Master Kush, Aurora Indica Perpetual Grow

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"So why do you have a key lock on that bedroom door?" My mother inlaw asks me while she was here visiting recently.

So you don't open the door walk in, have a heart attack and die on the spot! I keep large highly venemous snakes in there, no cages, they just hang from the ceiling fan!

As for the rest of you here, welcome to my grow! You have a key to the room. Enjoy.

Be nice!
Here it is, my very first grow log. My hope, is that by posting this, I will be able to get some great criticism, as well as be able to maybe help some other folks out as well.
So lets get to it.

The rundown on this show.
I am running,
-10 Master Kush (Nirvana) From Seed
-10 Aurora Indica (Nirvana) From Seed
-3 Lowlife Lowryder Mystery Indicas (Freebies)
-1 Green Crack (Fingers Crossed, very likely a Feminized Seed, I do have
Reverse)!

Lights
- 2x 400 watts, (Alternating them on off, 24 hour Veg)
- 2x 400 watts, HPS Flowering
- 1 T12 (For Mommies, clones)

Soil
- FoxFarm LightWarrior/FoxFarm Ocean Forrest

Nutes
- Advanced Botanicare Pure Blend Pro Grow, (If needed)
- Advanced Botanicare Pure Blend Pro Bloom (Soil & Hydro Formulas Both
Available)
- CalMag/ Liquid Karma

Ventillation
- A big fucking can fan, it sucks big time.
- A big fucking carbon filter, w/ can fan for exhaust
- A 6 inch inline duct fan, as well as a booster in the closet of my
bedroom blowing air into the ducting. The 6 inch in line is in the
grow room at the end of the ducting for intake

Temps
- Maxing out @ 85*, as low as 75* if I am lucky. (Maxing at 85 with 1
running, if I run both then they max out at 89-91, which is why I am
running just 1.:(

Misc
- For now I am using RO H20, this may change in the future. I am not
sure yet, I keep debating, my tap is horrible at about 380ppm around
8.5 ish ph! Once they get more mature I may feel better about
switching them over to it. Plus, getting and lugging the needed amounts
of RO is going to be a pain in my ass soon.
- I have a large recessed window area in the back of the room, this is
covered by a large piece of panda plastic, it will be my mom/clone area,
I will just have the window behind it open to get air in and out of there,
it's not 100% air tight, but it's pretty much air tight. I have yet to test
it for 100% light tight, (if it is not it will be though. It will be tested.)
- The flower area is in the main area of the room, which is now where I
am vegging these seeds. Once I am ready to flower, I will be taking
cuttings from the females, moving them to the "nursery" and veg them
out to get 2 moms of each strain. From there I will be running clones
from those moms after that and putting the clones into flower.

Purpose
- Pretty well covered it above, just to get a nice harvest for one, but to
also capture some of these genetics as mums, and run straight from
clones in the future.

That's it. If I forgot anything just ask. Here are some pics of the general setup and overview.:jointsmile:

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I am going to say this is at Day 1 veg.
Really they were started from seed, so they are now at the point of having 5 sets, or getting there 5th sets in as I type.
I had a little trouble a week or so ago, they were originally germ'd in RR, in 16 oz party cups, in addition to ph issues (too high) they also became root bound before I realized it! They did stunt for a week, and some lower leaves went brown and dry, but they have since recovered amazingly, and have been transplanted to 1/2 gallon pots, with FFOF, Ph runoff is at 6.8 with the RO H20 in at 6.6-6.7, nothing added, just 1 drop of superthrive per gallon. They have had 2 watering (1 at transplant) and yesterday with superthrive. They have greened up and rejuvinated well. Growth is now vigorous. Temps may have also played an issue early on, as I was using both 400 watt lamps, and the temps would get as high as 91, and as low as 86. I have since cut back, thinking that may have been overkill anyway, and my temps are now more acceptable at the highest 85, but maintaining around 82 to 83.
Here are some pics of the plants.
The first are the 10 AI
The second the 10 MK
The third an AI, #4 I think, it has always been lime green for some reason since it popped.
The rest just individual pics. Nothing very note worthy as of yet. The small light colored pots are the LLLR MI, I have treated them like red headed step children, they were free. So we will see what happens I guess.
I also have 1 greencrack baby in there, it's up at the front, non distinguishable from the rest really, it actually suffered the most early on and I thought that it was a goner. Somehow it pulled through though, and the new growth looks good now. It looks like it only has 3 or 4 sets of leaves, but the cotelydons, and 1st set completely dried and fell of before I transplanted.

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Above, the 4th pic is an AI, and the 5th is a MK.
Here are some more pics of my "palm tree farm".:jointsmile:

The 4th pic is the GreenCrack that had a near death experience.
The 5th is a MK, that has looked all fuct up and retarded ever since it came out of the ground. It is continuing to grow, just looks weird.:wtf:

[Dutch Pimp]

Looking good...KUSH...:thumbsup:

Only minor thing I can add...would be to introduce fresh air as often as possible...:twocents:

Good Luck....:greenthumb:

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How exciting! Thanks DP, I forgot to really explain that.
The ducting underneath the carbon filter goes back to the back wall of the closet. Through it, and attached to a flange that is in the back wall of my bedroom closet, then in front of that in my bedroom closet, I have a big ass Lasko blower trained right on the 6 inch hole, forcing all the nice a.c. air from the master bedroom, into that ducting, into the grow room. 24 hours a day. I did add a 6 inch inline right in the end too to help enhance the air flow into the room, the lasko fan pushed a ton, and the exhaust alone without the intakes creates a significant negative pressure situation, but with the 2 fans working together, that is really the jist of my intake air. I do have the house a.c. vent in the grow room as well, but that doesn't amount to too much. (It's on and off)
I have thought about getting a couple of more flanges, cutting a couple holes in the panda plastic over the nursery, and fitting some more ducting onto that. Then just letting that act to 1., move air through the nursery, and 2. act as an additional passive intake for the main flower area. I would love to just chop up the walls a little more, but my wife already had a friggin' hemroid over the 6 inch hole in the ceiling for exhaust to the attic, and the 2 6 inch holes in the backs of both the closets. So doing any additional will have to be through that nursery door taking advantage of outside air, just not sure if I can do it and keep it light tight. Not to mention it was about a 100 friggin' degrees outside today. But I know that later on this year it may pay off big if I can make it work.

On a scale of 1-10, how "critical" do you see this? Given the exhaust and intake are both running 24/7? I really have no idea what the air exchange rate is in there, but it does get a constant supply of fresh air from the living areas of the home through that intake. Do you think it may need more? I know it would help to get my temps down likely, but as far as the plants future health? (As they get bigger and respirate more?) Let me know in your professional opinion sir! Thanks again, I feel very privileged to have your 2 cents! I welcome any and all suggestions that you may have!

[Dutch Pimp]

Growing indoors, in hot weather is a major challenge. I don't even attempt it. I only grow in the fall/winter/spring.

I used my house ac/heating system to supply my small piss-ant grow room with fresh air, too. I just opened a window in front of the intake of my central air system. All air in my grow room, came from this source. It supplied the fresh air, added heat when necessary, added RH when necessary and added cooling when necessary.

Your #1 objective is to maintain: 70-85 degrees between the canopy and the lights and 40-60% humidity. IMO.

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Gotcha!
Now if I could figure out a way to get both lights running and keep the temps under 85.
Maybe later this year once avg daily temps get down, I will bite the bullet and try to get a passive/light-tight intake setup through that nursery door. Not looking forward to it. I'll be more pissed if I go through the trouble and it still doesn't get my temps low enough! With my luck, that is what will likely happen!

[Dutch Pimp]

IMO, you don't need both 400 HID lights for vegging. Are those MH light bulbs?...they look very "white" light. I use T12 floros for the first 2-3 weeks vegging before I switch to a 400 watt Hortilux HPS or lately 400 CMH bulb.

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Yes sir. MH's
I figured for the vegging that both were overkill, (at least that's what I kept telling myself after I stopped running both, good to get an expert opinion too, makes me feel tons better about cutting the second one out!)but looking ahead to flower, that's when I would like to use both 400 watt lamps, with the HPS's. I just keep agonizing in my mind over how I will get the temps down, and trying to rationalize whether or not it would be worth it.
If I have to keep the lights higher than desired, then I will have stretching, too low, heat stress, so I dunno. That's why I want to figure out now how to get the temps down.
Down the road, once I get past this first run and into flowering, I probably won't be using the MH's for anything. The nursery behind the panda plastic wall, will have some cheapo t12 lights, one, maybe 2 to run moms and clones, but like I said, I really want to run as much as possible with the HPS. I just don't want to get into a situation where I am hitting a point of diminishing returns if I have to compensate for the heat in some way. I know what the best solution is, but I don't have the cash on hand now to get a larger wattage, sealed, air cooled hood and new ballast to push it.

My local hydro shop does have the air cooled hoods, they already have sockets, but they are set up for digital ballasts, and both my 400 watts are the old style, with the cords hard wired to them. So I don't know if splicing is even an option, I am thinking not. I am not sure if I would be able to get my current sockets in the hoods either, and I don't want to buy one and then find out I can't!
I have been keeping an eye on craigslist. But I hate to go buy anything off their, then have to go to some weirdo's house that I don't know, ect....

I could just run my flowering with just 1 400 watter, and keep the other handy for backup. But I would rather get both of them running, the coverage for 1 isn't that great for the table I have, but 2 will get the job done.

As for the "whiteness", I dunno? But yeah they are MH's. It may be all the panda plastic? I have the tray underneath my table, it's pp, and pp all over the floor, of course the walls are just flat white, so maybe it's just the light reflecting alot, or my camera, or the way I took the pictures? Now that you say that, the pics do look really white, in the room it doesn't seem that white when you are in there, but I agree, those do look really white.

Thanks for the input! Keep it coming! Anything, any little thing at all, no matter what, as this log grows, be sure to let me know. I want to fine tune everything as much as possible, don't want any air buds, I need nice tight, dense nugs! :thumbsup:

My last run, I finished 2 plants and got 4 oz, it was so bad, and I am so spoiled I guess, that I just turned it all into QWISO, I couldn't stand burning the flowers! I don't ever want that to happen again.:jointsmile: On the bright side, I learned tons from it, and I know I won't be making those mistakes again, but hopefully now, with your help and the help of the other green thumbs here, I won't make too many new mistakes either! That's what I am hoping anyway! I have some high expectations for this round, and the rounds to follow, luck is not an option for me!:D

[Dutch Pimp]

MH's give off a "white" light...better for vegging. I've seen enought pics to see the difference between MH and the yellow/red of HPS lights...:D

I would kill to have two 400 watt'ers....for flowering. But, first you got to get though this tricky veg cycle. You say, "old style" 400 watt lights?...magnetic ballasts?...if so...I think, they are better, more dependable that digital ballasts. CMH bulbs work great in magnetic ballasts.

...anyways...the Uv rays from MH's are tricky...watch for leaf burn. I found it's better to "offset' plants some, under the light. Seedlings are very, very tender. And rotate plants, too. (but, not with the light on, I burned my knuckles doing that...:D)

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MH's give off a "white" light...better for vegging. I've seen enought pics to see the difference between MH and the yellow/red of HPS lights...:D

I would kill to have two 400 watt'ers....for flowering. But, first you got to get though this tricky veg cycle. You say, "old style" 400 watt lights?...magnetic ballasts?...if so...I think, they are better, more dependable that digital ballasts. CMH bulbs work great in magnetic ballasts.

...anyways...the Uv rays from MH's are tricky...watch for leaf burn. I found it's better to "offset' plants some, under the light. Seedlings are very, very tender. And rotate plants, too. (but, not with the light on, I burned my knuckles doing that...:D)

Magnetic yup, that's dem.
I did see some burn early on, thought it was temps, but that's good to konw too about the spectrum itself, what you are saying makes me feel better about not having the lights "all over them" like I wanted to initially! That would explain some issues I had during my last run. I kept thinking to myself, "how the hell is this happening," my temps were spot on, but I had both the 400 watt lamps in a 4x4x8 tent, so there was no escape!!! Might explain why this run so far is going significantly better than the last too! Good! I love it when I accidentally do stuff that is good! As for the knuckle burning, been there, been doing that! I just accepted it as part of the process, just like bass thumb from a productive day of fishing! It is better now though, I did start rotating the dim side of the table, took me a handful of ouchs, but I am not exactly the sharpest tack in the box some times.:D

Love your album BTW! You hardly ever see anyone put anything in the pics to give a reference/perspective on size. Surely you have gone through that by now and are on to something new! I won't ask, I know your policy! Whatever you are doing, I hope it turns out just as good or better than the last batch! That looked great!:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: I hope I get as lucky as you did with my female to male ratio!

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I am gonna go do some digging on CMH's now, thanks! Obviously you like eh? I know nothing about them. But I will read up!:jointsmile:

[Dutch Pimp]

I thought you would never ask...:D...http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-lighting/133316-ceramic-metal-halide-bulbs-hps-ballasts.html

I'm not trying to change anyone's mind...just want them to see the light.

