Russia, Venezuela plan military drills

[eg420ne]

Thanks GwB!
Putin sending planes to Caribbean | Freep.com | Detroit Free Press (http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080909/NEWS07/809090364)
MOSCOW -- Russia said Monday that it will send a naval squadron and long-range patrol planes to the Caribbean for military exercises with Venezuela -- a deployment in the Western Hemisphere unseen since the Cold War.



The move follows the U.S. deployment of warships to deliver aid to the former Soviet nation of Georgia, barely a month after Russian armor and aircraft crushed the Georgian military in a five-day war.

Russia's Foreign Ministry spokesman, Andrei Nesterenko, insisted Monday that Russia's decision to send the squadron and planes to Venezuela was made before Russia's war with Georgia.

"This deployment had been planned in advance, and it's unrelated to the current political situation," he said.

But the announcement was made just a week after Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin warned that his country would mount a response to U.S. aid shipments to Georgia.

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, an unbridled critic of U.S. foreign policy, was blunt Sunday night about the possibility that the United States might be concerned about the exercises. "Go ahead and squeal, Yankees," Chavez said in a national broadcast.

Chavez said the Russian vessels would arrive in late November or December.

State Department spokesman Sean McCormack mocked Russia's plans. If Russia really intends to send ships to the Caribbean, McCormack said, "then they found a few ships that can make it that far."
WoW!

Meanwhile, in a pointed but mostly symbolic expression of displeasure with the Russian government, President George W. Bush canceled a once-celebrated civilian nuclear cooperation deal with Russia on Monday. Bush had sent the agreement to Congress for approval in May, after a much-heralded signing by the two nations that capped two years of negotiations.

The deal would have given the United States access to state-of-the-art Russian nuclear technology, while helping it address climate change

[apocolips31]

LOL! Russia is too funny!

[ralphbuick]

The Bear is back! "Pic-nic basket!"

[flyingimam]

well here they are Two Russian bombers land in Venezuela - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/09/10/russia.venezuela/index.html?iref=mpstoryview)

[boaz]

"State Department spokesman Sean McCormack mocked Russia's plans. If Russia really intends to send ships to the Caribbean, McCormack said, "then they found a few ships that can make it that far."

:D

No need for that, Chavez' own Navy was there (see stock photo below).

[Delta9 UK]

Well if 4 passenger jets can ruin NORADs day then imagine what a couple of BlackJacks can do.

Meh... this is getting out of hand

[epilepticme]

I thought that Ronald Reagan ended the Coldwar?

[khronik]

I thought that Ronald Reagan ended the Coldwar?
Maybe Bush ran out of other types of progress to undo?

[Dutch Pimp]

I thought that Ronald Reagan ended the Coldwar?

...and what happened to our "peace dividend"?

[dragonrider]

Maybe Bush ran out of other types of progress to undo?

He's got 4 more months to precipitate WWIII. Do you think he can do it? I wouldn't bet against him!

[dragonrider]

The topic of this thread is not funny at all --- it is alarming. But I did find this part funny:


"Go ahead and squeal, Yankees," Chavez said in a national broadcast.

Oh, Chavez! With Castro dying, you must take up the mantle of most annoying Latin American communist!

[boaz]

what ever happend to the Monroe Doctrine? oh those were the days . . . my guess is we will follow with war games over South America and Russia's neighbors. somebody make some popcorn, wwwIII is about to begin.

:S1:

[the image reaper]

piss on them Commies, give me plane tickets and expenses, I'll clip both the bastards :smokin:

[rebgirl420]

They keep poking and poking and poking and poking....

And when we finally can't take it anymore and Chavez gets a slug through his fourhead the U.N. will look at us in awe.

I refuse to let Russia and Venezuala push me the fuck around. If it's ww3 sign me up.

[beachguy in thongs]

I was kind of disappointed, at the end. We need to address climate change, and, state-of-the-art Russian nuclear technology would be useful.

