Schapelle Corby

[SteveV]

This is a really disturbing case, which I will admit, really distresses me. It is explained by a new vid released and put out for free distribution this week. I have uploaded it here:
Cannabis.com - Medical Marijuana, Medical Cannabis, California Club, News, Videos, Dispensary, Co-op, Co-ops, Menus, Reviews, Los Angeles (http://cannabis.com/members/viewVideo.php?video_id=388&title=The_Schapelle_Corby_Nightmare)

The bottom line is that Schapelle is imprisoned for 20 YEARS in Indonesia, on the basis of one of the most harrowing show trials of modern times. The video explains the background, detailing some of the many human rights abuses she has suffered, for a crime she did not commit.

She is still there today, years later, forgotten, with so many years still to serve in the living hell of an Indonesian prison hell. And they have continued to hurt her: blocking remission, and so on.

I guess what I am saying is that she could hardly be more desperate. She needs as many people as poss to help her. Please:
- do something form the list on the site some guy set up Help Schapelle Corby (http://www.schapelle.net/whattodo.html)
- vote or comment on the YouTube vid: YouTube - THE SCHAPELLE CORBY NIGHTMARE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR_lFMGo6H0)
- tell the world about this: send the links out, get more people aware

Anything you think might help (the above are just ideas from a guy on the other side the world).

A clear victim of the 'war on drugs'. How many more?

[sarah louise]

spam, corby flavoured spam.

[SteveV]

spam, corby flavoured spam.

Are you serious? What sort of person are you?

This forum is headed 'Activism'. It is on cannabis.com. Shapelle Corby is a serious victim of the 'war on drugs' in anyone's language. It is a post in absolutely the right place. Remind me again why you are viewing posts on this website under the heading 'Activism'?

People like you should be put in a cell like hers for a day, to learn some humility. It beggers belief: this woman is likely to die there, yet you spitefully say 'spam'. Compassionless and soul-less: and brainwashed by the Aussie media.

[FakeBoobsRule]

Steve, you can't come in here and hurl insults at other members like you did at the end of your post. To be honest, I thought this was borderline spam too as it was your first post and it looked to be a "form" post that was almost trying to help get donations for SC. Just about any post with links to other sites can be considered spam so please try to follow forum rules (available for viewing in the lounge, feedback, and several other sections) while helping this girl out. I know there's a big debate on her role in this (victim or knew what she was doing) but either way the sentence is way too harsh and I'm sure many want to help her and some need to hear about the story but you also need to follow forum rules.

Also, someone already started a thread on this and I've been trying to figure out whether to keep yours which is borderline spam or to merge it with the other thread that was started first. I'm not sure if this falls under activism when it is just one person.

[Weedhound]

unfortunately steve you lost me when you "spitefully" suggested that the member who made the comment should be locked away in a cell as well.....while at the same time saying how horrible the place is and how "you" are fighting to get someone OUT of that inhuman situation. But somehow it's ok for someone who's rude about your post....THEY should be there, right?

Hmmmm

[SteveV]

I said spitefully simply because I cannot get my head around why anyone would post a message like that, in response to my original, which was simply trying to get support for someone in truly desperate need. I could not see a motive at all.

And it's not just one person of course. I just came across the video, so there are obviously many others just as upset as I am, and rightly so. I just posted pointing out the new video.

I'm not confrontational, but I posted in the correct forum, on something appropriate and very disturbing, and the first response I got was one telling me I was a spammer! Would you not be a trifle piffed?

Anyhow... I don't want to tangent the real issue... which is helping this poor woman.

[sarah louise]

There are a lot of people in Aus who don't need to depend on the news reports and vids online to form an educated opinion on the nature of Ms Corby's character.

And as to what sort of a person I am, well I'm the 'once burnt, twice shy' variety of person and as far as I can tell, Schapelle is a victim of her own greed, narcissism and blind stupidity. And possibly a victim of her family as well.

If your post wasn't Corby spam and you're really a dude who just found this stuff on the net, please don't send the family any money.

sara lou :hippy:

[psychocat]

As I already said in this thread on the subject.
http://boards.cannabis.com/legal/160170-schapelle-corby-jail-thailand-20-yrs-weed.html

Can't do the time then don't do the crime.
Some countries have extreme sentences and that's why I wouldn't dream of breaking thier laws .
You go into another mans yard then you accept his rules or pay the price.

PS you may want to adjust your attitude if you want to win folks over. :thumbsup:

No amount of attitude adjustment will change my mind however , I don't believe she did it out of any wish for better cannabis laws but simply for financial gain.
This is no idealist fighting the man , just some greedy smuggler.

[RobPA]

I have been following this case for a long long time, I have also donated to her legal fees. Whether it was stupidiity, a setup or anything of that likeness noone deserves to be thrown into some shithole country and its shithole judicial system. Im sure you have seen the signs some of those animals had at her trial (Kill Corby, Death Sentence for corby!) Now im sure this isint the general opinion of all indonesians, she should at the least be doing her time back in australia. It also seems Corby has more US supporters these days then Aussie ones, looks like the "Tabloid" press is even worse over there. There have been so many erroneus and bullshit stories pulled out by the australian media you dont know what is bullshit and what is truth. I stand behind the Original poster and your support for mis corby. I will continue to donate to legal fees and support her.

[sarah louise]

Schapelle's only risk of dying in Bali will be dying from self pity. She has a lot to be sorry for though, she would have done 10 years after her sentence was lightened to 15 (with remission bonuses for xmas, birthdays and good behaviour) but stupidity has already blown it back out to 20 years. If people want to give money to couriers who get snatched, there are other Australian's actually facing the death penalty in Indonesia.

ps Her trip of a life time back in 2004 was the 6th time she had visited Bali. She wasn't a noob.

Last point - The Balinese are Hindus rather than Muslims and the drug trade exists solely to service the Australian (and other) tourists who go there for cheap holidays.

Ganja is alien to the local culture, the local psychedelic is a fungus that goes nice with eggs.

[RobPA]

Schapelle's only risk of dying in Bali will be dying from self pity. She has a lot to be sorry for though, she would have done 10 years after her sentence was lightened to 15 (with remission bonuses for xmas, birthdays and good behaviour) but stupidity has already blown it back out to 20 years. If people want to give money to couriers who get snatched, there are other Australian's actually facing the death penalty in Indonesia.

ps Her trip of a life time back in 2004 was the 6th time she had visited Bali. She wasn't a noob.

Last point - The Balinese are Hindus rather than Muslims and the drug trade exists solely to service the Australian (and other) tourists who go there for cheap holidays.

Ganja is alien to the local culture, the local psychedelic is a fungus that goes nice with eggs.



All the things you have said I already know, thanks for the info though. Dosent her sister LIVE in bali and married to a bali citizen?? One thing im curious about, was her sister married to the man from Bali before or after she was caught?? So the 6 times im sure were to visit her sister who lived there right? I understand there are many people locked up in those type's of situations. I guess the whole HBO documentary thing really hit on a lot of emotions of people over here. The asshole that I personally think ruined it is that Used car salesmen(maybe TV salesman I cant think of it off hand) over in Australia, when he went public about the bribe money... im sure shit would have gone a lot better if he dident open his mouth. I understand being an Aussie yourself you are probably sick of hearing about the whole thing and tired of seeing her whine and moan on TV. However I could not imagine what the girl is going through. There was no fingerprint evidence on the bag, hell it could have been her brother or somthing that switched the bag. The bottomline is the judicial system is fucked up over there. Anyone whether they be australian, indonesian etc etc in my opinion deserves a fair trial and all evidence investigated to the fullest. I guess im sounding like the normal american wanting to push his views of freedom on other countries, but in this case its straight F'ed up, 20 years with no fingerprints... Bottom line to me is she was NOT given a fair trial, all the evidence was touched by 10 million cops there was evidence MISSING (bali cops prolly were grabbing handfulls for themselves to sell, the corrupt pieces of shit). I have even written our Australian embassy in washington and received a very positive letter in return. I'll stand behind Mis Corby until she receives a fair trial (impossible in indonesia), so I guess my monthly donations via paypal will be for the long haul!

[SteveV]

Rob... I suspect you are wasting your time, as I am, with some of these people.

I see a woman in a hell hole for a barbaric 20 YEARS for a dope offence. I see her pain and suffering. It hurts.

I see a show trial: refusing to test the dope, burning it, and the rest.

I see the media smearing her family with often ludicrous stories, again and again and again. Drip drip drip brainwashing of a population.

I see a government doing nothing to help a citizen who has had her legal and human rights walked all over, both during the trial and after.


Some people are perfectly happy with this. They have no empathy with her suffering, and no compassion at all.

I am eternally grateful that I am not like that.

[sarah louise]

Rob... I suspect you are wasting your time, as I am, with some of these people.