(you have to have a 400 watt magnetic HPS ballast, or forget it)(not even a switchable magnetic ballast)

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I thought you would never ask...:D...http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-lighting/133316-ceramic-metal-halide-bulbs-hps-ballasts.html

I'm not trying to change anyone's mind...just want them to see the light.

(you have to have a 400 watt magnetic HPS ballast, or forget it)

LOL! I am already on page 2!:S2:Thanks sounds pretty good! Don't ruin the end for me! I still have some life left for a while in my mh's, but may make the change!

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:)Obviously worth a shot! When I go to re-up on a bulb, I am gonna give it a shot!
I really like the part about less heat, even if it's just a few degrees, that's all I need!:)

[Dutch Pimp]

One more thing: considering the heat problem...I would switch to 18/6 light cycle. I have used 24/0, 20/4, and 18/6 and they all worked fine.

18/6 would help with temps during the heat of the day. IMO.

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I thought about that, and then just running them with the 6 hours off durinjg the day, but I just have a supersticious belief that 24 hours is better. I know that there really isn't any solid reason to believe this, I just find it comforting for some reason. IDKY?
That being said, temps today maxed out at 83. Not too bad, and ran down as low as 79, these are canopy temps.
The ambient room temp is usually right at about 80, which is pretty good, my a.c. for the house is at 77. I really shouldn't be bithcing too much about the temps, like you said, I am going to concentrate more on good air exchange for now.
New growth everday now it seems. Leaves are getting broader, new sets come in daily! Very pleased for now. I will update pics probably late tomorrow night, maybe tuesday.
Thanks for tuning in!:D

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So,
um,
I am getting ready to water again late tonight, maybe tomorrow.
I am using RO, and am kind of wondering if I should start to supplement in some cal mag and liquid karma? Any thoughts out there? I hate to do anything right now, considering they are looking really nice, you know "if it ain't broke?"
I am using FFOF, I know that it is chalk full of goodies, the plants seem to love it, and I wasn't planning on using any of my Botanicare Pro Grow for a while yet. But I wonder if the FFOF has the micros needed? And Liqiud Karma, is supposed to be a catalyst that helps in the absorbtion of these micros, that would be the thinking of adding them both. Recommended dose is 4-5ml per gallon, I was going to start with 2ml of each per gallon. Any thoughts, suggestions, before I start dicking my plants around!:D

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Well, here we are a few days later. All is well in cannaland. The plants continue to grow, leaves broaden, etc.
I watered today, I was kind of surprised that they needed to be watered, but they were nearly dry.
Watered in RO h2o @ 6.7 with 1ml/gallon of calmag, and 1ml/gallon Liquid Karma. Very very very weak, but I didn't know if I should even be using either. I have always read that with RO h2o you need to use calmag, and the LK, is just a supplement that is supposed to enhance nutrient absorbtion. So hopefully those low doses will not harm them, and they will get something positive from it.
H2O runoff tonight, dun dun dun, 6.8. I didn't water really heavy, and got a smallish amount of runoff, so I combined the runoff from AI # 4,5,and 6, to come up with an average. Hopefully this is ok. I dunno. Seems to make sense to me. Temps are doing well, maintaining at 80 to 83, I did get a spike up to 84 today, but shit, it was almost a 100 here! So I am happy with that. Don't really see any signs of heat stress, maybe there are and I am missing them. So that's where you all come in, here are some new pics.:D

Pic 1 and 2, one of my Lowlife Lowryder Mystery Indicas
Pic 3 My Beefy MK
Pic 4 More MK
Pic 5 More Mk

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Pic 1 The 3 Leaf Freak, Don't know if you can see it, but it's growing 3 Main leafs per node. Also my best developed, 6 sets, and the only one that has 5 point leafs. Also kind of weird, I mentioned this before, since it has sprouted, it has always been a totally lighter shade of green?:wtf: Seems healthy though, and continues to grow, actually is developing faster than all the others from either strain.
Pic 2 More AI
Pic 3 More AI
Pic 4 My sole GreenCrack, keeps on chugging away! Can't believe it lived.
Pic 5 Shot with GC, AI, and MK. In the foreground in that order. All AI in the background.

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^^The Pics^^

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Pic 1 More MK
Pic 2 Side shot MK foreground, AI background
Pic 3 Best Developed MK
Pic 4 Another of the Lime Green 3 Leaf Beast
Pic 5 Another AI with some Fatty Fat Fat Leaves

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Pic 1 A more "narrow" leaved AI
Pic 2 A "broad" leaved MK
Pic 3 Another shot of the Beasty MK, I think she is #4?
Pic 4 Another MK
Pic 5 My favorite picture of the night.

Good night!:)

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Well, very late Day 5.
All the plants seem to be very well.
The cal mag and liquid karma did not seem to hurt them, hopefully it helped.

Today, I decided that I wasn't doing enough to fuck up this grow, so I added a very very low dose of Botanicare Pure Blend Pro Grow. 2ml, per gallon, plus the same 1 ml per gallon of cal mag. My ph in was 6.6-6.7, my ph out was 6.9. I know that this is a little high, but it's a victory for me compared to where it started. The plants don't seem to mind either, so we will see what happens eh?

I did figure out what I am going to do for flower, to get both of my lights in on the action at the same time, I will be purchasing to sealed air cooled hoods, that are supposed to be able to work with my existing light sockets. They are from HTG, and were an option when I originally purchased the lights that I did not take advantage of, but I am just going to bite the bullet and get them now. I will have a pic below. I hope that they do work well, I will be pulling air through them with a 6 inch can fan, hooking them up in line together. Hope it works well enough so that I won't need to keep my lights 3 feet over my canopy! If anyone has any feedback on these please let me know if I am about to waste my money.
Pics below, of the light, and various plant pics. :jointsmile:

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Well, I bit the bullet and got a couple of the "euro" air coolable reflectors on the way. Once I get them up and installed I will post a pic and let you know what if any difference this makes as far as how close I can move the lights and the temps. Hope everything works out well with them!:jointsmile:

As far as the plants go, 24 hours later, no signs of nute burn on any of the plants leaf tips so that's good I guess. I will just start little by little working up the doses of pro grow I guess. I am going to plan on continuing with the calmag for now every watering except for a few plain water days ( just to give the plants a break), I have only been doing 1ml per gallon, and will keep it that way for now unless anyone with experience comes on here and tells me otherwise. However, I don't anticipate anyone coming onto this thread based on previous history.:(

Since I have done my last 3 waterings with a little bit of added supplements and or nutes, I will probably just water next time, (Sunday) with plain ol' ph'd RO H20. I am really just trying to baby these as much as possible and avoid adding more than I need to, especially since the soil itself contains a good amount of nutrients in it, just don't know how much micro nutrients it has? If anyone knows, please by all means chime in, or if anyone sees anything glaring that I am on the verge of fucking up then please don't wait for me to do it! This was kind of the whole point of posting a "real time" grow log, so that I could get feedback as I went to hopefully avoid disaster!
See you Sunday, (and by you, I mean the naked girl at the top of the page I guess!):jointsmile:

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Update,
First, I apologize in advance, no pics tonight. It is too damn late, I still have some ironing to do and then it's bedtime.
Tonight/(last night) I watered with 1 ml per gallon Liquid Karma, and 1 drop per gallon of superthrive, in ro water ph'd at 6.6.
I transplanted 7 of the bigger plants tonight which is why this posting is so short and late! They went from half gallons to 1.5 gallons, next stop, 3 gallons (cross fingers and hope that's enough!). I was surprised at how well the roots had developed on the 7 that I did transplant, like angel hair pasta! I am thrilled all seems to be going smoothly! (Knock on wood). I also transplanted the 3 lowlife lowryder myster indicas from their puny pots into half gallons. I maybe should have just put them into the 1.5 gallon pots too, but oh well.
So I walked into the show tonight, and the distinct smell of dank weed hits me! I am shocked! After nosing through each plant, I realize it's the lowryders! They smell great folks, I hope they give me a little appetizer while the Master Kush and AI finish!
I will post pics tomorrow!
Good Night!:D

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Picture update!
Here we are, Day 12 Veg, Plants are all looking super duper with the exception of the "GreenCrack", I don't know if it will make it. It's pretty runty, and the root system was very underdeveloped as compared to the others.
I have transplanted all into 1.5 gallon pots, I am still amazed at the root systems that I saw on these plants, they were only in there small pots for what 10 days or so? Unbelievable! I am hoping that these 1.5 gallon pots will contain them for another 30 days or so. There is some secondary branching developing on the Master Kush plants, the Aurora Indicas have not done the secondary branching as of yet, but they are keeping up with the MKs as far as nodes go. Leaf sets are looking nice, big fat fan leaves, some with 5 points, a few with seven. I do have a few leggy plants in their, and of course the circus freaks as well.:D

Pic 1 Most of the AI
Pic 2 Most of the MK
Pic 3 The light green 3 leaf freak
Pic 4 The Big MK w/ secondary branching (This one is going to be bushy)
Pic 5 The really fatty fat fan leaf AI next to the 3 leaf AI freak!

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Some more Pics.:)

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And...

[hydrocannabis]

dammm they R looken really killer.

loven the 3 leaf plant the best.:thumbsup:

cant wate to see how they turn out.:thumbsup:

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Hey thanks for stopping by! This has been really lonely!
Yeah I like the 3 leaf freak alot! It's really odd in developement and color? It has been that weird vibrant green since the day it popped out of the soil, and has never changed? I guess it's ok, it appears healthy otherwise. I do have another freak, but it looks kinda weak, leaves are all shrivled and look really small and dry or brittle even though they are soft. It's a MK though. The circus freak is nice to because it hasn't done any stretching, developing nice and short and kinda bushy!
Keep on comin' by! Don't let me love these things to death, it's only my second grow so I want to avoid any disaster mistakes if possible, any help you can give is appreciated! Thanks again for the kind words!:)

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Just for you hydro! Thanks again for the kind words, I hope that you and many more will jump on here and subscribe!
Growth from Day 1 Day 3, Day 5, Day 12.

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No pics tonight, feeling lazy. I watered last night with ph 6.7 ro, 1 drop per gallon ST, 1 ml/gallon calmag, 1 ml/gallon LK, 2 ml/gallon Pure Blend Pro Grow. We will see what happens. I watered to runoff, wanted to make sure they got good and saturated, it had been since about Sunday since most had any water, that was during transplant. I have yet to see any "transplant shock", even in my previous grow. My plants really haven't missed a beat at all. I may post some pics tomorrow night at day 15. I am hoping that I will be able to take a couple clones from each in a few weeks. I am a little worried, most all the AI seem to be doing the single cola thing which is great, but I am not sure how I will take clones? None of the AI's are really developing any significant side shoots, while the MKs are more so. We will see though, I still have a few weeks, hopefully, if all goes well, I will flip them around Oct 15th. I would love for them to start showing sex on their own so I could thin out the herd!:D I am damn near outta room.
Got my euro air cooled hoods in, LOVE THEM. REally easy to set up, work perfect with my existing ballast and socket. I initially set it up so my can fan was blowing through them, (I have them daisy chained together), but it didn't work all that well, so now it is pulling through them and pushing exhaust out into the attic, where it is going through a carbon scrubber. Damn near put a hole in the ceiling of my grow room when I was in the attic. I was standing on the dry wall and not the joist, ooops. Now there is a hair line crack. Luckily the dry wall is supporting the carbon scrubber, which was a biatch to get up there and set up right, (I think it weighs 35 or 40 lbs?!)
So far with the new hoods, my temps are maintaing at about 83ish degrees, but that's with both lights running! (I know it's a little overkill for veg, but I want to get an idea of what the temps will run in flower with both lamps).
83 doesn't sound that great, but when you consider that it was up to 91 92 with both lamps on with the ol' bat wings, you can imagine the tingly feelings I got in my legs!:D The lights are also about 6 inches closer to the canopy than they were previously too, so all that considered, they are doing their job! Now I just have to hope like hell my can fan doesn't go to shit due to the higher operating temps! It says on it not to exceed 80 degrees Celsius, I am no math wiz, but I think that's like a bizillon degrees Fahrenheit?:wtf:
The footprint from the hoods are much better too, getting a better coverage area than I was with the crappy ass bat wings! Will post pics tomorrow night!:jointsmile:

[Dutch Pimp]

Damn near put a hole in the ceiling of my grow room when I was in the attic. I was standing on the dry wall and not the joist, ooops. Now there is a hair line crack.

...been there ...done that...:D

really, nothing I can add...everything looks to be on schedule...:thumbsup:

I'm watching.

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...been there ...done that...:D

really, nothing I can add...everything looks to be on schedule...:thumbsup:

I'm watching.

