Episode 4: The Clone Colonies

[SnSstealth]

Here in lies the beginning of the SnSstealth LED SOG Perpetual Garden...

One of the Procyons in this clone room are joining his buddies in the flowering room. The remaining Procyon will maintain the 3-5 mothers that will be kept initially and we will add a 24 in T5 for the clones soon...

The clones pictured are 9 HKxBI's, 3 which have been topped twice to assume their mothery roles, the rest will be going in the flowering room probably by monday. 4 are Church, one selected for mum, the rest will be joining the HKs into flowering monday. The last 2 clones are the SB, one topped for mum, other going into flower.

The mums remaining will probably be ready to have clones taken in 3 weeks. From here I would like some ideas/opinions on how to get the full potential out of making this a SOG.

For now, the clones will go into Rapid Rooters. Once rooted placed into either 20 0z styrofoam cups, or 4in pots for a week-10 days tops. Then transplant into 1 gal for sending to flower. I am aiming for about 24in plants. Lemme know how that sounds. From then on, it will either be 8 going in, and 8 harvesting every 2 weeks, or 16 once a month....Dunno how to run that yet...

Upon the Episode 3 girls harvest, the winning HKxBI of the 2 mums kept, will be the sole winner of mother status. And the smoke test will determine if I keep the SB going after that set of clones.

The Episode 3 log will continue till harvest.
Stay buzzed in
:joint1:
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

All but the mums will be sent to flowering Monday probably
whiskeytango

[hatch]

Ya WT, They Are Looking Good Dog!!!!,,,,,You Are Getting The Cloning Down Like Pat.!!!!~~~~~When You Going To Get Out Of The Dirt???EH???HEHEHE:thumbsup::D:stoned::rasta::smok in:

[SnSstealth]

After the clones are in full rotation, Ill probably start a DWC rubbermaid first...then slowly incorporate it fully into the room
whiskeytango

[lunarose]

Oh those clones and here I was thinking you were talking about a new Star Wars Movie (VBG)
Your babies are looking great.

[SnSstealth]

LOL...thanks luna. All my thread have been star wars based...yes, I am a nerd...lol
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

The mums remaining will probably be ready to have clones taken in 3 weeks. From here I would like some ideas/opinions on how to get the full potential out of making this a SOG.

For now, the clones will go into Rapid Rooters. Once rooted placed into either 20 0z styrofoam cups, or 4in pots for a week-10 days tops. Then transplant into 1 gal for sending to flower. I am aiming for about 24in plants. Lemme know how that sounds. From then on, it will either be 8 going in, and 8 harvesting every 2 weeks, or 16 once a month....Dunno how to run that yet...

Anyone?....lol

The 4th Procyon was added to the flowering room today, along with 9 of the clones. HKxBI #4 is lookin kinda nice, so I kept a potential mum of her...
Otherwise, room is lookin lovely. All kinda o sparkly stuff...
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Hey just found this one Stealth....subscribed.....;)

[SnSstealth]

The little gnats are fucking back...I swear to god these things are worse than german cockroaches... with the pyrethin bomb, larvicide, fungicide, and the cold nights, I don't know how these things haven't died...
whiskeytango

[grow1964]

Damn your runnin 4 of those lights now huh? Nice.. Clones look great.. How many were you running in revenge 3?

Those bugs suck man.. Time for drastic measures, get rid of them once and for all.

[d4twamp]

don't know if it's any good but I asked the owner of one of the local hydro shops if they had anything for fungus gnats he showed me a product called
NO GNAT haven't tried it, it's water soluble and supposed to work I had a gnat problem w/ my last ebb n flow grow.

D:S5:

[Weedhound]

Stealth what are you using exactly on the plants themselves.....any sort of spray or something? You have a super long list of stuff you've been trying I see.

[SnSstealth]

I haven't treated the plants themselves at all WH. Only the soil/roots. The gnats have not shown any interest in the vegetative matter. Not one leaf has shown any damage from the bugs far as I can tell. The adults seem to not bother the plants at all, and only live maybe 2 days. I have heard recently that they might be fungus gnats, and present in the FF when we bought it. Might be the case. So I am not really even sure that they are bothering the grow...Unless the larvae are feeding on the root hairs.
Who fuckin knows....
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

hmmm......I'll have Mr hound ask our hydro guy just in case he's discovered some new amazing thing......don't hold your breath though. Are those the little fuckers that run around through your soil and stuff? I hate those little bastards.