[Psycho4Bud]

Thanks GwB!


Maybe Bush ran out of other types of progress to undo?


He's got 4 more months to precipitate WWIII. Do you think he can do it? I wouldn't bet against him!\

What the hell are you people going to do next year when ya can't blame the worlds problems on Bush? I guess Bush turned Chavez into an idiot.....and created Katrina....and of course planned 9-11. :rolleyes:

Russia tried to play in the America's once before with no success.....that was back when we basically had equal forces. We could do like Russia and just march on Venezualla.

Have a good one!:s4:

[dragonrider]

Russia thinks we are bogged down in Iraq, so they have been emboldened to push their interets in Georgia and now in Venezuala. It's much the same way our disaster in Vietnam led to Russina action in Afghanistan, Nicaragua, etc. They see we are pinned down or discouraged, and they move in to fill the vacume.

They also control a lot of energy resources, so they have some extra csah, and they think we cannot challenge them.

[eg420ne]

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What the hell are you people going to do next year when ya can't blame the worlds problems on Bush? I guess Bush turned Chavez into an idiot.....and created Katrina....and of course planned 9-11. :rolleyes:

Russia tried to play in the America's once before with no success.....that was back when we basically had equal forces. We could do like Russia and just march on Venezualla.

Have a good one!:s4:
hahahahaha Well sir, it is because of the Bush preemptived strike that forces all these nations to start its military up....You know like invading a country like Iraq, I'd be scared too if the USA has an preempted motive to strike anyone's country. No doubt it's the reason behind it...Oh and dont forget Georgia invaded a province which the US had a hand in, so there.....note: i do not want the russian's too close to me....And by the way the US has its military all over the world which its been like for a long long time so if its good for the USofA then its good for everyone else, you know like Israel allowed to have NUKE's but no1 else can.......

But hey i'm sure youd be verbally attacking President Barack H Obama next year;):thumbsup:

[DaBudhaStank]

Hypocrisy rules. We invade another country with fake evidence, no plan, and an incredibly flimsy moral and global reason for why we're there. But, once a country tries to defend one of it's territories, essentially FROM terrorism, we flip our shit. I guess it's because we werent the ones doing the defending, and that hurts our pride. Russia has every right to pummel Georgia into total submission, just as the North did to the South in the Civil War. The South had every right to TRY and secede from the Union, but the North also had the right to preserve the Union and dominate the opposition. Georgia was foolish, by attacking a mostly civilian city and killing over 1,500 citizens and then expecting sympathy afterwards. Are you fucking me?

Seriously, we have nothing to move on. We would voluntarily be supporting war-mongering by defending a beligerant country, even by STARTING more conflict. Also Reb, the Russian's and Venezulans aren't prodding us. At all. The caribbean isn't ours. We can't dictate who goes in and out. Yeah, Chavez is a dick, but so are we, so it's fair. I'm all for Russia on this one. Rebellion needs to be crushed with extreme prejudice if you want to keep the peace. We got lucky and beat the shit out of Britain, but that's had mixed results. Rebellion is good and all, but it's still the obligation of the home country to shut it down. Any World War III WILL be precipitated by the U.S. because we see terror and violence in every shadow and assume it's directed at us. Then when it IS directed at us we get surprised and act like we don't deserve it. We havn't done anything correct in this conflict yet, and I don't expect we ever will.

[DaBudhaStank]

what ever happend to the Monroe Doctrine? oh those were the days . . . my guess is we will follow with war games over South America and Russia's neighbors. somebody make some popcorn, wwwIII is about to begin.

:S1:

THANK YOU. For the love of god thank you. I could almost garuentee that 90% of Americans dont even know what the Monroe Doctrine is. If it were actually still used and in place, our whole lives would be a million times better off.

MY GOD! STAYING OUT OF OTHER COUNTRIES AFFAIRS SO THEY STAY OUT OF OURS???? MONSTROUS!!!

