Shov's Christmas Sativas 2008

[Shovelhandle]

I'm starting another grow log. This time I'll be doing much the same things as I've done in past grows, however it's not going to be BUBBLEGUM or anything quite like it (Afghani-indica).

I got these seeds from Holland and the UK. I started five each, AK-47 and Neville's Haze which I have put in a wet paper towel, in a sandwich baggie, in a tin, on top of my computer cable box (98ºf). The soil is from the same batch I mixed for my last grow. I will be using my (2) 40" window boxes with five plants each. Peeple say that it's NFG to put more than one plant in a pot, but I've had great results this way. The boxes do not dry out as quickly as the little pots do. I'll have them in larger containers soon anyway.

I have a 50" x 30" grow area with removable mylar reflectors on all sides. I'll be starting them under a four lamp T5HO 54W 4100K (4'). I've yet to decide on 18 hours or 24 hours. I've always done 18 hours but these sativas (or sativa dom hybrid) may like the extra light. Can anyone make a suggestion based on experience here? Thanks.

I'll post photos of the grow area when the seedlings 'pop'.

Shovelhandle

[SunnyD]

I have no info on the light situation. I've only read that people go both ways on the 18/6 vs. 24/0...which obviously isn't any help to you

But I'm susbscribing cause this sounds bomb

[Weedhound]

Shov I've gotten better results I feel generally with 18/6 but I'd say that about all cannabis plants...not just sativas.

I'm in for this one....can't wait to see some Neville's Haze grown. :thumbsup:

You know I always pegged ak47 as an indica dominant but you're right......it's pretty much sativa. We're within a few days of our first harvest of one....early finisher!!

[Puffzter]

Welcome back Shov.

I'm sure this will be yet another great log from you and I will follow it closelly.
Good luck.
You are not concidering 20/4 then by the way. Very popular photoperiod for many growers these days it seems.

Puffzter

[slayer34ny]

Nice strain selection. I dare not grow sativa's (at least pure) due to my height concerns. I would deff go 18/6. But you could go higher, and get more veg growth, and try tying/breaking/pinching tricks;)

[lunarose]

I can't help you with the lights I've never been brave enough to grow inside(G) Anyway I can't wait to watch your grow I am thinking of having a sativa or two in my next grow.

[hudson88]

Hey Shov,

Good to see your next grow starting so soon :thumbsup: Never had the pleasure of trying Neville's Haze but i've heard good things about it, as for AK-47 i'm sure you'll love it, had it a couple of years ago in the dam and it blew me away, defo one of my favourite smokes :D

I've always used 18/6 for veg too, just seems more natural than 24/0 (and since sativa's get less light in nature my gut would tell me to go for a shorter photo period) and i save a bit of electricity. How's your grow area for height? I think the AK stays reasonably short but doesn't the NH get very tall? If you've any concerns over height the shorter lights on schedule could also help restrict growth in veg so the plants finish shorter. This isn't from experience of growing sats shov, just stuff i've read, thought i'd mention it tho and maybe you could look a little more in depth at it if height was a possible issue.

Good luck, can't wait for the pics to start :rastasmoke:

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Shov,

Glad to see you starting your next grow and I am looking forward to another great log.

As for your question. You know I do some things differently than most and I use 24/0. Thing is I have never did 18/6 so I can not give you a commpairson.

My reasoning, longer light cycles= more growth time. Works for me.

BOL JG

[stinkyattic]

I also run 24/0 and that is because I can keep a steadier temperature with the constant light.
This is going to be really neat! Nevilles Haze is a classic and suits ya perfectly!

[SnSstealth]

Subscribed!!!
great strains man, and I always did 18/6, and trying 24/0 seems to actually get less growth for me...could be the LEDs or the strain though...zi thought it was that the plants could grow better with a lil sleep...just MHO, but if stinks uses 24, I may be wrong...lol
whiskeytango

nevilles is truely one of the BEST sativas out there...and metal haze...MMMM

[Shovelhandle]

looked into this a little and decided to stay 18/6. The hairy Spainiard says that the plants may not mature as quickly with 24 hrs compared to 18 of light, and not to force flower until they are mature. As the NH is known to grow tall I'd like them to mature as quickly as possible. Even so, I'll be using LST and supercropping (again) to even out the tops.

I'll check the seeds this evening and if they are ready I'll plant them. The grow area is freshly cleaned and ready to grow.

[stinkyattic]

lolololol @ 'Hairy Spainard'!!! Too funny.
Happy growin'!

[hudson88]

Just wondering about your supercropping shov, i've heard a couple of slightly different ways of doing it, how do you do yours and how deep into flower do you do it?

Cheers

e2a I know it's a little early but maybe you'd be kind enough to share your method when the time comes, i've been forced into doing some brutal supercropping recently to keep an even canopy and it's certainly been effective in that regard but i'd love to hear more on the subject.

[Weedhound]

Well hairiness aside....I run plants at 24/0 AND 18/6 and have seen no difference in how fast they grow but that's just me. Perhaps I'm not hairy enough to be giving you cannabis advice.....:D :D

[Shovelhandle]

supercropping, where you 'break the hurd' of the branches.
I don't remember exactly when, but I started lst in week 4 of veg, probably did the supercropping shortly after. One plant I did nine branches and that pheno ended up extaordinary. maybe co-inkydink maybe not. I finger-squeeze the top branches when they get a little stretchy. I do this between the top nodes.

[Shovelhandle]

not hairy enough? I bet you've got one hell of a pelt. <G>

[bickeybammer]

i cant wait to see this one shov.. it should be a good christmas for sho:rastasmoke:

[Shovelhandle]

I planted five each of AK-47 and Neville's Haze. I somehow managed to loose one Neville's Haze seed while planting. Hopefully it is in the box under the paper towel (which I use to keep the seeds from floating out of their holes and keep the soil moist on top. Usually, I'll use plastic wrap for this). I watered them in with 1 gallon of WARM water w/ one drop of Superthrive. I will hear on in be using unsoftened cold water, which I believe helps the female to male ratio.
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Here's some photos of the grow area. It is in a dark room, so no need to have a light-tight enclosure. The mylar is glued to cardboard sheets and is easily removed for watering etc. It is now set up on a sawhorse but will be dropped closer to the floor as they grow.
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The lights are set as close as possible to the planters. The temp is around 70ºF. The lights will bring this temp up during the 18 hour days. No fan until the seedlings are up and shed their hull.
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[BeFree]

Looking forward to following this one, Shov. :hippy:

Have a good one, and Be Safe.:jointsmile:

/subscribed\

[joedirte]

man, cant wait to see how that nevilles haze turnes out. from GH? nice choice.

im also just as excited to find youve made a new log, and for x mas! awsome. ive learned alot from your logs, mainly on patience. but i am a fan.

[Shovelhandle]

Thanks for tuning in. For Christmas I hope to be trying out the AK-47 and decorating the Neville's Haze. <G>

Only four or five seeds have broke ground. I was thinking that the soil temp was too high so I moved the T-5s 6" off the soil. I decided that I wanted to have a better choices when I go to cull them (remembering that my last grow was 100% feminized) So, I am starting another two seeds of each. Sorry ifn I don't make good sence, good herbs!