[SnSstealth]

that be the very ones.....arrrrrr
WT

[SnSstealth]

Few shots of the mums....
Dont have a white light in here for pics yet....Soon

And can anyone tell me why after 3 weeks of 24/0 and plenty of vegetative growth later, my mums are still throwing calyxes and pistils out? Took the clones at like 10 days flower. Shouldn't still be doing that IMHO

Anyhoo...Have been FIMing and supercropping my way up these moms, I dig how they are lookin...2-3 weeks have way more than the 16 needed for the cycling. But after smoking the Episode 3 girls, not all the mums will be stayin...:greenthumb:
:joint1:
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

Anyone?...lol Clone question?...
BUMP**
whiskeytango

[hatch]

Hey WT,,I Have Never Tried To Re-Veg. Any Clone's, But, My Plant's Have Been Showing Sex For Year's At Every Node...So I Wouldn't Think It Is Anything To Worry About....:rasta::rasta::rasta::rasta:

[SnSstealth]

Not re-vegging, took clones at 10 days flower and put em in 24/0. Yet 3 weeks later, and the new growth has a few pistils in it? Your mums do that? I haven't taken clones in flowering before, so this is new to me...
whiskeytango

BTW...long time hatch! how's the flickerbug going? Im gettin nasty with the cam...trich shots coming soon on Episode 3
:joint1:

[hatch]

Not re-vegging, took clones at 10 days flower and put em in 24/0. Yet 3 weeks later, and the new growth has a few pistils in it? Your mums do that? I haven't taken clones in flowering before, so this is new to me...
whiskeytango

BTW...long time hatch! how's the flickerbug going? Im gettin nasty with the cam...trich shots coming soon on Episode 3
:joint1:

Well, If You Let Them Go On 12/12 For Ten Day's???,,,They Think They Are Flowering,,,Then When You Put Them Back To 24/7,, They Will Be Stunted For Another Two Week's Or So,,,,This Is Just Stuff I Have Read About Re-Veg.,,Not First Hand!!!

I Think Your Clone's Will Be Fine,,It Just Might Take Alittle Longer!!!,,,Now That You Have Some Known Female's,,Your On Your Way!!!,,,Good Deal!!

But Yes, My Mom's Have Pistil's At Every Node,,,,I Rotate My Mom's Like Every Six Or So Month's,,,The Root Mass Get's To Big...,,I Also Don't Use 24/7,,,I Use 16/8,,For My Clone's & For Veg.'ing...

OH,,I Still Have It,,,,I've Been Doing Some Remodeling & Adding Cooltube's & Extra Exhaust Fan's,,,I've Got My Temp's Down To 77* To 79* Light On, In The Middle Of The Day!!!,,,Nice

But Any-Way,,,I Still Get My Trich. Shot's,,That's The Only Way I Can Tell Where They Are At!!!,,,,Can't Wait To See Your New Shot's!!!:rasta::rasta::rasta::rasta:

[greenatik]

hey stealth... I took 20 clones at about 2-3 week flowering off my outdoors and they rooted within 8 days and showed new growth in a week 1/2.. the pistils never died and the new nodes had calyxes so Im not sure if that is what your referring too, but once flipped to flower, they had heavy new pistils in 4 days

[SnSstealth]

Hatch...Green...thanks guys! I think what you are explaining is what I got. The new growth does have pistils, but they are real thin...should I pull them all off the moms? Or will they eventually stop throwing pistils? Thought I pulled the majority off when I took the clones...
Doesn't seem to be affecting them, all of the clones are growing super fast and healthy. Ill take some pics of the mums and the ones sent to flower today...
whiskeytango

[hatch]

Hatch...Green...thanks guys! I think what you are explaining is what I got. The new growth does have pistils, but they are real thin...should I pull them all off the moms? Or will they eventually stop throwing pistils? Thought I pulled the majority off when I took the clones...
Doesn't seem to be affecting them, all of the clones are growing super fast and healthy. Ill take some pics of the mums and the ones sent to flower today...
whiskeytango

Why Would You Want To Pull Them Off????

Ounce a Plant Get To A Certain Stage In Life It Will Alway's Show It's Sex,,,I Can See Maybe Topping Or Fim'n,,,Otherwise,,,Just Watch Her Go!!!