[RobPA]

hahahahaha Well sir, it is because of the Bush preemptived strike that forces all these nations to start its military up....You know like invading a country like Iraq, I'd be scared too if the USA has an preempted motive to strike anyone's country. No doubt it's the reason behind it...Oh and dont forget Georgia invaded a province which the US had a hand in, so there.....note: i do not want the russian's too close to me....And by the way the US has its military all over the world which its been like for a long long time so if its good for the USofA then its good for everyone else, you know like Israel allowed to have NUKE's but no1 else can.......

But hey i'm sure youd be verbally attacking President Barack H Obama next year;):thumbsup:

Wth??? Smoking a heavy indica tonight??? Egypt...Pakistan all on Israels doorstep, they have the nukes.. Why shouldent Israel?

[RobPA]

Thanks GwB!
Putin sending planes to Caribbean | Freep.com | Detroit Free Press (http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080909/NEWS07/809090364)
MOSCOW -- Russia said Monday that it will send a naval squadron and long-range patrol planes to the Caribbean for military exercises with Venezuela -- a deployment in the Western Hemisphere unseen since the Cold War.



The move follows the U.S. deployment of warships to deliver aid to the former Soviet nation of Georgia, barely a month after Russian armor and aircraft crushed the Georgian military in a five-day war.

Russia's Foreign Ministry spokesman, Andrei Nesterenko, insisted Monday that Russia's decision to send the squadron and planes to Venezuela was made before Russia's war with Georgia.

"This deployment had been planned in advance, and it's unrelated to the current political situation," he said.

But the announcement was made just a week after Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin warned that his country would mount a response to U.S. aid shipments to Georgia.

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, an unbridled critic of U.S. foreign policy, was blunt Sunday night about the possibility that the United States might be concerned about the exercises. "Go ahead and squeal, Yankees," Chavez said in a national broadcast.

Chavez said the Russian vessels would arrive in late November or December.

State Department spokesman Sean McCormack mocked Russia's plans. If Russia really intends to send ships to the Caribbean, McCormack said, "then they found a few ships that can make it that far."
WoW!

Meanwhile, in a pointed but mostly symbolic expression of displeasure with the Russian government, President George W. Bush canceled a once-celebrated civilian nuclear cooperation deal with Russia on Monday. Bush had sent the agreement to Congress for approval in May, after a much-heralded signing by the two nations that capped two years of negotiations.

The deal would have given the United States access to state-of-the-art Russian nuclear technology, while helping it address climate change

This also reminds me of the alarmist bullshit posted by someone who stated all these wargames in front of Iran and that while there the US would be attacking!!!! Funny half those ships are back here in our waters lol.

[The Figment]

They keep poking and poking and poking and poking....

And when we finally can't take it anymore and Chavez gets a slug through his fourhead the U.N. will look at us in awe.

I refuse to let Russia and Venezuala push me the fuck around. If it's ww3 sign me up.

This is an attitude I find Very Unsettling......Are you REALLY Willing to let ANY Country start WW III especially The US? Do You Understand The Ramifications of "WWIII" Both Political and Environmental??? I'm sorry but this kinda Kneejerk Reaction is gonna get the world Blown Up.....Its Totally Foolish!!!!

[RobPA]

This is an attitude I find Very Unsettling......Are you REALLY Willing to let ANY Country start WW III especially The US? Do You Understand The Ramifications of "WWIII" Both Political and Environmental??? I'm sorry but this kinda Kneejerk Reaction is gonna get the world Blown Up.....Its Totally Foolish!!!!

Fuck Russia and Fuck Venenzuella. Unless there "cool" of course, then its an exception :jointsmile: fire up and relax peeps some people feel very strongly this way and I do also, if they start a war I would probably be enlisting, not only to help my country but to help protect my country because if that happens we are FUCKED and i'd want to keep them as far away of our coast as possible. You have to be ready for anything, although you want not want or agree with it. Also want to add not a thrash at Mccain but hes not going into this with a very positive attitude towards Russia... Russians actually observed and taught the Vietcong MEntal torture and manipulation techniques. I would Suggest Russia not go invading any countries with mccain in office, especially an ally.... Thats a big IF he wins.