Just as I would be wasting my time debunking any more of your bullshit or responding to your moralising.

We each base our opinions on a set of experiences. Yours have lead you to believe Ms Corby is a helpless victim of circumstances beyond her control.

Mine lead me to believe that so long as she is in Bali and the family is busy scamming dollars online, Australia is a better place :thumbsup:

Salamat Siang

Sara Lou

[SteveV]

This is a good example of what has gone on. Here we have yet more totally and utterly unsubstantiated smears against her family.

No: I am being FAR too generous. It is a fact that the donation account is legally audited by a third party. I checked that personally before contributing myself.

So here we have false allegations of corruption against a family in desperate need of help. Ignoring the moral dimension, it is probably illegal. Frankly, if I were the family I would now be seeking the identity of the person above and taking appropriate legal action.

The mods might want to consider the above post, with respect to the forum being used as a platform for such an act. They also wish to consider the motive. Come on guys.

It is such a good example of all that is depressing that I took a screenshot of the page for my records here in England (indeed: I am not connected at with the family/etc in any way). Very very sad.

[SteveV]

And meanwhile, the worst part of all... Shapelle continues to suffer in that squalid cell.

See how the focus has been re-directed here from the real issues? A splendid case in point. :(

[psychocat]

And meanwhile, the worst part of all... Shapelle continues to suffer in that squalid cell.

See how the focus has been re-directed here from the real issues? A splendid case in point. :(

The real issue is.

Do you believe in her innocence ? I don't

I know the penalty for smuggling in Europe because many years ago I got caught doing just that, I know the comparative sentence would be much higher in other countries but it would still be my choice to attempt it.
You go pulling on the tigers tail then sooner or later you're going to get bitten. :D

[SteveV]

No: it isn't as simple as that. Nothing like.

The real issue is should she be spending 20 YEARS in an Indonesian prison cell. No. That is absolutely grotesque, and disproportionate, whether she did it or not.

I don't think she did it for one second. But regardless, another massive issue: the nature of the show trial. A complete and utter breach of legal and human rights. Incredible.

Then everything that as followed, from the constant smears on her family, to the use of a sedated/drugged Schapelle Corby even this week for Indonesian photographic propaganda.

Simplifying it hides a raft or evils, which would have raised eyebrows even in the middle ages.

[SunnyD]

Here's a thought, how about you quit bashing everyone who doesn't believe what you believe huh?...

Indonesia is a very different place than the UK or the US...people don't have the same rights there as they do here...

Let it go...you already got yelled at once

[SteveV]

Sorry, but where am I bashing anyone? I am not: I simply state my opinion (and this is a forum, you know). Please read my words.

[SunnyD]

Frankly, if I were the family I would now be seeking the identity of the person above and taking appropriate legal action

Right there, you were implying that, if you were the family, you would be inclined to take legal action against Sarah Louise's words for her stating that she doesn't believe what you believe...

Why are you so wrapped up in this when there's mass genocide going on in Sierra Lione and other African countries? Do you think that's fair? Do you want to rant about how the murderers are killing the residents of diamond mines and then selling the stolen "blood diamonds" on the open market?...

Buddy you just gotta chill out...

[SteveV]

That is clearly not 'bashing' anyone. It is simply stating what I would do if I were in someone else's shoes, as in normal conversation. That is all. I would defend myself against libel and slander, which is basically what I said.

There is absolutelty nothing wrong with stating that, here or anywhere else.

BTW: This is a cannabis forum, not one on Sierra Lione/etc.

[SunnyD]

Thank you, I'm quite aware of that

I'm going to bid you Au revoir

I have no more interest to try and calm you down

[psychocat]

No: it isn't as simple as that. Nothing like.

We will have to agree to disagree on this one, I do believe it to be simply a question of guilt and motive.
I believe she is guilty and her motives were financial.


The real issue is should she be spending 20 YEARS in an Indonesian prison cell. No. That is absolutely grotesque, and disproportionate, whether she did it or not..

Neither you nor I have any right to tell another country what laws they may have nor what penalties to levy if someone breaks those laws.
We can disagree with them all we want.


I don't think she did it for one second. But regardless, another massive issue: the nature of the show trial. A complete and utter breach of legal and human rights. Incredible..

Who decides what those rights should be ?
What right do we have to impose our beliefs on another ?
You presume to believe that a visitor should be afforded priveliges not given to residents, why should that be ? Just because you believe it ?


Then everything that as followed, from the constant smears on her family, to the use of a sedated/drugged Schapelle Corby even this week for Indonesian photographic propaganda..

Please provide evidence that this is the case , media reports do not constitute evidence unless you can prove there is no bias. :D


Simplifying it hides a raft or evils, which would have raised eyebrows even in the middle ages.

You really need to read up on what was happening in the Middle ages, violence was a way to power and fueds were commonplace, war was widespread and the atrocities carried out make most modern wars look positively tame in comparison.

Even biological warfare dates from the 14th century.

CDC - Biological Warfare at the 1346 Siege of Caffa (http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol8no9/01-0536.htm)

And



I STILL THINK SHE'S GUILTY
:beatdeadhorse:

[SteveV]

There is no point. How can I debate with someone who thinks it's ok to jail someone for 20 YEARS, for a dope offence, on the basis of a show trial which breaches the victim's legal and human rights every day? Simply, apparently, because of their 'beliefs'?

It's a ludicrous argument and it justifies nothing. What about Hitler's beliefs? EXACTLY the same argument could be used for non-intervention there, because we imposed our 'beliefs' on him.

I personally find 'beliefs' that are used to systematically abuse people and strip them of their human rights obscene. I genuinely cannot believe there are opinions out there to the opposite. But there are. :(

[psychocat]

NO !
Not the Hitler card .. :D
Lame ,very very lame.

[sarah louise]

LOL argumentum ad Nazium already?

Surely you have more than that Steve?

You complain about lack of substantiation, well what about the video?

Even the most basic work of fiction must have some internal consistency.

Supposedly, interstate drug runners operating out of airport baggage handling facilities in Australia stashed 4.2 kg of ganja in a bogie board bag and forgot to collect it meaning that it ended up in Indonesia, just at the same time the Indonesian government is looking for a high profile drug case in catch a fortune in external drug-war funding.

And it's true because you saw it on the internet. Really?

I stand by my first statement, spam, Corby flavoured spam.

[psychocat]

LOL argumentum ad Nazium already?

Surely you have more than that Steve?

You complain about lack of substantiation, well what about the video?

Even the most basic work of fiction must have some internal consistency.

Supposedly, interstate drug runners operating out of airport baggage handling facilities in Australia stashed 4.2 kg of ganja in a bogie board bag and forgot to collect it meaning that it ended up in Indonesia, just at the same time the Indonesian government is looking for a high profile drug case in catch a fortune in external drug-war funding.

And it's true because you saw it on the internet. Really?

I stand by my first statement, spam, Corby flavoured spam.

Yeah but my Ghengis Khan pisses allover his Hitler . :D

[SteveV]

The Australian government will confirm that Schapelle Corby made a formal request to have the drugs tested. Ask your rep there. Facts always trump baseless smears.

I am also retaining the screenshots of your earlier libel in case it is required by anyone for legal action against you.


Campaigning against someone suffering in a hell hole for 20 years eh? I wonder exactly what motivates that?

[sarah louise]

The Australian government will confirm that Schapelle Corby made a formal request to have the drugs tested. Ask your rep there. Facts always trump baseless smears.

You have that a little arse about - the Australian Federal Police offered to undertake forensic testing on Schapelle Corby's luggage, the offered was rejected because any evidence would have also been made available to the Indonesia prosecution as well. That is a matter of public record.


I am also retaining the screenshots of your earlier libel in case it is required by anyone for legal action against you.

ROFL thanks for that :thumbsup:

I think it is pretty pathetic to try and silence an opposing opinion by raising the spectre of legal action (oooooooooooooooooooh so scared now). Are you capable of reconciling the bizarre contradictions in the Corby story without making threats or moral judgements?


Campaigning against someone suffering in a hell hole for 20 years eh? I wonder exactly what motivates that?

I have no idea of what motivates you Steve, but by the anger, indignation and venom of your responses, I expect it isn't anything based in logic or rationality.

Maybe your the sort of person who needs to have a cause? Maybe you feel unfulfilled in your own life and need something to get your adrenalin pumping?
Maybe you have fallen in love with a sad eyed picture and a theme song?

I don't know and I don't much care, I just wish you would either come up with something rational or stop spreading this garbage.

My thoughts might not be to your liking Steve, but they aren't defamatory so you can save cluttering up your hdd with any more screen shots.

sara lou :hippy:

[SteveV]

the Australian Federal Police offered to undertake forensic testing on Schapelle Corby's luggage, the offered was rejected because any evidence would have also been made available to the Indonesia prosecution as well. That is a matter of public record.

