GREENATIK'S HOUSE OF FOAM

[greenatik]

Well hello cann.com - and welcom to my second indoor grow. For all those that weren't watching, my first grow was one plant heavily LST'd in a computer with 92 cfl watts. yielded about an ounce of tasty dank, and a realization of what could be done on a 'micro' level.

I am usually browsing over on icmag in their micro section for inspiration, especially from a member who flowers 144 plants with 1176 watts in a very compact manner. I decided to scale it down, build something more geared towards my personal use, and maybe a tad bit less crammed.

I present you my micro house of foam.

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Yes, Styrofoam.. Didn't have the tools nor the cash for anything more luxurious. In retrospect it was a really easy material to use and build with, and very strong once finished.


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The lighting is supplied via two 4-light vanity fixtures, so a total of 8 possible CFLS. Right now there are 6 23 watt cfls, and 2 50 watters. Planning on adding a couple more 50's once I completely finish the intake/exhaust, but the current temps don't allow it.

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The ventilation is fairly simple, 1 dayton blower exhausting, passively. My hinging door stays shut perfectly just by the suction. I am thinking of adding a 4" dayton intake once the carbon filter (if needed) is added. Right now the temps are 84, but I am shooting for the 70's.

I had to do some work lining the outside and inside with poster board to prevent 'glow,' and added weatherstripping to the door and lid to go around wires. It is very close to light safe, and will be completely soon.

I am growing in COCO again, and hoping for the similar beautiful results (without burning them)

[greenatik]

OK - On to the plants.

STRAINS
So this was my first time cloning... the cuts were taken from my outdoor plants about an hour away. Not to mention they were from pretty malnourished plants. Turned out O.K. - got 12 out of about 25. They all rooted within 10 days and are now in 20 oz gatorade/powerade bottles. I think they are looking shitty for a couple reasons. one there was a small mite attack right when they first got in the foam box (taken care of), and two they needed to be fed badly. just got them some nitrogen for the first time 2 days ago and they are looking a lot better. FINGERS CROSSED :rasta:

Good God (clone from club, unknown genetics)

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Bagseed (most vigorous of the plants I grew outside this year, also the fastest rooting clone by far, 5 days)

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The Chronic

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[painretreat]

That looks like a magnificent idea!! Thanks for sharing and using COCO!!
Subscribed!! :thumbsup: PR :hippy:

[greenatik]

Gods Gift x Blue Goo (OG KUSH x GDP x BLUE BUBBLEJUICE X G13)

my fav plant
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Purple Erkle a.k.a BUSHY FUCK (only one from seed - not sure about the yellowing, it had been going a little before the clones and needed veg nutes for sure...) hopefully its on the right path now.. the new growth looks pretty good

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[greenatik]

Oh yeah, will be flowering between 12-15 plants, 12/12 from clone. I have 11 now, 1 possible male (urkle), and plan on throwing maybe 1-2 clones from the club in. I am using MaxiGro veg nutes and used The Stimul8r to achieve node galore. I will be using Flora Nova, Liquid KoolBloom and the Dry KoolBloom. Along with sweet/molasses in the flush.

The chronic, pictured above, looks extremely weird because its off a revegged single-bladed mom, but I expect big things from this wierdo :D


Thanks for joining in PR, cheap and effective is what im all about :jointsmile:

[Puffzter]

Looks beautiful. Always love to read about a well planned micro. And I am a big fan of coco and can't really understand why anyone would use soil indoors. :P

I'll keep track of this one.

Puffzter

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Plants are looking good nice compact nodes:thumbsup:

That yellowing scares me:( Did you over nute? You may want to do a flush if you have not already done so.

What nutes are you using?

JG

[Puffzter]

I doubt that is an issue of over nuting. Rather looks the other way imho or a slight pH problem.

Puffzter

[greenatik]

whats up puff, thanks for joining in.. I too am a big fan of coco, IMHO it is much simpler to deal with and analyze what is going wrong, when things do go wrong

hey jerry thanks for stopping in - the yellowing scares me as well. like i mentioned they were starving for N, and I think I overdid it slightly the first feed, so I flushed, and things look to be back on track. Hard to tell since this is my first time with this type of coco and first time with these nutes.

will post a pic in the plant problem section if it doesnt clear up within a few days. I just flipped the lights, so they will be getting the FloraNova soon

ph is 5.7-6.0

Kind of confused about CALMAG. My veg nutes have CAL and MG, its a one-part complete hydro nute, so I haven't been giving it calmag. Any thoughts on this?


Thanks for the comments everyone ;)

[bickeybammer]

greenz i got room for a blue goo clone in my flower room.. let me flower one :hippy:

[greenatik]

Pretty sure everything is on track. They have blown up the last two days. Will share pictures sometime soon :hippy:

[killa12345]

Just a quick question if you dont mind greenatik......im in a similar situation that im going to flower in the coming days...... its been about 18 days since i cut them and they look great.....my question is did you start bloom nutes as soon as you went 12/12 or did you continue to feed veg nutes for a few days? Thanks for time ive enjoyed the grow so far! Funny my clones are in 32 oz gatorade bottles.....good luck bro!

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Your good as long as no more yellow appears and the new leaves stay a good dark green color.:thumbsup:

BOL
JG

[greenatik]

Just a quick question if you dont mind greenatik......im in a similar situation that im going to flower in the coming days...... its been about 18 days since i cut them and they look great.....my question is did you start bloom nutes as soon as you went 12/12 or did you continue to feed veg nutes for a few days? Thanks for time ive enjoyed the grow so far! Funny my clones are in 32 oz gatorade bottles.....good luck bro!

Hey no problem killa, thanks for stopping in - That answer really depends on your medium IMO. My clones needed food as soon as they hit the coco because it is an inert medium. I thought that they would be fine for a few days after rooting, but they started eating their lower leaves and showed signs of being stunted almost immediately due to the lack of nutrition.

As far as giving them flower nutes as soon as the flip... What kind of nutes are you using? I am using Flora Nova, and KoolBloom Liquid (Flower starter, 10-10-0). The day I flipped, I gave a light dosing (1/6 strength) of both. All plants seemed to respond well, and 3 of my 10 clones already have new pistils forming (3 days).

Hope this answers your question bro - or at least helps, because this was my first time cloning and first time flipping at such a young age too.


Your good as long as no more yellow appears and the new leaves stay a good dark green color.:thumbsup:

BOL
JG

Yeah Jerry, always best to look for signs of recovery in the new leaves. As I mentioned above, I am almost positive now that my lower leaves were yellowing due to lack of food.

:hippy:

[greenatik]

well im high and here's the update

here's a little diagram i just put together, and now realize, after the fact, that my color coding sucks

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bagseed
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purple erkle
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Gods Gift x Blue Goo
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[greenatik]

couple more

The Chronic
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the roots
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All of them have hairs already :giggity:
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[Garrett]

You make that diagram when you were high? lol

Looking nice, keep it up! :thumbsup:

[greenatik]

lol.... howd you know :wtf: .. super high lols

[epilepticme]

Great work!