[zebulon]

Shov....great strains, i would love to grow some AK47....maybe next year....Good luck whit this grow...I'll be watching....:thumbsup:

[Shovelhandle]

I forgot to mention, I had new lamps delivered from HTG along with a fresh supply of nutes.
The lamps are (4) T5HO54W in the 'grow' spectrum. The cost was reasonable, $5 a lamp. I was quoted $10 at the electrical supply I deal with, so this is great.
The nutes are Technaflora, an organic nute system. Again, I bought the 'starter kit' with all the nutes for a couple of grows and includes a calmag product, clone gel, a root system feed, a carb product, two B1 formulas, the Boost, Grow and Flower formulas, and a flower suppliment - Awesome Blossoms. And as if that wasn't quite enough, I also have GH products' TopMax and Superthrive. JEES! I guess I won't need any Neptune fish/kelp emulsions for this grow.

Stay tuned, I'll post weekly pics even though the first weeks are usually not very impressive.

Thanks, Shov

[Shovelhandle]

Not much to photograph, or talk about. The seeds didn't 'pop' as quickly as usual. I had the T-5HO lamps a few inches away and the soil temp got to 95º. In teh past I used 32 watt T-8s to start the seeds. So, I did raise the lamps about 6"-8" and air the fan right across the pots. Temp went down to 80º. Surprising as the ambient is constant 70º. I guess I forgot how warm the T-5s can get. Anyway, there are 4 or five up and I added another 2 of each the other day.

On a positive note I keep getting nice buds from the curing jars. Still a few more plants that I haven't tried yet.

Shov

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Glad to hear you have a few jars left.

I am going to cut it close with my stash. I hope I don't have to go out and get some with around 8 or more weeks to go in my grow.

Good catch on on the pots getting to warm, that could of been a bummer of a mistake.

JG

[painretreat]

Subscribed, as usual! Look forward to your holiday gro's. The info comes thru and it is nice to know you are enjoying your prev. gro while doing it. I am afraid I'll screw up, if I toke and talk! Understand you well.

Christmas in Vermont, I think that is a movie, without any plants in it, tsk!

Hope you get lots of hairy nugs! pr:jointsmile:

[danish]

This looks nice, i envy your setup a bit i must admit.

Good luck with the new ladies im outs for bed...

[jakezking]

I've tasted some AK47 grown by a friend of mine, and I know you will have much success with it too. I am also interested in following your NH - I've got a Colombian Red Haze out by the pool; it's a cross of Colombian Red with NH. It's about 16 days into veg now, and I feel certain I will have to create an indoor setup into which to bring it so it will be able to finish. She is a long, lean gal, but that 20% THC content is too dang tempting to pass up. I know you will do great things with your NH. Take good care up there, my friend!

[lunarose]

You are definitely going to have a nice and sticky Christmas this year(G) AK47 is on my too long "strains I want to try" list. I have always been intimidated by the idea od an indoor grow but you and others do make it look so easy.

[Shovelhandle]

This morning I planted the last 3 of each kind of seeds. So, that will be all ten of each AK-47 and Neville's Haze. I had that heat problem early on that boiled a few of the sprouts before they cound even break the soil. But now I at least have a few of each looking very nice and healthy. If I can get these six to grow I should have plenty to cull some males and still have a full house. Hopefully, I will be able to keep a couple of nice males to seed a bud or two for future grows. I will try and get a photo up on Wednesday.

Shovel

Hey Danish, What about the set-up do you like? It's cardboard sheets with shiny mylar and covers about a meter² area. Pretty small area but decent kinds should produce 400-500gm/meter². And cultivation can be a heavy rap.

[danish]

It just looks nice and clean i like that ...

But mostly its your plants ;)

[Shovelhandle]

Thanks, Me too, I like a clean work area. it's easy to take down and re-arrange and clean. The panels are hung by wires and the light fixtures are hung with chain and are easily adjusted up and down. Plus, it doesn't look like a 'grow op', especially when it's broken down, which can be done in a minute.

Shov

[danish]

Yea we just have a room with hooks which holds lamps and then we place buckets in bottoms to allow runthrough...

But im seriously considering building some kind of little private project for 1-2 plants...

Think i can push a "church" inside a fullsize tower casing for a computer ?
(its aprox. 45x60x100cm)

Anyways i think your gonna have a jolly good christmas with that load coming in keep it up and ill keep watching your nice ladies...

[Shovelhandle]

I was really impressed when one guy here did produce 2 ozs of bud in a PC case. It was just last year, I think. So, you might check into his grow log. It was posted on this log forum.

[danish]

I am building a PC case growbox just to see if i can, but i'd rather have room for a setup like yours so i can nurse for my plants instead, but im looking forward to seeing this grow get underway

[Shovelhandle]

A few plants are up and thriving, I expect (hope) that the three of each seeds I planted early this week will pop. For now we see four of each (one didn't show in the photo, bleached out, I guess).

Them in their boxes, Haze in front, AK in behind.
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Close-up of the AK
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Close-up of the Neville's Haze
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I'll be out of town all next week so no updates until the following weekend. :smokin:

[Shovelhandle]

Two more AK-47 up this morning. 6-AK, 4 Haze. so far.

[painretreat]

Purdy! Have a nice trip! pr :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[zebulon]

Looking good Shov....:thumbsup:
When do you plan to transplant?? and how you gonna separate em??

[jakezking]

Shov, you've got quite the eye and camera! Those are some mighty perty pictures there! And, you have some mighty fine seedlings to take pictures of. It's always interesting to see how some absolutely take off, while others take a bit longer to catch up. I wonder if it was just a sweet spot in the soil, or if that particular bean's genetics provided it a quicker start.

Enjoy your weekend, my friend! I'm looking forward to your return and update!

[Shovelhandle]

Hey Elvis,
The seedlings are of different ages, man. I started with 5 of each. It was too hot and killed some so I tried 2 more, then the last 3 of each. So, maybe I'll have a couple more pop if I'm lucky. I hope that I can at least have two of each to grow out (females). I'll fill the area whether it's four plants or, like last grow, a dozen.


Zeb,
I'll transplant next weekend, probably. No problems with separating, rally. I've used these boxes quite a few times. I like how they can hold moisture for longer periods than small pots. I take as much soil with the roots as possible. If two seedlings are close and the roots have to be cut a bit it's no problem. I'll be going to 6"-8" pots.

[jakezking]

Shov, I thought 4 of your 5 made it, and that those on the left side of your box were of the same age - my bad. They look mahvelous regardless! I looked back at some "closed room" thread the other day, and that guy planted in 1 big box, and would simply dissect the box for transplanting, cutting squares around the plants, and invariably cutting roots in the process. He had an amazing grow, so it looks like, as you said, you will have no problems even if you have to cut a bit of root.

Enjoy your weekend, my friend! Aloha - Elvis has left the building....

[Weedhound]

Well the few kids I see there look pretty happy! Sorry to hear about your issues Shov. :(

[Shovelhandle]

LOL No problems, I've not fooled myself into thinking that I'm anything special and can't still make mistakes. I have had 100% germination rates in the past and last grow was 100% females and all produced top quality bud. But this experience wasn't anything I'm disappointed in. I have 50% rate after friggin it up with the lights too close. Not bad for these seeds, that didn't look as robust as the seed stock I've been working with. The freebees I got, Sweet Bud, are puny little seeds. I've not done anything with these three yet, though I gave away 5 of the ten I had.

Thanks for the kind words though, Weedhound. You're a sweet bud yourself. :cool:


Been out of town to Ohio, WV, NY this week. Just got in and transplanted the seedlings into larger pots. Man, the larger plants (and they are getting stout) had roots across the whole bottom of the boxes. I'll try and get some photos up soon.

Have a great weekend, All, especially us Yanks celebrating Labor Day.