Please do not LIE again. I have a copy of the document on my PC, from the Australian Consulate General in Bali. It is a file note dated December 3 2004. It is a public document, so you can request it for yourself. It makes it 100% clear that Schapelle requested the tests. Yet still people make up lies.



I think it is pretty pathetic to try and silence an opposing opinion by raising the spectre of legal action

Even ignoring what libel says about you as a person, you cannot libel people with malicious lies as you have done. It is illegal, and subject to legal action. Legal action is a remedy to deal with liars. That is all it is.

If you don't lie: no possibility of legal action. It is that simple.

I will retain the records.



I have no idea of what motivates you Steve...

I am motivated because someone is suffering horribly and unjustly. That is a pretty positive human emotion.

What motivates someone to come back again and again and again to try to argue for that terrible suffering to continue though? What motivates someone to even put themselves in danger of legal action for libel by doing it?

Enough said...

[daihashi]

Please do not LIE again. I have a copy of the document on my PC, from the Australian Consulate General in Bali. It is a file note dated December 3 2004. It is a public document, so you can request it for yourself. It makes it 100% clear that Schapelle requested the tests. Yet still people make up lies.

Statements without evidence does not make the statements true or false. It simply makes them statements. You are trying to enforce your statement as fact without any evidence to back it. You have a copy of the document on your pc from the Australian Consulate but you choose not to share it with us.

One could only assume that if you are admitting this and not sharing it that you are with holding information for your own agenda, whatever that may be. Or you could genuinely have the document and everyone could be wrong.

You come off as defensive and kind of abrasive. So people will probably think the former about you and your posts and you must realize that given the circumstances it's not unreasonable for them to do so.



Even ignoring what libel says about you as a person, you cannot libel people with malicious lies as you have done. It is illegal, and subject to legal action. Legal action is a remedy to deal with liars. That is all it is.

If you don't lie: no possibility of legal action. It is that simple.

I will retain the records.

Libel? Please show me where defamation occurred here? You are trying to enforce your own ethics on other people. People are allowed to say and think what they wish. This is called an opinion.

Also legal action? This is an internet forum, how pleased do you think the court will be to hear that the case before them is a trial over libel on an internet forum. Do you honestly think that any prosecution would take on that case?

You keep calling people liars, honestly you're the only one who keeps claiming to know all this inside information but yet to provide any of it. You honestly sound as if you're unhinged.


I am motivated because someone is suffering horribly and unjustly. That is a pretty positive human emotion.

Unjustly? She was smuggling Marijuana. Do you think that this is what cannabis activists stand for? There is a fairly large reason why people grow instead of buy. Some of it has to do with the fact that we do not want to support drug dealers and smuggling of drugs into our country. If we don't condone it here do you think we would condone it happening to an austrailian in Indonesia?

There is a difference between suffering unjustly and suffering because you did something highly illegal (international trafficking). Face it, she broke the law and is getting punished for it. Even here in the states that have decriminalized Marijuana you can only carry about an ounce or so on you at a time. She had 9 lbs on her. That was not personal stash, she was obviously transporting it somewhere.



What motivates someone to come back again and again and again to try to argue for that terrible suffering to continue though? What motivates someone to even put themselves in danger of legal action for libel by doing it?

I've had my trap closed for this entire discussion but I can't hold it in anymore. You are naive, you don't understand the type of damage people like Schappelle Corby do to our cause. If people are getting busted for illegal smuggling in countries outside their own.. don't you think that just gives people more ammunition to come down harder on Marijuana or stop the progress we're beginning to make?


Enough said...

Honestly you said enough a while ago. Your last few posts have just been rants and raves.

[daihashi]

In case I did not make myself clear. I do not support Corby. Corby is counterproductive to our cause. It's one thing to stand up for cannabis rights but it's another thing to blindly rush into battle over something simply because it's related to cannabis.

[psychocat]

The Australian government will confirm that Schapelle Corby made a formal request to have the drugs tested. Ask your rep there. Facts always trump baseless smears.

So you believe you are privy to all the facts .
Baseless smears you say , proven accusations say I.
The fact that the Australian goverment has washed thier hands of it should tell you all you need to know.


I am also retaining the screenshots of your earlier libel in case it is required by anyone for legal action against you.

That is just so pathetic , you cannot defame someone who is GUILTY !


Campaigning against someone suffering in a hell hole for 20 years eh? I wonder exactly what motivates that?

Nobody is campaigning against your poor little smuggler they are simply sharing thier opinions on the case , you are the only one getting thier knickers in a twist.

BTW accusing someone of being a liar is defamation so maybe you should think nefore you start making threats to others or you may find your own head on the block.

This is my final word on this and I will no longer feed the troll.

[SteveV]

1. So where do you want me to upload the scan of the official document (the file note dated December 3 2004) to? I have the JPG here, ready.

2. Cannot defame anyone who is guilty? Please bother to keep track of the posts before making statements like that. This statement libel "the family is busy scamming dollars online".

Unless she can prove that, which she can't (because the accounts are audited), she has libelled the Corby family. If I was them I would identify her and sue her for that lie.


Campiagning is posting again and again and again to argue she should be left in that cell 20 years. THAT is campaigning, and it is ugly.

[FakeBoobsRule]

Oh enough with the slander and libel accusations. You have so much to prove such as malicious intent and trying to present things as fact when they are clearly false and that opinions formed and stated are so far from the truth that only someone who was out to defame an individual could come up with these opinions from the facts. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make it libel or slander and since she has been convicted of a crime, all of these opinions are possible. In the latest accusation of slander/libel, it seems reasonable for someone to view a convicted criminal with a website asking for money as having less than noble motives.

In short Steve, the people you are accusing of slander and libel are forming reasonable opinions based on the facts and that's not illegal. If for some reason a jury found the statements to be slander/libel (meaning that jury was also insane) what kind of award are they going to give for this? What damages have been caused by a handful of people talking about it on an internet forum? Oh, wait did you see that news report? The Bali government has been reading this website and because many more people from the internet think she is guilty, they have added 5 years to her sentence. :rolleyes:

No one is defaming her and no one is causing any damages to her. Please stay on topic and argue about Corby and the Bali government or legal system, not about each other and about slander and libel.

I wish they did fingerprint the bad or whatever it was but do you know how often this is done in any country? Not very often. I'm not sure proving which country the pot was grown in would have made a huge difference but yeah I would have liked to have seen the bag dusted.

[Weedhound]

You DO have to wonder where the sense of entitlement came from with Steve here.

He's right.....everyone else is not only wrong but deserves to be in a cell or some other "inhuman" thing because they don't agree with him.

Steve you've been called out by several very intelligent people here with very good, rational arguments and statements. Yours, on the other hand, are neither.

You arent getting very far here because your bitterness, hositility and dislike for people squeezes through all the cracks in your careful dissertation. Nobody wants anything to do with with hostile, bitter, raging folks whose judgment is obviously in question. If your thinking is twisted there....which it is.....then no one is going to trust your judgement in regards to other things as well.

Which they don't.

I too am finished here.

[SteveV]

Oh enough with the slander and libel accusations.

Whether you like it or not this statement is libelous "the family is busy scamming dollars online". Ask someone who knows ANYTHING about the law if you don't believe me.

It is libel against that family, because they are not scamming dollars online: to make that statement legally you would have to prove they were.

A responsible forum should not allow the forum to be used for libel. In doing so you are exposing the forum itself to some risk.

Sure, you can abuse me again for saying that, but maybe you should instead ask some third party with at least a little exposure to law.

All I am doing is telling you the truth. You seem to be dodging it.


Finally, yes, I DO dislike people who are compassionless. I feel real pity for Schapelle Corby: she doesn't deserve 20 years in a hell hole. I find it hard to relate, at all, to those who seem to relish her pain and suffering.

[sarah louise]

Thanks, FBR I was dawdling over a response, but you have made most of it unnecessary.

There are a couple of things I want to point out about the video, one of the claims was that the trial was a 'show trial'. The premise seems to be the fact that Indonesia has an inquisitional judicial system rather than an oppositional one. I think it is a bit of a stretch to suggest that this breaches her human rights.

And the suggestion that she is also a victim of an international conspiracy to do with funding some war on drugs? How am I supposed to swallow that? I might have been able to accept the baggage handlers bit (but I doubt they'd be that sloppy and forget 4.2 kg). Unfortunately these rather Byzantine machinations don't bear any relationship to the political reality of Indonesia.

In comparison with other sentences under the same regime, she didn't get anything extraordinary. What most people don't realise when they see the video is that time is measured very differently in Indonesia to the way time is measured in the west. Waktu karet or "rubber time" governs all things Indonesian and it troubles me that the video implies that the Indonesian government really want to keep her for a full 20 years.