[DaBudhaStank]

This is an attitude I find Very Unsettling......Are you REALLY Willing to let ANY Country start WW III especially The US? Do You Understand The Ramifications of "WWIII" Both Political and Environmental??? I'm sorry but this kinda Kneejerk Reaction is gonna get the world Blown Up.....Its Totally Foolish!!!!

True that brother. We've spent too long doing everything because we WANT to, not because it's necessary or will benefit the world. If I was a president, I would REFUSE to start a war, even if it was Britain getting bombed. Alliances do nothing except expand wars. If people are really that stoked that we might be in World War III, so they can "fight the good fight" then I might as well kill myself and everyone around me, because the world has clearly gone mad.

It's sad to see how much people really crave war instead of any and all possible alternate solutions. War should actually not even be on the table. It should be in a closet upstairs gathering dust, with numerous squeaky wheels and rusted springs that need the be fixed before being used. But it seems that most people would rather just run upstairs, grab it, hold it tight to their chest, and run outside screaming into the night.

[RobPA]

True that brother. We've spent too long doing everything because we WANT to, not because it's necessary or will benefit the world. If I was a president, I would REFUSE to start a war, even if it was Britain getting bombed. Alliances do nothing except expand wars. If people are really that stoked that we might be in World War III, so they can "fight the good fight" then I might as well kill myself and everyone around me, because the world has clearly gone mad.

It's sad to see how much people really crave war instead of any and all possible alternate solutions. War should actually not even be on the table. It should be in a closet upstairs gathering dust, with numerous squeaky wheels and rusted springs that need the be fixed before being used. But it seems that most people would rather just run upstairs, grab it, hold it tight to their chest, and run outside screaming into the night.


Im sorry, but that sounds very cowardly. Im against us messing in other peoples business but our allies are our allies. They arent allies for no damn reason, do you know the ammount of money these countries are lending us? Not that im for anymore Defecit at all but facts our facts our politiicians have put us in this position and now we have to live with it. If our allies need our aid, I would be the first to volunteer.

[DaBudhaStank]

Im sorry, but that sounds very cowardly. Im against us messing in other peoples business but our allies are our allies. They arent allies for no damn reason, do you know the ammount of money these countries are lending us? Not that im for anymore Defecit at all but facts our facts our politiicians have put us in this position and now we have to live with it. If our allies need our aid, I would be the first to volunteer.

The best part is that you said it sounds cowardly. So? I have no problems being cowardly, especially when I'm right, and I also couldn't care less if the whole world thought we were cowardly if we thought my way. They would learn swiftly how cowardly we aren't if they came over. Cowardice is a natural survival mechanism, I'm just putting it use. Also, people seem to confuse best interest with cowardice, and I'm not sure why....

[DaBudhaStank]

Well, I sure am glad that you're not in charge, DabudhaStank... :stoned:

You say that now. You'll wish I was ten years from now, maybe even less.

[DaBudhaStank]

It's too bad wishing and typing from the safety of your home doesn't solve our world problems though.

It's too bad you can't do anything unless you are a millionaire with only your personal interest at heart.

It's also too bad that I'd rather even contemplate fixing the worlds problems instead of lusting for war and murder. Damn shame....

[DaBudhaStank]

You contemplate being a coward for a solution to world problems?

:wtf:

No, i contemplate being a coward so we can IGNORE the worlds problems, at least for a little while. We need to get AMERICA on track first, then we can worry about the rest of the planet. It's not planet America, we don't have the right or responsibility to take care of everyone. Maybe once we get our own social civil war under control, we can worry about the world's problems, many of which don't affect us at all. I say many, not all.