Shovel

[veggii]

shov alright! a christmas bud log. I also like your Idea pasting the mylar too cardboard simple easy & cheap I have been tryin too figure something like that out for mine. care if I use your Idea? LoL I wanted too know a bit more about maturation before sending to flower. i have a few sativas about 4-5 wks was thinkin about flippn em into flower,but reading that made me think hmm "damn I'm such a noob" ya HTG T5's rock!! got 16 shipped/tax out the door under $100$ and they do get hot(warm). oh crap forgot where/what I was sayin anyhow good luck and 'll stop back by if thats okey ;)

:hippy: :hippy: :hippy: :hippy: :hippy:

[lunarose]

Oh I like your mylars pasted to cardboard idea too....you should patent it(G) The babies that popped are looking all pretty in pink.

[Shovelhandle]

Alrighty now, here's some pics at week three. If you've read the beginning of this you'd know that these plants are different ages from one to three weeks old, right, Elvis? <G>


These are the AK 47 plants, you can't see but under the broad leaves of the older plants are many branches with little leaves already.
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Here's the four Neville's Haze seedlings. I do hope that I don't loose any of these as four are not very many to work with. I'll be very careful when I start to feed these.
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Thanks for the props on the cardboard, I don't think it's exactly 'sliced bread' but it's simple and very easy to work with also.

As far as flipping at five weeks, many experts say if you're growing from seed to make sure the plant is mature before going to bloom cycle. When the nodes change from opposite to alternating that signals maturity. For clones you could start right off with 12-12 as soon as they root. I did cut my veg cycle short to six weeks last grow with no bad effects though.

Sho

[dooobster]

I'm subscribed. This is gonna be good.
They look great, Shov. Rock on!

[theish420]

can't wait to see how that neville's haze turns out, i hear it's fucking killer. Ditto on the cardboard and mylar, im thinking of doing it on my next grow.

[painretreat]

Back and still looking real purdy!!! Both stood the test of abstinance--glad you are back and plants still look well!! Continued, 'free' subscription!!lol PR :thumbsup:

[Shovelhandle]

I think that's friggin great that folks here advising us are showing up big time.

Shov

[McToker]

Sign me up too. I'm anxious to see how those strains do, especially the Neville's haze indoors.

We just starting to look into seed varieties to try on our next grow. I can't think of a more appropriate thread since our seed purchase will be a Christmas present to ourselves.

[Shovelhandle]

Thanks for tunin' in.
I may have had a notion of a strategy for this grow but I think I forget it. At least for now. :)

ok, now when I remember all that I will post it!

[BigWeed]

Im coming along for this ride. Hey shov what type of glue did you use to glue that mylar to the cardboard. I think I want to try it out. I got a roll of mylar laying around I dont use because its hard to clean. I think doing it your way it'll be easier to clean.:rasta::rastasmoke::pimp:

[Shovelhandle]

whatever glue. I used Elmer's paste, my bro in law used some spray. Shit, you could staple it, pin it, it doesn't matter what as long as it doesn't stink when it dries (jellyfish glue, for example) <G>

[Shovelhandle]

Neville's Haze
Greenhouse Seeds

Neville's Haze was the first prize winner of the Seed Company HTCC in 1998. This is a plant for a true enthusiast and connoisseur.

Pedigree: Almost pure Haze

Strength: Very strong cerebral high, a true connoisseur choice.

THC: 21.0%

CBD: 1.1%

CBN: 0.2%

Flowering Time: Indoors: 12 to 14 weeks / Outdoors: In the Northern hemisphere it is expected to be ready by late October while in the Southern one by the end of April.

Yield (Indoors): 450 gr/sqm


AK47 Marijuana Seeds (Serious Seeds)
AK47 seeds from the breeder Serious Seeds, is an easy to grow plant and the most popular from the Serious Seeds range. It is of medium height and produces good yields quite quickly.

Extremely STRONG odor and smoke. Take extra care with odor control when growing near neighbors. The name was given not out of any idea of violence, but more in association with the â??one hit wonderâ?? that the smoke is. Quality without compromise makes AK47 suitable for commercial grows or home use.

These plants have a short flowering period for a sativa, producing compact, not too leafy buds that gleam with a coat of resin crystals.

AK47 is a Cannabis Cup Winner 8 times!!! Including second prize for the Best Sativa in the 1999 and 2003 High Times Cannabis Cup, proving it is a favorite to smoke as well as to grow.

Indoor / Outdoor: Suitable for indoor and outdoor growing
Plant Type: Mostly Sativa
Flowering Weeks: 7-9 Indoor
Yield: 350 - 500 grams/m2 Indoor
Harvest Month: Mid to end Oct
Indoor clone grow time: 5 - 10 days

AK47: Cannabis Cup and Awards
2003: 2nd - High Times Cannabis Cup (Sativa Cup)
1999: 2nd - High Times Cannabis Cup (Sativa Cup)
1996: 3rd - High Times Cannabis Cup (Hydro Cup)
1994: 3rd - High Times Cannabis Cup (Overall)
1994: 2nd - High Times Cannabis Cup (Hydro Cup)

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

yeah those are some very high quality strains shov. The Neville's haze is a bit pricey. I've smoked the ak-47 and it was very sticky stinky stinky beautiful bright green and def one of my favorite smokes of all. It really is a one hit wonder and doesn't leave you crashed on the couch all day. I may just have to get some seeds in the very near future. I'm subscribed and can't wait to see how these girls turn out. Good luck buddy


gmornn

[Shovelhandle]

I'll sure try and do it right. Everything will be much the same as my last grow...except the strains are much different. I'll be careful feeding them, the haze especially.

[Weedhound]

You know Shov a good spray or ointment on those "issues" works pretty well.. :D

Wow, you REALLY study up your strains. I'm impressed. :thumbsup:

[Shovelhandle]

:-0

[painretreat]

Once again, thank you Shove for taking the time to share so much with and us and give me the learnin' ! Your Roc!! :thumbsup: :hippy:

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Shove,

I am starting to think of strains for my next grow. Bubblegum Is one of the strains I am concidering. I know it is not in this log but I was wondering where you got the seeds from?

Thanks JG

[Shovelhandle]

Local hook up. I had clones from a commercial pot dealer and then he got hot and split but left a bag of seeds, which I abused (planted by the 100s and gave many away) and no longer have any. I did inbreed a couple of plants for my own seeds though. I'm sure the Serious Seeds genetics are great. I may even get some myself sometime.

[Weedhound]

In studying your Neville's Haze info.....I have 3 "foundation" haze plants going in soil right now. They are unsexed but I hope to get at least one female from the group.

[Shovelhandle]

I'm hoping for a nice female too. I only have four NH. They are looking very good. Five of the six AKs are looking fine also.

[Weedhound]

I've found the AK's to be pigs.....could not tell you about the NH since mine were crosses but I certainly did appreciate the buzz from them! Turned me into a complete haze fan so I'll be very interested in your NH's.

[Shovelhandle]

Yup, I understand that they are good 'eaters'
I think the plan may be to fill my vessel with the fert solution, use 75% of it on the AK, then fill back up to 2/3 full with water and feed the Neveille's Haze. Adjust from there. I water twice to every one feeding. Right now it's every three days or more and only a little over one gallon. Later on with more mature plants and 5-6 gallon pails it's more like 4 gallons every two days.

[Shovelhandle]

Week four. Plants do not seem to be transpiring very much water. I water generously and four days later they are all still pretty wet. I was used to 4 gallons every two days while flowering the last grow. Now I'm using about one gallon every five days. The temp is 80º. Some plants have a little yellowing, due to the wet condition. I'm letting them dry out before I water again, but they are looking pretty good though. I have a couple of midgets, that happens. I'm also running an exhaust fan today as the grow room temp is warmer than outdoors, so exhausting the grow room air will pull in fresh outdoor air.