[greenatik]

thanks for all the feedback guys :D

come back soon :)

Sooo, if you look at the first update in this log, I have a picture of a plant, labeled GG x BG (claimed it to be my favorite), but now, I am pretty sure its white widow. I took a couple cuts off the outdoor widow and got em all mixed up. but the way its growing, much more 'spindly,' convinces me its WW. Looks identical to its mother. I am going to have to LST this one, or its going to get outta control. its already 2-3 inches taller then the rest :cool:

update prolly coming in 4-5 days

peace :jointsmile:

[greenatik]

just snapped a few photos b4 bed... ill post a bigger update tommorrow ;)

purple erkle is a girl.. so 5/5 between bickey's and mine.. :rasta:

so 10 females - the canopy is full but have plenty of stretch room

the 3 gods gift x blue goo are turning pink :D

gg x bg
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bagseed
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[painretreat]

Wow, those gatorade bottles are cool for this, you can see the roots and not have to guess when they are ready for a transplant! Great thinking guys! Enjoy the read and the learning!! thanx!

Plants are looking so much better!!
:thumbsup: pr

[greenatik]

hey thanks PR.. although I don't think transplanting out of the gatorade bottle would be an easy task. the roots are growing like crazy though and it is fun to watch. Lots of people say not to use clear containers, but I've never heard of any damage from algae that can grow. But the coco stays fairly aerated and can't imagine algae being able to grow.

and a huge correction needed due to the dank aka bickeys mr nice / purple voodoo, its only DAY 9 of flower. they are moving so much quicker then my last indoor :hippy:

:stoned:

[painretreat]

I think you could just cut them with sissors, gently??
I just love um! But, I like to see it all, too!

Do you think Coco has anything to do with faster gro this time, or clear containters (lol)!! pr:hippy:

[Revanche21]

Wow, those gatorade bottles are cool for this, you can see the roots and not have to guess when they are ready for a transplant! Great thinking guys! Enjoy the read and the learning!! thanx!

Plants are looking so much better!!
:thumbsup: pr

the roots will turn green when light touches them for too long

[elskeetro]

This is sweet. Great little cab built on the cheap. I'm just wondering about 2 things:

1.) the clear bottles (as previously mentioned)...roots are much better off in the dark.

2.) The ventilation. You say you've got a fan exhausting the cab? Passively? i've never heard of a passive exhaust...passive intake, sure.

From your description (...1 blower exhausting, passively...My hinging door stays shut perfectly just by the suction...) i am willing to bet that you could improve your ventilation by adding a passive intake. The fact that the door is being held shut by suction says that there is an imbalance in airflow. Your fan is more than likely not running at it's full potential because it isn't able to pull new air in. Cut one or two 4" holes near the bottom of the box. Your door will probably need to be tacked shut, but i bet your fan works a lot better and your temps may even go down a bit thanks to the even exchange of air.

lookin good though. keep it up.
Skeet

[greenatik]

I have 3 intakes, pvc sized holes. the blower is exhausting and the ventilation is great, 80 degrees max and the plants stay almost sideways from air movement.

A lot of people grow in clear containers with no problems, and like I said the algae will have a hard time forming in coco because of the aeration.. I don't think ill see any the whole run, but it will be interesting to find out

thanks for stopping by peoples
:thumbsup:

[greenatik]

so its day 10 of flowering.. and here's that update I promised :hippy:

group shot
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GG X BG
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bagseed
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[greenatik]

purple erkle
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white widow
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the chronic (lst)
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[greenatik]

bummmp

[killa12345]

man the grow looks good.....im also lsting in gatorade bottles....the plants look fantastic....keep up the good work

[jakezking]

greenatik, it looks like you have another incredible grow on your hands here! It looks like Pilav really helped you become quite the artiste with the diagrammed drawing, eh? All of your plants look incredibly healthy, and I'm really intrigued with the styrofoam growbox - pretty flippin' ingenious, man!

Keep up the outstanding work - I look forward to dropping back in to see some sweet buds!

[greenatik]

yo whats up killa glad you like the grow -- how are you lsting w/ your gatorade bottles? kind of just used what I had on hand (metal hanger and tape) and seems to do the trick , kind of easy to confine the lsting just to the bottle space (getting cramped) :)

jake whats up man I can't wait till you build that attic box, i think youd be amazed at how easy indoor is :D coco just added the icing on the cake as far as simplicity goes

hehe, pilav was my test dummy for coco, cfls, and cramped spaces! I hope I learned enough to finish this one out without any problems :rasta:

gonna stop by your guys' logs
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[CaptainDankNuggets]

Im liken your setup that you got there, never seen anything like that before thats sweet.

[greenatik]

hey thanks and welcome aboard captain :jointsmile:

styrofoam just seemed right... I mean, it's already white, it has many insulation properties, and extremely easy to cut and modify. as well as cheap, $7.00 for a 4' x 8' sheet.

put it all together with gorilla glue and long screws ($10)

tilll next time :stoned:

[greenatik]

this strain has got me stoked.. the outdoors are frost central and mainly pink/white. going to revegg these bitches for the next run. they sog perfectly as well.

i seriously can't believe its only coming up on the 12th day

zoom in :stoned:

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[killa12345]

yo whats up killa glad you like the grow -- how are you lsting w/ your gatorade bottles? kind of just used what I had on hand (metal hanger and tape) and seems to do the trick , kind of easy to confine the lsting just to the bottle space (getting cramped) :)



what up greenatik......im using stainless steel outdoor screws and tying strings to them.....but man do the clones look perfect.......looks like we are very close in dates with our two gatorade grows.....nice to c good minds think alike.......see you soon bro! keep it up!

[Greenthing]

Hi ya Greenatik,
I have been away for some time now, your new enterprise is fucking awesome mate.:thumbsup:
I need to read up on you last grow to see what happend with the lovely lady Pilav.
I will be lurking on this one from time to time.
Good luck to you, not that you need it by the look of these beautiful babes.:cool:

[greenatik]

hey whatup greenthing, i appreciate the compliment :jointsmile: pilav turned out pretty tasty, yielded just shy of 1 oz.

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check back often there's going to be lots of pictures :thumbsup:

here's just a few pics way too high to do a full update
:D anyone smoked grape ape? some of the best shit i've ever had

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*FULL SIZED* ggxbg
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*FULL SIZED* bagseed
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[hydrocannabis]

wow thouse buds looks great. and the sog garden looks great also.:thumbsup:

[Greenthing]

Yeah Greenatic,
I have been away from home doing the festival scene in my campervan here in the UK as I do every year.
I found your other grow log and read it, Pilav did you proud man.:thumbsup:
Sorry this is of topic, I will be lurking on this one all the way.;)
Best regards Greenthing.:D

[greenatik]

hey thanks hydro :rasta: your outdoors are looking good man :jointsmile:

green nothings offtopic in here its pretty slow around here anyways :hippy:

check it out

day 14 ending..

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gg x bg
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white widow
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bagseed
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the chronic
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[greenatik]

purple erkle
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[hydrocannabis]

still looken great. so what kind of soil U growen in.

[greenatik]

its coco coir, really coarse coco so it looks a lot like mulch or soil
:)

[killa12345]

The week 2 pics looked mouth watering.......i must be nice to have all those diferent strains growing at once.....nice show bro!