Yeah! That's one of the things I never want to do ever again! All hunched over, sweat pouring off me, can't see a damn thing, cramps in my feet, legs, and back, and the moment I take a breath and kind of re adjust so that I don't feel like shit run over twice, I hear this soft, crack! Shit! Like I said I am just glad it can support the can fan, the last thing I need is to go in there and find my can fan on the floor of my grow room, and a big ass fucking hole about 26" wide in my ceiling! Boy, that would piss off the wife lady. I haven't mentioned the crack yet, maybe she won't notice, and I will be able to get some shit to plaster over it!:D

Thanks for coming by! Stay tuned! Don't let me do anything dumb! That's going to be a big job!:D

[8182KSKUSH]

[attachment=o202192]Not much to add, didn't do anything today, I did murder a male lowryder yesterday, and may have 1 more homicide to go yet, we'll see. Good news is that I did get 1 female.
The AI's and MK's are still growing like weeds. I do have a pic posted of some MK leafs that are showing signs of heat stress?
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I guess, the temps are lower than they have ever been, it may be light stress, what Dutch had talked about earlier on in the thread. I have been running both lights for the last several days since I got the Euros in there. It's steadily at 82, maybe 83 or 84 at the very peak of very very hot days, but steady at 81 82, and getting down well into the 70's in the wee hours of the night and morning as temps drop off outside. I couldn't be happier with them. I have also been rotating them daily, so I am really at a loss as to what it might be from? Are they thirsty? I can't fathom it's that, the pots aren't dry? Maybe low humidity? Other thing is, it's only on the MK plants? Odd huh? Any help here would be great!
I don't suspect they are really serious problems, but who knows?

Female lowryder sexy parts!:D
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The rest are just general shots of the garden and I will also post additional pics of individuals in the next post too. Thanks for stopping by and drop a line if you have any good suggestions!
:D

[8182KSKUSH]

And some more!

[8182KSKUSH]

Just a few more, I took'em, might as well post'em!

[hahaitsdoogle]

Excuse me if i seem rude, but how the hell you get them to grow so fast?

[Dutch Pimp]

Excuse me if i seem rude, but how the hell you get them to grow so fast?


You can grow some serious buds with two 400 watt HID lights, plus all the other toys...:thumbsup:...ideal conditions, and a little knowledge on how to make it work.


"I shit you, not"-SSG Barnes (Platoon)....:D

[8182KSKUSH]

Excuse me if i seem rude, but how the hell you get them to grow so fast?

Wow, not rude at all, thanks for the compliment! To be honest, I am just trying to do the very best I can with what I have, and trying to follow all of the excellent info and advice found here, as well as a few books. But really, just reading other logs, and all the info here has been waaay more informative than any books I have read. Here you get to see the practical application of knowledge which for me is easier to understand than just reading a book, over and over again.
I also did have 1 previous grow under my belt, I made tons and tons of mistakes, so I learned alot from that. Really I am just winging it and trying not to love them too much or make too many mistakes. The seeds are from nirvana, so maybe that helps as far as the plants growing well, other than that I dunno? I just try to keep it simple, and keep everything as consistent as possible. I will post some more pics very soon, maybe tonight. Their growth has surprised me, they are far and away better than the last grom I had, but I am doing almost everything differently too. I do have one, the greencrack, that is seriously runty. I will post a pic of that too.
Thanks again for the compliment! I hope they stay on track! Keep checking in!:D

[8182KSKUSH]

You can grow some serious buds with two 400 watt HID lights, plus all the other toys...:thumbsup:...ideal conditions, and a little knowledge on how to make it work.


"I shit you, not"-SSG Barnes (Platoon)....:D

Thank you sir, you are very kind! Yeah! 800 watts helps for sure! Good ventilation, and good soil don't hurt either! Sprinkle in a little "luck" and wammo! :D I am still no where near the level of knowledge most of you pros have, but I am always reading and learning, some day, some day!:jointsmile:

[Dutch Pimp]

All one has to do?...is grow enough to suit your needs. The KISS principle...:stoned:

[bloodbrother]

nice setup definately subscribing to this one.. everything is looking real good and im sure itll only get better.

How do you go about making your room light tight and still being able to get into it? From one of your first pictures it looks like its duct taped shut but how do you get in and out?

[8182KSKUSH]

Well, took alot of pictures tonight while I could.
On the 23rd, I watered in 3 ml/gallon Pro Grow and 1 ml/gallon calmag. Again, just to runoff, barely. 2 days later, still waiting for them to dry, will likely water Saturday, unless they feel lots lighter tomorrow.
I had wondered about some odd leaves, they looked dry, or heat stressed, but I think that I have found the culprit. I think, maybe it's too much direct wind. Sounds weird I know, but the plant that was showing these symptoms was positioned in the back by the socket of the lights, but it was taking the brunt of the forced air intake I have. Until now they have not been tall enough so I haven't had any issues, but I rotated plants, and sure as shit, the new MK I put there started showing the same signs a couple of days later. Has anyone ever heard of this before? I wonder if the wind is causing the leaves to dehydrate or something maybe? Maybe now and maybe it's just something else all together that I am missing. Any input on this would be greatly appreciated!
The pics.

Pic 1 Overall shot
Pic 2 Aurora Indicas
Pic 3 Master Kush
Pic 4 Side Shot AI in foreground, MK in background
Pic 5 Side Shot MK foreground, AI in background

[Dutch Pimp]

I'm not sure? could many things...that's the trick, heading off problems......maybe, try off-setting plants some. MH lights are tricky...more than HPS. IMO.

I still think it's too early for both lights.... just my opinion, not advice.

First 30 days....grow roots, leaves can wait.

[8182KSKUSH]

All one has to do?...is grow enough to suit your needs. The KISS principle...:stoned:

Exactly! :thumbsup:


nice setup definately subscribing to this one.. everything is looking real good and im sure itll only get better.

How do you go about making your room light tight and still being able to get into it? From one of your first pictures it looks like its duct taped shut but how do you get in and out?

The picture that you are referring to is my exterior window, I had originally planned on using the area to keep moms and clones, but I don't want to now, it's kinda a pain in the ass to keep sealing it up. Yes, I am a big fan of panda plastic, and duct tape! Here are pictures of my door though, again, panda plastic and duct tape, took a day to get it figured out, but it is light tight! Works really well, and was really simple to do.
I just hung a sheet of pp over the door and frame. Then cut out the middle, (the door part) leaving the plastic around the frame. Then I went back and duct taped the fuck all the way around it except for the side that opens of course. On the hinge, it's taped to the wall and door, and the other side and top is taped to the wall outside the frame. Then went back with a staple gun and stapled it, where you see the cardboard pieces. Putting the cardboard over the pp just help prevent the pp from ripping. On the bottom, I taped pp to the door, and stapled a large piece of cardboard folded @ a 90 degree angle to the door on top of the pp. So when I leave and shut the door, the pp is flush against the bottom crack. Works awesome and is nearly airtight too. I hope that all made sense. Hopefully the pictures will fill in the gaps if it doesn't.

The window area
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The Door
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It's amazing how something so simple can be so crucial! I am really proud of my door! Works well, no light in, no light out!

[8182KSKUSH]

I'm not sure? could many things...that's the trick, heading off problems......maybe, try off-setting plants some. MH lights are tricky...more than HPS. IMO.

I still think it's too early for both lights.... just my opinion, not advice.

First 30 days....grow roots, leaves can wait.

Dutch, I consider your opinion sound advice!:D I just can't help myself running both now that I can. I am for sure probably at a point of diminishing returns when you factor in the cost. I think I will force myself to cut down to one at a time again, it's just so hard to now, it looks soo dark with just one after having them both run. LOL
But the plus is with one, my temps get way down into the 70s (75ish, that's way down for me!):D And now that I think about it, the leaf issue did coincide with when I started running both? So maybe the MK's need a break or are slightly more sensitive than the AI's to the HID.
I know this, I am getting over raising my lights, and fan, every 5 days or so! I know that one of these times I am going to fall my ass over and smash my plants!

Also had to post a pic of my panda plastic make shift drip tray that I made for my makeshift table!
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[8182KSKUSH]

Here are some pics of the green crack compared to my most vigorous MK. The GC came from a batch that I had from a dispensary in Hollywood, the only seed in an 1/8, not that great compared to other GC I have had, but I thought WTF why not try it eh?

Looks good by itself, pretty healthy I guess.

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Compared to an average AI
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Compared to the best MK
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[8182KSKUSH]

Random AI
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The 3 Leaved Light Green Freak
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The Fatty Fat Fat Leaved AI (The broadest Leaves, 9 pointers too!)
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The MK #10
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Group Photo AI!
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[Dutch Pimp]

When you go to 12/12...then, you can rock&roll with both lights.

so...tell me ...what's the signal for YOU ...to go to 12/12 flowering cycle?...what's the plan?....you have to be ready in advance.

[8182KSKUSH]

Just some pics of random leaves, 1st two and the last one are from the AI's, the third one is from the MK. Then a pic of my intake blasting away on my MK's.:jointsmile:

Dutch, it makes much more sense that my issue would be the lights, since it's affecting the leaves at the top of the plant. I am switching them to one on one off now! Thanks again. Getting input from others is the best, I would have never convinced myself otherwise! LOL:D

[8182KSKUSH]

When you go to 12/12...then, you can rock&roll with both lights.

so...tell me ...what's the signal for YOU ...to go to 12/12 flowering cycle?...what's the plan?....you have to be ready in advance.

Aw, well you know I have a plan!
As far as the plants telling me they are ready, I am looking for alternating nodes and or pre-flowers, BUT, if they get to the point where they are nearing 24 inches tall, I will probably have to flip them regardless, if I don't then I may run out of room by the time they finish. I only have 8 ft ceilings, my table is yaye high, plus the pots, plus the plants, equals, I can't have anything much taller than a 4-5 foot plant is my guess. I will take a couple clones from each as well, so I won't be flowering until I do that! If possible, (not all the AI's are developing side shoots yet, and some may not I think the single cola plant is common in this strain, and I haven't topped any, I just wanted to let them go as naturally as possible this first run), then run the clones, eventually moving them into my hydrohut in another room under a set of t12s to root, and veg. I am thinking that I will be flowering shortly after taking clones, so once I get my males, I will go back and trash my male clones, then start vegging my females to get them ready to flower. Depending on how things go, make a couple moms from a few selected clones, and then throw the rest into flower. Then start fucking around with LST my second round of clones, keeping moms, taking more clones, and so on and so on. I would like to get 3 runs counting this one finished by June next year. Then hang it up for the summer, and start up again next fall. What do you think?:)

Wow, sorry I just reread that, and it is hard to read, forgive me, it's late, and my thoughts are kind of all over the place!:wtf:

[allkillanofilla]

if you want your heat way down you should use two cool tubes hooked up together with ducting with a can fan pulling the air right out of the bulb area then simply run ducting out of the room and throw a carbon filter on the end of it all (best if in the attic)to get those smells filtered ... thats how i did it keeps my temp at 78 day / 74 night

[8182KSKUSH]

Yeah I know. Cool tubes would probably help a little more, I almost got them, but the price difference between those and the euros and the footprint swayed me. It's just a personal thing, but I don't think that they leave as good of a footprint as some other reflectors. I agree though, it would probably get my temps down a few more degrees. I did see someone's grow here where they were using them vertically and surrounding them, (yes they were running 4 1000 watts) that I loved! I would like to do that some day!
I forget that my house thermostat is at 75 sometimes, and the room I am using is consistently at 77 before I converted it, so running 3 to 5 degrees hotter, I should probably not bitch too much about I guess!:D

[Dutch Pimp]

I stick to basic growing. I don't know how taking clones affects/starting time for 12/12..I assume two weeks later, than normal...(just a guess)(I don't do cloning)

I go to 12/12 when I...1. see preflowers...or ...2. 12-15 inches tall...(5 -8 nodes)...usually around 30 days.

After sex is known...I switch/transplant to 10 inch pots....or (whatever the largest size pots to be used are.)

Back on the subject of two lights for vegging?...another option might be to switch to 18/6. I know ...I'm confusing....:stoned:

[8182KSKUSH]

I stick to basic growing. I don't know how taking clones affects/starting time for 12/12..I assume two weeks later, than normal...(just a guess)(I don't do cloning)

I go to 12/12 when I...1. see preflowers...or ...2. 12-15 inches tall...(5 -8 nodes)...usually around 30 days.

After sex is known...I switch/transplant to 10 inch pots....or (whatever the largest size pots to be used are.)

Back on the subject of two lights for vegging?...another option might be to switch to 18/6. I know ...I'm confusing....:stoned:

If/when I get to clones, I think from what I have read also, 2 weeks is the normal recovery time, so when I get those then yep, 2 weeks later they wil go into flower. You think these could be ready to flower, they are tall, some of this is stretch though from earlier on when I had my lights much higher to compensate for the temps. No preflowers yet on any of them, but I was wondering if they could be flipped nowish, just out of curiosity, not that I am going to.
I was wondering, would playing with lights in veg affect the plants? Switching from 24 hours to 18/6 or even going from running 2 down to 1? I really have no idea? You wouldn't think so huh?

[Dutch Pimp]

I was wondering, would playing with lights in veg affect the plants? Switching from 24 hours to 18/6 or even going from running 2 down to 1? I really have no idea? You wouldn't think so huh?
If I had vegging plants that had "heat or light stress" leaves...I would do something...right or wrong.