Here's the AK-47s
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Here's the Neville's Haze
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[Shovelhandle]

Plants dried out pretty well. I had to water as I'm going away for a couple of days so I fed them the Technaflora vegative stage nutes;
B.C Boost
B.C Grow
Thrive Alive B-1 Red
MagiCal
SugarDaddy

The AKs got the recommended strength and the Haze got 1/3 strength. I also foliar sprayed with B-1 Green with a drop of dish detergent.

Five of the six AKs were FIMed, one had to be LSTed so it wouldn't grow into the light while I'm gone.

Except for one small AK all the plants are thriving. :)

Shov

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Looking good Shove:thumbsup:

That one AK is a real runt, it is dwarfed by the others, she looks like 2 weeks behind untill you enlarge the picture. Maybe she will turn just turn into one giant bud:rastasmoke:

JG

[Shovelhandle]

There are plants that are two weeks behind the others. I've mentioned that in previous posts. I just use 'week four' now relating to the first beans I planted. Check out the first photos I posted. Anyway, it is still a runt. Many of the other later seedlings have started to catch up with the earlier sprouts. The rest of the AKs and the haze have really gone nuts in the last two days, thus the FIM. Can't wait until week five pics, next Sunday!

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Sorry :( I assumed they were the same age, it has been awhile since I checked your log and have not kept up like I should. I will from now on :thumbsup:

[Shovelhandle]

The grow is going nicely. I had to remove a couple of leaves. The plants are very low adn the leaves that touch the soil got nute burned by contact.

Here's five of the six AK-47s. The runt (not shown) is still holding it's own but will likely be culled.
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Here are the four Neville's Haze.
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[Shovelhandle]

I cut two from each of the AKs this am.

I soaked ten peat pucks in a solution of water and Strive-Alive B1-Red. I labelled each of the donors with a number and labelled sticks for the clones. At the ready I had a siccors, a razor blade, water solution, cloning gel, chop stick and muffin tins.
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I cut two lower branches from a donor plant, placing them in a cup of solution. Then, removed excess leaves, cut the stem on a 45º angle with the razor. I then touched the cut to a paper towel before putting it in the cloning gel.
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From there I put the cutting into a peat puck where I had poked a hole with the chop stick and gently pinched the opening shut.
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I then added additional solution to the tins and sprayed the cuttings with clean water and slid the tins into plastic bags with a wire support to keep the bag off the cuttings. I placed these off to the side of my light fixture for now. I'll be moving them back to the bench for 24 hour light from a flourescent or perhaps a CFL.
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Any remarks, suggestions appreciated.

Shov

[Shovelhandle]

I also FIMed the four Haze plants this am too.

Sho

[jakezking]

Hot Dang, Shov! Your plants are looking outstanding! That front right NH is incredible, dude! Dang fine work on them all, and sweet and informative description of your cloning process. I appreciate that information, and will remember your thread for the time I begin cloning. Thanks!

[Shovelhandle]

Terrific for you to say so, Brian (I appreciate that information).
I've not had a lot of experience in cuttings for mj. So, let's just watch together and see hor things go. I'll keep up with posting the details as we see the results.

I figured that I needed many more specimens (and beaucoup de fortune) if I wanted to get any kind of seed from this. So, I started to cut clones as soon as possible. Hoping to cut some haze in a week or two.

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

Plants seem to be very happy so far shov. I love the ak's huge leaves. I actually started some ak-48s about the same time (month and 4 days ago) and they have similar growth patterns which excites me. Two of them actually have new growth of 7 and 9 leaves! Have any of your's shown this characteristic?


gmorning

[Shovelhandle]

No, I haven't noticed any large numbers of leaflets. But I did notice that the branches are starting to grow alternating, which is a sign of maturity. The Neville's Haze are so squat that I can't get cuttings yet. So though. I'd like to get two ro three from each of the four plants.

No comments on the AK-47 cutting posts? Anyone?

[Shovelhandle]

I mixed a new batch of soil this morning. Two bags of Intervale (local Vermont Organic) potting soil, a bag of perlite, a bag of vericulite, a bag of worm castings and half a sq. foot of peat moss. I now have the (4) Neville's Haze and the runt AK-47 in three gallon pots and the (5) AK-47s in five gallon pails. I added a 400 watt MH to the 216 watts of T-5 florescent lights.
The (10) AK-47 clones are doing well and are down in the corner of the grow area, out of the bright light. As soon as they start to root and I transplant them into 6" pots, I'll flip them to 12/12 and start some Neville's Haze cuttings, probably in another week.
I'll try and grab some photos tomorrow. Thanks for checkin it out.

Shov

[Shovelhandle]

Just repotted yesterday. Plants seem to have no stress so far. I've never had any transplant problems but these didn't release from the old pots all that well. I lightly watered them in with a little Superthrive. I'll give them a nute feeding later tonight.

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Sho

[Puffzter]

Hey Shov.
Are those plants really 5 weeks old?
They look healthy and all but very small for that age aren't they?
Mine looked like this after 5 weeks and I did take clones from all of them.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/ll429/Pufffzter/e150fbde.jpg

Maybe the coco and the 600W HPS I used in veg do you think they grew slower than normally in veg?

I hope you understand I mean no offence, I just wanna understand what different techniques and strains bring to the table.

Keep up the good work and your super nice logs m8.

Pufzter

[Shovelhandle]

I agree, they are not as mature as my last two grows. I did try using just the T-5s up until yesterday. Most everything else, exept the seeds was the same. I kind of doubt that it was all because of the 216 watts of light (instead of 600-700 watts) because the seedlings did not sprout or flourish as well as any grows I can remember. Anyway, I hope with adding the 400 W MH and the transpanting into large pots that they will take off, eh? And I was worrying about the Neville's Haze getting too big during veg. Huh. :wtf:

[Shovelhandle]

Here's the last grow of Bubblegum hybrid fems.

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Yup, Much, Much nicer. I think the extra light should pick them. Now, these next plants are afghani at the same period that were also under just florescent lights. Same for the next photo of some Bubblegum, also under just the florescents. So, compared to this, the present grow is doing well. It's in the lighting then. Ya think?

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[Puffzter]

I think so yes.
I have a good exemple here actually.
I have clones from those plants that I linked. They are in soon in week 6 since they started vegetative growth and even though they had a head start (being rooted clones instead of sprouting seeds) they are about half the size from what the seed plants vegged under HPS were after 5 weeks.

Exact same genetic, same medium, same nutes different lights.
The first time I vegged with 600W HPS (flower spectrum)
Second time 125W cfl (veg spectrum)

So in my case I woul loose at least 2 weeks in veg and even then the CFL plants would have been less compact and more stretchy.
I would gain on the electricity though but no even enough to cover 3-4 grams of nice sinsemilla. ;) I think I gained more than that for sure with the HPS.

You seem to have the same experience, right?

Puffzter

[Shovelhandle]

It seems so. I use 400 HPS flower and 400 MH conversion for veg. I used 216 watts (4 x 4') of T-5s for sidelighting with the correct spectum tubes for grow and flower. When they filled the 1 sq meter area I added two 42 watt CFLs to the other side. I got 500gm of bud out of the 1 meter².
The AKs are larger than the haze, but they will finish at least a month after the AKs.

[killa12345]

man the grow is looking beautiful.......looks like christmas will be nice for u too......i love the mop buckets.....im using them with the haze im growing but starting to have stability issues now that the plants are around 7'.

[Shovelhandle]

Thanks, the haze are in 3 gallon pails the AKs, except the runt are in 5 gallon pails. The Haze will get moved into at leat 5 gallon eventually.