[Greenthing]

its coco coir, really coarse coco so it looks a lot like mulch or soil
:)

I have a friend who grows in coco, he say's it is reusable because he uses Cannazym which breaks down the old root matter, it saves him money on grow media.

[hydrocannabis]

where can I get this stuff? and how well does it work. and how often do U have to water.

[greenatik]

coco is the shit. its considered hydro so it requires a couple variables to be on track. if your PH is on, and you supplement CAL/MG (medium is inert, no nutrients) when your not giving nutes, you will be amazed with coco

it does require more water, because it is aerated so much. I water them once at night when the lights are on, I don't soak em, but I give em enough for runnoff. then in the morning I fill up the tray that they are sitting in, and they wick it up during the dark period. I usually put like sweet and a light nute mix during their sleep cycle, and flush at night through the top

check out puffs white widows. or check out icmag, they have a section just on coco. quite amazing stuff..

and yes, its reusable, but its so cheap, unless your doing a larger grow op (or if your just not as lazy as me! :D), its easily replaceable. just make sure you rinse it well before using it the first time. :hippy:

[greenatik]

The week 2 pics looked mouth watering.......i must be nice to have all those diferent strains growing at once.....nice show bro!

hey bro,
yeah, I really enjoy growing the assortment. Next run I keep telling myself that it will be way more efficient (and 10x easier) to sog the same strain... but variety is what im all about! Since this is going to be 100% peronal, the variety should help with building up a tolerance (which i do easily) to one strain or another

anyways im on my way to check out a few logs in a bit

peace :hippy:

[Greenthing]

coco is the shit.
just make sure you rinse it well before using it the first time. :hippy:
Hi Greenatic, do you rinse with PH water.

[greenatik]

heya green,

I did not rinse with ph water this go around. I had a lot to rinse and I really wanted to wash it well, so i just used plain tap. but after I rinsed it and let it dry out a bit, I watered it with ph'd water and a light nute mix right before transplanting into. my mix contained piranha root mass, b1, liquid karma, and a tiny bit of maxigro veg nutes (everything was 1/6 strength or less)

but if you can do it, phd water would be the better route, although I saw no problems doing it this way :hippy:

[bickeybammer]

here's just a few pics way too high to do a full update
:D anyone smoked grape ape? some of the best shit i've ever had


:hippy:

let me tell you a little something about grape ape.... OMG it basically fried my brain and i didnt know anything at all.. it felt like i was trippin off salvia for 3 hours then just snapped back to normal crazy shit lol :hippy:

[Greenthing]

heya green,

I did not rinse with ph water this go around. I had a lot to rinse and I really wanted to wash it well, so i just used plain tap. but after I rinsed it and let it dry out a bit, I watered it with ph'd water and a light nute mix right before transplanting into. my mix contained piranha root mass, b1, liquid karma, and a tiny bit of maxigro veg nutes (everything was 1/6 strength or less)

but if you can do it, phd water would be the better route, although I saw no problems doing it this way :hippy:

I was not sure if you would have to with coco, I know its best to soak rockwool cubes in PH water.
what PH is your normal tap water, over here mine is 7.1

[greenatik]

mines about 7.5

it would be best to soak it in ph'd water i would imagine, but the rinsing is to remove the excess salts that coco is so renown for having. I probably ran 2-3 gallons through each of my gatorade pots lol. now the runoff is really clean. I did not rinse pilav's coco nearly as well, and nearing the end of that run, lots of salt started to buildup on top of container :(

oh, what i like to do, is ph an entire cooler full of water at a time, then separate it into smaller containers for flush/nute mixes

my flush water is at a ph of 5.8 and all I add is calmag

my nute mix is ph 5.8 and all I have been adding is 1/6 strength flora nova bloom and a little bit of sweet

I try and do 3 flushes to 1 nuting
:hippy:

[Greenthing]

Thanks for the info man, I am gonna give coco a try next time round:thumbsup:

[greenatik]

that makes me happy man..

if i've helped convince a couple people of how easy and explosive coco is, then this log was entirely worth it :jointsmile:

a couple more points about coco:

first of all, using a nute that is ph balanced and made for hydroponic mediums is key (IMO). last run i used botanicare bloom pro, and now I am using flora nova. both are 1-part nutes, containing everything needed for a hydro medium. There are lots of guides to follow over at icmag in the coco section about nute formulas compiled by some of the best coco growers i've seen. Lots of people recommend the canna line of nutes. I couldn't get my hands on it locally, but I would steer you towards that line. The nutes are specifically built for coco, not just hydro in general

secondly, don't be afraid of overwatering. it's possible, but only in a finer coco. i used botanicare BOSS coco last run, and it was fine enough to not have to water for up to two days. I pump water through this coarse coco twice a day, and i think this is where the difference will be seen this time around. The roots are thick white with lots of side branching.

pot size is not significant like it is with soil. my gatorade bottles will be more than suitable for the entire run. but the bigger the pot, the less you have to water.

the last tip i have is bottom feeding. I picked up this technique again over at icmag. it encourages the roots to grow more efficiently and replenish the root zone with fresh oxygen.

first i take a bucket filled with ph water and my calmag (or nutes, but I usually flush with this method)
Then, take your plant and push the pot down into the bucket. you can actually see air bubbles shooting up and once the pot stops trying to rise up and starts to sink, its been watered thoroughly. im going to find the link on the article about this

hope this helps :rasta::rasta:

[hydrocannabis]

I am so gunna try this.
and where can I get this stuff.

[Puffzter]

Us coco growers are taking over the world!
:D

About the coco nutes Hesi is also very good and have a specific line for coco growing so depending on what you can get your hands on Hesi or Canna will both be excellent choices.
This is the chart and the nutes I use.
http://www.hesi.nl/english/objects/img-eng/schema-engels-coco.jpg
I go a bit harder than that though. ;)

Puffzter

[greenatik]

most hydro shops have a good selection of coco. if you can water daily or put them in a tray to wick, get a coarser coco. you might be able to get coco elsewhere, im not sure though :wtf:

the hydro shop or online will be the only place to get the nutes though.

so this is what id get

1 bag, or 1 'brick' of coco
1 bottle of calmag
1 ph tester (and up/down to fix) ph needs to be 5.5-6.0
one part veg nute
one part bloom nute

thats the basics, any additives are up to you. im using piranha, sweet/molasses, kool bloom liquid/dry. the piranha is just fungi for massive root growth and you only use it for a couple of times in veg. the kool bloom liquid starts after week 5 of flower and the dry is a ripener for the last couple weeks. ive been using sweet for a week now and will continue every other watering until flush. the last weeks i will add the molasses

now i gotta go tend to the garden :rasta:

[hydrocannabis]

so how did Ukeep them so short? besides tieing them down.:thumbsup:

[Greenthing]

HI Greenatic,
I can get Canna nutes in my local hydro shop, I have used them before with NFT system with excellent results, big yields.
Thanks for all the info on the coco medium great stuff.
Do you mind if i copy that post for future reference.:thumbsup:

[greenatik]

so how did Ukeep them so short? besides tieing them down.:thumbsup:

well its been quite challenging lately (with a couple) but the stretch won't last much longer I think.. the secret is in a nute I gave them right before I flipped to 12/12. its called The Stimul8r and it increases the amount of flowering nodes. it has really done a good job keeping them short. i am growing everything from a bagseed sativa to white widow to indicas, and without it, i think they would of stretched beyond control. also i keep the lights within 1 inch, thats why some leaves look burnt because they grow up into the lights occasionally.