When I Clone, I Will Clean Up Just What Is Going In The Basket,,& I Leave Everything Above,,,Then After About 5 To 6 Day's When They Have Rooted Well,,I May Trim Some Of The Bigger Leaves That Have Yellowed,,Or Top Them If They Are Going To Be Donor Clones (mom),,,But Other Then That, Just Watch Them Grow!!:rasta: :rasta: :rasta:

[SnSstealth]

I was only talking about pulling the pistils off the donor clones, (new mums). Not the ones that are going to flower...But if the few thin pistils the mums are throwing are not effecting anything, Ill leave em. I just didnt get how after taking the clones at 10 days, and they barely had any pistils...after growing on 24/0 for 3 weeks, Obviously growing veg again, lol...you should've seen how tiny the clones where, that they are making NEW pistils still....In veg stage...hadn't ever taken clones in flower before, so that was news to me...thanks for letting me know I didnt need to freak out hatch, lol...
whiskeytango

[hatch]

I was only talking about pulling the pistils off the donor clones, (new mums). Not the ones that are going to flower...But if the few thin pistils the mums are throwing are not effecting anything, Ill leave em. I just didnt get how after taking the clones at 10 days, and they barely had any pistils...after growing on 24/0 for 3 weeks, Obviously growing veg again, lol...you should've seen how tiny the clones where, that they are making NEW pistils still....In veg stage...hadn't ever taken clones in flower before, so that was news to me...thanks for letting me know I didnt need to freak out hatch, lol...
whiskeytango

LOL!!!,,,Oh, I'm Not Freaking Bro!!!,,,That's Just The Way I Roll!!!!:rastasmoke: :rastasmoke:

[SnSstealth]

...thanks for letting me know I didnt need to freak out hatch, lol...
whiskeytango
Meant me...lol

[SnSstealth]

First 2 are the SB mum...only 7 in tall, and has 12 shoots..Yipee..FIMmed the shit outta the mums...
Last few pics are the clones that were cleaned of extra branching, and stuck in the flowering room with the Episode 3 girls....enjoy
whiskeytango
:joint1:

[indoorgirl]

The little gnats are fucking back...I swear to god these things are worse than german cockroaches... with the pyrethin bomb, larvicide, fungicide, and the cold nights, I don't know how these things haven't died...
whiskeytango
Hello SnS.....I've been lurking here admiring all your great work on this grow and on Episode 3 and have some thoughts on your fungus gnat problem. I've used in the past Knock-Out Gnats from [url=http://www.gardensalive.com]"Environmentally Responsible Gardening Products that Work". You have to use it at least 3 weeks in a row....I've used 4 weeks in a row just to be sure, They also sell a spray called Pyola Insect spray that might be worth a try. Here are the directions from the website:
Stops fungus gnats that attack your houseplants and greenhouse plants

Only from Gardens Alive! This strain of Bacillus thuringiensis (Bti) provides very effective fungus gnat control for houseplant growers and home greenhouses. Populations of fungus gnats (often called "fruit flies") usually peak during winter and spring. The tiny adult insects lay their eggs in peat moss, humus-rich organic soil and potting media. The larvae then feed on plant roots, including those of young seedlings. Infested plants wilt, roots rot and the plants may eventually die.

With Knock-Out Gnats, however, the larvae ingest the larvicide and die! Use as a soil drench, 2-8 tsp. per gallon of water. Make three weekly applications to control successive generations. You can monitor effectiveness of Knock-Out Gnats with sticky traps.

Good luck with your problem. You've done some amazing work so far and I'm looking forward to seeing more..... :hippy: Indoorgirl

[SnSstealth]

Thanks for the info indoorgirl!! Sounds like a damn fine product, looks like Ill be ordering it, lol.
whiskeytango

[d4twamp]

I took a lone clone of a flowering plant in my last grow and found it to root very quickly but like you said it kept producing pistils but eventually it bounced back into veg mode. then it died due to my neglect dun dun duuuuuuuuun. but I learned something in the process, cloning flowering plants is possible but I'll try to make that decision to clone or not to clone next time before the onset of flowering.But knowin me I'll be doing it again...lol...

[d4twamp]

Stealth's room is the south's version of the AURORA BORIOLUS the SOUTHERN LIGHTS..I just realized it's past midnight It's my B day 9/11 who feels like celebrating on that day of infamy
D

[SnSstealth]

I joined the Army on 9/11/96...lol,,,yeah, shitty day
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

Mums not lookin to good....check this out guys please!
http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-problems/162278-mums-sick.html

whiskeytango

[jakezking]

WT and DB, I can't keep up with you guys. I'm gone for a couple of weeks, and the entire Star Wars trilogies are nearly reproduced here. I'm sorry I can't add anything to the advice being given for your mom plants. I would tend to agree they may be rootbound, and I've read trimming the roots is a viable solution. A good flush may do the trick too, although it seems like you said you have not given them any nutes? Flushing couldn't hurt though.

