I HAVE a Dream pt2

[eg420ne]

....:thumbsup:

YouTube - 2008 DNC: Barack Obama 'Eight Is Enough' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khGWPIZnTNI)
YouTube - 2008 DNC: Barack Obama 'We Are Better' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9O5u2lrZ8co)
YouTube - 2008 DNC: Barack Obama 'McCain Doesn't Care' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCTpxFPR7FQ)

[painretreat]

I had a dream Pt # 1 was much better! PR

[Garrett]

Man he did a great speech though, well done Obama :clap:

[khronik]

I had to say, I was looking forward to this speech because I knew it would have to be one of the best of his career. It really was. Regardless of whether you like his policies, you have to admit it would be nice to have a president who can be this inspirational for a change.

[8182KSKUSH]

Considering the audience he was speaking to, he did a good job.
I wonder what exactly he has inspired anyone to do?
He inspired me to vote for McCain.
He inspired 80k people to clap and cheer, and repeat bumper sticker slogans, such as "8 is enough".
Lots of people can give inspirational speeches, that is hardly a qualification to be president of the U.S.
Just ask his vp, or Hillary Clinton, or Bill Clinton for that matter.
(If you could have asked them 6 days ago anyway!):thumbsup:
I saw a trainer at Sea World that could do the same thing with sea lions. The sea lions just can't repeat catchy slogans that rhyme. It's not there fault though.:jointsmile:
45 years from now I doubt that you will be able to look back on his speech tonight and say anything more than "oh, that was the first black presidential candidate."
Comparing this speech to MLK's "I Have a Dream" is horrific and an insult. His speech tonight will not have 1/100000000 the impact on Americans as did MLK's. JMHO.

[8182KSKUSH]

Talk about more of the same! What a joke.

[painretreat]

:jointsmile:I think the content was there. Delivery??

I believe the delivery was lacking and had me nod off for a bit! His normal enthusiam and energy seemed lacking. I would have liked to have seen some bumping and grinding and some hip hop'rs join on the stage in the end and a real blast, from the candidates (families) and the stadium! I needed the enthusiam to come thru my TV. It did not move me! And I did not medicate either!

I needed to see his enthusiam to get it myself. Dancing on stage, whatever it takes, unable to stop smiling!

Will watch RNC next week. I fig. Mic R. will be run for V.P. and if that happens or Huckaby: well, I liked them and most of their policy thinking, except women's rights! I realize that is not a man issue, but when men drop the 'good ole boys club' maybe women will not be second class citizen's in this nation, anymore! It makes no diff. if Pres is female or male--it takes ERA action and Roe vs. Wade re-instatement! :jointsmile:

He did not seem as comfortable on stage at times!

[Reefer Rogue]

Great speech, great man.

YouTube - Barack Obama at the 2008 DNC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZCrIeRkMhA&feature=user)

Enough is enough.

[Bong30]

Mile high, inch deep.....thats Nobama

Im just glad the dems are gone...


Take his voting record, and look at south chicago..His Ideas DONT work.

Why didnt he bring up his Black Liberation Theology? He has been studing it for 20 years now.


Great speech.....Im glad he is good at that.

Didnt it kinda remind you of Blind fallowing of Hitler at Neuremburg?

[allrollsin21]

more Hitler references, from scared republicans...lol

I thought his speech was content filled. So what if he did not say "New" things that have not been said on the campaign trail. Its a long trail, he has said a lot.

I understand that giving a great speech is not a qualification for being a president, but is being a bumbling, speaking disabled, reader of other peoples speeches a disqualification?

I am sure excited to see McCain get up there at the RNC in his monotone and inspire nobody.

Here's to hoping his speech does not have the impact that MLK's speech had. I sure don't want too many racist redneck's to be gunning for the next president!:thumbsup:

[daihashi]

more Hitler references, from scared republicans...lol

I thought his speech was content filled. So what if he did not say "New" things that have not been said on the campaign trail. Its a long trail, he has said a lot.