Each year, prisoners who behave can expect to get a month off their sentence for events such as independence day, birthdays and religious holidays specific to the religion of the prisoner. This, combined with the 5 year reduction Ms Corby won at appeal, brought me to my earlier estimate of 10 years.

It appears they are prepared to say anything that will increase the likelihood of garnering sympathy regardless of the truth.


Campiagning is posting again and again and again to argue she should be left in that cell 20 years. THAT is campaigning, and it is ugly.

I'm sure that's not what you meant to say, anyway I'd call it fund-raising rather than campaigning and my motivation to engage with you is pretty simple really...

I don't like it when people piss down my back and try and tell me it's raining.

[sarah louise]

It is libel against that family, because they are not scamming dollars online: to make that statement legally you would have to prove they were.


You seriously don't understand Australian defamation laws.

Unless you can come up with something new, I'm putting this to bed.

[FakeBoobsRule]

Whether you like it or not this statement is libelous "the family is busy scamming dollars online". Ask someone who knows ANYTHING about the law if you don't believe me.

It is libel against that family, because they are not scamming dollars online: to make that statement legally you would have to prove they were.
I'm not a lawyer but this is basic law here in America. People's opinions if reasonable and not malicious are not defamation. She's been convicted of a crime and with as many online scams from "Send us your banking information" to "if you give me $25,000 for expenses we can access this $7.3 million tied up in this bank in another country" to people milking the government for charity after national disasters to people robbing charities it is plausible that may be a possibility.

Under Steve's definiton of libel/slander, Jay Leno, David Letterman, and Conan O'Brian are all guilty as hell after their opening monologues. Do you know who they are SteveV (asking that based on your flag). While you're at it, go check out What would Tyler Durden Do dot com and see what he says about celebrities and isn't being sued left and right. All the 9/11 consipracy believers and people who write about it would be guilty of libel or slander since there is nothing proving this as fact yet they love to go on and on about it.


A responsible forum should not allow the forum to be used for libel. In doing so you are exposing the forum itself to some risk.
Again, I'm not a lawyer but I'm sure the forum isn't being used to spread libel or exposing itself to risk. Maybe I'll post a video on youtube and a website for donation for the save canncom from the Cobry libel lawsuits.


Sure, you can abuse me again for saying that, but maybe you should instead ask some third party with at least a little exposure to law.

All I am doing is telling you the truth. You seem to be dodging it.

Oh, stop with the big huge pity party you're having about being attacked and abused. I've been watching this thread as well as other mods and while this is obviously a hot button topic, everyone has been relatively civil. No one is dodging the truth either; they are facing it head on.

[SteveV]

It's incredible the lies that just spew out.

Latest lie: "This, combined with the 5 year reduction Ms Corby won at appeal, brought me to my earlier estimate of 10 years."

The 20 year sentence was re-imposed at a later appeal. FACT. Even Wikipedia is right on that one. Check ANY site that describes this case in fact. You clearly know next to nothing about it.

She also lost her remission rights on the pretext of a cellphone in her cell. The real reason is almost certainly her book.


Is it any wonder I get frustrated when some people will go to any lengths to distort this, and resort to direct lies to support their campaign?



But I do understand defamation laws in Australia. You cannot cannot accuse someone of stealing/scamming without proving that they are doing so. It is libel. You libelled the family. Any tinpot lawyer could tell you that.

[FakeBoobsRule]

This just in from the newsdesk.....

[SteveV]

I'm not a lawyer.

It shows.

If you accuse someone of being a thief, and they are not, it is libel. Twist and turn all you wish, but it IS libel. The Corbys are not "scamming dollars online". And the only accusation of this I have ever seen is here.

The fact that you continue to allow this libel to continue on this forum is reckless and far from reasonable. It does you no credit at all.

BTW: You are even quoting the wrong source of the libel! As you defend it, I thought you might at least identify who actually posted!

[daihashi]

It's incredible the lies that just spew out.

Please source these lies and prove that they are lies.


Latest lie: "This, combined with the 5 year reduction Ms Corby won at appeal, brought me to my earlier estimate of 10 years."

The 20 year sentence was re-imposed at a later appeal. FACT. Even Wikipedia is right on that one. Check ANY site that describes this case in fact. You clearly know next to nothing about it.

Are you relying on wikipedia for your information? Why not provide a more credible source. The burden of evidence and proof is on you and no one else. You are the one who are calling people liars here.



Is it any wonder I get frustrated when some people will go to any lengths to distort this, and resort to direct lies to support their campaign?

If by distorting this you mean acknowledging the fact that she broke international law, then yes I would have to agree with you. However I most assuringly know that this is not what you're referring to. Take my sarcasm with a grain of salt.



But I do understand defamation laws in Australia. You cannot cannot accuse someone of stealing/scamming without proving that they are doing so. It is libel. You libelled the family. Any tinpot lawyer could tell you that.

Defamation across a website. A forum. Again I guarantee you that any prosecution would scoff at this if you brought it to them for legal matters. So again I bring to your attention that making threats or bringing to attention legal rights over something that is irrelevant really just makes it seem as if you're purposefully trying to rub people the wrong way.

Lastly there is a LARGE difference between public/personal opinion and defamation. For instance.. I could say

"I feel that Steve V guy is a jerk." This is not defamation.. or libel.. this is my opinion.

"That Steve V guy is a liar and a cheat." That is libel/defamation. As you are not stating it as opinion but rather as fact.

The only person I've seen commit that act here is YOU!

Since you chose to use Sarah louise's words out of context I will post the full sentence:

"Mine lead me to believe that so long as she is in Bali and the family is busy scamming dollars online, Australia is a better place"

By simply using "lead me to believe" the statement becomes opinion and not an assertion of fact.

If you would like I would be more than happy to post some "libel" against you and I would love to see you try to take me to court or ANYONE over it. All of your posts reak of immaturity and wanting to force your beliefs and ideals onto others. When others do not comply with what yo usay you seem to throw a tantrum and REALLY REALLY reach to paint them as if they have done something wrong.

You sir are immature and enjoy wasting forum resources.

I purposefully phrased that statement like that so you can see what true libel is. Now go contact your attorney. I'll have mine waiting for you for a counter suit :thumbsup:

[sarah louise]

It shows.

If you accuse someone of being a thief, and they are not, it is libel. Twist and turn all you wish, but it IS libel.

*sighs* For my comments here at can.com to defame someone in Australia they would have to demonstrate the way in which my comments have changed the public perception of the them in a negative manner.

On this, I'm well within the mainstream of public opinion on the matter. My views are not novel in Australia.

On a side note and in deference to an actual Australian precedent, if "the family" were to experience negative treatment in the USA because I changed public opinion of them by posting something bogus in a forum based in the USA, then I might be found guilty of defamation.

Do you really think that what I have said is so inflammatory that anyone linked by blood or marriage would experience a different reception in the USA as a result of my statements?

Come on, really?

If, however, a registered business, for argument sake let's use Schapelle Corby PTY LTD, could demonstrate that I had in some way made lasting damage to their brand name, they could then seek punitive damages. These damages though relate solely to the loss of trade of the brand name, in Australia companies are not imbued with a persona and cannot seek damages in the way an individual can, if defamation can be proved.

Are you still pretending to be some dude who found this stuff on the internet and was appalled? Your focus on me, your ludicrous interpretations of law... all it does is convince me further that you are touting for the Corby cause and your post is spam.

I explained how I arrived at 10 years. If you want to email the centre for Indonesian studies at Australia national university, I'm sure they will be happy to explain 'rubber time' to you.

You claim that I am telling bald faced porkies, yet you do nothing to demonstrate the veracity of your claims, instead you repeatedly attack my character and threaten me with legal actions.

How do you deal with the contradictions between your stated objectives and your actually behaviour?

sara lou :hippy:

[SteveV]

"Are you relying on wikipedia for your information? "

Please take the trouble to actually READ my words. They were "Even Wikipedia is right on that one". Does that sounds like I rely on Wikipedia? Pathetic.


"Defamation across a website. A forum. Again I guarantee you that any prosecution would scoff at this"

Is that what you believe? I suggest that you research a little more carefully. The medium used for a worldwide libel is not material to the libel fact itself, other than in setting the level of damages.


"I explained how I arrived at 10 years."

Yes, and I explained how that is ridiculous. The first appeal was reversed by the second. Or did you stop paying attention at that point? The remission was lost last year. Or did you miss that too? Or are you just trying to mislead everyone with more lies?

She continues to twist and turn to campaign to hurt Schapelle Corby further. And more smears, innuendo, this time against me: "Are you still pretending to be some dude who found this stuff on the internet and was appalled?".