I know you will get their problems sorted though - you've got the thumbs for it! Take good care out there, my friend! Good luck!

[justdirt]

hey guys, I've been reading on the forum for a couple of weeks now. I've been growing indoors with a 600w flowering room and a 400w veg room for 4 years. I recently purchased 4 procyons. I am moving to a perpetual SOG setup. Three procyons for flower, 1 for veg. I grow in 10 gallon rubbermaid containers with two plants per box. There will be twelve of these boxes in the flowering room. 4 boxes are just a little bigger than 3X3 more like 3X3.25. I'm sure that through rotation I won't have any problems.
The strain is AK 47. It has been very good to me, recommended after i get my 50 posts in i'll try to start a log. until then just a bunch of talk i guess. BTW, SnS very good job hoprfully we will be able to help each other out.

[SnSstealth]

Welcome just dirt...Help ya all we can man...:greenthumb:
Dr spiggity,rightway, redline, british hempire...few others.. are growing LED now too, so like I was saying back in Feb....we FINALLY got a few more LED growers to talk to about shit...lol
few key points....
lights around 12in from tops
water MUCH less frequently, feeding as well
eh...smoke a fatty and read through my last 3 logs..theres some homework for ya, lol...
whiskeytango
:joint1:

[justdirt]

i've read in another post that you are using 3 or is it 4 procyons in a 2X7 area? would you recommend that i decrease my area as well. am i not going to get good results with 3 of them over a 3X9 area? also is there a way to do private messages to each other?

[SnSstealth]

4 procyons...and 4 T12s now...no way to private message here...
whiskeytango

[justdirt]

do you use co2? i will be adding that to my system. thing about co2 boost rather than a bottle. anybody used it? info at co2boost.com

[SnSstealth]

Thats what we are using...shit man, either you know me in real life, or read my shit a lot, or your a cop, lol...Im into the organic shit too man... check your rep

whiskeytango


FFoF WILL compact without added perlite....trust me, lol...

[justdirt]

thanks for the rep boost. sounds like great minds think alike. we could probabaly be friends in real life. i'm not in to bullshitting or listening to any of it and from your other threads neither are you. you might just be my doppleganger (big word alert, don't get to use that one much). I have read alot of your threads and it amazes me that people will argue so heatedly with obviously no practical expirience. there are a bunch of know nothing turds out there. I just feel like screaming " pick up a book first then get your hands dirty then talk to me in a year cause until then you probably don't know shit" I wouldn't tell a doctor how to perform surgery. why would they tell me how to grow. sorry a little off the subject but i seriously feel your pain when those types want to argue

[d4twamp]

yeah, yeah, brush dem' shoulda's off

[SnSstealth]

Yeah...we are using CO2 boost as well....
whiskeytango

[d4twamp]

I was lookin into the Co2 BOOST as well howz it workin fer' ya

D

[MVP]

The little gnats are fucking back...I swear to god these things are worse than german cockroaches... with the pyrethin bomb, larvicide, fungicide, and the cold nights, I don't know how these things haven't died...
whiskeytango

try Diatomaceous Earth

[d4twamp]

SnS did your avatar come fro sirsmokesalot, he's got the same one...lol..
D

[SnSstealth]

Got it off google images...guess Ill change it again...lol
Lookin very lovely in the flower room. The clones are all crowned over, and the other 8 are getting ready to come out...My 420Scope should be here tomorrow, and Ill have pics up then...
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

There...this is my dog manson...doubt anyone has this avee...lol
whiskeytango

[d4twamp]

Hey I liked the smokin infant wher'd he go
D

[SnSstealth]

First pic is the Church mum doing her damn thing...Other two are the clones...about 18 days flower, and avg 12in tall....yipee
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

Few plan changes...Seeing how well the Church that was hacked did in a 5 gal...I cloned the church mum we got (week old pic below) only 4 cuttings, and Im gonna veg her a wee bit longer, and transplant to a 5 gal...Thinking it may be the first QP LED grown plant:woohoo:
The HK#5 was frosty, but in the end, #4 was just as frosty and much fatter, so I culled the HK5 mum, and chopped for bonsai the HK4.
HK#2 will also be getting culled out, took 5 clones for filing the rooms sake, but culled the mum. Either a NCDG or Yeags MTF x BI wil be taking its place.
SO....15 clones cut, 13 to be going in the flowering room soon as episode 3s girls are done.
Pics tomorrow on the clones in veg, clones in flower, and the mums....lol
whiskeytango

[d4twamp]

me likey the perpetual harvest yall got going on there, I can't wait to get back up and runnin myself. you guys r making me jealous with all your cannabis porno shots... keep it comin

D:S5:

[mmenigma]

Hello, I've been reading and lurking for some time now and am really impressed. I've also been following the Procyon and LED grows at Experiments with Hydroponics, Aeroponics, and LED Grow Lighting (http://www.greenpinelane.com). The LED grows seem to be getting better and better. Did you see Ryan's test of the SmartLamps? Truly awesome, but at $1400 a pop it's just a bit much.