Tanke care, Bub!

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

just commenting on some earlier posts. those ak's sure do seem small but with only the t5s i wouldn't expect them to be all that big anyway. just because i've been using a 400wmh for veg, and the extra light really pays off in size. my tallest is 18inch and they're all around 37 days old give or take. on an 18/6

and yeah shov, idk why but my one ww and 2 aks are growing 10 leaflets. they look crazy big lol. those cuttings did look superb btw, i hope they produce well. dont think i myself will be cloning since we have 30+ girls now, most likely 20 - males.

so those are only under the 400mh now? or are the t5s and cfls still playing a role? keep up the good work, i'll be back soon


morning

[Shovelhandle]

yep, it was an experiment. I now believe that the 400 MH is needed for max growth after the first week or two. Right now I have the T-5s for side lighting and the 400 MH about 18" from the canopy. Yes, the cuttings are still looking fine (well, one is a little less fine, but it only has a one inch stem.)
The 400W really has made a rapid improvement in growth rate!

Thanks,
Shol

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

lol, that was a quick reply.

nice to see someone else is up. and yes, the more light the better. i do think i'll pick up a set of t5s for the early weeks of growth and clones for my next grow since the MH is a bit strong for the little guys. these strains are just outstanding, really glad someone of your caliber is growing them. i know you can't wait till xmas lol.

have a great day big guy, stay :jointsmile:

morning

[zebulon]

The plants look nice Shov, gonna be a great grow for sure....how long do you gonna veg em?? And you gonna use the same nutes right? I found that Bat Guano did a great job on my plants, maybe you too should give it a try on one of the plants...
Anyway, looks good so far, keep it up....:hippy:

[Shovelhandle]

Same nutes, except Technoflora now has cal/mag a sweet product and other micro/specialty nutes in their menu.

I'm hoping to find out some info on the NH I bought from marijuana-seeds dot com to see who bred them. I was reading on IC that the Mr. Nice people and Greenhouse Seeds people argue about who's is better (or if they are any good at all). AKs should be ready for Christmas smoking, if the NH are true to form they will be month or more later.

[Shovelhandle]

Well considering that the plants haven't really all grown that large, for six weeks I'm thinking I may go seven or eight weeks before I flip them. I just checked on them and the temp was over 90* so I opened a door, added another fan across the plants and removed some of the reflectors to improve air flow. The plants were actually looking pretty good though.
Clones are doing ok too. I may pot them this weekend.

[Shovelhandle]

I was watching the grow closely today as I was trying to lower the temperature (yep, got it down to 80* on the canopy right now. But, I saw what a grower hates to see, one of the better two Neville's Haze, it's pot upside down on the floor. The plant was hardly visible under the pile of soil. SHIT! At leaset it was only a matter of a couple of hours at most, and all the roots were covered. No broken stems or branches, maybe a leaf or two.

IHIWTH,

Shov

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Wow nice experiment you did with great information:thumbsup:

I don't know what to tell to do with that MANATEE :( but thank goodness she only came out bruised and will bounce back soon.:D

BOL
JG

[Shovelhandle]

I don't mind a little challenge and this grow has had a couple/few. I'm still feeling good about it though. I'll veg them for a few more weeks. That way the clones should be stabile enough to put into 12/12 with the big plants.
I tossed the midget AK the other day so I have 4 NH and 5 AK. If I have 50% fem (4 or five plants) I can fit another 4-6 of the AK clones in there to finish with them. I guess I'll not take any NH clones this time. I have no room for a separate area for vegging them.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

I am begining to wonder about that 50% ratio.

Remember my situation and your last. I am begining to think it is more like 75% or more now with breeders seeds.

What you think?

[Shovelhandle]

well, my previous grows have been mostly my own inbred/crossbred seeds. Last grow was all female due to feminized seeds from a female pollinated by a hermi. Results were very good, I had very few seeds, if any in my crop. Others grown out by friends had no seeds at all. I did have a stash of Bubblegum seeds that I've gone through and given away. I believe that I've had much better than 50/50 in every grow. Tips I've tried and continue to use are, don't use shallow pots for seedlings (those little four ounce peat or plastic pots) and to use cold well water.

Now this is my first grow with foreign seeds. The germination was pretty traumatic it seemed with only a 50% germ rate due to too warm of temperature. I sowed the seeds over a period of two weeks, so some of the plants are actually younger than posted. I guess we will see and document the resuts.

Thanks,

Sho

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Now that brings back memories of a great era.:hippy:

[Shovelhandle]

I've been 'playing in the band' on you tube a bit lately. Workingman's Dead was put out when I got out of HS and had my first apartment. Good Times!
I was like a local 'Capt. Trips myself at the time. <g>

[stinkyattic]

Better to be Captain Trips than Captain Thrips... :D
Looking good, and I see you are planning another bumper crop of beastly bushes, and that they are already well on their way. Are you going to finish them in 5's or move up one more time into feed tubs before flower?

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Shove I know this has nothing to do with your grow but as a deadhead to another it was just announced all the former members of the Grateful Dead and Warren Haynes are getting together for a spring tour. Just wanted to pass that on to you.:hippy:

Maybe they would play Highgate, VT again:thumbsup: saw them there both times.:thumbsup:

[Shovelhandle]

I'm not a deadhead, tha twas a couple of days ago. I'm playing with Tull now. :hippy:

[Shovelhandle]

At least five gallons for every female But, I have a 1 meter sq. area and right now there are nine four to six week old plants plus I potted nine AK-47 clones, two of each of the largest AKs. Depending on sex, I may have 10 females and 5 gallon would be max unless I repot the NH when I harvest the AK. The NH may take a month or more to finish though I've not repotted a flowering mj before.

[Shovelhandle]

I took two slips from each of the two lankier NHs. The other two are doing great but are just a low down tight ball of leaves. Branches are not even long enough to cut. The AK clones seem to be doing pretty well. There are nine of them.
I had to replace one of the T-5 ballasts today. Temp have been 80* all day. I plan to flip them in one more week.

[Shovelhandle]

Plants are looking very healthy. They are growing better now that I've added the 400 watt MH.
This am I fed them all 3/4 potency nutes. I had previously given the Aks full and the N Haze half. The NH didn't blink but some lower leaves on the AKs looked yellowing. I thought that I'd be cautious with the Haze as I've read that they are not usually big feeders. However, I now wonder exactly who's strain of Neville's Haze do I have. The seedbank (marijuana-seeds dot nl) wouldn't say, I looked around and I think that it may be White Label or the Neville's Haze that is crossed with Jack Herer as marijuana-seeds dot nl list the flowering time as 6-9 weeks!?? I don't know. Any ideas?

Anyway, for the Neville's Haze I have two stretchy plants and a squat plant. One tall one and the sqaut one have FAT leaves. One has 11 segmet leaves.

The five AK-47s ( I pitched out the runt awhile back) are branching out nicely. The FIM worked out well, a few plants have 2 tops and a few have four tops.

Neville's Haze
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and the squat NH
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The AK-47s
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from the top
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[killa12345]

man its only been like a week since ive been over here at your log, and the plants are looking awesome.....wow...i cant even believe my eyes.....awesome show....i cant wait for the finished product.....i wish you could see me right now shaking my head....Wow:thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

lookin good shov!
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Can't tell you for sure about the Neville's Haze.......but I about lit my straight Hazes on fire by feeding them the same nutes as the AK's. The AK's love it but the pure haze plants curled out and almost croaked.......I spent the day flusing the excess nutes out of them and now go pretty light with mine. I'm just not sure about the Neville's Haze; only the regular Haze.