HI Greenatic,
I can get Canna nutes in my local hydro shop, I have used them before with NFT system with excellent results, big yields.
Thanks for all the info on the coco medium great stuff.
Do you mind if i copy that post for future reference.:thumbsup:
no problem :jointsmile: coco will be mindblowingly easy if you have already done hydro. copy whatever you need man :D :hippy:

[Greenthing]

Thanks Greenatic your a star man.:)

[killa12345]

Thanks for the info man, I am gonna give coco a try next time round:thumbsup:

This is a very interesting read greenatik.......I think im gonna try some coco next run.....probably coco/perlite hempy's vs. perlite/verm hempy's....might just throw a couple of soil ones in too with FFOF....

One question about the coco....since you done much more research....which i will eventually have to catch up, but have you seen people use FF hydro nutes in coco.....i can get any nutes from the hydro shops but i have tons of FF nutes now and some AN micro and Bloom.

Thanks for the show.....our clones are exactly 1 day apart.....nice...i also found that FF bestie bloomz will stop the plant from growing in its tracks....one or two doses and that plant will not grow more than 3 inches....

[greenatik]

hey killa sounds like a plan... although I have heard that cutting coco with perlite has no benefit. you should try just coco vs hempy with the same hydro nute. should be an awesome comparison, as well as interesting ;)
:hippy:

[killa12345]

hey killa sounds like a plan... although I have heard that cutting coco with perlite has no benefit. you should try just coco vs hempy with the same hydro nute. should be an awesome comparison, as well as interesting ;)
:hippy:

Thanks for the heads up with the coco/perlite.....ill take your advice and go 100% coco....im gonna go to hydro store on monday and source some coco.....any suggestions?...the store i go to has everything...

Off to IC to research more on coco! just like u said....if a few people go coco after this log it was worth it......chalk up another one for me!

thats kinda how i feel about the hempy's.....no one really over here ran them....now i feel people understand how explosive and easy passive hydro can be!

[greenatik]

well, no brand in particular, but I'm really likin' whats going on in the box with this coarse coco. just make sure you wash it good. mine came compressed in a brick in a grow bag. i ran water in it and it expanded, use your hands to fluff it up and break it apart. then, i put the coco into the pots, or gatorade bottles ::pimp: and rinse it once more really well... it drains easily so it doesn't take too long.

just make sure you have calmag :thumbsup:

[greenatik]

so I opened the box today and they were doin' so good I just had to update
these plants stink like crazy and are so frosty check it out

group shot out of cfls
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bagseed closeup
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gods gift x blue goo closeup
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ggxbg side shot, big ass pic, lots and lots of trichs
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ggxbg side shot
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[greenatik]

purple erkle closeup
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erkle side shot
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the chronic
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The RUNT aka Good God
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widow and chronic
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[greenatik]

white widow closeup
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chronic closeup
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all these are of day 17 ending.. :rasta:

[hydrocannabis]

omg. omg. omg. they R looking so so beautiful now. cant wate to see end grow bud shot.

so how often can this be reused? I really really want to get this stuff.
and have u seen any buds yet?


this is 1 hell of a badass grow.:thumbsup:

[hydrocannabis]

I wonder how well this setop would work with seeds.

[greenatik]

hey hydro,

purple erkle is from seed, it was from bud so it had a good chance of being female.. but i would really recommend using clones. its really easy to clone, and it keeps the SOG extremely efficient. the canopy stays even and its much easier to work with. my gg x bg, the ones that are growing like single colas, will be revegged and kept as a mother for the next run. all clones from that, and the yield will be greatly increased. i can also fit more plants because of how it grows.

coco is reusable but its really not expensive. youd be suprised. one bag was enough for 30 gatorade bottles and it was i think 4$

my last grow in the computer was in coco, it really was frosty yielded nicely for 1 plant in a comp, but dont overnute in coco, it reacts a lot faster (everyone saw pilav get fucked by the guano :()

try it out, if you can maintain a solid ph, not let them dry out, and supplement the calcium and mag when your not using the 1 part nute, i think you will have similar results bro

[Greenthing]

Looking really good in the house of foam today man.:cool:

[hydrocannabis]

so can I use any kind of hydro ferts in the coco?
and where can I get this stuff. like at a hydro shop or a garden shop or where ever.
and how much water do U give them each time U water?

also I have done 4 DWC grows over the past 3 years. they went good.
but just a few months ago I tryed to grow dwc agen and it whent way bad.

so I wnt back to soil but ended up with 10000,000000s of white flys.:mad::(

thanks for the info on this.:D

[killa12345]

so can I use any kind of hydro ferts in the coco?
and where can I get this stuff. like at a hydro shop or a garden shop or where ever.
and how much water do U give them each time U water?

also I have done 4 DWC grows over the past 3 years. they went good.
but just a few months ago I tryed to grow dwc agen and it whent way bad.

so I wnt back to soil but ended up with 10000,000000s of white flys.:mad::(

thanks for the info on this.:D


I hope this wasnt in a bag of FFOF......i had a problem with a bag of FFOF infested with white flys......took it back to the store and they gave me a replacement....i had a thread on this.....seems like in my parts we have a major white fly epedemic......This is the reason i went hempy.....

On another note...I bought some coco today......its called cocogro.....its mixed sizes....i saw the fine stuff and decided this might be better.....thanks hydrocannabis....i should have some clones running in the next few weeks with Coco/Hempy/FFOF

[greenatik]

so can I use any kind of hydro ferts in the coco?
and where can I get this stuff. like at a hydro shop or a garden shop or where ever.
and how much water do U give them each time U water?

also I have done 4 DWC grows over the past 3 years. they went good.
but just a few months ago I tryed to grow dwc agen and it whent way bad.

so I wnt back to soil but ended up with 10000,000000s of white flys.:mad::(

thanks for the info on this.:D

hydro shop is your best bet for the supplies needed. any hydro nute should do the trick but there's nutes out there that will work much better for coco. hesi and canna are two of the best. I have seen insane grows with Monkey juice a/b.

CALMAG 3/4-1 tsp / gal when not nuting :thumbsup:

i water twice a day now, once when they were little clones, but now, if i only watered once a day they would die.... when coco is dry, its really dry, and the plant will be on its side within 12 hrs (already happened to one of these plants, but it revived quickly once I watered it :( )

and how much i water is really something youll just get the feel for. its dependent on what type of coco you get and its drainage properties. about 80% of what I pour into the coco comes out due to the 'coarseness'




I hope this wasnt in a bag of FFOF......i had a problem with a bag of FFOF infested with white flys......took it back to the store and they gave me a replacement....i had a thread on this.....seems like in my parts we have a major white fly epedemic......This is the reason i went hempy.....

On another note...I bought some coco today......its called cocogro.....its mixed sizes....i saw the fine stuff and decided this might be better.....thanks hydrocannabis....i should have some clones running in the next few weeks with Coco/Hempy/FFOF

i trust anything coming from botanicare, so u should have a good experience with that coco.. pretty sure its the same brand I used last round.. what did it come in?