Another malicious suggestion. I am sure that the owner of this forum can check out my IP address perfectly easily. I am normal. I encountered this story and was appalled as a normal person would be, appalled enough to research it. What I found was obscene: the injustice, the barbaric sentence, the gutless smearing media, and those who get a kick out of posting their glee on forums like this.

A sad reflection on humanity.

[sarah louise]

"I explained how I arrived at 10 years."

Yes, and I explained how that is ridiculous.

No you didn't. You said -


Latest lie: "This, combined with the 5 year reduction Ms Corby won at appeal, brought me to my earlier estimate of 10 years."

The 20 year sentence was re-imposed at a later appeal. FACT. Even Wikipedia is right on that one. Check ANY site that describes this case in fact. You clearly know next to nothing about it.

She also lost her remission rights on the pretext of a cellphone in her cell. The real reason is almost certainly her book.

How does that actually refute my initial assessment of the situation?


Schapelle's only risk of dying in Bali will be dying from self pity. She has a lot to be sorry for though, she would have done 10 years after her sentence was lightened to 15 (with remission bonuses for xmas, birthdays and good behaviour) but stupidity has already blown it back out to 20 years. If people want to give money to couriers who get snatched, there are other Australian's actually facing the death penalty in Indonesia.


You clipped 6 words out of a longer sentence, dropped my conclusion and then said I was lying because wikipedia said effectively the same things as my conclusion. Now you suggest I am the one who is dodging things.


She continues to twist and turn to campaign to hurt Schapelle Corby further.

Can you explain where I have twisted or turned?

I don't mind if you want to use wikipedia to reference public record, or even other cannabis activism/politics forums/blogs etc to gauge audience response, so long as you identify them and they provide evidence of checkable sources.


And more smears, innuendo, this time against me: "Are you still pretending to be some dude who found this stuff on the internet and was appalled?".

No, it's just a question. You could have answered it with a yes or a no. I am not responsible for what you decide my words mean.

But back my question about the veracity of the website link in your first post.

How do you know that the donation link leads to a legitimate site?

How do you know this particular paypal account hasn't been set up to profit from people's sympathy?

What steps did you take to verify for yourself that it wasn't a scam?

Where is the information about the auditing of accounts available?

[SteveV]

There are so many lies coming out of you that it is impossible to know where to start. It is compulsive lying.


Her current release date is in 2024. There were appeals. The 20 years was finally confirmed in March 2008 (which is why she has been medically treated almost continuously since). This is documented all over the net.

Yet you try to pretend it isn't. Why?


You smear her family with allegations of theft. You libel them on here. Have they been charged with any such offence? Are there allegations in the public arena, anywhere, apart from your mouth? No. If you call someone a thief YOU have to prove it, or you are libelous.

Why are you continually smearing them with lies and libel?


You deny a campaign against her, yet you return again and again and again to spew out more smears and lies.

Why? Why are you campaigning against someone who is suffering? What is exactly the matter with you? What is the real motive for this?

[daihashi]

This thread has become absolutely ridiculous now. You're both bickering over something irrelevant to the topic at hand.

I guess children will be children. Play nice. :thumbsup:

[sarah louise]

thankyou daihashi for the reminder, I wont address any more of the straw men and will stay closer to the point.

steve you still haven't answered my questions -

How do you know that the donation link leads to a legitimate site?

How do you know this particular paypal account hasn't been set up to profit from people's sympathy?

What steps did you take to verify for yourself that it wasn't a scam?

Where is the information about the auditing of accounts available?

as to why I am still asking...

you still haven't answered my questions, isn't that enough?

[SteveV]

Because I asked the person on the other end of the account, I checked it up, I determined the auditors, etc.

NOT that this has anything to do with you. YOU made the libelous statement. It is YOU who must prove the lie (or call the police as you allege a serious crime is being committed). I don't have to prove anything, especially to someone like you.

But your campaign still continues.

Why are you continually smearing them with lies and libel?

Why do you return again and again and again to spew out more smears and lies.

Why? Why are you campaigning against someone who is suffering so much? What is exactly the matter with you? What is the real motive for this?

[sarah louise]

Because I asked the person on the other end of the account, I checked it up, I determined the auditors, etc.

It would be really nice if you could share, you see WHOIS only allows me 20 full searches per hour and the registration trail is as long as your arm and pretty twisted... what's a community support forum doing registered to the ABN of a chain of holiday flats?


NOT that this has anything to do with you.

I'm not interested in donating money myself but maybe other members at can.com might... but are afraid of being scammed because of what I have said? Any tips on how they tell if the donation site is legit?


YOU made the libelous statement. It is YOU who must prove the lie (or call the police as you allege a serious crime is being committed). I don't have to prove anything, especially to someone like you.

Now this is the bit that keeps reinforcing my belief that it's both spam and scam.

Your continual focus on attacking me, your attempts to threaten me and your inferences about my motivations, plus your lack of understanding of Australian law as it pertains to individuals and corporations re defamation.

Note I don't say 'libel' that is because 'libel', like 'lawyer', are only common use terms, there is no such thing as 'committing libel' in Australian law. It was something notable about the slanging matches that went on at the end of 2004 and into 2005, drones talking legal threats that were based in US tv language against anyone that dared to suggest their motives weren't pure.

Further to your demand that I must now call the police, lol actually seeing as some of these sites are .com.au it's the Trade Practices Act that they have to worry about first.

Why bother? I gave you the floor, you could have used the opportunity to talk about Schapelle?

Aren't you looking forward to tomorrow? It's Independence Day in Indonesia and to celebrate that fact all prisoners incarcerated will be given 'presents of time' that will be deducted from their sentences. It is a quaint custom which demonstrates one of the ways time, as a concept, is very different in Indonesia.

Strangely enough for a 'muslim' country, the custom is repeated for the major religious festival of all prisoners. Schapelle, as a nominal Christian, will also get a present at Christmas, but true to the Santa tradition it will depend on whether or not she has been a good girl during the year. The Muslim prisoners will get theirs at Ramadan, I'm not sure what festival is used for Animists and Hindus.


Why? Why are you campaigning against someone who is suffering so much?

I'm not campaigning against Schapelle, just the people (family or not) who have spent the last 4/5 years feeding off her imprisonment and spreading lies about the Balinese people.


Dear Can.com,

sorry for the irritation, wont post again until I have something concrete to say about the site in question.

sara lou :hippy:

[SnSstealth]

Ok..........
I cant take reading this shit anymore. Steve, leave it alone. She knew what the penalties where taking shit to Thailand. She did it anyway. Its not up to you to tell that country their laws are ridiculous. You weren't there either. So just like ANY other court case on the fucking planet, you don't know the whole truth either.
LET IT GO!!!
You are obviously not talking any of us into donating to your cause, which I call it because I dont see any other people devoting their lives to lobbying for this greedy woman.
I spent 4 YEARS in military prison for UNDER an ounce. Wanna call congress for me? I am still trying to get compensated for that...why don't you lobby for me? Isn't 4 years for a lil pot erroneous?...My point being, my crime was committed while I was in the US Army. Because of that, I fell under the UCMJ, not the constitution, so I KNEW the laws were much more stringent for military than cilvilian. BUT.....I did it anyway.
You have come new on to this site, and shit on alot of people. Quit flaming our site about a pitiful girl who made bad choices and has to live with em...If I didn't know any better, the way you are acting about this shit tells me you dont give a shit whether she gets out or dies...just whether we send money....you work for this "save Corby" foundation? How much of what people send do you get to keep?
whiskeytango


no one on here is committing libel, further proving your ignorance, just stop talking already...please...maybe you should just go to ICmag or some other site with this shit because it obviously back fired on you here....

[FakeBoobsRule]

Now this is just funny. It's like a bad episode of L.A. Law or Boston Legal...Sue Sue Sue Sue Sue!

And they say Americans are litigious. I guess not.:clap:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldvhUgnuKYc

[illnillinois]

i wish there would of been more pics.. i started from the OP and lost it after the first page.. seemed to only be 3 or 4 people who were conversing..

*FBR newspaper thing was funny..

[sarah louise]

the green didnt work

[sarah louise]

Schapelle Corby is not in Thailand.

Bali is an island within the nation state of Indonesia.

[SteveV]

I'll summarize for you Illnillinous. I posted about this terrible case and was immediately accused of being a spammer, in the most flippant and unpleasant of ways.

Smears and libel followed, as 'sarah louise' posted again and again to campaign against Schapelle Corby, who is suffering in prison for a barbaric 20 years. Some of the abuse is sickening to read.

Not a hint of sympathy at all. Not a hint of compassion. Nothing. Just smears and innuendo against her family, who are also suffering. Others chip in with smart arsed comments: again, no compassion, no sympathy, almost relish.

Of course, nothing on the show trial is ever mentioned: the refusal to test the drugs, the burning of the evidence and so on.