EDIT: I just realized I said I want to solve the worlds problems instead of lusting for war and murder in a previous post. My bad. I meant to say I'd rather solve OUR problems instead of war.

[DaBudhaStank]

We share this planet.

I feel as much involved in other countries politics as I do in my own, because like it or not, it all effects everyone.

And that's why they hate you. I sure as shit don't want Brazil or Australia trying to get involved in our shit, because WTF do they know?

And no, it does NOT all affect everyone. So far, (luckily) this Georgia and Russia business hasn't affected us, at all. But, if we have our own way, it WILL affect us, because we WANT it to, because we WANT to get involved. Not that we SHOULD, or NEED to. We just want to.

[DaBudhaStank]

Whatever you say my man, you're obviously in your own little world so I'll let you enjoy it. :stoned:

Lol alright man, you do that. Have fun in Russia, I'll chill here for now.

[khronik]

Honestly, we should just let them play their little games in Venezuela. With any luck they'll get hit with Hurricane Jerry or whatever the next one is. And honestly, they are no threat to us. Behaving like they are only makes us look weak.

[DaBudhaStank]

Honestly, we should just let them play their little games in Venezuela. With any luck they'll get hit with Hurricane Jerry or whatever the next one is. And honestly, they are no threat to us. Behaving like they are only makes us look weak.

True that. Whats more cowardly, avoiding conflict or being afraid of third-world country?

[the image reaper]

international politics isn't all that much different, than kids fighting in school ... it happens, always has happened, always will happen ... bullies will always be bullies, and will always have to be put in their place ... as the old saying goes: " don't START no shit, and there won't BE no shit " ... I think we tried to tell Manuel Noriega and Kaddafi that, but they 'just didn't get it' ... :s4:

[eg420ne]

Wth??? Smoking a heavy indica tonight??? Egypt...Pakistan all on Israels doorstep, they have the nukes.. Why shouldent Israel?
Right, except for Egypt doesnt have nuclear weapons, and Pakistan is miles away and Pakistan has its own problems to tend with, they most likely to bomb India then Israel cause EVERYONE knows Israel will retaliate with there own Bombs..............:s4:

[khronik]

Right, except for Egypt doesnt have nuclear weapons, and Pakistan is miles away and Pakistan has its own problems to tend with, they most likely to bomb India then Israel cause EVERYONE knows Israel will retaliate with there own Bombs..............:s4:
But India has their own bombs too, and probably better ones than Pakistan. I don't think anyone will use nuclear weapons because of all the wrath that will rain down on them from every other country in the world if they do. The main reason countries like to have them nowadays is to make themselves look tough.

[rebgirl420]

This is an attitude I find Very Unsettling......Are you REALLY Willing to let ANY Country start WW III especially The US? Do You Understand The Ramifications of "WWIII" Both Political and Environmental??? I'm sorry but this kinda Kneejerk Reaction is gonna get the world Blown Up.....Its Totally Foolish!!!!

Hey, if they start that shit (as in war) then I refuse to cower down to them. War should be avoided but sometimes you just can't let certain shit slide.

I find it offensive that you act like I don't have a clue what the possible ramifications are of such a war. It's not a knee jerk reaction, certainly at the moment we don't have enough cause and reason to start another war but if Russia continues on it's plan to attack countries like Georgia and to act like a bully then we may just have to help our alliances.

[the image reaper]

The best part is that you said it sounds cowardly. So? I have no problems being cowardly, especially when I'm right, and I also couldn't care less if the whole world thought we were cowardly if we thought my way. They would learn swiftly how cowardly we aren't if they came over. Cowardice is a natural survival mechanism, I'm just putting it use. Also, people seem to confuse best interest with cowardice, and I'm not sure why....

I agree, you certainly sound like a coward, but this is the first time I have ever heard anyone BRAG about cowardice :wtf: ... reminds me of what the cops used to say: "next time you need help, try calling a hippie !" ... :D

[DaBudhaStank]

Hey, if they start that shit (as in war) then I refuse to cower down to them. War should be avoided but sometimes you just can't let certain shit slide.