[hydrocannabis]

big thanks for the info guys.

I think I might get some of this stuff.
:D

there is a texas hydroponic store in my town. so yea.:D

[hydrocannabis]

TexasHydroponics::... (http://www.texashydroponics.com/shop/product.php?productid=2219&cat=138&page=1)

this stuff should work great right.

[greenatik]

yeah, thats the exact coco I'm using right now :thumbsup:

[hydrocannabis]

a few more Q. so if I wanted to reuse this stuff over and over agen. how long should I flush this stuff befor planting a new seed or clone in it?

and how often do U give them nuts/ferts?


also this micro grow is very inspirational to me. because of how damm good they seem to be growing/flowering.:D :thumbsup:

[greenatik]

im not to sure about whats needed to reuse the coco. have read its easily possible just never remembered the details. when u pick the coco up ask the hydro man, he'll surely know

I am nuting the plants by feel and eye.. no set schedule but it has been about 2-3 pure waterings (flushes) to 1 nuting. just start out slow and work my way up. lots of people feel it is necessary to nute every day in coco.. that didn't work out for me last run too well. so i have been playing it easy, but will be upping the nutes soon to 1/4-1/2 strength

i upped the wattage as well. currently at 260 watts. :smokin:

glad you like the grow hydro, coco is an outstanding medium! a SOG like this in soil averages about (experienced grower) 7-10 g / plant. it will be really interesting to see the yield in coco from the ones growing a single cola... hoping for close to a qp or a little more from this :rasta:

:hippy:

[killa12345]

i trust anything coming from botanicare, so u should have a good experience with that coco.. pretty sure its the same brand I used last round.. what did it come in?

Its is botanicare....it came in a big bag.....1.5 cu ft. loose particles...white bag.....i bought this one because it was the largest cu. ft they had in the store plus it was only $10.

[greenatik]

a white grow bag that says BOSS on the side?

[hydrocannabis]

guess what I got today.:D

yah thats right I finily got 3 things of the coco stuff. can't wate to use it.
so agen thanks for the info bout this stuff.


whoooo.:D

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Greenatik,

Wow great pics. And did I read that right? only "day 17 of flowering" if so they look to have crowned out already, mine really didn't look like that till around day 25.

I am a soil grower and I am looking at some of these hydro & coco grows to get some comparisons and tips that may come in handy. So I was wondering if there is something your using or doing to get them to flower faster? or is that flower date wrong? or is this a hydo/ coco thing?

Also unbelievably nice looking plants for the conditions they are in, in fact for any conditions they would look great.:thumbsup:

Thanks,

JG

[Greenthing]

im not to sure about whats needed to reuse the coco.
:hippy:
HI Greenatik, my mate uses Cannazym, It's good for the roots during grow also beacause it keeps the root zone in good health by breaking down the dead root matter, eating so to speak.
I use it and it works for me.;)

[greenatik]

Greenatik,

Wow great pics. And did I read that right? only "day 17 of flowering" if so they look to have crowned out already, mine really didn't look like that till around day 25.

I am a soil grower and I am looking at some of these hydro & coco grows to get some comparisons and tips that may come in handy. So I was wondering if there is something your using or doing to get them to flower faster? or is that flower date wrong? or is this a hydo/ coco thing?

Also unbelievably nice looking plants for the conditions they are in, in fact for any conditions they would look great.:thumbsup:


JG

Thanks Jerry, no typo here, those pics are indeed from day 17 of flower. Like you pointed out, most of them have crowned out, except ww and maybe the chronic. (these slowly coming to a halt)

I am thinking that they flowered quick for a couple reasons. first of all the growth in coco is always shocking, and secondly, the clones were taken off of flowering mums. I only revegged them long enough until they showed 2-3 sets of new leaves (week 1/2), then stuck them into flower. they all had new pistils forming within 4 days

i can't wait, they are already packing on weight and frosty dense nugs... day 20 till finish they will just be fattening :D


HI Greenatik, my mate uses Cannazym, It's good for the roots during grow also beacause it keeps the root zone in good health by breaking down the dead root matter, eating so to speak.
I use it and it works for me.;)

hey green, I have definitely heard of cannazym and its uses. just wish i had the extra money to add that to my wanted additive list.:rasta: i really want to run the whole canna line on my next run, but this flora nova is not dissapointing me so far :jointsmile:

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

So I think I am getting this right:stoned: 40 days from rooted cloan to 4 ounces of bud in that space!!! My god that is the perfect setup a med patiant or stoner his wife and a coulple close friends:rastasmoke:

JG

[greenatik]

well, i think they will take about 60 days in flower for most of them to be harvested. white widow will take longer and the bagseed will as well, maybe. because they stopped stretching so soon, i think they will just use the extra time to fatten, but i really dont know. they could be done day 40 flower but I am thinking 60

[greenatik]

but yeah, this setup is perfect for personal consumption. i can't wait to do this on a slightly larger scale, but perpetual. harvesting a plant a week, :jointsmile:

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Ok! but still 2 month turn around is still real good:thumbsup: makes sence now with no veg.

Another question. What do you use for a mom to get your cloans?

[greenatik]

I took the clones off of my current outdoor girls right when they were starting to bud

the additive I used before flipping, The Stimul8r, had something to do with how short and compact they turned out

[hydrocannabis]

guess what I got today.:D

yah thats right I finily got 3 things of the coco stuff. can't wate to use it.
so agen thanks for the info bout this stuff.


whoooo.:D

so how should I germinate me seeds in the coco. or should I use some jiffy pellets to germinate the seeds?

then when should I start useing some nuts/ferts. and how much.

[greenatik]

i would start them in a pellet or rooter first, keeping the moisture correct for the seedlings will be hard in coco

use CALMAG everytime you water, when your not nuting.

i would soak the coco with really light veg nutes and maybe something like liquid karma or B1 right before you transplant into it. let em be for a couple of days then start giving nutes at 1/8 strength or even less. slowly work your way up

[hydrocannabis]

i would start them in a pellet or rooter first, keeping the moisture correct for the seedlings will be hard in coco

use CALMAG everytime you water, when your not nuting.

i would soak the coco with really light veg nutes and maybe something like liquid karma or B1 right before you transplant into it. let em be for a couple of days then start giving nutes at 1/8 strength or even less. slowly work your way up


thanks for the info. will it fuck up my plants if I don't give them calmag.

[greenatik]

it is 100% necessary, your plants will never grow

[greenatik]

just like to mention that this is only my second indoor grow(3 1/2 grows total) so i'm no pro, everything i talk about or any advice is mostly from what i've read browsing around. so if something's incorrect let me know :jointsmile:

I think that coco is really just plain easy? I've read (couple opinions) that coco somehow doesn't produce as much frost and flavor as soil... but for day 20 mine are ridiculous, almost caught up to my outdoors in frost and those are not far from finishing..

hopefully get some shots up tomorrow of my outdoor bitches and the indoors, so we can compare mums and their hydro girls

peace :rasta:

[hydrocannabis]

yea pix soon. cant wate.

