences are no more than patterns. And logically if you look for the truth logically their is something going on. I know by now you are like this guy and his stupid stories, but tell me this. The 2 people in Africa that were cured of HIV and the donor of the marrow, what happened to them, what happened to the research, what happened to the story of finding the cure for a plague of mankind in our generation? When looking or hunting these matters, it is what is left out of the story or what is missing from the story that you have to read into. Especially if they always have a pattern in missing information, or missing evidence. The news the paper all information given to the public has to be taken in this manner. Remember they do control what comes on in our nightly news, otherwise we would see the real story of our troops in action after the fact, and our troops would have more information of what is happening back home during their service in country.

Doobee

04-22-2009, 05:39 PM

You really want to hash this out with a cancer patient?

Well here I am buttwipe.

And there are others who will take you to task as well.

My life has been riddled with cancer deaths in my family and I have cancer as well.
I have had two surgeries to date and cosmetic surgery that followed.

Want to see?
Have a good look and then tell me and all others more about your lameass folly to deal with your own failings.

You are full of it and "it" is stupidity.

You did NOT get cancer from oral ingestion of cannabis oil or any other form of cannabis... baked, boiled, cooked or otherwise.

The FACTS are available as you've been given enough to go on, should you care enough to seek the reality and not the played out hype in tow with your doctor.
Chemo kills more patients than any who are cured.....60% is the most conservative figure to date.
Less than 20% are known to be in remission and/or cured.
Chemo kills more healthy cells than cancer cells and this is a FACT.
Chemo breaks down the immune system, causes weight loss and rapes the body of needed protiens, minerals, calories and weakens the body and its ability to fight, defend itself, etc.

Had you injested cannabis oil concentrate in dosages required then you would have been cured.

Advanced cancer requires several doses a day in the form of THC concentrate up to the amount of 2, 3 ounces of concentrate per month in phase.
Patient cases when the cancer is so advanced the patient is given months at most to live.
These patients were cured within months and the same doctors that gave chemo and radiation and have the exam results saw first hand the cancer not only began remission but was gone...cured.

Did you go to Phoenix Tears and do some looking into as you surely should have done prior to making an ass out of yourself?
NO you have not and it shows readily by your ignorance fueled by anger and dissapointment with your own cancer.

I had never been some paranoid idiot who thinks our government would keep a cure of cancer from the public.
When I took to task my own view point, only then did I begin to realize that yes, our own government has been lying to us and in fact has patiented cannabis as a medical cure years ago.
Alot is going on in the back ground and you can reach the prevailing truth should you really care past your own pity party.

Bring it on.

But before you do?

Bring some intelligence and facts along with you.

BTW...the photo shoot of the after results have been taken care of and speak for themselves.
And hold onto your peas!
The scar tissue has began to become healthy normal tissue and the associated nerve damage and resulting life long pain spikes have already gone as well!
This surgery is on my right chest area and at 3 by 5 inches in size.
Now it is 1 by 3 inches and the deep gouge down to my ribs has begun to fill in with repaired and healthy muscle/tissue cells.

Once again here are just a few of the many links that will take you from ignorant to smarter than not.

Cure Cancer with Hemp Oil - Phoenix Tears (http://www.phoenixtears.ca/)

Medical Marijuana | Drug War Facts (http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/54)

Office of National Drug Control Policy -- Publications -- Medical Marijuana Reality Check (http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/drugfact/factsht/medical_marijuana.html)

ACS :: Marijuana (http://www.cancer.org/docroot/ETO/content/ETO_5_3X_Marijuana.asp)

Marijuana Use in Supportive Care for Cancer - National Cancer Institute (http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Support/marijuana)

Cannabinoids as antioxidants and neuroprotectants - US Patent 6630507 Description (http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6630507/description.html)

Guess what? I developed lung cancer while ingesting mmj on a daily basis...... I did not smoke it, but ate it orally. Did it keep my cancer away? HELL NO! Would I have died if I had not done standard chemotherapy? HELL YES! Point that camera my way; I'll be happy to tell my story. And personally I'd like I'd like to hear from the patients; not the doctors. I love all you people who claim to be "looking out for mankind." and believing that everyone out there is "the enemy." Cannabis MAY have a place SOMEWHERE but I'll be damned if I'm going to let the people without cancer be told that standard treatment kills 60% of the people and the doctors are all hiding the cure to serve their own needs. It's people like YOU who make the world hopeless; playing in your little world outside of reality. STANDARD DOCTORS using STANDARD treatments saved me.......Not the paranoia that runs rampant through you folks. You people are already ruined; scared of your own shadows.