I find it offensive that you act like I don't have a clue what the possible ramifications are of such a war. It's not a knee jerk reaction, certainly at the moment we don't have enough cause and reason to start another war but if Russia continues on it's plan to attack countries like Georgia and to act like a bully then we may just have to help our alliances.

Georgia started it by killing 1,500 civilians (for no apparent reason that I can tell. Did they really think the Russians would just roll over?). They don't deserve shit. Russia is simply defending its citizens. I see nothing wrong with whats been happening an no reason whatsoever for us to get involved.

[DaBudhaStank]

I agree, you certainly sound like a coward, but this is the first time I have ever heard anyone BRAG about cowardice :wtf: ... reminds me of what the cops used to say: "next time you need help, try calling a hippie !" ... :D

That's why when YOU get sent to the frigid northlands, I'll still be sitting in a comfy chair reading a book. Because if we continue down this road, trying to protect an aggressive country, you WILL get sent there to "keep the peace". Coward? Maybe. Alive and still right? Oh yes, I'll take that, please.

[the image reaper]

That's why when YOU get sent to the frigid northlands, I'll still be sitting in a comfy chair reading a book. Because if we continue down this road, trying to protect an aggressive country, you WILL get sent there to "keep the peace". Coward? Maybe. Alive and still right? Oh yes, I'll take that, please.

I would think I'm too old and worn-out to be much good fighting in another war, but, I'M WILLING TO GO FIGHT FOR MY COUNTRY, and the 'other guy' will be the 'scared one' ... OK, I'm done with ya, go crawl back under your bed ... :D

[RobPA]

Right, except for Egypt doesnt have nuclear weapons, and Pakistan is miles away and Pakistan has its own problems to tend with, they most likely to bomb India then Israel cause EVERYONE knows Israel will retaliate with there own Bombs..............:s4:

I understand the big stink that Egypt made a long time ago trying to make the middle-east a "Nuke Free Zone", and there constant membership with the IAEA... Since 2004 They have been under investigation by the IAEA... I apologize if I pulled a pres. Bush by saying that, but i truely believe Egypt has nuclear weapons, They have one of the largest Nuclear programs in the area and have invested billions in "Dirty Bomb" Technology, if you look at egyptian defense spending they spent most in this area and radiation type "Dirty Bombs". I am in no way against Egypt and I dont believe they are a threat to the US but I could see why the Israelies have a Vendetta or are scared of them, look at the history between the 2 people.... Please dont take my statement as factual, that is just my personal and humble opinion in no way to demean egypt or its people.

[RobPA]

I would think I'm too old and worn-out to be much good fighting in another war, but, I'M WILLING TO GO FIGHT FOR MY COUNTRY, and the 'other guy' will be the 'scared one' ... OK, I'm done with ya, go crawl back under your bed ... :D

Well i'm 26 and I'll make sure to fight in your stead! :thumbsup:

[fishman3811]

Rebgirl Georgia started the war and Russia finished it...What do u think America would do if Canada started shelling Detroit and sent troops in fuck America would go ballistic not only would America repell the Canadians you guys would take over our Capital and not give it back.....

[Markass]

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What the hell are you people going to do next year when ya can't blame the worlds problems on Bush? I guess Bush turned Chavez into an idiot.....and created Katrina....and of course planned 9-11. :rolleyes:

Have a good one!:s4:

Probably will have to blame the problems that John Mccain makes worse on john mccain if he's elected. He's certainly not going to make anything better..especially government spending and the national debt..

Vote in 08 for john mccain for more of the same.:thumbsup:

[the image reaper]

...What do u think America would do if Canada started shelling Detroit and sent troops in fuck America would go ballistic.....

well, maybe not for Detroit, ... you ever see Detroit ??? :S2:


- (I said that, for xcrispi's benefit :jointsmile:)

[Psycho4Bud]

Rebgirl Georgia started the war and Russia finished it...What do u think America would do if Canada started shelling Detroit and sent troops in fuck America would go ballistic not only would America repell the Canadians you guys would take over our Capital and not give it back.....