PS.....The SNL x NH's I grow take full strength nutes and love it but they ARE a cross so not sure how much difference that makes. :cool:

[Weedhound]

And they look beautiful and healthy in those photos so whatever you are doing seems to be working very well. :thumbsup:

[hydrocannabis]

wow wow wow wow wow wow. holy sheet. they look great.

[jakezking]

Shov, your plants are super fly, dude! Glad to see them thriving so well, and I was floored to see how much they have grown. I didn't realize it had been so long since last I browsed your thread. I wish you continued good luck and great enjoyment for the rest of your grow. Be good out there, my friend!

[Shovelhandle]

Yep. time flies.
I germed all of the seeds (2 packs or 10) I have 5 of one and four of the other doing pretty well. I have a few clones of all the AKs and 2 of the 4 NevHaz. I'm not really sure that I did get a good pheno of the haz but all the Ak seem quite stabilized , they're all very similar. And I still have to see what sex these are.

Here's a crap pic of the AKs (right) and the newbie NevNaz (left)

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[Shovelhandle]

two nevhaz and one AK-47 are showing FEM. These are the first sex sightings. I have two clones of the AK fem, I forgot to look for one of the NH to see if it had been cut. So, I plan to carry on and flip them...very soon. I'm going away next weekend and I have some work to finish on Thurs and Friday. Maybe tomorrow or wed I'll change the timer and the lamps.

[bickeybammer]

lookin bomb as usually shov :thumbsup::rastasmoke:

[Rock.Steady]

"subscribed"
*click*:thumbsup:

[Shovelhandle]

The plants are taking off, eh? They start 12-12 today. I changed to HPS and 3000K T-5s.

Presenting a cabbage pheno Neville's Haze! Nodes on nodes, really tight.
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A couple of females
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The fourth NevHaz
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[Shovelhandle]

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This is a female AK-47
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[Shovelhandle]

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I moved them to a corner to continue 18-6 for a while. Most seem to be doing ok. The newer cuts, NevHaz are in the tent.

[hydrocannabis]

wooooow. how can I get node on node growth like that. I bets because its a special kind of been.

anyway they all look great.

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

everything seems to be coming along beautifully shov. happy to hear you def got some ladies in the group. plants and clones look excellent. they are branching out nicely, "which only means good things are coming" < grandma's boy hah.

morning

[Shovelhandle]

I try to keep up to date with my journal and this log. The issue I had with high temps is all gone. The season is changing and the air is cooling down. I removed the fresh air inlet and fan. I just have the one fan blowing across the plants and the temp is down to 80º on the canopy.
I've been thinking back and forth about growing a little seed. I don't want to set up a separate area to keep a male until it's time to polinate so I will probably grow all females and consider buying seed from the old country again.

I'm still trying to find some information on growing and reviews of White Label Neville's Haze (which is what I think I have here)

Oh, and in the last set of photos the plants look wilted or something? They are wet, they just had been sprayed with water. I normally remove all the plants and carefully inspect them and spray them when I feed them (every third watering). This time I had to remove them to change the lamps and all. I use Thrive-Alive B-1 Green during veg and plain water now that they are going to flower.


Shol

[Shovelhandle]

Came back from Ma. yesterday and checked my plants. Of the four NevHaz and the four AK-47 there are two NevHaz females and only one AK-47 female. I do have a couple of AK clones that are fems but the two NH fem clones do not look like they transplanted well at all.

Today I supercropped all the branches to try and keep the heights lower. We'll see, the plants look like they will be pretty tall. I didn't dare to lst as the nodes are close together and the stem is very stiff. I'm afraid of snapping it off.

hey, I'm back on dialup as my pc shit the bed and my old pc dosne't have the card for the cable modem.

l8r

Shovelhandle

[Shovelhandle]

Here are the girls at 11 days 12/12. I really did go overboard with the supercropping as I twisted just about every branch to try and get the sub-branches to grow out, but they are doing fine.

AK-47 - five sections to each leave
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Neville's Haze - mostly 9 sections to each leaf with a few 11s
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Neville's Haze - with some pretty fat leaves 7-9 sections to each leaf.
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I have two small AK clones in soil with the girls and three new NH cuttings under 18/6 CFL. I hope to have a couple survive. The last NH cutting were looking great until I put them into soil and they shocked. They did have some roots started too. :wtf:

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

shov, that sucks to hear only one female is left striving for the aks but she seems happy. at least ya have the clones, hopefully they yield well. those NH look pretty damn good as well. i have a skxh 3 weeks into 12/12, and its not flowering as fast.

great grow as always. i'll be back in 2 wks to check the progress, take care

morning

[Shovelhandle]

Hey, MGM. I gotta look at the good side, I don't have enough plants to call it much of a grow as far as state law. Also, I have a square meter of area and between the three plants I think they can fill that area. At day 10 of flowering they are 24" tall and were FIMed weeks ago and supercropped about a week ago now. Plus I have the two AK clones and will hopefully be adding a couple of NH clones. If so, that will be pretty crowded, I'll add more side lighting. :jointsmile:

[SnSstealth]

Lookin good shov! I myself am a masochistic supercropper. FIRM believer. The Church I have going into flower in a week, I have supercropped the main 3 branches twics. Now I got a good 8 strong tops. keep a look out man, its gonna be a MONSTER! Got a few suprises going on in my og that are gonna help me get this girl HUGE> sorry for the threadjack, lookin good brother!
whiskeytango
:joint1:

[Shovelhandle]

Thank you, Bub. I do keep an eye out for your grow threads (as well as quite a few others). I can't say that I can keep them all organized in my mind though. I'll have to go check it out again... :jointsmile:

I've been thinking of how I may cut the bottom out of the three 5 gallon buckets and transplant on top of some kind of low profile vessel (ala BOG) to increase the root area if and when the plants look like they could use it. I have to be on the lookout for such a container.

[Shovelhandle]

In the process of lst I snapped one of the main branches on this NevHaz plant.
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It is 16" long and had budsites all along the length. :(
There was no saving it. It pealed away from the trunk right where the FIM split the stem into four branches. There was nothing holding the branch to the stem but the outer 'skin'. To bad it's too early to smoke the little flowerettes.

Good news is, everything is growing nicely. The haze do show clawing of the new leaves but they tend to flatten out with time.

[Weedhound]

Shov my plants would wonder what the problem was if I DIDNT break something off them on a regular basis.

I didn't realize you were you using five gallon buckets...and you're thinking of going larger??

[Shovelhandle]

maybe, if they show stunning growth in the next two-three weeks I'll consider adding to the bottom root system someways.

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

heya shov, sad to hear ya lost some smoke. im sure she'll deliver enough to make up for the loss though and with your limited space i understand what you're saying. the side branches alone take up so much area lol. so you may want to go to larger containers if the growth takes off? :)
well with the ak48s i have(2) they were about 22in give or take at the end of 36days of veg and now they are 36in+ after 3 weeks of flower. along with the skunkxhaze...it was about 25in and now after 3 weeks it shot up a full foot+ :greenthumb: not sure if thats the jump you are hoping for but be on the look out lol.
mine are in 5gal buckets as well but im using coco and they seem to be loving it. personally, i can't go bigger in the space but I'm sure they'd be happier if i could.

she looks very nice though man...keep up the good work

MGM...i like that :thumbsup:


Edit: i just looked and the haze is almost 4 feet tall from the soil. aks are around 3ft+ but i'm going to gestimate that they'll get much higher with cola formation, atleast i hope

[xRedDUBdeRx]

Lookin good. Can't wait to see the harvest =D

Gonna be a very merry christmas for somebody!