Really, so I guess that they kept talking about change, change change but no direct insight as to what "change" will take place. Honestly his campaign slogan of hope and change have got to be both the best idea and worst idea ever. Best idea because it is so vague and something no one is going to say they don't want "No I don't want any hope.. No I don't want any promising changes to the future". It is so good in fact that he has recruited countless people on this mantra alone. Ask your average person on the street what Obama is going to change or some of his legislative achievements and 7/10 won't be able to give you a legitimate answer.

I am not saying McCain supporters will be able to either, though I suspect it would be easier for them then it would be Obama supporters just for the number of years in politics alone. Point being is that just because you have a crowd reitterating what you said doesn't mean that you have content.


I understand that giving a great speech is not a qualification for being a president, but is being a bumbling, speaking disabled, reader of other peoples speeches a disqualification?

No, being able to give a speech is neither a qualifier or dequalification in my eyes. I look at candidates histories. I feel this gives better insight than any BS that might spew out of their mouths. Transcripts and voting records don't lie.


I am sure excited to see McCain get up there at the RNC in his monotone and inspire nobody.

People are so hung up on "being inspired". You know what, I don't need someone to inspire me, I need someone to take care of business. To take charge and be able to make the hard decisions that WE are going to hate him for, but have to be done. That's who I want in the white house and Obama simply doesn't fit the bill.

If you want to be inspired I suggest you go see a motivational speaker. Hell, maybe we should put up a motivational speaker. I bet he would be able to do just as well as Obama.



Here's to hoping his speech does not have the impact that MLK's speech had. I sure don't want too many racist redneck's to be gunning for the next president!:thumbsup:

Sigh.. i can't believe you would even say that. In a way this statement was racist in itself. Good job laying down a stereotype and categorizing all people that are "rednecks", as you say, as being racist. That was very kind of you. :hippy:

[daihashi]

Great speech.....Im glad he is good at that.

Didnt it kinda remind you of Blind fallowing of Hitler at Neuremburg?

I am no Obama supporter but this is really stretching it and disrespectful in general. I would chastise anyone who compared another candidate to Hitler. I don't feel anyone can compare to the amount of damage and chaos that man unleashed onto the world.

I was appalled when Madonna did it to McCain and am disgusted when I hear people compare Obama to hitler as well.

Unless his speech discussed world domination and genocide of a race of people then I'd have to say he is nothing like Hitler.

[khronik]

Really, so I guess that they kept talking about change, change change but no direct insight as to what "change" will take place. Honestly his campaign slogan of hope and change have got to be both the best idea and worst idea ever. Best idea because it is so vague and something no one is going to say they don't want "No I don't want any hope.. No I don't want any promising changes to the future". It is so good in fact that he has recruited countless people on this mantra alone. Ask your average person on the street what Obama is going to change or some of his legislative achievements and 7/10 won't be able to give you a legitimate answer.
That's one of the things his speech touched on, he gave a bunch of specifics last night. Maybe you should watch it before commenting?


I am not saying McCain supporters will be able to either, though I suspect it would be easier for them then it would be Obama supporters just for the number of years in politics alone. Point being is that just because you have a crowd reitterating what you said doesn't mean that you have content.
Oh, Obama has some dumb supporters alright, but so does McCain. Honestly, I liked Obama more earlier in 2007, when he was talking to the more intelligent crowd. Now his message is broader, but shorter on specifics.


No, being able to give a speech is neither a qualifier or dequalification in my eyes. I look at candidates histories. I feel this gives better insight than any BS that might spew out of their mouths. Transcripts and voting records don't lie.
You know how John Kerry was "the most liberal Senator" in 2004 and now Obama has the same label in 2008? There's a reason for that. Kerry and Obama were both campaigning, and missed a lot of senate votes. Because they typically only made it a point to show up for the bills that the senate was divided on, they did not vote on the more bipartisan bills that would pass with or without their support. Hence, the "most liberal senator" label.