SNS, do you think a fruitful seed to bud grow can be attained with the Procyon without any supplemental lights? Let's say the grow room is 9sq ft and all other systems are working well.

Thanks and looking forward to continued reading and learning.

[SnSstealth]

Hello, I've been reading and lurking for some time now and am really impressed. I've also been following the Procyon and LED grows at Experiments with Hydroponics, Aeroponics, and LED Grow Lighting (http://www.greenpinelane.com). The LED grows seem to be getting better and better. Did you see Ryan's test of the SmartLamps? Truly awesome, but at $1400 a pop it's just a bit much.

SNS, do you think a fruitful seed to bud grow can be attained with the Procyon without any supplemental lights? Let's say the grow room is 9sq ft and all other systems are working well.

Thanks and looking forward to continued reading and learning.
Your answers my young padawan....lie in our first thread "LED Growing-An Instructional Grow Log. Link in the siggy....warning...its 1000+ posts long...But it was a pure LED grow, from seed to bud under the procyons...
whiskeytango

[mmenigma]

Thanks for your reply.

I have read and scanned that set of posts several times and here's my synthisis of 48 pages of posts in LED growing- An instructional grow log, 17 pages of Episode 3 and the few pages here to a couple of sentences.

Yep it can be done all LED but you'll get a bigger yield if you add full spectrum floros or HID as in Episode 3 with the T12 floros. And for your next grow you plan on adding HID 70's? The upshot is LED good. but adding HID or floros is better?

I know this is all experimental and learn as you grow but do you think adding other lights to the mix is best?

[SnSstealth]

Correct,
We have found that something is definitely lacking with the LEDs. Dont get me wrong, you will still get some super dank with a procyon alone, but the yield and it appears finishing time are effected. So, IMHO, (and a few others I guess) adding the 3 70W HPS to the mix will give them the far-red/infrared that they need, or at least that we think we need. We could do this with LEDs, but the specific ones needed like the 730Nm are very expensive and sparse. So for now, we feel the HPS will do best. Damn sure cant hurt...lol
The floros, although only used for about 75% of the flowering cycle arent doing shit at the height we have to have em, so they are for the birds...
whiskeytango

Im too stoned...picks tomorrow when more of the Episode 3 girls come down.

P.S.S (whatever) lookin like NCDG is gonna be in the line up!!!:woohoo:

[YouGrowBoy]

is this the 70w light you're talking about?

Product Information Error Page (http://tinyurl.com/48vfwv)

[SnSstealth]

is this the 70w light you're talking about?

Product Information Error Page (http://tinyurl.com/48vfwv)

link doesnt work. its the one that is meant to be aimed straight down with a circular lampshade(?) aiming the light to the ground. of course well be mounting them differently.

db:smokin:

[YouGrowBoy]

Aww funk, it was there yesterday. They also had a 50 watter.

Yes it's the one that points down and has a little hat on top. I'll be interested in seeing how it's taken apart and remounted.

GrowBoy

[SnSstealth]

Stay tuned...you soon shall see, lol.
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

Replacement Procyon received, as well as the NCDG( NorCal DaddysGirl) so 6 of them are in a wet towel.
whiskeytango

[d4twamp]

when are the HD HPS's being implemented
D:smokebong:

[SnSstealth]

Within 2 weeks...Some reverse engineering is required...lol
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

This is the original Church mother, but due to her gorgeous thick bushy self, I took another clone to mum, and this lovely lady is going in the 5gal, for hopefully the first qp of a plant in LED. The other is the flowering clones. I took 15 more at the beginning of the week, post some pics later of them.
Also have 5 lovely NCDG sprouts. Big plans here, hoping to hell for a daddy outta the bunch, if not, I germ the other 10.

[SnSstealth]

Cont'd.....
Here is a bonsai mum of ms frosty from episode 3. Chopped her down, and now she is thriving well, and wrapping good!! A few more pics of the Church SOG clones.
whiskeytango

[hydrocannabis]

veddy veddy nice. led.:D
the buds R looling great.:thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

Thanks dro...like my first bonsai attempt?
whiskeytango

[hydrocannabis]

groovy looking.