[hydrocannabis]

it is 100% necessary, your plants will never grow


so what is calmag and what does the calmag do to make the plant grow?
and so U must have used the coco with out calmag once or whatever and ur plants didn't grow.

or I guess Im a just lil confused as to what the calmag does.
I guess I need to pick some up.if I really need some for the coco to work right.

would a garden center or a place like walmart have the calmag.

well I'll be watching.:D

[greenatik]

anything considered hydro needs it because the medium, unlike soil, contains nothing. calmag is calcium and magnesium that you need to supplement because the coco doesn't have it. im guessing that in hydro (never have), nutes are always in the reservoir. so hydro nutes should have the proper cal/mag (i think).

but when you are just plain watering, not nuting, which I do quite a bit with mine, you have to add calmag to the water. its an essential food for the plant in all stages, unlike how nitrogen is for veg and phosphate is for bloom

i did find out the hard way, watching my new seedlings turn to mutated runts, start to turn purple, yellow, and almost die. then stinky screamed CALMAG and they came back to life. coco is useless without it. you need to run calmag if you use reverse osmosis as well.

go to the hydro shop and get it, and don't start without it :thumbsup:..

[hydrocannabis]

so I guess a garden store woildn't have it then. OK

I I hope don't cost too much money.

thanks for the info.:D :thumbsup:

[greenatik]

well the camera was being a little bitch today and i didn't get good pics of a lot of the plants that I wanted to get pics of :mad: actually wasn't the camera's fault, the wind made all my shots blurry... except a few.

the wind also almost killed white widow, 3 branches had completely fallen over so she got tied to a tree with hemp and taped at the stem

they have been getting heavy harvest, kool bloom, sweet, and molasses. some (ak48/good god/ couple bagseeds) will be ready soon(1-2 weeks), some have another 3-4 weeks (gods gift)

Gods Gift x Blue Goo.. Can you see why I want to SOG this plant entirely next round :D

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Good God.. I think this plant got its name by the smell. its so dank and frosty and sweet smelling every time I smell it I say good god!

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Bagseed.. the stickiest plant I have seen in person

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[greenatik]

the indoors just got a photoshoot, finally some good shots

hope your all ready for some sticky trich action


the canopy is efficient :rasta:
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GG x BG - the trich shots are 3 diff plants
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[greenatik]

Good God - this thing is just hilarious
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Bagseed being LST'd
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Bagseed #2
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[greenatik]

purple erkle - smells like chocolate covered strawberries
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The Chronic... mmm :food10: fruity just like the outdoors
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White Widow
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[greenatik]

WW

everything is nearing the end of day 20

[hydrocannabis]

rock on brotha. looking great I can't wate to use my coco.:D

[killa12345]

rock on brotha. looking great I can't wate to use my coco.:D


DIDDO.......I really looking forward to using my coco too....The clones look great.....definetly look better than mine at the same age....I love God gift.....that thing is a Monster!LOL.....but for real nice log GreenatiK!:thumbsup:

[Shovelhandle]

Girls are looking nicely.

[greenatik]

rock on brotha. looking great I can't wate to use my coco.:D


DIDDO.......I really looking forward to using my coco too....The clones look great.....definetly look better than mine at the same age....I love God gift.....that thing is a Monster!LOL.....but for real nice log GreenatiK!:thumbsup:


Girls are looking nicely.

thanks for the compliments peeps... hydro and killa - I have no doubt that you will never turn back to soil once you try coco

thanks shov ;) i love taking them photographs as well :pimp:

[bickeybammer]

i wish everyone can see this in person.... the difference between coco and soil is amazing ... the coco is very impressive and i cant wait to switch to it also

[greenatik]

prolly about time for an update ? my internet has been down for the last few days, but I will do an update tomorrow. 4 outdoor plants got the chop today... unexpected rains. ak48, good god, one gods gift, and a bagseed. the yield seems fair, and the buds are dense

:hippy:

[hydrocannabis]

oooo wee cant wate to see them.

so how R the sog plants doing?

[greenatik]

update - day 30 flower

A couple of plants (good god, ak48) will be ready in two weeks or less..
The tops are a little heat stressed but nothing too bad. The GG x BG's are doing quite well, really putting on the weight :)

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White Widow
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GG X BG
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[greenatik]

GG X BG side shot
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purple erkle
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frosty the bagseed
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[Greenthing]

Hi greenatik,
Things are looking great as always, they are that good I can taste and smell them.:thumbsup:
Take a look at your rep.:)

[killa12345]

2 wks....damn.....ive still got at least 5-7 on my clones.......great new pic green! Cant wait to see the finished product! 2 wks damn!

[greenatik]

well, two weeks is only really for 2 of them. ak48 is usually done in 48 days, and good god was crowned out by day 8 flower. its covered in amber hairs and its starting to purple. The rest of them still have some time left - which is good, can't wait to watch them fatten even more

Oh, and I was able to get quite a few seeds of GG X BG from a outside hermie, so I won't be revegging any from the SOG garden

thanks for stopping by friends, and thanks for the rep! :)

[hydrocannabis]

wow looken gr8 m8.

[greenatik]

so check it

I'm ending day 33, and all plants will be harvested by day 47!!!

On many, the trichs are already 50/50 amber cloudy. Started flush - a few plants are receiving lots of molasses/sweet for the next 4 or 5 days- ww, bagseed, gods gifts. so lots of pics of harvests coming up :D


So, I have a smoke report for my outdoor plants. they aren't even cured... well the good god (which we expected to be dank) is insane. its only been a few days in the jar and it already smells like something from the club. didn't yeild much... but one rip last night knocked me out (g bong) its a very strong high, and is not recommended to a first time smoker ;)

ak48 and the bagseed aren't cured yet but still pack a punch. ak48 is stronger then the bagseed, but this bagseed was weak compared to the others yet to harvest :rasta:

will update some day soon
:hippy:

[InspectahEX]

greenatik, how far do you keep your cfl lights from the top of your plants? whats the temperature in your grow room?

[greenatik]

been trying not to run ac and the temps have gotten up a little.. so i lowered them. but in the beginning it was normally 78 at the lights when ambient was 75. now ambient gets up to 79 so its about 83ish.

I keep the plants damn close though. or try to. the plants, until recently, lived up in the lights, LOL. thats why lots of leaves have damage but its a small price for denser buds.

[greenatik]

can someone help me calculate my watts / ft?

306 watts

H 13" X W 20"
:hippy:

[dooobster]

What's the length and width of your space?
Height doesn't matter. :)

[greenatik]

well I think its 185 watts / foot

anyways check out the girls, I snuck the camera in while they were sleeping :pimp:

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[greenatik]

oh, :thumbsup:, L 20 x W 11

didn't see your post doobster, thnx for the help :)

[hydrocannabis]

looken really really great.

[greenatik]

thanks bro :jointsmile: they are in their final stretch now, and the molasses.... dumped the frost on them. can't wait to vape all these flavors

your outdoors are going to be bomb, they look very similar to a lot of my outdoors. the smoke is noticeably different compared to indoor, in a good way.. it just tastes more natural or earthy

thanks for dropping by

[killa12345]

man the clones are looking incredible.....love the lights out pic.....beautiful log! cant wait to see some bud porn from this log!