People are so hung up on "being inspired". You know what, I don't need someone to inspire me, I need someone to take care of business. To take charge and be able to make the hard decisions that WE are going to hate him for, but have to be done. That's who I want in the white house and Obama simply doesn't fit the bill.
One person can only do so much. But if he can inspire hundreds of thousands of people to get on board and help, many more problems can be solved.


Sigh.. i can't believe you would even say that. In a way this statement was racist in itself. Good job laying down a stereotype and categorizing all people that are "rednecks", as you say, as being racist. That was very kind of you. :hippy:
He wasn't referring to all rednecks, just the racist ones. And I hope he manages to survive a presidency as well. It won't be long before someone with a few screws loose upstairs decides Obama is the antichrist and that God is sending him on a mission to destroy said beast. To be honest, my heart skipped a beat when I was watching Obama's DNC speech and I heard the fireworks go off.

[8182KSKUSH]

That's one of the things his speech touched on, he gave a bunch of specifics last night. Maybe you should watch it before commenting?

uh huh? so go ahead and list 5 specific things he said. you know not what he "wants" to do, but "how" he will do it.



Now his message is broader, but shorter on specifics.

oh! nevermnd about the specifics then! soo which is it?
LMFAO!

Spoken like a true Obama worshipper!:thumbsup:

[8182KSKUSH]

:jointsmile:I think the content was there. Delivery??


Will watch RNC next week. I fig. Mic R. will be run for V.P. and if that happens or Huckaby: well, I liked them and most of their policy thinking, except women's rights! I realize that is not a man issue, but when men drop the 'good ole boys club' maybe women will not be second class citizen's in this nation, anymore! It makes no diff. if Pres is female or male--it takes ERA action and Roe vs. Wade re-instatement! :jointsmile:

He did not seem as comfortable on stage at times!

Well, maybe ol' Johnny boy is a member here and read your post last night! LOL!
As for watching the RNC, of course I will be as well, JUST LIKE I DID THE DNC, but I am not expecting it to be all that exciting either to be real honest.
He did not seem like himself. It made me wonder what was going on behind the scenes.:wtf:

[khronik]

uh huh? so go ahead and list 5 specific things he said. you know not what he "wants" to do, but "how" he will do it.
Watch the speech yourself. He talked about tax cuts for certain segments of the middle class, and said that taxes will not go up for 95% of Americans. He also talked about eliminating our dependence on middle eastern oil in ten years, although that isn't as hard as it sounds since our largest supplier of oil is Canada. But really, watch the speech yourself.


oh! nevermnd about the specifics then! soo which is it?
LMFAO!

Spoken like a true Obama worshipper!:thumbsup:
Yeah... :wtf:

I said he's shorter on specifics than he was in 2007, not that he isn't specific at all anymore. But of course, you can only think in black and white. Spoken like a true Republican. :thumbsup:

[allrollsin21]

It would be George Bush Stupid for Obama to have gotten on stage and outlined his specific moves to enact his change. Do you think the public or the people sitting in their seats for hours would have enjoyed or benefited from that? Hardly. He has two months to outline these things. There is a time and place. He gave one of the greatest speeches any generation has ever heard. Respect Due.
Content.
Less taxes for 95% of the population.
Increased taxes for the top 5% wealthiest.
Tax breaks for companies that create jobs in America
Increased Taxes for companies that send jobs overseas
Same health care coverage for you and I that John McCain has had Us pay for, for him...
Energy independent in 10 Years...CLEAN!

So ya'll wanted him to present a powerpoint presentation with graphs and lots of math. Right...that would not have been a great idea.

Not being able to speak or give speeches very well should have been a disqualification for becoming president. That way we would not be in Iraq, and could have spent the Billions of dollars we are spending there on developing our own national clean energy infrastructure. YOU WERE ALL LIED TO. By a bumbling idiot who's most important moment in office, according to him, was catching a Bass in a lake.

