I need some help.

[Mr. Happy]

HI all,
I am having some problems with my Haze x skunk #1. It is in the 5th week of flower and it may be dying. All the big sun leaves are turning yellow and falling off and the tips have been curling upward into little rolls. I am trying to flush the soil with ph 6.8 tap water. It has 3-4 more weeks of flowering but I fear it will die. The inner bud leaves are still green for the most part but Ive lost all of the big sun leaves. I wonder if its getting enough oxygen. Should I try hydrogen peroxide?

[stinkyattic]

Can you post pics including the pot and grow area, and also fill out the troubleshooting form?

[Rusty Trichome]

In the mean time, quit runnuing water thru. If possible, wait till soil dries out a bit before adding anything else.

Fan leaves are a nitrogen storehouse, and will slowly 'give-up' the nitrogen as the plant needs it in flower. They yellow, and eventually die off. (a natural process)
They also yellow (with brownish-grey blotches) when they are being overwatered, and root rot is setting in. (a natural process preceding death) Only takes a couple of days of saturation before big problems develop.

Would recommend you do as stinky said a.s.a.p. tho.
Also, I'd hold-off on the H2O2 till someone can look at the plants.

[Mr. Happy]

Well, I'm not sure where to find the form you mentioned Stinky, but I took some pictures. Thanks Rusty for your input. I am trying to let the soil dry out and air out. I thought about foliar feeding with fish emulsion for micro-nutrients and a nitrogen kick. I know thats a grow phase thing but what to do?

For nutes I have been using Gen. Hydro. Bloom in combination with Beasty Blooms supplement. There are two White Widow plants that are doing pretty well, but not the sativa.

Thank you guys for any help.

[Rusty Trichome]

http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-problems/127058-troubleshooting-form-yay-you-know-you-wanted-one.html
^^^stinky's troubleshooting form^^^


:eek: :eek: :eek: Wow...what did you do to 'em, and how long have they been like that...? (just kidding)

Some yellowing late in flower stage is to be expected. But, kinda looks like overwatering. Filling-out the form as detailed as possible will help. (including ph info)
Wouldn't foliar anything till we figure-out where the problem lies. Patience...likely she won't expire overnight.

Altho the yellowing looks a tad excessive, I've seen much worse.:thumbsup:

[Mr. Happy]

I hope this helps. Rusty,I doubt the problem is over watering because I have been watching that pretty closely but it is possible. The soil is in a container that doesn't have good drainage. I have tried to compensate by watching I don't over water. It could be that the roots aren't getting enough oxygen too. But like I said, I have two White Widow that are prolific in the same pot.
Thanks, Mr. Happy.

E-indoor
E-soil, coco
CSL-Soil type/brand = "Foxfarm mixed with coco, vermiculite.
SCL-Anything you have added to the soil = bat guano during veg stage. Molasses.
SCLR-Soil or slab runoff pH 5.8
E-Water source = from dehumidifier, tap or store bought RO and distilled
E-Source water pH = 8.0 adjusted to 6.5
E-Age of plant = 45 days
E-Type of fertilizer = Foxfarm Grow Big, Gen. Hydro Bloom, Beasty Blooms usually around 2000 ppm.
E-Rate of application = every other watering
E-Lighting source and distance from plant = cooled 400 watt HPS + 3 cfl
distance around one foot.
E-Air temperature = day 78 degrees, night 74 degrees
E-Air % Relative humidity = 45%
E-Lighting schedule = 12/12
E-Type of ventilation your room has = fan + carbon filter
TR-Did you pre-soak your media in pH corrected solution? No

[Rusty Trichome]

Sorry to say, I'm really an idiot when it comes to hydro.

2000 ppm? Isn't that a bit high? How do the roots look? White and clean, or brown and yucky?

Hopefully Stinky, or some other wet-head will come along.

[stinkyattic]

GH Bloom requires GH Micro for completeness.
RO and dehumidifier water requires CalMag for hardness.
No fish emulsion.
Your pH is too low for a soilless grow; bring to about 6.4.
Coco should be used with coco nutrients, or at LEAST with a calcium supplement(calmag, whcih you should be running anyway). It scavenges Ca and leaches out K.
If you do not have at least one gallon of medium for each foot of main stem, you are probably rootbound, and the plants look it. That would also contribute to the yellowing and poor soil chemistry.