[greenatik]

The smallest got the chop... Good God. Definitely going to be some dank smoke and the density is unreal

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[Greenthing]

Thats one very nice looking bud mate.:thumbsup:

[greenatik]

hehe the runt will probably end up being the dankest...

WW looks like shitt today all of a sudden, think the coco got too dry :(

I think I will just end up harvesting most of them tonight or tomorrow. WW, The Chronic, and "Frosty" The Bagseed will go for another week at the max. The Gods Gifts x Blue Goos are hard to read because they don't have white hairs.. the hairs at the top are mostly pink/purple/light orange, but according to the trichs I should of harvested a week ago :wtf: The hairs should curl over and suck back in, right?

well, I'm harvesting a few tonight anyways. :jointsmile:

[MediJuana]

I really like the idea of a mini sog grow with a lot of dif strains...thats badass i might need to try that one.


Plants look sick and that Good God nug looks absolutely amazing!

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[greenatik]

well, the last few hours has been a wonderful experience,,, trimming gods gift x blue goo's , the ak-48, and ww(wasn't looking too good oh well)

Also, just learned that flushing in coco is much different than soil. Only a couple day flush is needed or a N deficiency will come on fast. So, what I thought was nute burn, was more likely a N deficiency because I was only feeding every other watering

Anyways, I had enough scissor hash for a bong rip every two plants :stoned:

the pictures tell the story

awaiting the chop..
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ggxbg up close
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the 4 ggxbg's + ak-48
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ggxbg
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[Greenthing]

=greenatik;1928362]Also, just learned that flushing in coco is much different than soil. Only a couple day flush is needed or a N deficiency will come on fast. So, what I thought was nute burn, was more likely a N deficiency because I was only feeding every other watering
Thats very good info Greenatick it will be very usefull in the future thanks.
Your buds look really nice.:thumbsup:

[greenatik]

I really like the idea of a mini sog grow with a lot of dif strains...thats badass i might need to try that one.


Plants look sick and that Good God nug looks absolutely amazing!

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Thanks Bro, :jointsmile::jointsmile: :rasta:

But let me give you my :twocents: on micro soggin. Use the same strain, as you can see in my pics the GGxBG are one big apical cola and if I had 10 of those, instead of assorted strains, I would of yielded probably double. not all strains like being thrown into flower and kept small, and I think that a plant that produces a bunch of nodes (instead of one cola) will produce much less on a micro level. but hey a variety isn't bad either!!! :) guess it depends on what your lookin 4

[greenatik]

Thats very good info Greenatick it will be very usefull in the future thanks.
Your buds look really nice.:thumbsup:

Hey thanks green :) the buds are dense and sticky, finally harvested some dank :D

Yeah, they were showing little signs here and there all the way through but I couldn't pin the problem. then I decided to give them a good week - week 1/2 flush (thinking it might be nuteburn from the koolboom, which has barely any N.) when I should of been feeding them hard right up until a couple days ago

So maybe a product like clearex or a flushing agent would be a good idea with coco for a short but full flush.?!?

Well, forgot to mention that all said harvested were only in flower 38 full days from clone

:hippy:

[Greenthing]

Hey thanks green :) So maybe a product like clearex or a flushing agent would be a good idea with coco for a short but full flush.?!?
Well, forgot to mention that all said harvested were only in flower 38 full days from clone:hippy:
Thanks again for even more info, 38 days thats great.
Time for you sit back and enjoy the fruits of your labour now enjoy.:rastasmoke:

[greenatik]

well ive been doing a lot of reading and came across an AMAZING post/article from a really good grower over at garden's cure. seem's as if I was off in a few areas this grow and still have lots of improvement in my feeding schedule

Anyone interested in coco should read this seriously

"Being an experimented grower, you can use almost any hydro formula for growing in coco. You need to be aware of coco special caracteristic and adapt ph/EC of the nutes you use acording to it.

Caco main caracteristic wich does it different to most other hydro media is its very high CEC (Cation Exchange Capacity), from 7 to 20x higher than perlite, rockwool, hydroton, etc. This mean coco may store very large amounts of nutes that are uptaked as cations: micros, Ca, K, Mg.

Practical consecuances of that are:

-You need to use higher ECs at the start in order to load the medium with enough nutes, or plants seems undernuted. Most especific coco formulas have higher percentage of N and Ca. So if you use a non especific for coco nutes, try to add a plus of the most veg formula (high on N) during first 3 weeks.

-You need to keep cations balanced in the media. Its accomplished by knowing your nute profile and using a ph management according to it: ph below 5.8 achieves higher Ca uptake and lower Mg uptake, thus you reduce the Ca stored in the coco and increses Mg. By using ph over 5.8, you achieve the inverse. Keeping balanced the amounts of Ca and Mg in coco is the key to heve the best yields and avoid problems. And more important, it allows you to not flush until preharvest. Coco dont react well to flushing, as growing in it is based in its high CEC. Anyway, after any flush in coco you should water feed inmediatelly after, or you have an N deff pretty fast. Aditionally, flushing have little impact on cations, as they are electrically bonded to coco colloids.

-There are two basic school of growing in coco. One based on using a similar nute profile and ph management than with other hydro media, and wich requires often flushing, and other based on different nute profile and especific coco ph management without flushing. First one is easier, especially for those growers with previous hydro experience, but get lower yield, its pricey (often res changes, especially problematic when water quality is a concern) and often is playing on the edge of salts lock out (mostly, excess Ca stored, wich difficulties Mg and K uptake), and usually requires supplementing with Epsom salts to avoid Mg deff.

One way of avoiding problems if you are going to use a non coco especific nutes is by prebuffering the coco with a CalMg solution before use (its the procedure with Canna Crog slabs) and then use nutes soft on Ca and Mg, adjusting ph depending of plants behavior (Mg starting deff showing, raise ph; starting Ca deff, low ph).

So you can use any hydro nute formula, but it will require a longer learning curve to get the best of it. While coco especific nutes are very easy to use. The canna coco line is really forgiven, although it tends to produce plants at harvest too green in my like if you follow strickly their schedule. Ive found some tips to avoid it, as using the A and B in different proportions. The Hesi line is easier to use (just one bottle), is a bit more balanced (less N) but bottles last less.

There was an excelent phrase: "feed the medium, not the plant" for organic growers wich is pretty accurate for growing in coco. Keep balanced the coco and all goes smooth. And the key is ph management, rather than flushing. Flushing is only adecuate when the balance is severely broken.

Other issue to be aware of when growing in coco is the water quality. Relatively low Na (sodium) content may be a serious problem as it tends to accumulate and reduce colloids avalaible for Ca, Mg and K. And high Ca content must be compensated on the nute profile. Its more difficult using hard water in coco than with any other hydro media.

With a automatized watering systems, adding about 25-30% perlite enhance perfomance, IMHO. But when handwatering sparsely, its not needed and you can use coco alone with excelent results. The way of watering affects too to the ph management. With sparse waterings, the media shift its ph as water evaporates and get uptaked, so you can use starting higher ph than with dayly waterings.