You wonder why I ask about motive? Because I have never ever encountered such a nasty campaign. Such clearly vindictive posts. Such twisting of the facts, and downright lies in an effort to harm someone suffering. What do YOU imagine the motive is?

It truly is horrible to read.

[daihashi]

I'll summarize for you Illnillinous. I posted about this terrible case and was immediately accused of being a spammer, in the most flippant and unpleasant of ways.

Smears and libel followed, as 'sarah louise' posted again and again to campaign against Schapelle Corby, who is suffering in prison for a barbaric 20 years. Some of the abuse is sickening to read.

Not a hint of sympathy at all. Not a hint of compassion. Nothing. Just smears and innuendo against her family, who are also suffering. Others chip in with smart arsed comments: again, no compassion, no sympathy, almost relish.

Of course, nothing on the show trial is ever mentioned: the refusal to test the drugs, the burning of the evidence and so on.

You wonder why I ask about motive? Because I have never ever encountered such a nasty campaign. Such clearly vindictive posts. Such twisting of the facts, and downright lies in an effort to harm someone suffering. What do YOU imagine the motive is?

It truly is horrible to read.

Stop acting like you're a victim. Just about no one here supports her. She broke international Law; something that just about NOBODY in this community supports as it's counter productive for our cause.

Why don't you go lay your sympathies with smugglers who bring cannabis across the border from mexico or some other country.

A drug smuggler is a drug smuggler is a drug smuggler.

That's all she is in the end. She receives ZERO sympathy.

[SteveV]

The lack of sympathy here is obvious. That's fine: you have to address with your own consiences about that.

However, there is a difference between not supporting her, and campaigning zealously against her. It is the latter that I find so utterly disgusting and appalling.

Equally however, making statements like "She broke international Law" - that is opinion not fact. I, and many many others, believe her to be innocent.

She did not get a proper trial. They burned the evidence. They refused to test it. The sentence - FFS. I could go on and on.

You can turn a blind eye to all that. That's up to you. I, however, will continue to support her. I will also continue to ask questions about the real motives of those who aren't just passive in their anti-Schapelle opinion, but are actively seeking to cause further hurt and pain, to her and her family.

[FakeBoobsRule]

The lack of sympathy here is obvious. That's fine: you have to address with your own consiences about that.
While there may be some people here who don't have any sympathy for her, I do have some and there may be others but I don't think anyone here has as much sympathy as you do. They aren't bad people if they don't and I'm sure every one here will sleep well with no guilty conscious.


Equally however, making statements like "She broke international Law" - that is opinion not fact. I, and many many others, believe her to be innocent.
Ok, she was found guilty of drug trafficing. That's a fact.


She did not get a proper trial. They burned the evidence.
Thank God someone burned the pot. :S2::rasta:

I will also continue to ask questions about the real motives of those who aren't just passive in their anti-Schapelle opinion, but are actively seeking to cause further hurt and pain, to her and her family.

You have got to be kidding right? I know you can't be serious that this discussion is causing her family and her more pain? Does she get internet in jail? Is her family aware of this site? Even so, I'm sure they have heard all this before. The trama this must be causing....It's enough to have to light up a joint!

[sarah louise]

Lucky Schapelle Corby and lucky Renae Lawrence, they got 3 and 4 months (respectively) off their 20 year sentences for drug smuggling to celebrate Indonesian Independence Day.



Others weren't so lucky... Scott Rush, Myuran Sukumaran and Andrew Chan didn't get a present because they have been sentenced to die and nobody gets presents on death row. :(

[SnSstealth]

However, there is a difference between not supporting her, and campaigning zealously against her. It is the latter that I find so utterly disgusting and appalling.

Equally however, making statements like "She broke international Law" - that is opinion not fact. I, and many many others, believe her to be innocent.

I will also continue to ask questions about the real motives of those who aren't just passive in their anti-Schapelle opinion, but are actively seeking to cause further hurt and pain, to her and her family.

Really?! "We are campaigning zealously:S4:" against her by responding to YOUR campaign for her? News flash, YOU dont know that she isn't a smuggler any more than we do know...and again, you have yet to answer the question poised to you about what gave you the right to say that THAT countries laws are unjust? Then why did she do it? Or be in the position to be accused of it?
You are just as guilty of a "zealot" as you are accusing people....
Leave it alone...
Your cause is dead here...
take diashi's advice, and go get some smugglers sympathy, your not getting ours....
WT

[SteveV]

Ok, she was found guilty of drug trafficing. That's a fact.

Nearly there. She was found guilty of a drug trafficing offence via a disgraceful show trial, rather than a fair trial. She never had a chance.



I know you can't be serious that this discussion is causing her family and her more pain.

What is causing them pain are those who collectively smear and libel them, time and time again. Those who conduct the most vicious nasty campaign against them.

Mrs Corby's daughter is suffering horribly: and we have people attacking her, abusing her, and making up downright lies.

That is sickening and vile.

[SnSstealth]

That is sickening and vile.
Shit man you dont get it....LEAVE if you dont like it. But next time YOU post something on a forum, YOU should get ready for some responses that are both for and against your "zealot" cause....
WT

[sarah louise]

She never had a chance.

Where on earth could anyone turn up at customs with this in their luggage and not go to jail for 20 years?

[SteveV]

Where on earth could anyone turn up at customs with this in their luggage and not go to jail for 20 years?

The venimous vile campaign continues.... just won't let it go. It's extremely ugly.

Back to the motive again... what makes someone do this? What makes them go after someone suffering so much already?


BTW: 20 years for a few pounds of dope? Only dodgy regimes do that. Especially on the back of a show trial, with a so-called judge who had never acquitted a defendent in over 500 drug cases. And I could go on and on, but some people's hatred of Schapelle makes them blind to facts like these.

[sarah louise]

Back to the motive again... what makes someone do this?

Does a credible website have an about page like this?

[SteveV]

Does a credible website have an about page like this?

Credible? Some non-internet guy has probably worked hard to create that website. And you try to use his efforts to 'prove' a vile libelous allegation? Pathetic.

It is frankly disgusting and foul. Grabbing anything in sight, twisting it, lying, making stuff up - anything at all just to campaign against someone suffering in jail. I hope genuine people on here are reading all these many scurrilous posts closely, and learning about your nature. You must have a pretty sad life if this is how you get your kicks.

[sarah louise]

Credible? Some non-internet guy has probably worked hard to create that website. And you try to use his efforts to 'prove' a vile libelous allegation? Pathetic.

Steve that is the about page for freeschapelle (.com.au) that's the site with the paypal links that you reckon is genuine. It's not run by a noob, the site is registered to QLD business man, Neville Wright (long time beater of the Corby drum, but of course in no way associated with 'the family').

I thought you said you got in contact with the person at the other end?

Don't tell me you read this on the front page and were convinced?

[SteveV]

I took the trouble to make contact and to verify certain things. I have no intention of providing ANY information to you at all though, whose foul objective is all so clear. If you think there is anything dodgy: do call the police. Do it. Go on. Call them. You are in Aussie: call them and tell them.

Smears, libel, lies in post after post after post. Where does it stop? What drives it? Why?

I think you need some sort of medical help. You cannot see that this is some sort of vendetta? That you have a problem? Your pure hatred obviously drives you to this, but seriously: get help. Your mates here go in to autopilot and slag me off, but you really do need to look closely at your behaviour and its root cause.

[sarah louise]

In 2005 the allegations that monies raised in the name of Schapelle Corby were being misappropriated to such an extent as to shut down the family's support site dontshootschapelle dot com.

This is the text of the notice that still stands on the 'donate' page of that site.

Thank you

Schapelle's family have decided to suspend all fundraising activity pending an imminent announcement from their new legal advisers.

Thank you for all those who have already donated. Approximately $12,000 (subject to foreign exchange fees on payments from foreign currencies) has been raised. A full report is here, so that you can verify your donation has been recorded.

Please remember - do NOT make payments into any bank account advertised through the internet. You can not be sure that such payments will reach Schapelle and her family.

If you have received money from other people for the benefit of Schapelle Corby, we would encourage you to either return it or contact Schapelle's family using the contact form

Queries about your donation?

If you have a query about a donation you have made, please use our contact form - select the option "Query about donations". You can also ring the phone number on that page.
Are we a registered charity?

This web site has been collecting donations for the benefit of Schapelle Corby. All monies received have been held in an appropriate trust account while we await specific details of the legal entity receiving the donations.

Once Schapelle's lawyers have established an appropriate and registered legal entity, details will be published on this site.

Refund policy

Card holders who have made payments and donations through the internet do have certain legal rights. If you have made a donation and feel you would now like a refund, you are encouraged to contact us using our contact form.

[SteveV]

Yes indeed. People have been trying to rip the Corbys off for years. Sites emerged to 'raise funds' which never got anywhere near to Schapelle or her family.