[Rusty Trichome]

Why is it that all the smart women are spoken for...?
You don't by chance have a spare sister just layin' around, do you stinky? :smokin:

[stinkyattic]

lol! Sorry Rusty, just a brother. He is very smart though! I'm technically the underachiever in the family... he makes SEVEN TIMES my annual salary, lol! But he has to live in the city... I'm all set with that!
I have a couple smart single girlfriends though it that's any help...

[Rusty Trichome]

lol! Sorry Rusty, just a brother. He is very smart though! I'm technically the underachiever in the family... he makes SEVEN TIMES my annual salary, lol! But he has to live in the city... I'm all set with that!
I have a couple smart single girlfriends though it that's any help...

No, that's ok. Was in hopes of getting my hands on a stinky-clone. :thumbsup:
Wife would likely get pissed anyhow. She's kinda funny that way, lol. :jointsmile:

[Mr. Happy]

I will try some Cal Mag. Thanks Stinky and Rusty! Mr. Happy.

[CostaRicaSensi]

advice from rusty n' stinky will mos def serve you right. the shit i have learned from reading there posts is priceless.

I agree that at first it looks like overwatering, I had and have a similar problem. around the six week of flower my plants take a serious turn towards death. At first I thought it was normal which it kinda is. However, my grow space is a small concrete crawl space with one bathroom fan bringing in air from outside. At first I was growing just a plant or two, now that I am growing between 5-6 plants my problem is a bit worse. leaves start to curl down, yellow/browning of leaves, crispy deadness sort of texture. I figured the problem was now I have 5 or 6 plants fighting for the same air that was seemingly barely enough for 2. Unfortunately i can't add more air intake without getting completely obvious, so I will just grow around 4 or so plants and open up the door a couple times a day to give more fresh air (and releave the heat) and just deal with it until I can get a bigger space.

Also I don't know the scientific facts on this but I figure the bigger the buds get, the more air your plant need. So the air that was sufficient when they were just starting to produce will not neccessarily be sufficient when they are fullgrown women. Does anyone concur?

[stinkyattic]

CRS... there is a very simple solution for you limited-intake types...
CO2 tank enrichment!!! Aww Yee. Take it from a cellardweller... Now my attic stinks 4 stories up. ; )

[Mr. Happy]

Thanks CRS, thats good advice. I have a sativa in between two WW which are doing splendidly but the sativa just seems to be struggling. It is much longer (bent via LST). I think Stinky is right and it got root bound. It doesn't appear critical though, thank God. The sativa has over three weeks to go until harvest. These buds are small and loose but taste extraordinary IMO. The small leaves around the buds are still green for the most part... fan leaves are toast. I plan to just let the soil air out and then continue leaching with tap water. I will post pictures in a week or so. I hope it rebounds and starts en massing the buds.
Thanks to all. MH

[Mr. Happy]

Stinky, I would do CO2 enrichment but haven't found a practical way. I have a small tank but I have to have my air filter on all the time because it cools my lamp. The ppm would get high enough to do much good.

[CostaRicaSensi]

yes, I need to get up on the co2 as well. I guess I have been kinda lazy about finding a gas distributer. Im sure I could have a buddy send me a regulator, but i\m not sure where to start looking for a tank. no grow shops in CR.:( Is it true that the companies who stock commercial grade soda fountains supply tanks?

I think I have found my weekend quest, thanks for the poke:thumbsup:

[stinkyattic]

Happy, run your lamp duct separately from your room exhaust. Have it intake from, and exhaust, OUTSIDE the room. That way, you don't lose your CO2.

[Mr. Happy]

Thanks Stinky, I will consider that. I picked up some Cal/Mag and RO water. I hope it helps revive it. I'll post pictures in a week or so. Happy.

[Mr. Happy]

I think the Cal/Mag is helping. I've pull the dying fan leaves and the buds look lush green and the buds are starting to bulk up. Back on track it seems, Thanks to Stinky!!! Mr. Happy.