[SnSstealth]

Yeah, for shits n giggles, Im gonna shape her all artsy lookin, lol...see what I can do, she will give A LOT of cuttings already.
whiskeytango

[d4twamp]

Beautiful WT very impressed with the resin production with those leds would love to put some in my op... I would love to go vertical HPS with supplemental LEDS overhead I think they would compliment each other very nicely...

But at the same time I've got to give props to you and DB for the increased level of skill that's apparent in your grows... you've came along way since the 1st grow log, impressive...I'm absolutely staying tuned for the next episodes and seasons of the SnS show...even though I'm hooked on Dexter right now I'll still find time for your show

later D

[SnSstealth]

lol, thanks D! stop over at go check out Eipisode 3 on demand, lol. Put up a bunch o bud pron:giggity:
whiskeytango

[d4twamp]

WT, I just came from episode 3 on your cue to visit episode 4..lovely trich's my brudda, lovely indeed...

D

[Weedhound]

Is that Church all part of the same one plant you started with?

[SnSstealth]

Sure is weedy....VERY special girls she is:thumbsup: The harvested church in episode 3 and this one are from the same one plant in....april? I think? took 3 clones of of this one to make a nother mum, and I am definitely thinkin a qp of this one in a 5 gal...fingers crossed
whisekytango

[SnSstealth]

Beautiful WT very impressed with the resin production with those leds would love to put some in my op... I would love to go vertical HPS with supplemental LEDS overhead I think they would compliment each other very nicely...
But at the same time I've got to give props to you and DB for the increased level of skill that's apparent in your grows... you've came along way since the 1st grow log, impressive...I'm absolutely staying tuned for the next episodes and seasons of the SnS show...even though I'm hooked on Dexter right now I'll still find time for your show
later D
Now thats kinda spooky...Stay tuned for some big surprises for " Episode 5: The____ Strikes back!" :greenthumb:
whiskeytango

[Shovelhandle]

Very green and happy! And they will finish in about 9 weeks at 24" tall?

[SnSstealth]

No way man, I am assuming its the LEDs, but we went qlmost 12 weeks on 3 7-9 week strains....ick
whiskeytango

[d4twamp]

SnS is this why you feel the future implementation of hps is necessary...

D

[SnSstealth]

in a nutshell...yeah
whiskeytango

[SirBeardo]

I've scanned all your LED threads thus far, and I'm super stoked about your results. Thanks so much for the info and experimentation. I'll continue to follow your progress. Cheers.


beardo.

[justanotherbozo]

man i am so jealous, lol

you have an awesome collection of genetics there my friends, you guys
are truely inspiring.

[SnSstealth]

Sns_stealth loves yahoo. Drop a line bozo
WT

[d4twamp]

haven't seen you in a while bozo

[justanotherbozo]

Sns_stealth loves yahoo. Drop a line bozo
WT


don't know your addy my friends, otherwise i would

[justanotherbozo]

haven't seen you in a while bozo

thanks for noticing. i had some shit land on me here in the real!

no worrys, i'm mostly dug out now and back on track!

[d4twamp]

I hear ya Bozo, just like I told Xrta crispi who says he's had a few curve balls this past year, All we can do is stay in that batter's box and keep on swingin'..Good to hear your alright bruddah

sorry for the jack SnS

D:S5:

[justanotherbozo]

I hear ya Bozo, just like I told Xrta crispi who says he's had a few curve balls this past year, All we can do is stay in that batter's box and keep on swingin'..Good to hear your alright bruddah

sorry for the jack SnS

D:S5:


thanks man, and i'm sorry for the thread jack too my friends

[SnSstealth]

Sns_stealth loves yahoo. Drop a line bozo
WT
EMail goes for you too D4....Its right there bruddah, look closely, lol...no worries on the jacks my friends! My friends are wecome to talk away in my house:greenthumb:
whiskeytango

[justanotherbozo]

EMail goes for you too D4....Its right there bruddah, look closely, lol...no worries on the jacks my friends! My friends are wecome to talk away in my house:greenthumb:
whiskeytango

LOL, yeah, i think i figured it out, check your e-mail, and note the time i
sent it, lol

[chapstick67]

SnS. How is some of that bud from Episode 3 smoke...you say its very resinous...do you think its equivalent to a HPS or find that LED bring more potency out. Also in regards to the freak pheno...what strain was that? just wondering.

good luck on EP. 4 ...i can't wait until i harvest myself.