UV light from MH bulbs is very tricky. (just stick your hand under the light for 5 minutes...then you will feel their pain)

[8182KSKUSH]

If I had vegging plants that had "heat or light stress" leaves...I would do something...right or wrong.

UV light from MH bulbs is very tricky. (just stick your hand under the light for 5 minutes...then you will feel their pain)

All right! Jeez you are making me feel guilty! :S2:
You are right, I am just going to stick with running one on one off and switch them every day. I know when I was doing that, I didn't have any of this going on, and they were still growing like weeds!
I will probably water again tomorrow or saturday if I can hold off till saturday night I will try to, but some of the pots are already getting a little light. I bet cutting down the light might save on water labor too! As it is now though, I watered last saturday, then again on tuesday night. So I am betting I will probably get to tomorrow. After that though it will be intresting to see if they can go an extra day or two beyond what they have been doing.

I forgot to mention to, as far as flowering in the previous conversation, I will transplant to 3 gallon pots a few weeks prior to flipping them, I hope that will be enough dirt to contain them through flower! Yikes, the big MK is already 15 inches tall! We'll see how that goes I guess, I suspect that may be one thing that throws a kink into this grow. I really hope not though.

[8182KSKUSH]

p.s.
Thanks for the rating on this thread! I am flattered, that is very cool!:)

[8182KSKUSH]

Last night I gave them all a good mini-flush with ph 6.7/ 1 drop of st/gallon in, and to my astonishment, it came out at 6.7?! Good to know I guess. I am going to adjust and feed with 6.8 from here on out since it is already creeping downward. They will get the repot before flowering into 3 gallons, so that should help when the time comes.

[8182KSKUSH]

Note too.
All my MK have cloneable shoots I think. I will be taking 2 from each. I am still waiting on the AIs, so far only 1 has cloneable shoots, the rest are all just branchless spears.
No preflowers on any yet, unless I am missing them. And I may be.
Oh, the lowryder is flowering, 2 out of the 3 were males, they are dead now. :D

[8182KSKUSH]

Watered last night, 2 cups for each plant, just a very slight runoff, 2ml/gallon cal mag and 2ml/gallon pro grow. They were dry! Sucking up quite a bit of water now.
3 or 4 of my MK are females, the rest are males, and a few haven't shown.
None of my AI are showing, though a few have alternating nodes.
I got 2 clones from each of the MK, (yes the suspected males too, just in case I am wrong.)
They are charging now and I expect them to be fine. No AI clones, a couple could give me a couple, but I also ran out of Rapid Rooters!:D I will probably just try to reveg a mum from AI. Once I am 100% on sex of the MK, I will get rid of the males and pick a mom from the clones, then put the rest into flower with the originals, (whenever they are veg'd a little) This will kinda give me a second harvest here a little sooner. I don't know how long I will veg them, not long. So I guess I will be flowering no later than day 40 veg, but maybe sooner. I only took 2 clones from each MK, so they may be able to recover quickly. We'll see I guess, I don't know how to tell if they are recovered from the cloning? I would like to repot into 3 gallon pots prior to flowering within the next 15 days, would that push out time to flip them, I have never had a problem before transplanting, do they need recovery time after repotting?:wtf:

[8182KSKUSH]

Ho hum...
Not much going on now. Just rotated them around tonight, looks like I will be watering again either tomorrow or saturday.
Got my clones just trying to root.
Question?
Do any of you re-pot after you start flowering? I would like to flip them as soon as possible, but I would also like them to really fill out there current pots and get repotted to 3 gallons. How far into flower have some of you repotted?

[Dutch Pimp]

Question?
Do any of you re-pot after you start flowering? I would like to flip them as soon as possible, but I would also like them to really fill out there current pots and get repotted to 3 gallons. How far into flower have some of you repotted?

When I start 12/12 flowering, I transplant into the largest pot, that I am going to use...period. JUST as soon as the plants show me some sex. (preflowers). That can be as late as two weeks into flowering/12/12 cycle. IMO. No sense in transplanting males. Off with their heads...:thumbsup:

[8182KSKUSH]

When I start 12/12 flowering, I transplant into the largest pot, that I am going to use...period. JUST as soon as the plants show me some sex. (preflowers). That can be as late as two weeks into flowering/12/12 cycle. IMO. No sense in transplanting males. Off with their heads...:thumbsup:


Exactly! The last thing I need or want to do is transplant 13 males and then kill them a week later!
So you don't think it's too big a deal to flip them first, sex them, then transplant them? Surely if I get it done within 2 weeks of flipping them they will do just fine.
Hmm.
I am extremely worried about my AI's, so far none have shown any female pre-flowers, I hope I don't end up with 7 or 8 males out of those!:mad: Quite a few of them have what I think are male preflowers, but am not sure yet, whatever they are they are soooo small it's hard to tell. I am really just hoping for 8- 10 females out of the 20 beans so we will see what happens.

[8182KSKUSH]

All signs of light stress seem to have subsided, since going to one on and one off. I am sure they are much happier!:)

[Dutch Pimp]

it's the luck of the draw...on the sex of a seed....and I "don't cotton" to fem seeds.

grow you own seeds, soon. Then plant twice as many seeds. You have found out, it don't take much light for VEGGING.

[8182KSKUSH]

That ain't no kidding!
Got myself a couple t12s to keep clones under, once they are rooted of course. Once I flip these to flower, and switch bulbs, I may not use those MHs again for a while. At least they are still in good shape I guess, and will be good backups in case of emergency.
All right. I am going to figure out the best on/off times for my schedule, get the bulbs swapped and get on with it.:) My lowryder will love it.

[Dutch Pimp]

get the bulbs swapped and get on with it.

switch to HPS bulbs?...I assume.

HPS bulbs are a lot more forgiving, than MH bulbs...IMO....except, I prefer CMH bulbs...:)

[8182KSKUSH]

HPS, yes sir exactly.:jointsmile:

[8182KSKUSH]

All righty, we are all set.
The first offical night will come tomorrow morning @ 9. I will be up @ 8 to wait for the sunset. Just swapped bulbs today, double, triple checked for light leaks. Got my bottle of reverse out and ready. I will probably water tonight, give them all a good shot of pro grow, liquid karma, cal mag, and that should do it. I may leave out the liquid karma though.
Clones are staying moist in the dome.
So the first offical day of flowering will be tomorrow @ 9 pm.
So this is the end of the veg.

I can't believe I only veg'd for 27 days. Holy cow, I expected to veg for 45 days. We will see how it all ends up. My goals for the end of this round, 1. Find and establish a few good mothers, 1 or 2 of each strain if possible. 2. Finish with some smokeables. 3. Smoke them.:D

[8182KSKUSH]

Well, here we go.
NOthing really happening, just hit everyone with some reverse tonight as per the instructions on the bottle. I will follow up with the Day 10 application as well.
No picture today, feeling lazy, they all look the same as last time, just slightly bigger.
Now just sit back and count how many ladies I am going to get out of this. I know I have 3 MK, that's all I can tell for sure as of now.
Clones are chillin', on top of my direct tv reciever. I am sure they are fine, just misted the dome once today, gave the rapid rooters a small squirt, they didn't need it. It's awesome how much moisture those things retain. I am sure the plants are dry from their "reverse" shower. It says on the bottle to spray to runoff. I sprayed them all well. They were pretty much dry before I left the room, but I wanted to let my ballasts cool down before I fired them up again.
As far as feeding, I plan to continue the pro grow for at least the next 10 days, or until I can sex, and repot which will also be about 10 to 14 days ish.
Cross your fingers for me and pray for girls please!

[8182KSKUSH]

All righty, we are all set.
I will probably water tonight, give them all a good shot of pro grow, liquid karma, cal mag, and that should do it. I may leave out the liquid karma though.
:D

Follow up here, I did water with 3ml/gallon progrow, 2ml/gallon cal/mag and 1ml/gallon of LK. Ph'd it at 6.8, it was at about 350ppm I think, that sounds like it rings a bell. I know I don't really need to know the ppm for the soil, but I have the pen and it's just sitting there, so why not?:D I can tell the soil is starting to go down ph wise, but I think it will be fine for a few more weeks until I can repot. I will probably switch to flower nutes in a couple weeks.
I need to get down to the hydro store and really look at the sweet and the other one that is for bud enhancing. I think if all is going well I will try to use these products as well. Any tips or advice?

[8182KSKUSH]

Well, nothing eventful happening. I am going to water tonight with just plain ph'd ro h2o @ 6.8 w/ 1 drop per gallon of super thrive and 2 ml/gallon of cal mag.
I have peeked in on them twice and do have some MK ladies, but still not sure about the AI.:(
Lowryder MI is flowering, I guess.
Turned off the central air yesterday, oops.
Left the lid off my clone dome for about 8 hours today, oops.
I will try to get some photos soon, when I feel like it, I guess.:jointsmile:
Still waiting on Day 10 flower, 2nd dose of reverse, hopefully I will have some for sure males weeded out by then too. As soon as I get them sexed they will be repotted right away. That's about the next big event coming down the pipe, aside from crying over my clones that I will loose soon maybe.
DAMN IT!:mad:

[InspectahEX]

Whats up people!!! Great Log, lets get more pics!:smokin:

[8182KSKUSH]

Thank you for coming by, hit subscribe, put on your safety belt and hold on. I will be posting pics tomorrow night late california time.
Just finished watering them, randomly sampled some runoff at 6.7, watered with 6.8. Preflowers are in on most plants, starting anyway, too early to tell still for most of them, I can see some females though. I hope they show soon so I can cut down on my labor!:D

[8182KSKUSH]

Okey Dokey here are some pics today. The flowering plant is the sole lowryder.
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[hahaitsdoogle]

Okey Dokey here are some pics today. The flowering plant is the sole lowryder.
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Looking very resinous! How sticky you think on a 1-5 scale? 5 being stickiest for early flower stage.

[8182KSKUSH]

Looking very resinous! How sticky you think on a 1-5 scale? 5 being stickiest for early flower stage.


Oh I dunno maybe a 1.
I really haven't messed with the lowryder too much, I couldn't even see those baby trichs until I looked at the picture!

The rest are still wondering why the fuck it keeps getting dark and why everything is yellowish orangeish all the sudden.
Lost 2 of my clones in the meantime, just wilted over and died on me, no doubt from my stupidly leaving the dome off all day yesterday! The rest still going strong though. I hope my females make it!

[8182KSKUSH]

Well, so far, I have:
5 MK Females, 5 Males.
1 AI Female, 6 Males, 3 Undecided
1 GreenCrack Female! (Lucked out on that one!)
And a still flowering Lowlife Lowryder Mystery Indica.
Next, I will be transplanting to their final homes, 3 gallon pots. I have some holes to drill.
I picked up some hydroplex today, the hydro guy said to use it all the way through flowering.
Anyone with any other insight on using this with soil, (cough cough weedhound)!
4 more days and they will get their final squirts of reverse.
I hate spraying! My leaves look like shit. Some of it is also due to not very carefully watering too, splash a little here, splash a little there.
I really really really hope that my other 3 AI plants are in fact female. I will be hugely disappointed if they turn out to be males.
It will be nice to get things thinned down in there! Wheew!
Now if only my clones would survive.
Looks like I will be re-vegging an AI for sure, but likely a MK, and the GreenCrack as well if it turns out ok. I just do not want to run all the way from the beginning with seeds AGAIN! Once I make my final cuts, and get these ladies re-potted, I will post some new pics. Hopefully they will look better than they do now.:mad:

[Dutch Pimp]

4 more days and they will get their final squirts of reverse. I wouldn't touch that "reverse' with a ten foot pole. IMO....:sorry1:

[8182KSKUSH]

Well, here is the breakdown.
4 MK females
1 AI female
1 GC female

All I have to say....
AAAAAAAARG!:mad:

Clones, not looking so good. One is rooting really well, 2 have some new growth. The others don't look like they will make it, and of course the 12 male clones are now gone.

On the bright side, I have lots of room to work now. And my plants won't have too much competition for the 2 400 Watts of HPS.

It is looking more and more likely that I will be needing to re-veg my sole AI obviously if I want to keep it, as well as the MK.
Lowryder is looking good.
Did I mention I got a total of 18 males out of 24 seeds.
FUCK FUCK FUCKITY FUCK FUCK!:mad:

I re-potted everyone except the greencrack, I will re-pot her next dry period. All the girls were once again totally root bound, again, I am shocked at the roots on these plants. Hopefully all the horrible bad stuff is behind me and the rest of this grow will have more ups than downs. I can't help but wonder if something I did could have caused this sausage fest, but I guess it's really just a numbers game. I expected 50/50, and ended up with something like 6 females out of a total of 24 seeds so that's like what 25% female ratio. :mad:
I am hell bent on NO MORE SEEDS! I never want to waste another drop of nutes, or minute of effort on my part to cultivate males.
Now, I am going to go do some killing.:chainsaw::chainsaw::chainsaw:

[8182KSKUSH]

Well, it's day 10. Everyone got their second shot of Reverse and we are going down the home stretch.
My 4 MK ladies are spittin' pistols as well as my AI and GC.
The lowryder is just trucking along and I think it looks healthier than all the others, it's stinky too.
I am an idiot, and took the pictures under the HPS of course, so they look like shit.
Everyone is re-potted now, just did the GC tonight and cleaned up the grow room.
I will try to get some better pics here after a while, once there is something worthy of pictures anyway. Right now it's kinda ho-hum.

Lowlife Lowryder Mystery Indica
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And Misc. crappy ass pictures.

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Here you can see the GreenCrack Lady on the left hand side next to the LLLRMI, very droopy, desperately needed to be re-potted.
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This was a pain in the ass night, had to move my lights up, also cleaned them out and wiped out my glass, it was very very dirty.

Tomorrow night, everyone except the GC will get fed some Botanicare Pro Bloom soil, CalMag of course, and Hydroplex.
Temps are steady around 76-78, but they do get down a little lower during lights off.
It kinda looks like to me I am getting some "claw" going on. Not too sure why, I cut off veg nutes already, so I wouldn't think that it was due to excess nitrogen? Maybe light stress? I dunno.
Other than that, not much else to add.

[8182KSKUSH]

Well, I realized that I missed logging my last feeding.
Tonight, I fed 3ml/gallon of Bloom, Hydroplex, and CalMag, with 1 drop/gallon of superthrive as well.
I am pretty much just guessing on my nutes, trying to keep it low and work up. If anyone has any input please let me know.
I have never used hydroplex or calmag with soil, this is different because I am using ro water this time. (therefore the calmag is needed) and I wanted to use the hydroplex this go around. Any advice would be appreciated.
I also used a drop of liquid dish soap this time to be sure that everyone got very well and evenly watered. PH runoff was right at 6.7 and everything went in at 6.8. So that's not to bad.
My next watering will be just plain ph'd ro water with some calmag, maybe 3 or 4 ml/gallon again. Get a good mini flush on. Then back to feeding again. I am going about 2 times feeding to 1 time mini flush if that makes any sense.
Later gators.

[8182KSKUSH]

The GreenCrack and AI are looking better today. I will be watering plain ph'd ro h20 with cal mag. That's it, it looks like I am mini flushing every 3rd watering, and I am basically watering every tuesday and saturday night.
Lowryder is looking stinky and trich'd out. It actually looks awesome, I just suspect it will only yield like an ounce or less, probably waay less. We'll see though, I don't know a damn thing about it.
That's it.:D

[8182KSKUSH]

Well!
Um it seems that I have some pics to post. There has been significant growth.
They all went from just a few pairs of creamy white pistols that you had to really look for to all of the sudden pinky nail sized flowers. Just babies, and some baby trichs. They are starting to frame up and look more like lovely ladies.
There was something going on with some of the older fan leaves, not really sure what? Whatever it was has not affected any new growth which all looks good. There are also some intresting things that maybe are perfectly normal that I just never noticed. I dunno? I will post some pics of everything probably monday night.
I watered tonight with 6.8 ro h20 with 3ml/gallon calmag, and 1ml/gallon hydroplex. Just wanted to give them something really light and get a little bit of runoff.
The AI is looking pretty decent, it is just runty and bushy.
The GC has a problem, I will post pics and what I see Monday as well.
Lowryder trichs still pretty clear, will post pics and see what you all think.
Later.:jointsmile:
Oh! And now I have 4 clones that have started pushing through the RR they are in! I thought I lost them all but 1 or 2. Lucky me, hopefully they will make!
I need to get a veg area set up soon. :wtf:

[hydrocannabis]

well lets seem.:D I gota get this strain to grow.

this looks like a damm damm damm nice strain.:D

wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow wow.

[8182KSKUSH]

Now that I have something worthy of posting.

First the cripples.
Green Crack
Don't know what is wrong with it, hope it gets over it.
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Here is the 1 AI out of 10 seeds from Nirvana folks. Guess I just have bad luck.
Pretty runty, bushy though I guess.
Some leaf issues, again not sure what is wrong. Hope it gets over it, I am sure it will be fine. I guess?:wtf:
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Well, everytime I go in there I think, "humph! Those look nice, how lucky am I?"

They are doing great. Flowers are starting to clump together right now, really looking lovely.
LLLRMI trichs are maybe half clear half cloudy, more clear than cloudy though.
Now I am getting a little excited.
Fed last night,
3ml/gallon of Pro Bloom and cal mag
2ml/gallon of hydroplex.
PH at 6.8. light runoff.
The really big MK really drinks it down fast and is probably gonna mess up my sched that I have them no now. I suspect it may need some water friday, it was really really dry and even lighter than the others, which were close to dry like they should be. I think it's just bigger and just drinks more I guess.
The other 3 mk really look alot alike. Even though the "big MK" is bigger, the flowers are bigger on the other 3 shorter MK. Actaully so are the flowers on the AI and GC too. The GC is the trichiest of all of them, go figure it's the most fucked up plant I have to and it just keeps chuggin' along.
Hopefully the lowryder will be ready in 30 days or so. We'll see I guess I have no idea how long it's supposed to go, I will just watch the little shinny golf balls on those little tiny golf tees.:D

That's it, for now I guess.

[8182KSKUSH]

Well, I wasn't expecting to feed tonight, but low and behold, all 4 MK are dry and light. Ready for more.
I still haven't really seen any burn from my light feeding, so I am going to bump it up a little tonight.
4ml/gallon Pro Bloom
3ml/gallon Cal Mag
3ml/gallon Hydroplex

I am really just guessing on my dosages here. Anyone that has some time under their belt with MK, from Nirvana feel free to chime in on what levels you have used with soil grow.
In the meantime I will just continue to creep it up 1ml at a time. I am more interested in the ratios of using the calmag and hydroplex, in conjuction with the Pro Bloom.
In the meantime I am winging it.
The AI and GC (which is more sugary than any of the others, and the most sickly looking of all) can still wait on their next feeding.
Lowryder is looking lovely, flowers are growing fast. Couldn't be happier.
I'll get some pics posted soon.:D

[8182KSKUSH]

Hey just to add, in addition to the previous post I also added about 2-3 ml of molasses per gallon. Just thought everything was going to well, so I needed to do something to doom my grow might as well be this!.
Just joking of course, but really I hope that I am feeding in good portions with what I am using. I would really love to hear from anyone else and what they do for a soil feeding schedule.
Word.:wtf:

[8182KSKUSH]

Well, I fed everyone today.
The mix I adjusted slightly, I noticed what may be a little burning maybe, maybe it's something else. Who the fuck knows? Anyway, the mix was
3ml/gallon Pro Bloom
3ml/calmag
3ml/hydroplex.
In at 6.8, runoff was 6.72323232323232 you get the picture.
That's pretty much it.
I am pleased with the overall health and growth of the plants, very happy actually, pleasantly surprised.
The greencrack for sure has the largest flowers now, out of all of them, and is by far the most sugary. I am very shocked at the flowers on this "sick plant". Hmmm!
Lowryder is mostly cloudy trichs, still a few here and there clear. No amber yet. Still waiting, still watching!:jointsmile:

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Well, apparently the kush is good.
I got a little off on my counting.
Today, should be day 24 of flower.
The last post should not be day 28, it's day 24.
I am not sure what is wrong with me.
Whatever.:wtf:

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Well, I have some pics. They will be the next several posts.
First up, all MK, the big branchy one with the smallest flowers. All the MK still just have baby trichs at this point.
This post will be the plant overall, next closeups of the same MK plant.

Yeah, she's a real xmas tree for sure!
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A shot of a yellow leaf, I have had a handful of big old fan leaves yellow and die. I don't care I guess, it's probably not good, but I am not too worried, overall the plant seems fine. I just chalked it up to natural phenomena.

Top shot, here you can see where there were previously multiple flower heads, they have now merged together and are getting a little bigger everday.

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All the following are pictures of the same "kinda sickly" Aurora Indica female. The One.
I think I will name her Obama.
The GreenCrack was actually the original runt, but it has caught up to the runty AI now and they are the same size.
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I will post new pics when there is some significant changes.
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[danish]

where do i sign up to merry that lovely kush?

looking REAL good if you ask me

[8182KSKUSH]

where do i sign up to merry that lovely kush?

looking REAL good if you ask me

lol!
Thank you for the kind words! I appreciate it!:D

[8182KSKUSH]

Well, I can't believe this, but my pots almost feel like they could be watered again tonight? WTF? I am going to make them wait until tomorrow to ensure they are dry and buffer against me being crazy.
One of my 3 shorter MK ladies, overnight, has become very crystally. I did a double take on it earlier when I peeked in. It is almost as sugary as the GC, and last night there was barely a trace of baby trichs! Wowee!:jointsmile:
I have been going 2 feedings 1 plain, but I think I am going to go ahead and feed them again. I suspect the amounts that I am using are light enough that I want to see what I can get away with. Soil ph is still ok so we'll see.
I did leave out the molasses last time, the time I used it I did notice some burning, (or what I think was burning) very slightly on a few leaves. Nothing significant though. I think I will skip it again, and just up the doses from last time.

[8182KSKUSH]

Well, I fed today, everyone got a really good soak in some 6.7, w/ 5ml/gallon of ProBloom, CalMag, and Hydroplex, a drop of dish soap as well..
That is by far the heaviest feeding I have done with them yet so we will see how it goes. If they can handle this then I will leave the calmag and hydroplex at 5ml/gallon, and continue to increase the Pro Bloom, next stop 6ml/gallon!:wtf:
I always just check my ppm since I can as I mix my nutes to feed, and this ended up at 700ppm. Last feeding was around 500, so all you soil guys, any of you check ppm of what your feeding, and if so what's the most you have fed?

Oh and interesting note, my ph runoff came out at 6.72? WTF? I put it in at 6.72, and that is what the runoff read last time as well when I fed at 6.8. I am not complaining, and I guess it's probably not a bad thing, I just expected the runoff to read a little lower than normal since I was feeding 6.7 instead of 6.8, so does this mean that my actual soil ph is 6.7? What does it mean?:stoned:

[Shovelhandle]

that is a lot of photos. <G> nice job.

and if your plants are extra thirsty, as long as they are thriving then let them have a drink. :)

[8182KSKUSH]

that is a lot of photos. <G> nice job.

and if your plants are extra thirsty, as long as they are thriving then let them have a drink. :)


Sir thank you for stopping by and for the kind words!
I am an extremist with everything! So this grow I decided to be highly disciplined as to how often I watered. As with everything that I do, I may be in danger of taking it over the top though.
I fear that maybe I am under feeding or watering, my big fan leaves on the lower end of the plants are yellowing and dropping off. My GC literally has 2 or 3 main big ones left. All the others have plenty, but I literally loose 1 off every plant every other day it seems at this point. I know to some extent that is normal, however, I wonder how it may affect yield down the road loosing them this early on in flower.
Otherwise they look fine, all the new growth is just fine, flowers are chugging along, and vertical growth has leveled off.

I have done 3 feeding in a row, I think the next watering will be another semi-flush with ro + calmag. Do any of you flush soil using ro without calmag? Is that ok, would be good to know.
From there on out I will kinda try to be more generous with the water and feeding, see if I can't get some obesity going on!:D

[Shovelhandle]

the fanleaves falling off? usually, it's nothing we can do about that. It's a good thing, because I've never been able to stop 'em. :hippy:

[8182KSKUSH]

Oh, well good then!
Sounds like I am worried over not too much.
Thanks again sir!:D

[hydrocannabis]

wow now thats what I call a nice grow.

[8182KSKUSH]

wow now thats what I call a nice grow.


Really? You are all too kind really. Thanks all for the kind words.:)

[8182KSKUSH]

Anyways,
I fed again today, full on feeding, I am going to rinse/flush them next watering probably.
Tonight I fed them
5ml/gallon of all: Liquid Karma, Pro Bloom, CalMag+, and Hydroplex.
I also added a ml or 2ml of molasses.
PH was 6.7-6.8ish, about 790ppm going in.
Anyone have experience with Pro Bloom? Back of the bottle says use 30ml/gallon, I am using um 5ml.
I am planning on moving up in increments of 1 ml per feeding, but if anyone has any experience with nirvanas MK, and it's tolerance to nutes in soil, then chime in please.:D

[8182KSKUSH]

I am for sure going to give them a real deal good flush next watering. I last flushed about 2 weeks ago, and have fed 4 times since then so they will be due I guess. I didn't check the soil ph tonight, but last feeding it was spot on, so I wouldn't expect too much variance. When I flush, is it still advisable to use the cal mag with my water? Anyone?
I will finish the flush with a 1/4 strength feeding (1/4 of my last watering.).
Everyone that knows, am I still headed down the right path here. Speak up! These ladies lives may depend on it!:stoned:

[Whattheheck]

I appreciate the work you're putting into this. :thumbsup:

[8182KSKUSH]

THank you so much for the kind words sir.:jointsmile: Stay tuned, we are just now getting into the home stretch here, actually I should be pulling down the lowryder shortly, as soon as the trichs get some color to them. Of course the others all have quite some time left.:jointsmile:

[8182KSKUSH]

Picture Update Time.
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If anyone has any questions about any of the pics just speak up!
I dunno why they all look so wierd, they really aren't that yellow! Just the HPS I guess? But if you all are seeing anything of concern please let me know!:D

[8182KSKUSH]

all the ladies gott a flush today, plain ph ro water at 6.8.

finished with light dose feeding of 3ml/gallon of pro bloom, cal mag, hydroplex, and a touch of mollasses. that's it!
runoff was 6.7 to 6.8 o all plants.
I am dumbstruck with how stable my soil ph has been up to this point!
not complaining though!

[theforthdrive]

"So why do you have a key lock on that bedroom door?" My mother inlaw asks me while she was here visiting recently.

So you don't open the door walk in, have a heart attack and die on the spot! I keep large highly venemous snakes in there, no cages, they just hang from the ceiling fan!



Damn, we have the same problems1! :jointsmile:


Nice log bud! I love those smoke detectors right next to your plants. can never be to cautious huh? LOL wait until one goes off and you go running down the hall way and kick in the door! My GF and I still laugh. when we first met she had no idea what I was doing we were on the phone and all she heard was beeping, me screaming holy fuck, the phone dropping, and me slamming doors! LOL, then youll feel like a jackass when its just a dead battery. Good times, keep up the good work!

[8182KSKUSH]

Damn, we have the same problems1! :jointsmile:


Nice log bud! I love those smoke detectors right next to your plants. can never be to cautious huh? LOL wait until one goes off and you go running down the hall way and kick in the door! My GF and I still laugh. when we first met she had no idea what I was doing we were on the phone and all she heard was beeping, me screaming holy fuck, the phone dropping, and me slamming doors! LOL, then youll feel like a jackass when its just a dead battery. Good times, keep up the good work!


Good god damn! That's funny stuff! Glad you brought up the low battery thing, I will keep that in the back of my mind! Might save me from having to replace a door jam!:jointsmile::D

[8182KSKUSH]

Picture update time. I wasn't going to take any pics, but I was in there and bored so here they are. They are all still a little heavy, except MK#7 (The tall long leg lady), she was a little lighter than the rest. Still soaking up all the moisture from the flush. I am betting they will need fed Sunday, maybe Monday, but I would be surprised if they went that long.

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[theforthdrive]

nice pics! I wish i could get some of those long kolas. Mine seem to just ball at the top. Not to hijack your thread but how do you embed those pics? Im gonna throw a few things up. do you have to put the pics in an albums first? And then the code looks in that album?

[hydrocannabis]

wow fucken A.:D:thumbsup:

thouse plants look real kick ass.
I am for sure sitting back for the long hall.:D
smoke 2 :jointsmile:then smoke 2 more :jointsmile: then I hit the floor.

[8182KSKUSH]

nice pics! I wish i could get some of those long kolas. Mine seem to just ball at the top. Not to hijack your thread but how do you embed those pics? Im gonna throw a few things up. do you have to put the pics in an albums first? And then the code looks in that album?

Hey man thanks for the kind words!
As far as the long colas, I dunno? That's just what happened, I am still to green to really know what the hell I am doing. I am just winging it, and trying to use the info here. It might just be genetic? Who knows? Could be luck too, or both!:D

As far as the pictures go, it's really easy. You just click the paper clip thingy when you are posting, upload the pictures, and then once you have your 5 or however many pictures you want to upload actually uploaded, you just go back, click the arrow by the paper clip thingy, it will show you your attachments, and it says "manage" at the very top, and "insert all" at the very bottom, just click that, and pow! After that it will insert the pictures directly into the post and you can go in and write whatever you want above or below. Just click preview post when you are done to see that it looks the way you want it to, then submit.:)

[8182KSKUSH]

Well, last night I decided to trim up the lowryder, I took the very lowest smallest growth off the plant.
Against my better judgement, I vaped it.
I was shocked.
More like I was high as fuck! Unbelievable. I don't know if it was the low expectation that I had or not, but I could not believe that the small teeny weeny flowers that I took were enough to effect me the way they did. I didn't trim or anything, I just cut it into smallerish pieces and vaped it. Since it was so fresh, I thought it would be best to vape it on 10. At first I was disappointed, but after I vaped it I noticed that there were still trichs on some of it, so I took what I had, (about 1 very full bowls worth from the volcano,) and threw it in my hammer and fired up the crispies.
I was :stoned:!!!

Now my dilema, I know that once I cut the lowryder, I will be waiting about 5 weeks until it's fully cured. My dilema is that now I know that it is bueno, I kinda want to hack it now. My trichs are all still cloudy or milky though, and I was wanting to wait for them to turn amber, at least 25%.
But shit man! They have been cloudy now for some time and I am getting a little ancy, especially now that I know it's good.
Man o man, what to do.......
I am going to try to wait it out. I am just afraid that I won't have the discipline to, and that by the time they turn, I will only have the top nug left!:stoned:

Pray for me!:D
I shouldn't have taken that sample last night damn it!:D

[Dutch Pimp]

I always lick a little icing ...before I eat the cake....:thumbsup:

I like to call it a "test drive"

[8182KSKUSH]

I always lick a little icing ...before I eat the cake....:thumbsup:

I like to call it a "test drive"


THat makes me feel a lil' better about what I did. Can't help but think that it is sacrilegious for a grower to do. But hey if one of the high priests says it's ok, well then....:D

[Dutch Pimp]

THat makes me feel a lil' better about what I did. Can't help but think that it is sacrilegious for a grower to do. But hey if one of the high priests says it's ok, well then....:D

it's OK

that's the best thing about Mary Jane...she's fun, from the git-go....:thumbsup:

I like to "test drive" it...before, I "buy into it".

[8182KSKUSH]

Well, not much to add.
I fed tonight as I expected.
RO H2O
5ml/gallon Pro Bloom
5ml/gallon CalMag+ (Did not realize that there was some other calmag, I have always used the +)
5ml/gallon Hydroplex
3ml/gallon Liquid Karma
A glop of Molasses
A drop of Dish Soap
Ph 6.7 in
Ph 6.7 Out

That's it, I am going to go clip the last of the lower flowers on the lowryder that I don't think will get good light, uh, yeah that's it! Low light! Then I am going to vape them, then smoke the leftovers and get high!:jointsmile:
I did find a rouge amber colored trich here and there on the lowryder so my hope is that by the end of the week I will have some more of those, maybe enough to start flushing!

[8182KSKUSH]

Well, well well. I guess all good things can't last forever.
Son of a bitch if I didn't find a rouge male flower on my Green Crack runt today. At first I was a little upset, I picked it off, ran out of the room, put it on the counter, and yes, 3 nanners were just inside it.
I spent about an hour looking for more, also looked on the other plants as well, nothing. I would say I am surprised, but I was half expecting something to happen to that plant. It's the runt of the group, hardly any fan leaves left on it, they all fell off practically. I was kind of rooting for her, she is still flowering aggressively, and despite her stature, her top flower is bigger than a few of my very healthy MK. Stinky little girl!
I DID USE, APPLY REVERSE AS PER THE INSTRUCTION VER BATUM WITH THE PENETRATOR!!!!
I AM 100% CERTAIN THAT THERE IS NO LIGHT LEEK, CHECKED, CHECKED, AND DOUBLE CHECKED, THEN TRIPLE CHECKED, THEN CHECKED AGAIN.
I am wondering if it's genetic, or stress related. Stress as in I have no idea what, I say that because it has been strugling and runty, and looking wierd since birth. I just did not have the heart to kill her and her flowers are among the best in the room, aside from the lack of quantity due to her small size/stunted/retarded growth?:wtf:
I got this seed from a batch of GC that I picked up in SFV at a clinic. It was a lone seed.
Given the fact that it turned out to be female, I thought there may have been an off chance that it might have been a femmed seed, unintentional of course. This was my thinking anyway.
So, my questions.

1. Who out there can talk to me about your experiences with using Reverse and success or failures.
I believe that the product does not prevent hermies, but causes the male pollen to be sterile.

2. So if that is true, is it highly likely I will/or would not have even had an issue had I left the male flower on, or missed it?

3. Have any of you out there had grows where you used Reverse, had a herm, and had no seeds?

4. Is it possible for a plant to herm and only throw 1 male flower, or when a plant herms, is it just a matter of time until it's full blown hermie? Does that make sense? I guess I am asking if plants will herm to a degree?

5. If this was your plant, and you found this one lone male flower, removed it, would you let it go?

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Please, your thoughts folks, I am at a loss as to whether or not to let her live.

(Yes, I did post this in the plant problems too, just wanted to "carbon copy" it to my grow log here, since it is relevant, obviously.)

[hydrocannabis]

wow! that looks nice.:thumbsup:

I would cut off the male flower and leave plant in there to finish. I have had some hermie befor and I would pluck off all the male flowers befor they open. and the plant would bud out nicely.


(4. Is it possible for a plant to herm and only throw 1 male flower, or when a plant herms, is it just a matter of time until it's full blown hermie? Does that make sense? I guess I am asking if plants will herm to a degree?)

I had a bagseed plant that hermied on me and only had 2 hermies on it.
took em off she keped flowering.

and also I have seen a plant befor that had a bunch male parts on it and only a few hairs on it.

thats my 2 cents on this.

Id wate and hear from more ppl and see what they think.

[Shovelhandle]

sorry that i'm not up to speed on your grow ( I didn't read back far)

I have found that when I'm waiting for plant to finish up, after a long while if a pheno drags on it will hermi. But the herb is still good as long as it hasn't spent weeks making seed.

[Shovelhandle]

ok, I read a little more...<G>

yes, genetics can push the fems to produce male parts in order to procreate.
And some strains easily go hermie., they do it all the time. But, the herb harvested can still be top shelf stoney herbs. Just not what pot breeders like to deal with.

[8182KSKUSH]

Hey thanks guys,
As usual I panicked, posted, then re-researched.
I am going to keep an eye on her and let it go. Not too worried now, so keep your fingers crossed for me!:jointsmile:

[8182KSKUSH]

Well,
I just could not take the stress.
I found 3 new male flowers on the GC bitch, so I killed her. I know that the reverse would have likely done the job, but this grow is way to important to risk pollinating the MK ladies, and the AI lady. I lost my nerve and chopped the GC, flowers are drying now.
Of course once I had her cut, I got a better look, and there were not anymore male flowers go figure, but that's not to say there wouldn't have been more a day from now.
So right or wrong, that's what I did.
Looks like 18 grams wet, so probably about an 1/8th dry, added the trim to the trim bag, once everything else comes down, hopefully I will have enough trim to use my bubble bags for the first time, can't wait for that. Looks like fun stuff.

So now there is more room and less competition for light! The lowryder is STILL not having too many amber trichs yet! Sheesh! I thought these lowryder strains were fast finishers! Not this one. It barely has any amber trichs, and they are only on the bud leaves, none on the flowers?:wtf:
It's still puking bunches of white pistols here and there, but the pistol production is slowing, the flowers are rock fucking hard! And it smells very dank.

The MK are starting to get more aromatic now, and the buds are clumping up nicely. Just waiting for them to start getting fat now.

The AI has a really hashy smell.

[8182KSKUSH]

Well, the pots should all be light enough today to feed again.
I am going to tweak the last feed a little bit, I did see some very mild tip burn so I am guessing I am close to the max on my dosage, or it was the LK. I will drop the LK this round, and up the Hydroplex a little. See what happens.

I am also going to start flushing the lowryder tonight. So I will be cutting it in 2 weeks, about 4 flushes.
Just going to use plain ro h2o with molasses ph'd of course.
Starting to get a few trichs on the bud leaves turning amber, just a few on the flowers, hopefully by the time I am done flushing, they will be where I want them to be.
I am really excited about this lowryder, it looks and smells awesome, from the samples I had, it will be very potent.

[8182KSKUSH]

Cutting it in 2 weeks, puts it at 82ish days from seed to weed.
Seems kinda a long time for lowryder from what I have read? Not too mention, I think I could let it go even longer if I wanted to, maybe a week or 2? What of this? Anyone?:wtf:

[8182KSKUSH]

Well, I just finished flushing my lowlow and feeding everyone else.
Fed tonight w/:
6ml/gallon Pro Bloom
5ml/gallon CalMag+
5ml/gallon Hydroplex
A dab of molasses.
Ph @ 6.7
Fed to light to medium runoff.
Everyone is samosamo.
The tall branch MK lady is making me a little nervous, she is starting to get a little top heavy and is really swaying around. So far so good, I am so fucking excited to get that lowryder down, dry, and cured! Can't wait. I will post some pics of the execution, (hanging) in a couple weeks when I do it.:thumbsup:

[8182KSKUSH]

So this is pretty strain specific, but anyone grown out Nirvana MK or AI, and how long did you let it go? Mine are going into week 7 of flowering, and I cannot fathom that they will be ready in 2 more weeks, as the description at Nirvana says I think. I mean really they are all still gushing thick, whiteish pistols everywhere? Hard to imagine it would finish by the end of week 9, but what do I know?
Help here?:jointsmile:

[Dutch Pimp]

be prepared to wait, for as long as it takes, (11 weeks?) for some amber trichomes to show....after that ...it's your call.

[8182KSKUSH]

That's a hell of a photo!!
But yeah, that's what I want to see, hell the lowryder doesn't look like that yet, but I imagine it should in a couple weeks, I guess? I hope!
When do you start to flush DP? I know you like a good amber to cloudy ratio, how do you time that? Do you begin flushing when the plants get to that ratio? Or do you anticipate when they will be there, and start flushing to finish and cut them when they are just getting to the right ratio? Does that make sense?
And yeah, 11 sure seems alot more plausible for my girls the way they are going, we'll see.:jointsmile:

[Dutch Pimp]

When do you start to flush DP? I know you like a good amber to cloudy ratio, how do you time that? Do you begin flushing when the plants get to that ratio? Or do you anticipate when they will be there, and start flushing to finish and cut them when they are just getting to the right ratio? Does that make sense?

I switch to water only, when the plant basicly quits growing. That is usually around week #9. On my white widows: the fan leaves have turned yellow and fell off, by then. There is never a green leaf left on the plants, at harvest.

5% - 20% amber trichomes on the average of the whole plant; is good for me..:thumbsup:

I don't even take the cloudy vs. clear; into account. (I would call the amber trichs in that pic- 30-40% amber)

[WhiskeyTango]

Great set o strains you got workin there skush!!! Keep it up! subscribed*

[8182KSKUSH]

Well, here we are plugging away.
7ml/gallon pro bloom
5ml/gallon cal mag & hydroplex
That's it.
Flowers are starting to finally bulk up on the MK ladies. AI is still a runt, and lowryder is still flushing, 5 days now and counting. Took another small sample early.
Can't wait to get it out of there so my MK ladies can really spread out and soak up the light.:jointsmile:

[hydrocannabis]

sounds cool.

so u got any new pix of em?

[8182KSKUSH]

sounds cool.

so u got any new pix of em?

check back later tonight. I will post some new pics. personally, I see them everyday so to me they pretty much look the same. but updated pics tonight!

[8182KSKUSH]

Well here we are week 6 I think.
Some new pictures of the ladies hope they turned out well.
Enjoy, questions and comments welcomed.
First Set here, all LLLRMI
Flushing, getting ph adjusted ro water, w/ a glop of molasses.
She will get at least one more of these flush feedings, probably Friday, then a final water only super flush, then she will be killed.

I already took fingers and toes.

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[8182KSKUSH]

And More...
This is the branchy bigger MK lady. Overall, her flowers are not nearly as dense as the other 3, but we'll see what happens eh?

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[8182KSKUSH]

Now the AI runt.
First picture is her next to the previously pictured Big MK lady.

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[Charas]

...sexy

hey, dunno if you said already...but is this nirvana MK or white label? something else?

[8182KSKUSH]

Now 1 of the Triplets. I do have a favorite but you will have to guess which one.

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[8182KSKUSH]

Next...

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And the last of the 3 triplets....

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[8182KSKUSH]

And a few misc. photos of one of the triplets, the middle one I think that didn't get in, as well as a family portrait.

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[hydrocannabis]

wow wow wow.

they look super great. I hope that 1 of these days I can (flower) some plant as nice as urs r looken now.:thumbsup:

rock on brotha.

[WhiskeyTango]

Lookin great mang...MK has been a favorite of mine for a while, I got a few AI seeds I may pop depending on your grow.
Good vibes
:joint1:

[8182KSKUSH]

wow wow wow.

they look super great. I hope that 1 of these days I can (flower) some plant as nice as urs r looken now.:thumbsup:

rock on brotha.

Hey wow thanks, you are very kind. To be honest, like when I am taking the pics I am thinking to myself that they don't look that wupee, but the pics look nice. LOL The camera must and something maybe. But thanks for the compliment, don't jinx me though! Still got a little way to go yet, still holding my breath.:stoned:


Lookin great mang...MK has been a favorite of mine for a while, I got a few AI seeds I may pop depending on your grow.
Good vibes
:joint1:

Well, you I don't know how representative my lady is of the lineage, but I we'll see. I just hope I can mum her and then run good clones off her and see if I can't get a normal non-runty class of like 6 or 10 or however many I can fit! Hopefully her small runtness is just due to something that I did, and I can really make the most of her later. I hope! We'll see anyway, now if you will excuse me, I need to go take a shit in my other hand and see....:D

Looking past her size, she seems alright. Kinda has some super dark green leaves that look like they are clawed. It's wierd, because this girl gets the exact same nutes as everyone else? Oh well, fuck her anyway! Let her have her fun now, she's got some hell to go through later when I almost kill her, and then bring her back from the grave!

I wonder, I have read alot of smoke reports here and there about AI, and they always say it is really spicey, harsh, hashy smoke. I wonder if they are like super N sensitive or something. Or they maybe store it longer, or something, I dunno?:stoned:

[theforthdrive]

Wow, those ladies are sexy! Sorry to see you lost one. you made the right choice. Ive had to face the same decision and Ive rarely regretted it. Looks like you'll have plenty come harvest time. :jointsmile:


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Thanks for the help with the pics! Heres a little something I took down last week to say thanks!

[8182KSKUSH]

That's a nice chunk! Looks yummy.:)
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[8182KSKUSH]

Man I can't help but think I am off on my days of flowering. I am going to double check that some time later.
Tonight I chopped the lowryder, because I am impatient.
Anyway, it's drying and I will take some pics sometime.
Fed everyone else,
7ml/gallon Pro Bloom
5ml/gallon Cal Mag and Hydroplex
A glipty glop of molasses. \
Ph 6.7 in
Ph out, who cares!
Had to turn my oscillating fan down to low, the big MK lady is so damn top heavy, she just gets a going, and I can see her just snapping somewhere.
I roped her off, and tried to corral her a little to limit the movement. Fingers crossed!
They are all just puking white pistols out everywhere, trichs look clear to cloudy, 50/50 I guess, I dunno?
That's it.:thumbsup:

[8182KSKUSH]

Man I can't help but think I am off on my days of flowering. I am going to double check that some time later.
Tonight I chopped the lowryder, because I am impatient.
Anyway, it's drying and I will take some pics sometime.
Fed everyone else,
7ml/gallon Pro Bloom
5ml/gallon Cal Mag and Hydroplex
A glipty glop of molasses. \
Ph 6.7 in
Ph out, who cares!
Had to turn my oscillating fan down to low, the big MK lady is so damn top heavy, she just gets a going, and I can see her just snapping somewhere.
I roped her off, and tried to corral her a little to limit the movement. Fingers crossed!
They are all just puking white pistols out everywhere, trichs look clear to cloudy, 50/50 I guess, I dunno?
That's it.:thumbsup:

[8182KSKUSH]

Man I can't help but think I am off on my days of flowering. I am going to double check that some time later.
Tonight I chopped the lowryder, because I am impatient.
Anyway, it's drying and I will take some pics sometime.
Fed everyone else,
7ml/gallon Pro Bloom
5ml/gallon Cal Mag and Hydroplex
A glipty glop of molasses. \
Ph 6.7 in
Ph out, who cares!
Had to turn my oscillating fan down to low, the big MK lady is so damn top heavy, she just gets a going, and I can see her just snapping somewhere.
I roped her off, and tried to corral her a little to limit the movement. Fingers crossed!
They are all just puking white pistols out everywhere, trichs look clear to cloudy, 50/50 I guess, I dunno?
That's it.:thumbsup:

[8182KSKUSH]

Hey don't know what is up? Said server busy for about 10 minutes, tried on and off, somehow post my post multiple times. Sorry?:wtf:

[8182KSKUSH]

Tonight they start Day 54.
So that's what?
Beginning, Week 8.
I looked a lil', no sign of amber yet. Still many clear trichs actually, some cloudy, it maybe half and half more or less here or there.
I am hoping they will really start to pack on some density and bulk.
Hey WT, does 8 weeks seem long to flower MK? Anyone else know either? I am sure it varies based on where it's from, (different breeders, clones etc..) just curious to hear some other MK experiences?
On that note, anyone have any opinions on the difference between the 2 different phenos (Big and Branchy , as opposed to the more classice Indica type?)
Between the 3 more indica phenos, It looks like there are 2 slightly different variations in that mix as well?
Just curious.

As for flowering time, I guess weed doesn't understand how to read a gregorian calendar?
From the breeders, (Nirvana), the MK is "8/9 weeks" and the AI is 7/8 weeks.) Go figure, I shit in my pants and post it on line if the MK is done this or next week! Yeah right. As for the AI, it's exactly as described, except the part of "7/8 weeks" flowering time. Not exactly, but I dunno? Maybe it's just mine, and I did something wrong? Love to know what others experiences are?:)

[8182KSKUSH]

I think?
So I am getting ready to begin week 8, pretty sure.
Fed tonight
I played around with it a little, left out the molasses,
7ml Pro Bloom
7ml Cal Mag
5ml Hydroplex
ph @ 6.7,
That's it. Flowers all looking fine, I guess. Stinky and sticky, I gave everyone a good firm squeeze, not anything crazy, just checking density I guess.
The AI isn't is sticky, but it's also kinda greazy? Greazy/stickyish.
What does anyone think about just feeding them every time, no breaks in between from here until they need flushed, next year or whenever that may be.:wtf: (Just kidding, I dunno how long they have left, just wish they were more mature than they are now.)
Those seed companies must have their times based on just all cloudy trichs, I guess? Mine are going to be 25% longer or more maybe, I betcha. What do you all think, seedbank descriptions for flowering times a little low eh? Is it something that I am doing or is this pretty common?:jointsmile:

[8182KSKUSH]

Just looked in, the girls all are really looking great! So excited, it's hard to pull myself away from them.
The AI looks the least mature, as far as trichs, many more clear than any of the MK.
The MK are all more cloudy than clear. Still some clear though, no amber yet.
They are starting to get a nice sugary glazed look to them now that the trichs are turning from clear. They are all still just puking, erupting thick pistols in bunches on every place possible. No noticeable slow down on pistol production yet.
IDK? If there really is? I assume there is I guess.
Would love to get some pics, but too blown and tired for that right now, I will post some in a few days, there will be more to see the longer I wait.:jointsmile:

[8182KSKUSH]

Well, here are a couple pics of choice nugs.
It gets the job done, I should have let it go longer.
Tastes like shit, as expected, it's not cured.
It does taste good vaped.
Very stoney at first, then finishes up? Wierd huh? :wtf: Keeps me up late.
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I would probably consider it very good mid grade. It's not as dense as I prefer, and the effect is so so.:jointsmile:
It was 1 hit quit for my wife LOL!:D

[8182KSKUSH]

Well, nothing too exciting here.
They are getting stinkier and stickier, as expected.
Ho Hum
Fed
5ml/gallon Cal mag +
A "3 Count", (1 Mississippi, 2, ect, ), probably about a tablespoon of molasses, ppm with cal mag, molasses and ph up adj were right at about 400, so the girls are getting a break from their normal full feeding routine. I will go back to the normal next go around with
5ml/gallon CalMag, Hydroplex, and 7ml/gallon of pro bloom, w/ a touch of molasseses. This gets me to about 1000 ppm, give or take, and it's about the limit on these I guess? I dunno? They started to get what looked like tip burn, just barely, consistantly on all the plants, a few funny looking leaves too, may be heat/light related, but may be overfert too? In any case, nothing to get worried about, and I think I slowly made my way to their limit. It'll be intresting down the road to see if the clones go the same way as far as nutrient levels..
Later.:D

[misterdoja420]

hey for your lowryder plant did you flush it? cuz if not thats probably why it tastes wierd.. or cure longer? looks good tho:jointsmile:

[8182KSKUSH]

I don't know why I can't keep it straight. This is day 59, I am pretty sure I got 1 day ahead of myself.

Anyway, just peeked in on them, moved them around "GENTLY".
I have to say that I am disappointed with the trich production on the AI, just not much of it. And, all her pistol hairs are like banana yellowish, or dark creamy yellowish. More so than any of the MKs.Probably something I did, or just dumb luck the 1 female of the 10 was all retarded to begin with. I dunno?

I hope that I am looking for the right things as far as trichs.
Let me tell ya,
those little shiny things, all over my plants, I use a 30x lens, they are all still fucking cloudy, a few still clear. NO AMBER NONE NADA.
So I am just wondering if this grow seems to be going normally? As far as timeline for MK? Getting ready to start Week 8 flowering? WTF? No signs of amber yet? NOrmal? Yes? NO?:wtf: I have read through some and the fuckers are harvesting in like week 6 and shit! WTF!!:mad: These plants, the ones I have now, there's just no fucking way! Week 6?! Is my flowering time prolonged? Did I do something that may have lengthened it?
Did I botch this somehow?
Do I just need to be more patient?
WTF is going on here?
Of maybe I am just a fucking idiot, and somehow I am fucking up looking at the trichs through the loupe thing. But I don't think that's it. It better fucking not be anyway! If that's it then I will just go end it all now and take a long leap off a short cliff.:wtf:
What's the score here anyway?:wtf:

I will check them again tonight with the lens, I thing, 1 of the triplet MK ladies, alot of her pistols turned light orangeish red on her top cola and some side colas. So that's something I guess? Maybe if I catch the light right it will make some trichs look amber, due to the reflection.:wtf: I have tried to take some pictures of trichs, but they never ever turn out good enough to post, nothing can be gleamed from them. Any suggestions as to how to do this, I got lets see, it's a digital god damn camera, and my 30x. So I guess if it requires anything beyond that, it ain't gonna happen, so maybe if someone could just tell me at least so I stop trying to take the pics, that'd be good.:)
Sorry, I am just getting a lil' nervous.
I keep having bad dreams that the big branchy ass lady MK just falls over on her self and "self harvests".
Or some shit like, I come home and I can hear my sexual predator cat locked inside during lights out just tearing shit up!
AWWWWWWWW!:stoned:

[8182KSKUSH]

hey for your lowryder plant did you flush it? cuz if not thats probably why it tastes wierd.. or cure longer? looks good tho:jointsmile:


Cure longer yeah, or like cure at all! It's gone. I sent it to heaven. Actually I am sending it right this second. Thanks though. It was really so so though. I am sure it could have been better, but me being a noob, I still have some room to grow.
But, I probably won't ever try to grow it again, I am more interested in traditional strains I guess, even getting a full oz, I just don't see how it's worth the trouble I guess. Not for me anyway. But it is neat I guess, and they were free beanies, so hey alright!:thumbsup:
I am guessing I got about 12 to 13 grams out of that. Not the 2 nugs in the photo, the whole plant. That's not too much! In fact, that ain't enough thar! But it was fun, and an experience.:jointsmile:

[Dutch Pimp]

Try one of the white strains, next time...8182Kush...:thumbsup:...Now's a good time to order.

ex. white widow, white russian, white rhino, ak47, etc., etc....:rhinoceros:

[8182KSKUSH]

Well, anyway, I took a look see, and I am making progress I guess.
Most are all still white, cloudy, but some are beginning to turn amber I think, I would not say they are amber, but they are on their way. Just starting to change from the white, cloudy, they almost look like they are clear, but I think that most of them like that are just starting to change to amber.
One of the MK ladies, had maybe 1 that I saw that might have been amber I guess, it was on a bud leaf. It's trichs anywhere right? All over the plant? In the FOV?

To be honest, I would love to try many of the strains you mentioned Dutch! I almost got the white rhino but nirvana was out at the time, so I got the AI instead.
As far as ordering seeds, just too paranoid anymore, right now. I have no wheres safe to send them, and I don't want them getting intercepted en route to my address. We cannot have that. Fuck no!:D
Maybe I will come across a clone though. Or maybe cannabis gods will just gift me a treasure trove of varying genetics!
Or maybe I will just order some more seeds some day, probably. I kinda have my eye on DNA Genetics LA Con, it's just such a crap shoot picking good breeders, there is alot out there. I would really like to get some ATF too, but I haven't seen it. I am sure someone sells the beans though.
But listen to me,
I told myself NO MORE ORDERING, this is supposed to be a perpetual grow, trying to salvage moms from these girls. I want to perfect the fastball first before I learn to throw the slider. I am sure I have plenty of tweaking that I can do to the genetics that I have, and I have all the time in the world to do it I guess. Some day once I get this down pat, I will branch out into the realm of other genetics, unless god drops them in my hand on a light beam from a cloud in the sky.
But like I said, I will probably be ordering when I can. Probably not anytime this year though, or next. We'll see.:)

[8182KSKUSH]

Snapped some more photos.
Love to hear what you all think as far as how much more they will add on, or how long they may go.

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This is the AI. Don't know if it is ok or not. Obviously it's small, but it's been a super runt the whole damn time.
Don't know, doesn't look quite right, but what are ya gonna do?:wtf:

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Obviously these last few were of the big branchy MK.
Thanks for stopping by, please feel free to leave any comments or critiques!
Pray for amber trichs for me.:)
If you are an atheist, then please, don't pray for me.:thumbsup:
If you have some kind of psychic powers then use them folks!:jointsmile:

[hydrocannabis]

they R looking so so so great.:thumbsup:

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Ok,
Kinda posted this on another thread, but for anyone here, what would you do?

I am talking about harvest window.
From the point I am at now, there is only 1 thing for them to do, and they should be getting there sooner rather than later I am guessing.
Would it be a good idea to start flushing now, today.
Flush for 10-14 days. 10-14 Days from today, would the girls be where I would want them, with amber trichs, between 10-25%?
Or would I get into the situation where after the flush, they still may not have much amber and then I still need to let them go. If that does happen, is that ok? I kind of think that if I flush too soon, then I won't be taking full advantage of them, knowaddamean?
I mean, how much more growing do you think these girls are gonna do? If I continue to feed a few more times, and wait to flush until I see amber trichs, will I be waiting too late? By the time they are done flushing would they be degrading?
I guess this kinda hinges on how fast the trichs turn? But also on all of your past experiences!
So,
what have been your experiences?:jointsmile:

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I have decided to begin flushing. My hope is that I will have my desired amber ratio by the time I am done flushing, drying and curing. I am starting to see amber trichs here and there on each of the girls, so in 10-14 days after I am done flushing, hopefully they will be there.
I would really like some input on this, Dutch, how do you do it? Did you wait until you had your amber trichs to begin the flush? Did you time it so that you were cutting down once they were hitting where you wanted them? Is that how it works?
Help?

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I think my AI is seeded.
I saw red.
Let's just say, the 4 MK have tons of light and room, they look very happy.
I am thinking about donating the AI to the bubble bags in it's entirety. That with the trim, I might get something to smoke outta that. We'll see what she looks like trimmed up and dry first.
No, I didn't really flush her.
I wasn't planning on it happening this way. I just kind of went OJ on her.:stoned:

[Dutch Pimp]

I don't put a lot of stock into flushing, myself...cause, I'm not concerned about taste. If I want good taste, I grill a steak.

Everything I grow tastes like spice-mint. Whatever, that means?

But, I semi-flush with EVERY water, water&nutes and water&molasses. That way; there's no excess...period. In the pic below: shows that I put my plants on a plastic stool table and water, feed, etc., until the excess runs into a bucket underneath...comprende?...(large holes drilled into pots and the table)

As far as flushing and waiting for amber trichs?...once the plant stops growing, I begin the countdown...:thumbsup:...water only, sparingly.

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Well,
THe AI was seeded! WTF? I guess reverse is not full proof?
What's really wierd, the MK all 4 of them, don't look like they have a single seed, but who knows? I doubt that they do though, they are pluggin' along, I am now able to actually see some amber trichs, so far, only on the bud leaves, but they are amber trichs so yeah!
They are starting to yellow a lil, and I will continue to flush through this week 9, then, if all goes well, they will get the chop! Cannot fucking wait!!!!
THe AI must have been seeded a while ago, I just took a sample from what I have drying, vaped it, nothing.
Not even a head change.
Very disappointed.
But, I did learn a valuable lesson.
I don't know if my failed AI was my fault or not, don't know if it was the destiny of the plant or not due to genetics or some complication at birth, but I do know, I will no longer waste any time with a plant if it is not the picture of health!
It just is not worth it.
So from now on, I will mercilessly cull my plants, survival of the fittest for me and mine baby.:thumbsup:

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Well ho hum I guess.
Plain Ph'd water. Lots of it.
The big MK lady tried to kill herself today just shortly after lights on. I heard something went in and she was just sprawled out all over one of the shorter ones like some kind of drunken slob. I had her tied from 2 places, somehow she just decided to switch direction on me. I guess she needed a drink, so I gave it to her.
The AI is horrible, I am ashamed, it is going 100% into the bubble bags, I am not going to smoke that shit. So pisst. Seen some other grows with it and it looked awesome. Oh well.:jointsmile:

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Hey motherfuckers! It's picture update time.
I am pretty happy about the gurlz!
I am consistently able to find small, 5-10 Trich cluster on the various bud leaves, not all, but some on each of the gurlz. So we are getting there and I am sure that they will be there by the time I hit the 10-14 day window of the flush they will be ready. FUck yeah! Can't wait.

On another note, the big gal, she apparently is depressed because every day I walk in there, she is hanging herself, it doesn't matter how I tie her off, she just eventually falls over. She hasn't snapped anywhere yet, but I am afraid she will on the main somewhere. It's funny, because her top goes one way, and the body goes the other. Nirvana's MK, is Skunk x Afghan, and she is for sure "leaning" towards the skunk side of things, branchy, buds are bigger in size, but not as dense as the more squatty girlz. I am assuming they are more Afghan, 2 of them more than the other. 1 of the squatty gals, her flowers appear to be more somewheres in between the 2. They smell grrrrreat!
One of the squatty gals has a more noticeable fuel type of smell, not as much as the bag seed that I chopped soo long ago.

Overall, I have not seen many, just individual amber trichs here and there on the actual flowers, but that's where we were just the other day with the bud leaves, so can't wait till tomorrow.

Pictures...
Enjoy.:jointsmile:

Dutch, threw the very last 2 in just for you. Thanks for sitting down and chillin' here and putting in your 2 cents. Thanks to everyone. Let's bring these bitches home! If you've been following along, now it's about to get interesting so hang on and don't go nowheres. If you are just joining us all here, then welcome and grab a seat.

Oh shit, p.s.
Playing with my camera, this is for anyone I learned something new to share anyways.

I have a setting that allows me to adjust the amount of light I let into the camera. I just crank that bitch all the way down, -2.0 or whatever, and it allows me to snap pictures under the 800 watts of sodium, and they look pretty good I think.
All of these were taken under the exact same light, just with different settings and angles. I think the setting is something like ISO something or a nuther.:bonghit:

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Kush....they look am azing homie!! Got some good meds coming.. Is the setting you are talking about the ISO? I got a pretty bad ass sony cam, but all my flowering pics are yellow orange as HELL. Fucking good shit on figuring out how to get rid of the yellow!!!!!
good vibes and great plants
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EDIT: must spread rep around before giving it to kush again

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Kush....they look am azing homie!! Got some good meds coming.. Is the setting you are talking about the ISO? I got a pretty bad ass sony cam, but all my flowering pics are yellow orange as HELL. Fucking good shit on figuring out how to get rid of the yellow!!!!!
good vibes and great plants
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Yessur! ISO does it, just go backwards, negative to get rid of the orange/yellow light. It's not perfect, but it is easier than taking plants out of the room to take the pictures.:jointsmile:

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wt don't forget to turn on the flash too! forgot to mention that.

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Awesome colas, Mr. Kush. Nice heavy buds too, hopefully.

My .02 on the tric colors changes. I have no fucking idea. LOL
Really, once I watched my Bubblegum look done at 8 weeks and wait four more and still don't see what I want as far as amber trics. This grow I went with Sativas and at 8 weeks they are 100% cloudy w/ ambers. What do you know?

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wow wow wow wowo wow wow wow wow wow.

they look very very very very very very very very nice. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

U R gunna have the greenest, stickiest and highest x-mas ever.:thumbsup:
great job. really.

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Ha ha ha!
Xmas,
"Oh it's just what I always wanted! I love it! My favorite, weed!"
Hopefully it will be dry and going into jars by then! I am sure I will be smoking it regardless, just hope I can hold back enough so that most of it actually gets cured!:D

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WEll,
Continuing to flush. Will likely water 2 more times before harvest, I am going to give them a lil mol, I am getting to start thinking about moms.

I hope that they come out ok.
I am going to harvest all at once, and begin the process of mumming at that time.
I am undecided on some things though. I was thinking about downsizing them into 8 in square pots that I have, but I don't really have to for space or anything.
So I am wondering, when I cut them back, if I can leave them in their current 3 gallon pots for now?
Is trimming the root ball a must do to mum? I know that I will need to eventually, but initially after harvest, do I have a window of time where I can keep them as they are, under 24hrs, and just dose them with some grow formula, and be ok?
I was planning on pulling them, cutting the rootballs back, repotting them into the new pots with fresh soil, and adding some superthrive to the new pot to stimulate some new root growth.
But I don't want to do more work than I need to, and fear that I may be over thinking this and that the simplest thing may be the best thing? ANy thoughts opinions folks? Could really use your input.
I realize that I will need to eventually trim their root balls at some point in the future anyway, do I need to do it immedeatily though?:jointsmile:

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sorry I havent stopped by in awhile but Great Kolas! :thumbsup::jointsmile:

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Those biatches have been hacked, I currently have 4 wannabe moms, flowers have been dried, they are in their jars for the first time today.
Total yield,
80 Grams, Dry.
4 grams of bubble hash that does not bubble at all in any way, but is potent none the less.
I will get some pics of the flowers and mums, and hash.
What the fuck did I do wrong?:wtf:
Should I not have yielded way way more than that?
My only thought is to let them veg longer, and work into 5 gallon pots, or obviously run more than 4, but hey, that's just what I had, so I guess hopefully my moms work out and I learn to take clones.:)
Ironically, the biggest MK lady, the big branchy one, she yielded the least. And luckily, my best yield was from my favorite so far, noticeably more potent plant as per current samples taken.
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I am ending this log.
Thanks to all.
Too much shit going on here for me to feel safe posting a show. Shows over.