"To take charge and be able to make the hard decisions that WE are going to hate him for, but have to be done. That's who I want in the white house and Obama simply doesn't fit the bill."
Did GW fit the bill? Is killing civilians in a foreign country what you mean by"have to be done"? What has he done that had to be done? What has McCain done that HAD to be done?

"Sigh.. i can't believe you would even say that. In a way this statement was racist in itself. Good job laying down a stereotype and categorizing all people that are "rednecks", as you say, as being racist. That was very kind of you. "

Who said all rednecks were rascist? NOT ME. Are you disputing that Racist rednecks exist in this country? I was pointing out that i hope Obama remains safe from them. Is that OK?

I have read three Hitler references in a week from republicans on this forum. Really folks? Is this just blatant ignorance of the past or scare tactics learned from the current administration. Watch out were on level RED...we need immunity to listen in on American's phone conversations....A JOKE! The patriot act is a disgrace to the Republican party and all Republicans

[daihashi]

uh huh? so go ahead and list 5 specific things he said. you know not what he "wants" to do, but "how" he will do it.



oh! nevermnd about the specifics then! soo which is it?
LMFAO!

Spoken like a true Obama worshipper!:thumbsup:

Thank you.. :thumbsup:

[Reefer Rogue]

If you say he didn't list specifics you didn't watch the speech. I look forward to McCain's speech, i doubt he will compare.

[8182KSKUSH]

If you say he didn't list specifics you didn't watch the speech. I look forward to McCain's speech, i doubt he will compare.


Really, I watched it now multiple times. I hear alot of "I want, I know, I will, ect..."
I have yet to hear HOW?
That's intentional on his part. Obviously he would need to dumb things down for the kool aid drinkers in attendance I guess?

I would also like to know what specifically in his speech is going to have any significant impact on America say 45 years from now. The answer, nothing.

I would like to know whom he defines as "middle class", it's also worth pointing out, the top 3% of income earners in the U.S., pay 97% of all the income taxes. So apparently they aren't paying their fair share huh? OK.:thumbsup:

I think as far as Obama's safety is concerned, you should worry about the racists in the Dixiecrat, oh I mean Democrat party.
I wonder what libs will do when Bush is gone and completely out of the picture. How will they respond to the tough questions when they can't invoke what they percieve as the "evils of Bush" in any debate no matter the topic.
Oh, there I go again assuming the people that do this now would even comprehend that doing so is completely out of a position of weakness, of course they will just keep doing it! Silly me!:D

[allrollsin21]

""""I would also like to know what specifically in his speech is going to have any significant impact on America say 45 years from now. The answer, nothing.

I would like to know whom he defines as "middle class", it's also worth pointing out, the top 3% of income earners in the U.S., pay 97% of all the income taxes. So apparently they aren't paying their fair share huh? OK.

I think as far as Obama's safety is concerned, you should worry about the racists in the Dixiecrat, oh I mean Democrat party.
I wonder what libs will do when Bush is gone and completely out of the picture. How will they respond to the tough questions when they can't invoke what they percieve as the "evils of Bush" in any debate no matter the topic.
Oh, there I go again assuming the people that do this now would even comprehend that doing so is completely out of a position of weakness, of course they will just keep doing it! Silly me!""""""

I agree with the last sentence in this above post.:thumbsup:
First of all, it was a speech, its what comes after the speech that will have an impact on the US in 45 years. Until he is elected he cannot create more jobs in the United States, sending more children to college..etc etc. So not really sure what you are saying.?

Since numbers are being used to draw conclusions, we would need more info to make a reasonable conclusion. Like what percentage of total income earned in the United States are these 3% earning? That may give an idea as to why they are carrying the majority of the burden.

As far as wondering about perceived evils of Bush...that is not an original method of avoiding the facts i laid out. Commonly seen avoidance technique. They teach that one on the Fox News Channel.:thumbsup:

[rebgirl420]

Yes liberals and dems, blame Bush! Still! He's a lame duck president but make sure everyone focuses on how "stupid" he is (b/c apparently graduating at Yale isn't enough or I guess mispronouncing words makes you an idiot).

It's funny how they live in the past instead on focusing on the current issues.

And how about this DNC shit? The Dems bitch and moan about how poor people are and how bad people have it yet are okay with blowing millions on a convention where nearly no issues are brought up, only celebrities and singers and empty slogans.

[Bong30]

Come on people....

Im not saying Nobama Is hitler...he isnt

My comment is on the people. Opara, "cried her eyes out" PLease.....

Its seams they are in a trance....

Outdoor stadium....Blind fallowers.....Great public speaker, Bad ideas, People hinged on evey non substantive word......

seams like Neuremburg to me.......:thumbsup:


But Nobama wont kill 6 millon Jews.....if he lets Iran get nukes.... maybe he will, in around about way???????????????????

[daihashi]

Come on people....

Im not saying Nobama Is hitler...he isnt

My comment is on the people. Opara, "cried her eyes out" PLease.....

Its seams they are in a trance....

Outdoor stadium....Blind fallowers.....Great public speaker, Bad ideas, People hinged on evey non substantive word......

seams like Neuremburg to me.......:thumbsup:


But Nobama wont kill 6 millon Jews.....if he lets Iran get nukes.... maybe he will, in around about way???????????????????

This I agree with completely.. People are in a euphoric type trance that I just can't seem to understand over Obama.

I had thought it over throughout the day and thought I was being to critical of you. I meant to come back in here and apologize. I realize in retrospect that you were simply comparing the brainwashed following in that era as you saw it in the DNC.

My apologies sir.

[khronik]

it's also worth pointing out, the top 3% of income earners in the U.S., pay 97% of all the income taxes. So apparently they aren't paying their fair share huh? OK.:thumbsup:
Also, did you know that 87% of statistics are made up on the spot? Anyway, the top 5% pays about 58% of the income tax, so you're not even close. Keep in mind, I got this from a very conservative source:

Hoover Institution - Facts on Policy - Income Tax Distribution (http://www.hoover.org/research/factsonpolicy/facts/6771827.html)

[Bong30]

This I agree with completely.. People are in a euphoric type trance that I just can't seem to understand over Obama.

I had thought it over throughout the day and thought I was being to critical of you. I meant to come back in here and apologize. I realize in retrospect that you were simply comparing the brainwashed following in that era as you saw it in the DNC.

My apologies sir.


Thanks Daihashi,
Apologie accepted, It Takes a Man to say sorry.

Peace

[8182KSKUSH]

Also, did you know that 87% of statistics are made up on the spot? Anyway, the top 5% pays about 58% of the income tax, so you're not even close. Keep in mind, I got this from a very conservative source:

Hoover Institution - Facts on Policy - Income Tax Distribution (http://www.hoover.org/research/factsonpolicy/facts/6771827.html)

Ouch! Don't know where I got that? But you are spot on thank you for correcting me. In my mind I was visualizing a pie chart I had seen, must have not remembered it correctly.


The top 1% pay over a third, 34.27% of all income taxes.
The top 5% pay 54.36% of all income taxes .

The top 1% earns 16.77% of all income The top 5% earns 31.18% of all the income
So the question remains, are you telling me that these people are not paying their fair share, and that they need to pay more? Really?
Proportionally the top 10% of income earners pay WAY FUCKING MORE THAN THEIR FAIR SHARE. That was my original point. And Obama is going to make them PAY MORE! Really!
So the top 5% earns roughly 1/3 of all income, and pay over 1/2 of all income taxes and that's not enough? While the bottom 50% earns roughly 15% of all income and pay about 3% of all income taxes? Whose not paying their fair share here?
Again thanks for bringing my error to attention so I have the chance to go back and get more detailed info!

[allrollsin21]

you realize the bottom fifty% are the ones you hear of in foreclosures and struggling to pay off loans with their children's very small college funds. Do you think Taxes should be increased for these people? Or should everything stay the same regarding taxes?

Reb i agree that the flagrant waste of money at this DNC is a disgrace. As will be the same at the RNC.

For you to assume someones intelligence because they attend Yale is nonsense. He is a BUSH and could go to whatever school his daddy chose.
True story my Uncle attended Yale and graduated the same year as Bush. My uncle who is a Republican, has told me many times that he strongly disliked George W Bush because he was a well known bully on campus. Spoke down to fellow students of less means, and actually would "rough up" other students with the help of his nearly hired goons. Some things never change

[8182KSKUSH]

you realize the bottom fifty% are the ones you hear of in foreclosures and struggling to pay off loans with their children's very small college funds. Do you think Taxes should be increased for these people? Or should everything stay the same regarding taxes?


So let me get this straight.
The bottom 50% of all income earners, are ALL IN FORECLOSURE? Really? And if they aren't then they are "struggling" for some other reason, that's totally not their fault, and is only due to the "rich bastards that keep all the money for themselves?"
Is that what you are saying?
You realize that when you hear of foreclosures "up 100%" what you don't hear is that they are up from 3%, TO 6%.

NO TAXES SHOULD NOT BE INCREASED FOR ANYONE! PERIOD.
My point was simply that libs like to talk about what is "FAIR" in regards to taxes. I was merely pointing out that the very top income earners pay WAY FUCKING MORE THAN THEIR FAIR SHARE ALREADY AND THAT THEY ARE THE LAST PEOPLE THAT NEED TO PAY MORE AS YOUR LEADER/GOD ADVOCATES IN THE INTRESTS OF "FAIRNESS".

The problem he has is that he wants to tax more, spend more, and then tax more. The liberal left has already demonized anyone that actually makes alot of money, so of course they can justify to the drooling masses that it's ok to take even more money from them.
If anything the top 10% need to have their rates lowered.
It has already been proven that this would in fact INCREASE tax revenue. I know, I know, "but how, no you are wrong, blah blah blah," however that is already a matter of fact and has in fact already happened. If you really want to understand how that works then by all means, educate yourself.:thumbsup:

[allrollsin21]

"you realize the bottom fifty% are the ones you hear of in foreclosures and struggling to pay off loans with their children's very small college funds." I say

"So let me get this straight.
The bottom 50% of all income earners, are ALL IN FORECLOSURE?" Kush quotes me as saying.

This is what is referred to as a misquote.
Not worth my effort.

[8182KSKUSH]

you realize the bottom fifty% are the ones you hear of in foreclosures and struggling to pay off loans with their children's very small college funds.

No, that is what you said, ver batum.


"you realize the bottom fifty% are the ones you hear of in foreclosures and struggling to pay off loans with their children's very small college funds." I say

"So let me get this straight.
The bottom 50% of all income earners, are ALL IN FORECLOSURE?" Kush quotes me as saying.

This is what is referred to as a misquote.
Not worth my effort.

I was simply trying to confirm that I read your post correctly. Apparently I did.:thumbsup:

[khronik]

Actually, I agree that rich people are already paying more than their share of income taxes. But the fact remains that raising income taxes on middle class/poor people hurts the economy more than taxing the rich.

There are three major types of taxes that are levied on the people, sales tax, income tax, and property tax. Sales tax disproportionately affects the poor, so getting all tax money from that is a bad idea. Property tax affects the middle class disproportionately, because middle class families typically have most of their wealth tied up in their houses. And of course, income tax affects the rich disproportionately. The federal government gets most of their money from income tax, so it may seem like they're being terribly unfair to the rich, but state taxes typically hit the middle class and poor harder.

[allrollsin21]

Your trying to pick useless fights KUSH.

"The bottom fifty% are the ones you hear of in foreclosures" me said

he bottom 50% of all income earners, are ALL IN FORECLOSURE?" Kush continues to misquote.

You seem to like to pick numbers out of the sky and this is the second time misquoting the same line. I spelled the difference out above. I can't have a discussion with someone who gets literally blinded by their rage, that they can't read the words i am spelling out on the page. I mean what i write not what you DECLARE i write. Civility has been lost. moving on.