[Shovelhandle]

First two are Neville's Haze
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This one is AK-47
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All together.
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A bud (partly) up close :o
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They are starting to have some smell to them. :smokin:

[Puffzter]

Looking sweet man.
Haven't checked in for a while. Sorry for that.
Nice to see they have taken off now, they were a bit slow starters ;)

Puffzter

[Weedhound]

Oh I SO love the hazes! This pics look delicious Shov......and growing some very nice bud. I have a straight haze I'm struggling with......would you say the Neville's Haze is a big or light eater?

[Shovelhandle]

Weedhound, I started light and am now feeding 100% strength Technaflora nutes ( includes Boost, Bloom, CalMag, Carb/Sweetener and Awesome Blossom) plus some other suppliments (Dr. Thomas' Plant Energy, Thrive Alive B1 Green and Top Max). No loss of color on leaf tips at all, no twisting of deformities of any kind. So, I'd say that this strain can handle the nutes pretty well.

[Weedhound]

Well yours certainly look happy! Back to the drawing board with mine.....

Did I mention how much I love the Hazes??

[Shovelhandle]

The buds are growing rapidly and lots of tricomes are coming in on the leaves.

Looking at my past grows I've never had trics like this at such an early stage of flowering. I'm psyched! :jointsmile:

[Puffzter]

Sweet. Might be a frosty xmas then. :)

[SnSstealth]

Day 18 shov?! lol....fast bitches there man. Those NH look mighty tasty!!
whiskeytango

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

shov..pics look very nice. plants are happy. depressing loss of a cola on that one NH. the rest of her is filling out nicely though. do you have a ball park figure on yield?



mgm

[Shovelhandle]

This is the top of one of the Nev Haze
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Here's some of the AK-47 buds
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They are about 24-26" tall. The height has not been running away at all. :rasta:

[Shovelhandle]

Ok, about a week since the last photos. They've been fed and watered. I've been tying the colas over a little here and there.

So, here are two AK-47 clones. There are three NH clones in 18/6 right now. I'll move them up later.
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A Neville's Haze
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The other NH
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A really nice, stinky AK-47
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And here's they all are.
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[hydrocannabis]

wow they R looking really kick ass now.:thumbsup:

[Shovelhandle]

ginque!

Just follow the plan... :jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

They do look nice and frosty and happy. :thumbsup:

[DTRave420]

Man how I admire this grow...Nice watchin' you work "SH"!!!
:420thought:

[Shovelhandle]

Yesterday I tried to photograph from a tripod. These are two of the buds on the Neville's Haze (the one with multi colas). I'll try the other Haze and AK-47 later (they have better buds!)
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Thanks for stopping in. :stoned:

[Weedhound]

Shov I know you've answered this before but whats the flowering time on Nevilles Haze generally?

[Shovelhandle]

Weed,
I don't really know who's NH I have. MNS NH says 14 weeks+.
GHS is less. I bought them from mairjuana-seeds dot nl and they say 6-9 weeks but I don't know who bred these seeds. Likely not the MNS as they have been un available for a while.

My guess would be that the 6-9 week time would be optumistic for a commercial grower and a connisseur grower would take weeks longer. Know what I mean, jelly bean? :hippy:

[Rock.Steady]

nice flowers Shovel!:thumbsup:

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

Shov, those girls look awesome so far, flowers are putting on some weight. does that ak by any chance smell citrus/dank? lol


mgm

[Shovelhandle]

Thank you Mr GM.

I was looking at my past photo journals and see that this grow did indeed have a stunted beginning. But their progress has been as good as it's been in the past. So the plants seem to be 2 weeks behind optimum, which is the amount of time I was having germination/seedling problems. I have not checked trics yet as it's only been 4 weeks or so in flowering, but I hope they continue to flower for another six weeks or so. Some of the pistils are starting to dry out and color, but that's probably just from the bright light.
The AK does have a different odor, it's very pungent and strong. I have a hard time describing smells like that though. It is different from the haze, which has a nice smell also. I will try and observe what 'flavor' the smell seems to be.

Sho

[MediJuana]

That neville's haze is fire! Ive wanted to try the strain for awhile... good grow!

MEDI

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[DTRave420]

Beautiful buds on the Neville's,Sho...:thumbsup::thumbsup:Not to be a pain in the ass but,"Please sir,may we have some more"...:stoned::smokin:

[Shovelhandle]

I watered 'em today. They seemed to stop growing in height but the buds are bulking up and stinking up nicely.
I hope to get an average of two zips per plant of the three originals. The clones really didn't put on any weight but are maturing nicely. Maybe a couple of doobs there. I have three Neville's Haze clones in veg and hopefully I'll start some Sweet Bud seeds to start and move them all into the flowering area when these three finish. I have no idea how long it may take. AK-47 should be done in another 4-6 weeks tops. The NH look like they are on par for that too.

Oh, the photos? Tomorrow or the next day. I hope they come out ok, thanks for the positive vibes, Bub!

[jakezking]

Shov, your NH are kickin' sand in the face of my Red Colombian Haze! They're looking mighty sweet, with tons of pistils pokin' out! Your buds are looking thicker - it really goes to show the difference in lighting and feeding. With the waning autumnal sun and less nutrients, my RCH is thinner; but, I read where you haven't seen trichs on bud so early into flowering. My RCH has more trichs at this stage than any of the other 3 strains I have grown out at this time.

I'm really glad to see you and your ladies doing so well. Take good care out there! I'll try not to be such a stranger.

[Shovelhandle]

Real great of you to stop by and nice things.
How many weeks are you into flowering and how many more to you think until they are really finished?
These are looking like they are finishing up but I'm used to indicas and these are mostly sativas.

[Shovelhandle]

First a Neville's Haze Bud. No, that's not a 'nanner on the top. It's a burned leaf or two from the HPS.
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And the AK-47 plant
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And AK-47 bud
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[DTRave420]

Awesome show Sho!!!Diggin' this grow...:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Shovelhandle]

New grow logs tend to be slow, especially if one is just performing the same grow procedure as they are used to. So, I will be beginning my new grow and logging it's progress right here.

I have three small Neville's Haze clones that I took early on in flower. I put some seeds in wet paper towel in a warm location until Monday am when I'll move them to a windowbox planter. I am germinating five "Sweet Bud", which I know nothing about except they are the tiniest seeds I've ever seen by a far sight. I'm also germing six Bubblegum X feminized seeds from my last grow, the most powerful plant. I have the clones under 2- 4' T8 Daylight lamps and will put the new seedlings there as well. I will grow under these lights until the sativas are done and then I'll move the new plants under 400 watts MH to finish veggin'

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

shov, those shots are superb. that NH looks to have put on alot of weight, especially on top, very nice. the ak's don't look bad at all if they were stunted...i'd probably guess 4 more weeks if you want to get em out of the way with a decent yield, i guess also depending on the trics...my 48s are going on 8wks and the pistils are almost completely orange. lower branches are frosty and white but also using a 1k hps, maybe your's might head in the same direction later. beautiful tric formations on that haze btw, it glistens.
Smells: the 48s have a strong odor/orange peal lol, haze is slowly coming along, but the signature scent is present.

Keep up the nice work sir. and i can't wait to see a bubblegum 6wks in bloom... :vap_smiley: mmm, tasty. take care big guy, i'll bbs

mgm

[MistaJ]

Hey Shovel,

Nice grow mate, some flavours I wouldn't mind giving a try myself some time.

Quick question and sorry if you have answered this previously but do you trim any of your fan leaves to get more light in? Those buds look nice and plump and just wondering if you've done anything to the plant or if that's the way the AK's grow?