They found that one and issued statements to try to stop it.

They set up the one at freeschapelle.com.au as an official audited one.

And guess what: 'sarah louise' even trys to use that to beat them with. Nice eh? Disgusting.

This is a poor family. They had no experience of law, no fancy lawyers, nothing. They had to learn as they went along. They have been ripped off, conned, smeared, the lot. They are only trying to help their daughter.

I pray that they never have to read some of the filth written about them in this thread: the libel, the accusations, the lies.

Whatever they do, someone distorts it and hits them with it. This is a great example.

Some people have no schame: no consience.

[SteveV]

I hope people will read all "sarah louise's" posts on this thread. How she starts off calling me a spammer as soon as I post. Then the libel about the family. Then one thing after another. Dozens of posts: the smears, the lies, the twisting and turning.

I have never encountered anything like this in my life. I have seen some pretty horrible vendettas over the years, but never against some poor woman locked in a cell for 20 years on the basis of a trial that has more holes in it that Blackburn, Lancashire.

Before you automatically attack me: think about it. Ask yourself why? I am some guy in England who feels sick about what I have learned has happened to Schapelle Corby. I will try to help her. You may not agree with me, but there we are. But ask yourself what motive drives "sarah louise" and her vendetta? I find it horrible.

[sarah louise]

I have never encountered anything like this in my life.

Really? You've never encountered someone who just doesn't back down because you threaten them? Well if you're planning a crusade as a Corby fanboy, I'm sure you'll meet someone like me everywhere you go that you post those bullshit links :jointsmile:

[SteveV]

Sad. Very sad.

[illnillinois]

I'll summarize for you Illnillinous. I posted about this terrible case and was immediately accused of being a spammer, in the most flippant and unpleasant of ways.

Smears and libel followed, as 'sarah louise' posted again and again to campaign against Schapelle Corby, who is suffering in prison for a barbaric 20 years. Some of the abuse is sickening to read.

Not a hint of sympathy at all. Not a hint of compassion. Nothing. Just smears and innuendo against her family, who are also suffering. Others chip in with smart arsed comments: again, no compassion, no sympathy, almost relish.

Of course, nothing on the show trial is ever mentioned: the refusal to test the drugs, the burning of the evidence and so on.

You wonder why I ask about motive? Because I have never ever encountered such a nasty campaign. Such clearly vindictive posts. Such twisting of the facts, and downright lies in an effort to harm someone suffering. What do YOU imagine the motive is?

It truly is horrible to read.


As i stated in the other thread about this person, its a sad thing anyone of any gender, religion, color, etc is doing time in any country for Marijuana..
But after seeing the pics, i doesn't appear like it was placed by the local LEO's
.They wouldn't have used a vacuum resealable bag, it would of been wrapped up like a brick of the devil dandruff.. And 9lbs extra in a body board would be a noticeable change in weight..
Its a horrible thing to see a 16-29 year old :rastasmoke: in prison for 16-50 years for having a :baggy:., where a :stoned: is out in 3-5 days.. but race, gender, shouldn't play a part.. It happens and will continue to happen til the world wakes up.. but dont go to a spot like her destin.. and expect any mercy

[FakeBoobsRule]

It is sad, very sad that SteveV lacks the ability or maturity to debate a topic without attacking those who he is debating and accusing them of lying or slander or not having feeling or whatever.

I've had it with your little insults at everyone who disagrees with you or calling them liars with no merit. You have almost 30 posts in this thread and they are really of no substance whatsoever. It's like arguing with a 5 year. I'm sure if I let this go on you will resort to making fun of people's mothers. But I'm not goin to let it. This is your last warning to stop attacking people constantly on here SteveV. Granted this thread has been very heated but no one is nearly as condescending or confrontational as you or trying to start a fight by baiting people with insults like you are. Quit accusing people of defamtion. If you can't do this and debate a subject like an adult then I am going to ban you from the site. Your first post did look like it could have been spam so get over that too. Last warning Steve play nice or go home. BTW we have a saying in America, it goes you win more friends with honey than vinegar. Do you understand?

I'm curious, are you related to her because you seem to be taking this personally.

I looked at some more stuff about Corby. It looks like half of her family has a history of drug dealing. Her former lawyer has said some pretty damning things about her now. She has witnesses that support her story as well as witnesses who say she is a drug dealer. These are just a few of the things I found which there was so much reading I just stopped because you'll see why at the end. She wrote a book and the Australian government froze the proceeds because as a criminal you can't profit from your crimes. It looks like she has no legal options left besides a pardon or clemency from the ruler of Bali. Why make contributions when money for legal aid is going to do her no good now?

You have succeeded in changing my opinion of Corby Steve; however probably not the way you hoped for. After reading all this bitterness from you Steve, it makes me care less now what happenes to her and I'll be telling people that I don't think too highly of some of her supporters.

[PlantHeadJ]

I read this whole thing from the cover. If you (Steve) had just found the video, what got you so hot? You could of persued this as an adult but you instantly started throwing insults and threats. I do wonder what your real agenda is and how much you stand to profit from this. Anybody who just came across a video would not be so aggressive that they would threaten legal action against somebody for their opinion. That is where you give away the secret that all your dogs aren't barking. That means you are dim at best. That was for clarification, do not call your lawyer, or I will call Superman! Maybe you should spend your time writing letters to Bali, CNN, BBC, or any other media outlet. Trying to rob money from people on the internet is a crime too you know. So in closing I will say that not knowing a thing about this case, I do now, and you Sir are directly to blame for me never giving this case another thought. Surely not a dime. Maybe you should look in the mirror and figure out who you really are.
Peace

[sarah louise]

steveV, steveZ, maxx99 none of them are getting much support from the online ganja communities... but can.com seems to be the only one where he has gone into meltdown.

maybe he couldn't handle one more rebuff :(

[RobPA]

Steve man bottom line you arent helping the situation by being a dick and threatening lawsuits. I will always continue to support Ms. Corby because the way evidence was handled and the fact that Indonesian law is barberic and government corrupt. All the sectarian issues undermined political and economic stability of that country. There are so many cases of human rights abuses in Indonesia its sickening. Steve, stop giving her supporters a bad name man, you really arent making us look good.

[SteveV]

I start a thread and am instantly attacked. I respond, and then the smears and downright lies start.

It becomes pointless: because whatever I say is just ignored. The venimous campaign from "sarah louise" continues, with one false allegation after another (and why would someone post dozens of foul messages against the Corbys if they weren't driven by something?).

Yet no-one looks at her conduct and wonders why. I guess its because she is one of your own.

Sure: I feel strongly about someone suffering like that. That's what drives me. Why don't you ask yourselves why drives her?

[SteveV]

BTW: A debate isn't a debate when points made by one side are just ignored, and the other just seeks to open new channels of attack through totally false claims.

This woman is in jail on the basis of a shocking show trial. That is what the thread is about. They refused to test the evidence and then burned it. The so-called judge has never acquitted in over 500 drug cases.

These are the issues which are core: the issues for debate.

Ignored.

Why? Because they are facts. It is easier for those with dubious motives to steer well clear of them, and make foul accusations about the family. And then somehow I am presented as the bad guy, for shunning the tangents and trying to keep the thread on topic.

[sarah louise]

You know Steve, I think it's working... I'm starting to feel sorry for Schapelle.

Schapelle doesn't deserve to have conspiracy fanboys using her name to grandstand their stupidity.

I'm wondering Steve... why didn't you go ballistic when people called your post spam in other forums? You've been doing this for a few weeks now and I'm not the only person who has called it spam. But I am the only one you seem to have your knickers twisted about. Why keep coming back?

You're not exactly value adding to Schapelle's credibility.

[SnSstealth]

BTW: A debate isn't a debate when points made by one side are just ignored, and the other just seeks to open new channels of attack through totally false claims.

This woman is in jail on the basis of a shocking show trial. That is what the thread is about. They refused to test the evidence and then burned it. The so-called judge has never acquitted in over 500 drug cases.

These are the issues which are core: the issues for debate.

Ignored.

Why? Because they are facts. It is easier for those with dubious motives to steer well clear of them, and make foul accusations about the family. And then somehow I am presented as the bad guy, for shunning the tangents and trying to keep the thread on topic.

really?


I think you need some sort of medical help. You cannot see that this is some sort of vendetta? That you have a problem? Your pure hatred obviously drives you to this, but seriously: get help. Your mates here go in to autopilot and slag me off, but you really do need to look closely at your behaviour and its root cause.

wow...seems like you need some of your own advise.

BTW... (if it were a legit trial) how much time do you think you'd get in your or any country when trafficking 9 pounds into there country?

BTW2... youre actually lucky this thread wasnt shut down immediately. it seems the rules do not allow talk of smuggling...