You mean the way we did in Europe, Africa, the Middle East, Japan, S. Korea, etc...? The U.N. considers these "provinces" as part of Georgia...not Russia.

Have a good one!:s4:

[DaBudhaStank]

You mean the way we did in Europe, Africa, the Middle East, Japan, S. Korea, etc...? The U.N. considers these "provinces" as part of Georgia...not Russia.

Have a good one!:s4:

And we care what the U.N. thinks since.....when? Definitely not since 2003, that much I know.

Also, that doesn't give Georgia the right to slay 1,500 innocent Russians. But then civilian casualties don't mean much anymore either. Georgia has nothing on their side except for us in this matter, and that's BAD, because then we're defending unnecessary conflict and warmongering.

[khronik]

Also, that doesn't give Georgia the right to slay 1,500 innocent Russians. But then civilian casualties don't mean much anymore either. Georgia has nothing on their side except for us in this matter, and that's BAD, because then we're defending unnecessary conflict and warmongering.
Well, at least we're not hypocrites! :wtf:

[DaBudhaStank]

Well, at least we're not hypocrites! :wtf:

Lawl

[thcbongman]

And we care what the U.N. thinks since.....when? Definitely not since 2003, that much I know.

Also, that doesn't give Georgia the right to slay 1,500 innocent Russians. But then civilian casualties don't mean much anymore either. Georgia has nothing on their side except for us in this matter, and that's BAD, because then we're defending unnecessary conflict and warmongering.

Not all of the 1,500 were Russian. Georgia chose to attempt to take back land with valuable resources. That's what war is about. It isn't about ethnic cleansing, that's the BS reason. Resources is the reason we went to Iraq, it's the reason Russia staked their claim to South Ossessia. Resources. Resources.

It's in the US's best interest to defend Georgia. If Georgia secure those resources, we get a brokered a deal. Supporting Russia gains the US nothing.

[RobPA]

Not all of the 1,500 were Russian. Georgia chose to attempt to take back land with valuable resources. That's what war is about. It isn't about ethnic cleansing, that's the BS reason. Resources is the reason we went to Iraq, it's the reason Russia staked their claim to South Ossessia. Resources. Resources.

It's in the US's best interest to defend Georgia. If Georgia secure those resources, we get a brokered a deal. Supporting Russia gains the US nothing.

Well Said.

[Smudgeyboy]

May I start by saying the Chavez is probably THE BEST political leaders in the world today.

America/Americanised Venezuelans (huge segregation between rich and poor) have already kidnapped him in an attempt to overthrow him. Guess how he came back?
The strength of the poor! The masses that he raised up into a political force for good.
This is a fact, for more on how American leaders dont care about anyone, watch 'The War on Democracy'.
The War On Democracy by John Pilger (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3739500579629840148) Great Documentary

The U.S government has over thrown many democratically elected Governments in Latin America...

I hate war, with a passion, never a need for it.
If Chavez wants to laugh at the leaders who tried to topple him from the greatly democratic seat and failed then fire ahead.

And hey, if the same guy he's laughing at killed thousands and thousands of his own men and even more abroad then more power to the GREAT guy.

[ralphbuick]

Venezuela is a threat only because the hawkish American administration and their cronies in the media, whose entire philosophy is based on consumption and sycophancy respectively, want something he has dominion over: oil. End of story.