[SnSstealth]

The freak was a HKxBI F1. Definitely leaning more towards the BI. I call her Jawdrop....lol. Any of my friends as well as myself, within 5 min of finishing the bowl, are sitting on the couch, mouth hanging open, lol. Good shit
The Church is quite the smoke too. Not too big a fan of the Smashberry, great smell and taste, but pretty boring high.
whiskeytango

Feeding the girls in about 30min. Will take pics of the Episode 4 girls.

[d4twamp]

WT, bring the Jawdrop with yall, when you Four (you, DB, the wife & lil one) become Californians...

D:jointsmile:

[highasfunk]

sns, do you feel that the hps and other supplemental lighting is important throughout the whole grow or just during flowering?

i've browsed through your 3 grows here and am impressed with the results...so much so that i now own a procyon which is being used for cloning and starting veg. the procyon is replacing my 400w mh/hps which it looks like i'm going to hang onto now.

[SnSstealth]

Procyon is hands down the shit for veg. Definitely need supplemental light for flowering.
whiskeytango

glad to inspire:thumbsup:

[d4twamp]

Whiskey - How good do you think a room w/ vertical hps and overhead LED's would perform...I'd love to try this...

D:jointsmile:

[SnSstealth]

Whiskey - How good do you think a room w/ vertical hps and overhead LED's would perform...I'd love to try this...

D:jointsmile:

AMAZING! Stay tuned D4....Me thinks you see the future:greenthumb:
whiskeytango

[d4twamp]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh shit you know wuts up:thumbsup:

I'll def be tune in...

found this today and cut/pasted it from Wikipedia's hydroponic page:

NASA has done extensive hydroponic research for their Controlled Ecological Life Support System or CELSS. Hydroponics intended to take place on Mars are using LED lighting to grow in different color spectrums with much less heat

If hydro and LED's are good enough for NASA and the Martians, it's sounds just right for my spaceship...lol...

D:abduct:

[bobdog555555]

Correct,
We have found that something is definitely lacking with the LEDs. Dont get me wrong, you will still get some super dank with a procyon alone, but the yield and it appears finishing time are effected. So, IMHO, (and a few others I guess) adding the 3 70W HPS to the mix will give them the far-red/infrared that they need, or at least that we think we need. We could do this with LEDs, but the specific ones needed like the 730Nm are very expensive and sparse. So for now, we feel the HPS will do best. Damn sure cant hurt...lol
The floros, although only used for about 75% of the flowering cycle arent doing shit at the height we have to have em, so they are for the birds...
whiskeytango

Im too stoned...picks tomorrow when more of the Episode 3 girls come down.

P.S.S (whatever) lookin like NCDG is gonna be in the line up!!!:woohoo:


Wuts up sns and everybody. I can not express how gratefull I am to have your guys experiences and knowledge to learn from. I am looking into purchasing a procyon and im wondering what you think about using floros, even cheap ones like International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums - An Inexpensive & Better CFL for Growing in Small Spaces (http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=54905) to make up for the non-procyon spectrums?

[SnSstealth]

Great idea man....I even saw a couple procyons on ebay now. I was thinking about doing a procyon/CFL grow for quite some time before deciding what to do with Episode 5. Get on it man, you'll pop out some gorgeous nugs...
whiskeytango


Gro De Pot sells nice 23W 2700K CFLs!

[d4twamp]

I buy my 23w = 100w 2700k CFL's at the Dollar Tree, Stealth how much are they at gro de pot

pic 1 is the Dollar Tree 2700k CFL's for only 1 clam

pic 2 is 8 23w bulbs in a 800w equivalent CFL fixture I built awhile back it uses only 184 watts..costs me only $28 for the fixture, socket Y's, the grounded cord, and bulbs...

Donchya' jus' love DIY

later, D:smokebong:

[d4twamp]

Stealth found these and thought of your grow 150w HPS for a twamp, can't beat that huh! lemme know what ya think, after ya click on the link go to the vapor tights

http://www.e-conolight.com/Product/EProductDetail.asp?ProductFamilyID=7&FGNumber=E-MT6H151G

D:jointsmile:

[d4twamp]

Thanx 4 the rep...Can't wait to see the new setup...On the edge of my seat wondering what the next episode of the Stealth crew will bring...if your doing what I think your doing, I'm jealous... shit I'm alredy jealous. I can't stand lookin at all these grow logs, knowin I need to do some work before I can get growin again myself...Just when I thought I could drop some more cash into my rooms My fridge breaks down a week later I find termites and have to rip half a wall outta my living room,replace the insulation and on and on and on...so being able to see someone grow is inspiring...keep up the good work and I'll stay tuned...sorry for the long ass ramble...lol...