More specific rules that appear elsewhere on the site and you might have missed
Other subjects we do NOT discuss here include:
-Other criminal activity. This includes but is not limited to: Smuggling, theft, violence, dealing, taking cannabis on public transportation.

...and with that I ask for this thread to be closed. it is a violation to have someone support a smuggler on this site.

db:smokin:

[SteveV]

Here we go again: yet another tangent, yet another steer away from the real issues. More smears (against me this time) rather than on-topic debate. Pathetic.


They refused to test the evidence. Why would a real court do that? If she really did it, hey, her prints and DNA might be on it!

And hey, the drugs might just have been from Aussie rather than an Indonesian plant!

So why not test them as Schapelle asked? Why not? They could have nailed her, surely!

But they KNEW her prints could not be there and the drugs were not imported.

And so they burned them instead.


The issues. Remember them?

When you can't argue with them, it is a lot easier to smear people, isn't it?

[daihashi]

Here we go again: yet another tangent, yet another steer away from the real issues. More smears (against me this time) rather than on-topic debate. Pathetic.


They refused to test the evidence. Why would a real court do that? If she really did it, hey, her prints and DNA might be on it!

And hey, the drugs might just have been from Aussie rather than an Indonesian plant!

So why not test them as Schapelle asked? Why not? They could have nailed her, surely!

But they KNEW her prints could not be there and the drugs were not imported.

And so they burned them instead.


The issues. Remember them?

When you can't argue with them, it is a lot easier to smear people, isn't it?

If this case is as corrupt as you say then you should think about this logically.

It is VERY VERY easy to transfer fingerprints, and with that transfer comes skin oil which would have her DNA on it. I suspect even if they did test it you would call them out on tampering with evidence or something.

Everyone here is tired of listening to your ranting.

[SnSstealth]

Here we go again: yet another tangent, yet another steer away from the real issues. More smears (against me this time) rather than on-topic debate. Pathetic.


They refused to test the evidence. Why would a real court do that? If she really did it, hey, her prints and DNA might be on it!

And hey, the drugs might just have been from Aussie rather than an Indonesian plant!

So why not test them as Schapelle asked? Why not? They could have nailed her, surely!

But they KNEW her prints could not be there and the drugs were not imported.

And so they burned them instead.


The issues. Remember them?

When you can't argue with them, it is a lot easier to smear people, isn't it?

ok on the issue of "the drugs might just have been from Aussie rather than an Indonesian plant!"

I, right now, have strains from afganistan, north america and some equatorial varieties ALL in the same spot growing. And for you to some reason think ANYONE would be able to detect the nationality of origin by the plant, strain, or anything else for that matter is ridiculous.

theres an issue i await your response:thumbsup:

[SteveV]

I try to discuss ISSUES (again): yet again I am accused - this time of "ranting". Perhaps you should read the words I actually input and put your prejudice away.


Easy to transfer fingerprints? You've been watching too many James Bond movies. It isn't easy at all, and the probability of that regime having the ability to do it is almost zero.


"And for you to some reason think ANYONE would be able to detect the nationality of origin by the plant, strain, or anything else for that matter is ridiculous. "

You are displaying a serious lack of knowledge again. Forensic testing for origin is well established. It is business as usual for many labs.

Every territory has a unique blend of flora and pollen. It is almost impossible to extract this from a consignment. This would be the first and easiest approach to determine whether the drugs were from Indonesia or Aussie.


Again: if they thought she did it, they would have had these basic tests performed. Regardless of Schapelle asking for the tests, if they really thought she did it, THEY would have asked for the test! No: they would have just done the tests regardless and presented the evidence to nail her.

They KNEW the drugs were from Indoensia, just as they knew there was none of her DNA or fingerprints on them.

[SnSstealth]

ive seen two guys on a tv show in a work shop defeat three different fingerprint technologies with very simple tools ie. tape used to fool an electronic scanning door lock. no lames bond, all very practical. you dont think that this ultra attacking government couldnt come up with something? (and no i dont believe everything i see on tv, so no need to go there)

ill give you the pollen thing as I had not thought of that. point steveV

db:smokin:

[SnSstealth]

del

too tired to feed the troll anymore

db:smokin:

[Weedhound]

Steve is banned FINALLY so can we close this ridiculous thread now?

[illnillinois]

nope, not til the fat lady sings!!!

[Weedhound]

Ninety-nine bottles of beer on the wall.....
Nintey nine bottles of beer.....
take one down......


:D :D :D

[psychocat]

The drugs weren't tested for fingerprints OOOOOOOHHHH

As an ex-smuggler I know one of the first rules is never handle the merchandise without gloves. :thumbsup:

I could give you a few lessons in it if it wasn't a banned subject.
I got caught many years ago (1999) , I lost my liberty for 18 months , I lost 2 homes in Holland and the contents of 3 bank accounts amounting to over £270,000 because they were deemed "proceeds of crime".
I took the risk I paid the price, so did miss Corby.

Indonesian weed planted in incoming luggage to an Indonesian airport is totally illogical. Why ? :wtf:
If it was Indonesian then surely it was already at it's destination ?
Please explain the logic behind that one ??

Keep talking Steve and I'll keep laughing. :thumbsup:

[painretreat]

As I already said in this thread on the subject.
http://boards.cannabis.com/legal/160170-schapelle-corby-jail-thailand-20-yrs-weed.html

Can't do the time then don't do the crime.
Some countries have extreme sentences and that's why I wouldn't dream of breaking thier laws .
You go into another mans yard then you accept his rules or pay the price.

PS you may want to adjust your attitude if you want to win folks over. :thumbsup:

No amount of attitude adjustment will change my mind however , I don't believe she did it out of any wish for better cannabis laws but simply for financial gain.
This is no idealist fighting the man , just some greedy smuggler.

Same, exactly my sentiment. I have discussed the laws of that country with extremely educated person's from it. And the first topic of social conversation were the strict laws being the reason there is no litter there! You don't visit a place and not check out the laws and punishment, if htat is your purpose for being there! People that live there know better and wait in lines to pay fines for littering. How could anyone think they are privileged to break a countries law and not be prosecuted under their laws! I was even told that certain crimes require castration and amputations of fingers (like for theft). That was in 1985. Perhaps, they aren't as severe now, but doesn't sound like it!

This is not activism, except to actively get Mr. Steve out of here. Most likely a one time beg for money! In fact, I am do not understand why the thread did not go with the ban! I will not search, but I bet, as someone said, it is on every forum you could get. Because, this is most likely a personal issue for you and there is something for you to gain from it!

We are all warned that the internet is a way for a person to part with their money to a swindler! If this is your first post on every site you went to. Alterior motive!

If I were as good as the others on this site: I'd thunbnail a picture of the beggars at the border in Mexico with a cup in their hand bugging the shit out of drivers waiting in line to return rom Mexico. Sorry, I missed Steve's avatar.

[sarah louise]

I have discussed the laws of that country with extremely educated person's from it. And the first topic of social conversation were the strict laws being the reason there is no litter there! You don't visit a place and not check out the laws and punishment, if htat is your purpose for being there! People that live there know better and wait in lines to pay fines for littering.

That would Singapore, rather than Indonesia.


I was even told that certain crimes require castration and amputations of fingers (like for theft). That was in 1985. Perhaps, they aren't as severe now, but doesn't sound like it!

No change there, Singapore still incarcerate without charge, publicly whip and humiliate law breakers (this is a country where it is a criminal offence to fail to flush a public toilet) and regularly hang both citizens and foreigners for a range of offences.

Under Singapore's morality laws a man can go to jail for wearing a bikini.

fraudulent possession of women's underwear (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/12/18/2122236.htm)

Indonesia is one of the more 'moderate' countries in the region.

[Weedhound]

Wow.....and we complain about getting a ticket for drinking and driving. USA ANY DAY!!

[PlantHeadJ]

"Schapelle doesn't deserve to have conspiracy fanboys using her name to grandstand their stupidity"

:S2::S2::S2::S2::S2::spamsign::admin1:

Just learned how to use smileys!!!

[illnillinois]

That would Singapore, rather than Indonesia.



No change there, Singapore still incarcerate without charge, publicly whip and humiliate law breakers (this is a country where it is a criminal offence to fail to flush a public toilet) and regularly hang both citizens and foreigners for a range of offences.

Under Singapore's morality laws a man can go to jail for wearing a bikini.

fraudulent possession of women's underwear (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/12/18/2122236.htm)

Indonesia is one of the more 'moderate' countries in the region.

so what I am taking from this: STAY OUT OF SINGAPORE!!!

[sarah louise]

so what I am taking from this: STAY OUT OF SINGAPORE!!!


If you fancy yourself in a pink bikini... I'd stay away from Singapore.

(or if you are inclined to spit on the pavement or drop cigarette butts, those offences will also get you thrown in a cell.)