[flyingimam]

It's in the US's best interest to defend Georgia. If Georgia secure those resources, we get a brokered a deal. Supporting Russia gains the US nothing.

true. but we should look @ the trade off for what we gain and what lose if we stand behind georgia and against russia... its not all about what we gain in short term, u may find depletable resources and u may buy a lifelong enemy(ies sounds more realistic)

all i think is that no resource in such a tiny area is worth another cold war or a real war for that matter for US taxpayers.

plus can some1 back up this claim that its about resources b4 we go any further in this subject cuz i couldnt come up with potential estimated worth of the resources we are talking about here...

i think this can explain the situation much better, i find it a credible source after reviewing the footnotes
Georgia and South Ossetia (http://www.american.edu/ted/ice/ossetia.htm#10)


"The region of South Ossetia lies in the north central part of Georgia and is home to an ethnic group distinct from both the Georgians and Russians. When Georgia came under Soviet rule in 1923, the Soviet government granted South Ossetia the status of being the South Ossetian Autonomous Oblast (SOAO) within the Soviet Republic of Georgia. At the same time, North Ossetia was left under the domain of Russia, thus splitting Ossetia into Northern and Southern regions. Therefore, since the break-up of the Soviet Union, the South Ossetians, have been attempting to gain independence since November 1989 when the SOAO Council sent a letter to the Georgian Supreme Soviet demanding to be unified with North Ossetia, mostly out of concern regarding Georgian nationalism and subsequent second class treatment. The Georgian leaders did not meet the demands of the South Ossetians and went so far as to ban all regional political parties in September 1990 during parliamentary elections. The Ossetians interpreted this as a move directly intended to weaken South Ossetian autonomy and power in the political system. Therefore, Soviet leaders approved of unification with North Ossetia, located in Russia, but Georgian leaders did not. This triggered a series of events which eventually led to violent conflict between the South Ossetians and Georgia. In September 1990, the Ossetians declared sovereingty under the USSR and in return, the Georgian government dissolved its recognition of the South Ossetian Autonomous Oblast. In January 1992, a referendum was held in Tskhinvali, the regional capital of South Ossetia, with a clear majority of the people supporting South Ossetia's seccession from Georgia and joining Russia. The South Ossetian Supreme Council made these desires official after voting in favor of secession from Georgia to Russia on November 19, 1992."

[DaBudhaStank]

true. but we should look @ the trade off for what we gain and what lose if we stand behind georgia and against russia... its not all about what we gain in short term, u may find depletable resources and u may buy a lifelong enemy(ies sounds more realistic)

all i think is that no resource in such a tiny area is worth another cold war or a real war for that matter for US taxpayers.

plus can some1 back up this claim that its about resources b4 we go any further in this subject cuz i couldnt come up with potential estimated worth of the resources we are talking about here...

i think this can explain the situation much better, i find it a credible source after reviewing the footnotes
Georgia and South Ossetia (http://www.american.edu/ted/ice/ossetia.htm#10)

Russia wins. Georgia attacked their benefactors with the intent of rebellion. They were swiftly crushed, as all revolutions must. It's the obligation of the people to rebel when things aren't going their way and the right of the government to stop them (if they can). I guess Georgia didn't want it as bad as we did. As far as I'm concerned, Georgia never had a chance and shouldn't get shit from anyone.

I will cede the point however that we did get aid from France during our own revolution. But that was in their best interest because they hated Britain more than we did. However, we also hate Russia (whether we admit it or not publicly, we despise them politically) but I also believe there isn't nearly enough resources in Georgia to warrant an invasion. It's no Iraq, that's for sure.

[DontPush]

People who think that they're getting anything out of wars for 'resources' are delusional. First off even if that were the case it's a morally reprehensible thing to do. If you support that than you're no different than a criminal who robs & kills people for a living. But actually wars for resources allow corporations to hoard control over the supply resources & boost the price. The war in Iraq is supposedly for oil & gas is 2-3 times higher than it was at the start of the war. Also the American economy is in the worst state it's been in in decades largely due to the hundreds of billions of dollars spent each year on the war. By design it's costing us money & only financially benefitting a select few: weapons manufacturers, oil companies, etc.

I find it strange that so many people at a cannabis forum have imperialistic views on foreign policy.