D:thumbsup:

P.S. - I noticed everyone's using thier dogs as avatars so I changed mine to my 3 yr. old rotty her name is Sativa

[highasfunk]

cant wait to see the hps and led's. i'm thinking of flanking a 400w hps w/ 2 procyons myself.

[SnSstealth]

Thanx 4 the rep...Can't wait to see the new setup...On the edge of my seat wondering what the next episode of the Stealth crew will bring...if your doing what I think your doing, I'm jealous... shit I'm alredy jealous. I can't stand lookin at all these grow logs, knowin I need to do some work before I can get growin again myself...Just when I thought I could drop some more cash into my rooms My fridge breaks down a week later I find termites and have to rip half a wall outta my living room,replace the insulation and on and on and on...so being able to see someone grow is inspiring...keep up the good work and I'll stay tuned...sorry for the long ass ramble...lol...

D:thumbsup:

P.S. - I noticed everyone's using thier dogs as avatars so I changed mine to my 3 yr. old rotty her name is Sativa

Awwww....high sativa!! Mines name is Manson. Not sure how much LED will be in the flower room...oops, I said too much!:D
WT

[Weedhound]

MUCH better than the Dexter one.

[SnSstealth]

MUCH better than the Dexter one.

Lost me Weedy...lol
whiskeytango

[d4twamp]

Lost me Weedy...lol
whiskeytango

WT,
I think she was talkin bout my old avatar...She does look alot better than Dex.I would agree WH...lol...

D

[WhiskeyTango]

ooooh...I get it now. Wait, huh?
:joint1:

heh....

[WhiskeyTango]

oh....subscribed! Nice work, n stuff...
:joint1:

[justanotherbozo]

ahem...

[d4twamp]

oh....subscribed! Nice work, n stuff...
:joint1:

R U the Whiskey T of SnS or is it just a co-winky-dink!!!

D:jointsmile:

[justanotherbozo]

R U the Whiskey T of SnS or is it just a co-winky-dink!!!

D:jointsmile:

ahem...DB, hi there! (don't hate me 'cause i'm not an Obama fan)

[WhiskeyTango]

Hey guys...check this out
http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/164484-whiskeytangos-boom-boom-room.html

looks like a cool ste-up you might have been wanting to see D4:jointsmile:

[SnSstealth]

The end of episode 4.....they should be down by mon-tues

[hydrocannabis]

looken great as alwase.:thumbsup:

[N8palm420]

placing it in a secrit jarden 2x2x4'7high will start a thread and kepp you posted!!

[d4twamp]

why did Bozo get banned

[WhiskeyTango]

Didnt know bozo got banned....hmmm

[d4twamp]

Didnt know bozo got banned....hmmm

Yeah I was in his thread wondering why he wasn't hittin' me back, until I realized he was wearing the banned jacket....

[N8palm420]

Just Started a grow log need a little help any suggestions?Thanks everyone That makes L.e.d. lighting a little more fun!

[93RX7s]

just purchased 2 procyons myself because of this. Was able to get 25% cashback using ebay buy it now (got them both on ebay) so I paid a lot less for them :).

Thanks for the info!! My babies are doing well with 0 stretching.

[N8palm420]

just purchased 2 procyons myself because of this. Was able to get 25% cashback using ebay buy it now (got them both on ebay) so I paid a lot less for them :).

Thanks for the info!! My babies are doing well with 0 stretching.
Nice Check out my post and keep me posted on your grow im interested in how it go's!

[dyerlb]

hey stealth,
I gotta say.....GOOD JOB on the logs!
I,ve been considering going LED, but until I found your logs I couldn't get any impartial and/or factual info!! THANKS!!
But I have a few questions.
I have been growing for a long time(on and off),but didn't get serious until my wife left me about 6 years ago, and I didn't start growing indoors until a couple of years ago. I can describe my system later if you like,but for now I would like to know if you were using any CO2, Ihavn't read anything about CO2 in your threads.
Thanks for your time and your great effort!

[Revanche21]

great work! lets get some budpr0n closeup shots when they finish up :)

[WhiskeyTango]

eh....smoked and forgot pics, lol...here are a few of the Church, and the :jawdropper: respectively

:joint1:

[Rock.Steady]

HOLY NUG BATMAN :jawdropper: