could u lose your home

[erky]

if old bill found my mates 2x600w set up is there a chance they
could they say the proffits from the grow pay your morgage and he loses his house.

[trancefusion5]

Yeah this is a good question! Ive heard they can take your house for growing but would they really do it for a few plants? And if not for a few plants then where is the line? I can totaly see them taking an entire grow house cuz they do it all the time but i dont know about a few plants. Anyone?

[Blackjacksmoke]

Mt Shasta, Nov 2006 - Siskiyou sheriffs raid home of Ron Hennig, find 44-plant indoor garden for four patients. Henning indicted by state grand jury, while feds file for forfeiture of his 40-acre property that he has owned for 30 years.

All for 44 plants..? How do you get busted for 44 plants? THis guy must have wrote his congressman...

I'm still trying to find out information about this.. It's been 2 years, and there is nothing from google or Shasta Harold..

[Psycho4Bud]

Seizure and Loss of Assets
If you are convicted, or in many cases merely arrested, for engaging in a marijuana crime, the government may try to take any and all property that has been used to "facilitate" your crime. This seizure is legal under various "forfeiture laws that have been enacted the last seven years. In California alone, more than $ 180,000,000 worth of assets have been seized under the state forfeiture law since it went into effect in 1989. In fact, you may have seen the advertisements for auctions at which drug dealers' cars, boats, and homes are sold.

There's no question that police officers are highly motivated to initiate forfeiture proceedings. In some states, law enforcement agencies are permitted to use seized assets and property to fund and implement future drug investigaons. In fact, the federal government openly encourages forfeiture actions by ointing out to federal and state police agencies how seized property can benefit ie agency. For example, one recent government manual on forfeiture published y the Department of Justice counseled:
The seizure of a boat valued at six figures that was purchased as a result of illegal narcotics profiteering can certainly ease the strain of tight government budgets and increase the availability of "buy" or "flash" money .... Asset forfeiture can be a financial benefit to all levels of government if the illicit assets are converted to funds that benefit the law-enforcement community. (US DOJ, Asset Forfeiture "Public Record and other information on Hidden Assets, 2nd in a series, p. 1, reprinted January 1992.)
Marijuana (http://www.marijuanahydro.com/marijuanafederallaw.html)

Looks like they can under federal law. IF there is a revision to this I'd sure like to see it.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[killerweed420]

Yeah the feds are using the forfeiture law in Humboldt County right now. The truely horrible thing is there is no real court process to confiscate someones property. All they have to do is say the property was paid for with drug sales. In N.Cali they haven't even charged people yet and they are already seizing property.
Here's an interesting link.
hxxp://dockets.justia.com/browse/state-california/court-candce/noscat-7/nos-625/

[the image reaper]

Killerweed has it right ... unbelievably, they actually manage to seize, and sell, your property, BEFORE you are even found guilty in court ... ya can't get more bogus than that :mad:

[8182KSKUSH]

Here in Cali, it's a money grab.
I always lmao when I hear someone make the case that cannabis should be legal by saying that it "costs" the fed gov. x amount of dollars ect....
The flip side of that is they actually make money when you figure in all seizures ect....
I suspect that this is going to escalate in the coming years as the DEA fears that the fed may resched. cannabis, thereby cutting off an easy stream of income for them. Think about it, the cash, cars, homes, misc property, it's all money for them. It's low hanging fruit, the easiest people to take advantage of are those involved in MMJ, they operate "in good faith" for the most part, hoping that the fed will not get to them I guess. As for now, there are so fucking many dispensaries that the fed has a guaranteed income for the foreseeable future. They will never run out of "targets", and anyone caught up in it is shit outta luck. One of the many unintended consequences of MMJ laws. I believe there are many people that had only the best of intentions that are now fuct! For no other reason than they believed they were "operating under the law". Fact is federal DOES trump state law where the fed has jurisdiction, (i.e. cannabis as per the FDA scheduling it as a class 1 narcotic.) We could sit here all day and say it's not right, blah blah, but that's the way it is. It's alot easier to bust people operating publicly in the open than it is to bust someone making meth in their garage. "LOW HANGING FRUIT". It's a catch 22, you are actually much safer not being involved with MMJ from the feds, however you have a higher risk with local LEO. Even being in compliance with MMJ, local LEO's will often, (and do) help the feds/DEA as much as they can. So pick your poison I guess, this is why it is so important to have cannabis removed from the schedule, if that were to happen then it would ACTUALLY be up to the states on an individual basis, assuming that it would not be regulated under some other federal bureaucracy. (ATF Perhaps?) Bottom line is if the DEA didn't make money shutting down the clinics out here, then they would not be all over it as they are. It has nothing to do with protecting people, it has everything to do with the fucking dollars. To me this is what is so frustrating with MMJ, 99% of the "patients" that I know, could really care less what happens to clinic operators (outside of posting outrage on a forum), and are more concerned with how far they will have to drive to get some kush. This is just my opinion, but it is from first hand experience.
For example, Healing Nations operator Ronald Naulls is going to trial in Oct I believe, he was charged last July, had literally thousands of patients supporting the clinic, guess how many of those patients he has heard from since he was raided, jailed, had his property taken, auctioned, had his children taken, (3 girls), and almost lost his wife.
I will give you 3 guesses,
the first 2 don't count. Everyday people walked in and out of there happy as hell, very supportive, ect, the day he was raided and since then, he doesn't seem to have very many of those friends now.
I am sorry, I was kind of getting off the subject, but you get the point. Waging war on MMJ, even when they are "losing" is still a money maker for the DEA, I would challenge anyone to prove me wrong. So back to the point, yes they will take anything they can from you for any reason. Despite this I still love my country, I feel proud and fortunate to be an American, and do not have any resentment for the people that have ruined so many lives, because after all, they all have families too, many of them really believe they are doing the right thing, and of course, none of them make the laws that I feel are unjust. I get more angry when I see the dozen or so twenty somethings smoking jays in protest while a dispensary is being raided whilst yelling like ignorant twats while they huddle behind the 1 lady in a wheel chair that is actually truly suffering from a horrible disease. "The token MMJ patient" that is USED by those that are actually bastardizing the MMJ laws. These people do nothing but give ammo to those that oppose MMJ.
I truly hope that if you read this post, you are not angry at me, I am not speaking "hypothetically", I am speaking solely from first hand experience.
I do apologize for ranting, this is just a topic I feel passionately about. The things that I have seen in the last year have convinced me that MMJ laws do not help people that legitimately need cannabis for medicine, nor do they do anything to help the other 97% of the adults that choose to use cannabis for whatever reason they choose to. MMJ laws have made the DEA's job much easier, and have ruined the lives of many involved, while individuals remain content and happy so long as they don't have to find a new place to "get medicine". God forbid, after all the price of gas is pretty high.:mad:
I again apologize for the rant.:mad:

[grow1964]

These forfeiture laws go against the rule of law and thats the main problem in the US nowadays, the rule of law is no longer enforced. Judges are as corrupt as the politicians. For the most part America doesnt care. At least 90% have no clue what is really going on. They just follow the daily dribble spewed by the MSM that tells them what they should think. America and the American dream is a lie and a hoax perpetrated on the American people by big business who now controls everything from the media to the government.

A great example of how it all ties together is this last bill just passed that gives the fed a blank check to bail out freddie and fannie. At a minimum this will cost taxpayers 500 billion. Within 2 weeks of this passing at least 2 congressman were hosting dinners and demanding thousands per plate for thier reelection campaigns. The main attendees were Fannie and freeddie. In the last 10 years alone these 2 companies have donated 200 million to re election campaigns. Just another way for congress to steal money from the people.

[killerweed420]

I truely hope that when the dems get in power that they do something about this and make it retroactive. Over turn the confiscations and have to give everything back. Wishful thinking I know but its what needs to be done to try and make things right.

[8182KSKUSH]

I truely hope that when the dems get in power that they do something about this and make it retroactive. Over turn the confiscations and have to give everything back. Wishful thinking I know but its what needs to be done to try and make things right.


Go ahead and start shitting in your other hand while you wait, the answer is not the "democrats" getting in power. If you hadn't noticed, they controll congress right now, and up until the Bill Clinton years, they controlled congress for about 30 years straight. The cannabis prohibition knows no party lines. Both parties are equally ignorant on this issue. The difference is most democrats are willing to "let you believe" that they would be pro-cannabis, and will not go out of there way to correct that perspective, a la Barack Obama.:wtf: While most republicans won't be deceptive just to gain the votes of an ignorant few.

[flyingimam]

u know this really sucks

this is false advertisement!!!!

From outside, America is the land of the free, from inside that freedom has a gazillion amendments and limitations.

As soon as my life lets me, i'm going to canada or netherlands or spain or portugal or some goddamn hell-hole that they dont send your ass to jail and take your home for buncha plants for personal consumption. go ahead get the "grow houses" but if my house for that matter gets siezed for less plants than fingers of one hand in a 10x10 closet, ill be damn hopeless and disappointed in america and humanity and justice altogether!

and I cant agree more that no party but only the "libertarians" like ron paul would really do anything to change the legal situation. and no I do not support any party at all, i've just given up on politics, the goods never make it and the bads, well they are bad regardless of sides and their covers!

[theforthdrive]

I think everyone should watch the extras on the dvd for american drug war: the last white hope!

American Drug War: The Last White Hope - War on Drugs (http://americandrugwar.com/)

there is an long version of the interview with tommy chong (and his family almost brought me to tears and I dont cry!). He says that during the raid federal officers were ran sacking his house and one said we got it! and what he was referring to was 20K in cash. Not a link to the company they wanted to shut down...not pounds of grass. But cold hard american currency. even thou it would be easy to prove that an actor at chong's level could make 20k in an afternoon... it doesnt matter! they are a legal form of the mob. if they want it, they take. come on, did anyone find the movie training day far fetched? I didnt!

I personally know a kid that was doing about 120mph in his car... yes, hes dumb. he got pulled over. he is a rich foreign national that was afraid that his visa would be rejected. he handed his paperwork to the cop with 2K in plain site. The pig came back handed him his paperwork, never said a word and left! you're kidding yourself if you think that cops dont buy their kids Christmas gifts with your cash. many police depts. slush funds are public information... go look up your local police, you may be surprised!

[jsn9333]

You are wrong about the democrats. Are they as favorible toward legalization and liberalization as the Green party or Ron Paul? No. BUT...

The democrats are much more liberal on drug laws then Republicans. Do democrats want it legalized? No. But democratic led states are *much* more likely to enact "medical compassion" laws that allow growing for personal, medicinal use.

Obama is not "letting people believe" shit. He is talking as straight as straight can be. He said he is not for legalization (which is sad), however, he also has said he would STOP the Federal Government from enforcing federal drug laws in California. That is HUGE. The courts have said the Feds can enforce federal laws even though California law opposes it, and the Bush administration is making the DEA do it. McCain would do the same thing. However, the courts have not said the Feds HAVE TO enforce those laws over and above the State's laws. As Executive over the DEA, Obama probably could stop them from kicking in medical patients and dispensaries doors in California. That would be fucking GREAT. And he has said he would do it.

I saw the town hall meeting where he said it. A medical patient asked him straight up, and Obama paused, thought, and then said... "as president I would not allow the Federal government to stop medical patients from getting marijuana in California... it is a waste of resources."

McCain, when asked the same question, turned his back on the woman and asked someone for another question, as if she wasn't even worth an answer.

Obama is not perfect. He is an idiot on some issues, but right on track on others. He graduated from Harvard Law school for goodness sakes, and was editor-in-chief of their Law Review. That is the equivalent to being top of the class... of the most prestigious law school in the country! It is a HUGE honor. McCain, on the other hand, is an idiot on ALL issues. He's a fucking idiot who graduated next to last in his class, and he didn't even get into his acadamy except that his daddy was high up in the Navy.

Any stoner who votes for McCain over Obama should be forced to smoke schwag soaked in cow piss.

I'm done now.


Go ahead and start shitting in your other hand while you wait, the answer is not the "democrats" getting in power. If you hadn't noticed, they controll congress right now, and up until the Bill Clinton years, they controlled congress for about 30 years straight. The cannabis prohibition knows no party lines. Both parties are equally ignorant on this issue. The difference is most democrats are willing to "let you believe" that they would be pro-cannabis, and will not go out of there way to correct that perspective, a la Barack Obama.:wtf: While most republicans won't be deceptive just to gain the votes of an ignorant few.

[8182KSKUSH]

So for 30 years while congress and washington was run by the democrats it just slipped their mind to remove cannabis from the sched of narcotics?
OK.:thumbsup:

[8182KSKUSH]

Any stoner who votes for McCain over Obama should be forced to smoke schwag soaked in cow piss.

I'm done now.

Anyone that decides to vote for president based solely on their position in regards to cannabis is completely clueless.
Those are some of the voters Obama is counting on though!
Did you watch the the Democratic Primary Debates that were broadcast nationally? I guess not. Would you like another glass of kool aid now?:wtf::thumbsup:

[jsn9333]

So for 30 years while congress and washington was run by the democrats it just slipped their mind to remove cannabis from the sched of narcotics?
OK.
. . . Anyone that decides to vote for president based solely on their position in regards to cannabis is completely clueless.
Those are some of the voters Obama is counting on though!
Did you watch the the Democratic Primary Debates that were broadcast nationally? I guess not. Would you like another glass of kool aid now?:wtf::thumbsup:

Kool aid? Why are cannabis forums gathering places for fucking conspiracy theorists. No one is offering anyone cool aid. Both men most likely have decent intentions. I have seen no proof of anything to the contrary (though I'm sure you conspiracy theorists have seen all the proof you need).

Who said anyone was voting for Obama soley b/c of his position on cannabis? The difference between the two is one of IQ and ability to make coherent decisions all around the board. For instance, Obama knew not to buy the "weapons of mass destruction" bullshit Bush threw around. McCain was stupid enough to buy it hook, line, and sinker. Obama 1, McCain 0.

Again, look at their educational achievements (or lack thereof). One of them is a fucking dunce, the other is bright as can be. That is probably why one of them sees it as wrong to kick down medical patients doors, and the other wants to keep doing it. Obama 2, McCain 0. The list goes on and on.

As far as democrats over the last 30 years... times change. Segregation was legal with support of both parties 60 years ago. Get with the picture. Times are a'changing. McCain is fucking a dumbass who only succeeded b/c his dad was a rich, high up Naval officer. I'm tired of being embarrassed by a president who is a complete idiot and can't even make complete sentences. At least he is smarter then bush, but that's not saying much.

[silkyblue]

this is sad (((( to think we could loose our home, we built, from the ground up because of 2 plants, for 2 plants!



whats next sensors on our home doorways?


dam crooks I hope they choke on it!




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