Due the high CEC, ph and EC of run off may be very misleading, and it shouldnt be used as reference. Adjust the watering solution and forget the run off, as its figures may be way higher than those measured on other medias and still its working perfect.

Ph range is coco when growing hydro style is similar to other hydro mediums, although is needed to use a low ph (below 5,8) during longer time than with the others. The center of the range is around 5,8: 5.5-6.1 or a wider 5.3-6.3. Although its possible to use a another ph range, more similar to soil, with decent results, centered around 6.3. This range have just a problem with some micros uptake, but as far as you use nutes with chelated micros, its less of a problem.

I like especially growing in coco on a e&f table, as you flush possible salts build up with each flood, but without leaching nutes. Its very adecuate for coco growing due the way lower pot size requeriments when using coco.

Whatever the style of growing, ph range and nutes you choose, ill try to follow you and offer some tips for a faster learning curve."

[Greenthing]

That is very good and informative info Greenatic, your a star man:thumbsup:

[hydrocannabis]

wow they look kick ass. nice!

got a qustion for ya. when ur clones and seedlings were 2 weeks old or 2 weeks in the coco how many times did U have to water them. and when did U give them ferts.


my 4 seedlings R 2 around weeks old. want to know now much and how often I needed to be watering them.
I'll post new pix of them in my gro log laer to day.

thanks for some help on this.


very very very very nice gro. and I love to have a good variety of weed.
have a good one.:thumbsup:

[greenatik]

Watering depends on the type of coco and its drainage properties. When its dry water it, but try to not let it get too dry. Also depends on the pot size smaller pots like my gatorade bottles need to be watered more frequently. with that said, my seedlings got watered once a day at the least, and in full flower less then twice a day would be suicide for yield and the plants don't look too good

for the nutes you should already be feeding them or have already fed them. veg nutes every day every watering (strength appropriate for their size). when you flush, once a week or two, flush then nute immediately after or you will see deficiencies.

coco is an unusual medium, and I feel that everyday I learn a little trick or a better way to do something. its something you will just get a feel for, its not soil, and its not fully hydro, its somewhere in between. after reading that article, my next run will be HESI or CANNA nutes exclusively - so I can follow their coco feeding chart and try to avoid N, CA/MG deficiencies easily

[greenatik]

Well time to follow up on some weights

I will post some bud shots real soon :jointsmile: The last plant got chopped yesterday, The Chronic, day 49. Half of it is hang drying half of it is water curing, so we'll see how that turns out

Yield was just O.K. But I couldn't of asked for better with the variety of strains and flowering straight from clone. They could of gotten 5-6 inches taller

God's Gift Blue Goo
23.3 G

Purple Erkle
5.9 G

Good God (runt)
4.0 G

WW
9.2 G

"Frosty" The Bagseed
7.3

AK48
6.1

Puts me at currently 1.99 OZ

Peace :hippy:

[greenatik]

hey whats up peeps hope you all enjoy the budshots!

the quality of the buds is superb and the high is unreal!

*remember* - the pics are high quality and big :rasta:

chronic (the best) - haven't tried much but the one bowl gave me a very unusual energetic high. lots of sativa influences
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purple erkle - definitely one of my favorites. got quite a few seeds. the high is strong and a quick hitter
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"frosty" the bagseed - real potent smell, has a nice average high and the buds have good bag appeal
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ak-48 - super fruity smells like thc frosted green apples
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[greenatik]

gods gift x blue goo - favorite strain of all time. the high is unique and the buds are amazing to look at. pink and purple hairs common and frosty is an understatement. they grow vigorously and single-cola-like every time
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white widow - not bad but needs more curing then the rest, still smells like hay and vegetables. strong high but it needs a full cure to give this a real review
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good god - imagine the smell of a bag of kief mixed with welchs grape juice. insane smell and bag appeal but boring high, like many purps
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da chronic again :food10:
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On a side note; the water curing was a success they are drying at the moment. they were under water a total of 5 1/2 days. can't wait to try the chronic side by side water vs. air cure

[Greenthing]

Hey Greenatik.
Those buds are mouth watering and delicious.:thumbsup:
I bet you have been well and truely stoned lately.:jointsmile:
Keep up the good work, when do you expect to start your next grow log.:D

[killa12345]

Awesome show greenatik.....what a wonderful assortment of dank!.....2 thumb up :thumbsup:

[greenatik]

hey green, not sure when the next grow is going down, most likely not for a while until after I move. but whenever I do it should be a good one, Gods gift blue goo and coco again
and yes I have been truely stoned lol. got 15 g's of kief from the outdoor trim so every bowl has been topped off with the goodness

hey killa! i really underestimated how awesome the variety would be, even on this mini level :rasta: never smokin the same dank hehe

[Greenthing]

hey green, not sure when the next grow is going down, most likely not for a while until after I move. but whenever I do it should be a good one, Gods gift blue goo and coco again
and yes I have been truely stoned lol. got 15 g's of kief from the outdoor trim so every bowl has been topped off with the goodness

I will be lurking on your next one mate.
Enjoy the fruits of your harvest, happy days :jointsmile:

[hydrocannabis]

waup greentik. they r looken great.

I hope my coco plants turn out as good looken as yrs did.
I am thinking that I might put thrm in flower soon.

this grow was so dam fun to watch that it got me to thinking about growing in a way new and different style of growing.

so I can maybe get a harvest around every 30-50 days or so. from taking clones in the coco from veg to flower 1 week after they have rooted.

anyway have a good one. and cant wate to see ur next grow.

[greenatik]

I will be lurking on your next one mate.
Enjoy the fruits of your harvest, happy days :jointsmile:


waup greentik. they r looken great.

I hope my coco plants turn out as good looken as yrs did.
I am thinking that I might put thrm in flower soon.

this grow was so dam fun to watch that it got me to thinking about growing in a way new and different style of growing.

so I can maybe get a harvest around every 30-50 days or so. from taking clones in the coco from veg to flower 1 week after they have rooted.

anyway have a good one. and cant wate to see ur next grow.


Hey thanks mates this log wouldn't of been much without you guys so I appreciate following me through this one. I can't wait to get a new grow underway I already have it all planned out but tis' not the time!

hydro - go to ICMAG, check out their micro section on the forums... there's someone there that goes by the name Dr Green Bud... harvests 3 plants a week a total of 144 flowering (size of a dresser). truly a genius when it comes to CFLs and the SOG method

*WATER CURE RESULTS*

Ok, so no pics just yet, but the water curing turned out awesome! It smells extraordinary and the high is noticeably stronger to the air cured. Lost more weight for sure, but it might be a price well paid considering the health aspects. my water was dirty as fuck, and I really don't wanna be smoking all that... just give me the green please!

And, the buds don't look that bad! Everything I read said that the buds will be damaged and lose their bag appeal. but if you put the bud in some light just like any other bud, it glimmers with frost... just a tad darker due to the loss of chlorophyll

Well, that's it for now :rasta:

[lunarose]

Greenatik,
They look great I love your little foam house. Where did you find the 50 watt cfls? I haven't been able to find them. Also what size are the containers you're growing them in?

[greenatik]

hey luna thanks for stopping in,,

those are actually 42 watts sorry for the confusion :thumbsup: and the containers are 20 oz gatorade bottles