Subscribed and will follow the rest of your grow.

Cheers.

[Shovelhandle]

I do not remove any fan leaves, at this stage they are falling off ontheir own. I do tuck them under the budsites though.

I did FIM the plants at 5 weeks and supercropped at 8 weeks at which time I went to 12-12.

MGM, your pistils are prolly orange from the hot light. Ya think? nah, 8 weeks is getting towards the end anyways.
I have plenty of BG pics in my past logs...

[Shovelhandle]

Here are two Nevilllie's Haze plants and buds.
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[Shovelhandle]

Here's the AK-47
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A Bud
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One of the clones from the AK-47
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[DTRave420]

It's begining to look a lot like Christmas,
everywhere you go...

Very nice Shov...:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

They look GREAT!! :thumbsup:. You GO Shov!!

[Shovelhandle]

:) I hope they finish soon. We are going away 12/10 and I have to have it all buttoned up and packed away by then. :eek:

[Shovelhandle]

to all my friends here, nice knowing you. I will no longer posting any internet messages. Best of luck with all your grows and living it up.

[stoned88911]

Congrats man that was an awesome grow.

I hope u post more =(

Lots of love.

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

wait a minute...your leaving? that is some sad news because i've enjoyed watching your logs and posts. I do hope we all hear from you again and this is a temporary absence. but if not...hope all is well and everything stays positive for you.

that ak47 looks amazing also...took my 48s down the other day and man, sticky and smelly throughout the whole house lol. hoping for 6-9 oz dry but we'll see. again, take care again my friend, it's been a pleasure. fair well

mgm

[DTRave420]

Take care "SH"...:(

STAY SAFE!!!:thumbsup:

[dillhole]

to all my friends here, nice knowing you. I will no longer posting any internet messages. Best of luck with all your grows and living it up.

This sucks! Your presence here will be missed!!

[danish]

Well there is some RL stuff as well, but shov please dont spare the world of your wisdom and thank for the words of advice and kindsness you brought us.

Wish you all the best

[zebulon]

Shov, it's sad that you are leaving....whatever has happened i hope You and your family are alright, gonna miss you...:hippy:

[hydrocannabis]

Y R U leaveing?
You will be missed here a lot.
Wish you the best also.

I also think U for the amount of time U have put in here and please dont spare the world of your wisdom and thanks for the words of advice and kindsness you brought us all.

hey lets all smoke a bowl in honor of shovelhandles presence here.:thumbsup:

:(:(:(:( get :stoned::stoned::stoned: :eek::jawdropper::bigsmoke:

[Weedhound]

Always take care of you and yours first. As others say.....stay safe. Hope your reasons are not bad ones. We will definitely miss you.

Hope you and yours are, and stay, well.

Wh.

[Rock.Steady]

Happy Trails
Be Well.

[Shovelhandle]

http://boards.cannabis.com/members/shovelhandle-albums-shovs-picture1102-ak56l.jpg

http://boards.cannabis.com/members/shovelhandle-albums-shovs-picture1103-ak56lb.jpg

http://boards.cannabis.com/members/shovelhandle-albums-shovs-picture1104-ak56.jpg

http://boards.cannabis.com/members/shovelhandle-albums-shovs-picture1105-nh.jpg

[Weedhound]

I need an IMMEDIATE smoke report on that Neville's Haze please. Number of days in bloom?

Good to see you....hope everything is good with you and family.

[DTRave420]

http://boards.cannabis.com/members/shovelhandle-albums-shovs-picture1102-ak56l.jpg

http://boards.cannabis.com/members/shovelhandle-albums-shovs-picture1103-ak56lb.jpg

http://boards.cannabis.com/members/shovelhandle-albums-shovs-picture1104-ak56.jpg

http://boards.cannabis.com/members/shovelhandle-albums-shovs-picture1105-nh.jpg

Man thats pretty!!!

HAPPY THANKSGIVING "SH"!!!:jointsmile:

[zebulon]

Wow Shov, those look really juicy...enjoy...and of course we need a smoke report...:jointsmile:

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

So i guess you didn't want to leave us hanging lol. Thank you. that ak is amazing, even the lil clone :thumbsup:

hope all is well...beautiful holiday, happy turkey day all

mgm

[texas grass]

be well
stay safe
keep growing green

your words will be missed

[Shovelhandle]

http://i400.photobucket.com/albums/pp89/Shovelhandle/100_2982.jpg?t=1228053135

[Rock.Steady]

WOW!
Thats just Beautiful!!!
2 Thumbs up!:greenthumb::greenthumb:

[WhiskeyTango]

Smoke report.....Nevilles......pics pics pics pics pics pics...lol
Good vibes

[the image reaper]

Shovelhandle, I'm gonna miss ya, you were one of my favorites ... I hope by saying you're 'going away', it means a pleasant vacation, or move ... please drop us a 'hello' when ya get re-settled, so we'll know you're OK ... good growing, my friend :thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

Nice Ak.....smells pretty strong doesn't it?

[Shovelhandle]

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Harvest Day. These are AK-47s

[Shovelhandle]

Neville's Haze.

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:hippy:

[MediJuana]

Beautiful shov, absolutely gorgeous harvest! Hey if you can do one more post check out my log and tell me what you think!

MEDI



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http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/163253-querkle-vanilluna-100-gal-grow-box-cfls.html

Thanks!

[Weezard]

Say it ain't so, bro.:(

Noticed your posts were getting shorter.
Figured you were busy setting the bar for beautiful bud.

Haven't said much, but I have learned while lurking.
Just wanted to catch you before you bail and say,
Mahalo nui!
Thanks for the good example.:)

Weezard

[Weedhound]

That's looking like a VERY Merry Christmas to me. :madnoel: :areindeer:

[Shovelhandle]

oh ya, Mrs. Weed. I'll post a pic of 'em hanging on the line soon.

[Shovelhandle]

No time to get photos. I did strip the dry Nevile's Haze from the branches, total 3.5 oz. I stripped the AK-47 and it weighs 6.5 oz but it is ultra sticky and will take a lot longer to finish drying. I'd be happy with 4-4.5 oz dry.

[Rock.Steady]

WOW, nice haul Shov!
they look smaller in the pics.

Great Job!:greenthumb:

[Shovelhandle]

I was very surprised too. I did realize that the haze were super dense and the AK-47 was heavy duty sticky but I should get half elbo and I was hoping for a Q. yes!

[DTRave420]

I was very surprised too. I did realize that the haze were super dense and the AK-47 was heavy duty sticky but I should get half elbo and I was hoping for a Q. yes!

HO HO HO!!!

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YA SHOV!!!:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Shovelhandle]

Ho! Hey, Ho, Hey, one of the NH I grew self seeded the lowest little buds, I have 12 seeds from cutting the buds from the stems. Serendipity, if the strain smokes as good as I expect it should. That AK-47 will take forever to dry, it's so friggin, STICKY-ICKY! :rastasmoke:

[Weedhound]

Put a piece on something low warm....the top of your grow light or something. Or a fan will help a bit.

[dgsgandalf]

Yeah, and there's a way you can quick dry a bud in the microwave. It's not the best way, but it has you smoking within days of harvest.

[canupuffit]

if you have forced hot air heating, you can put it by the register and dries and taste better imo...

[WhiskeyTango]

if you have forced hot air heating, you can put it by the register and dries and taste better imo...

THat will dry it good, but you wont get de-carbolaxation, hence the oven method I would recommend, try it! I didnt believe it either..."you want me to put my weed in the oven?!?! HELL no, it wont have shit left to smoke!" But it does the same thing as drying AND curing.
good vibes

[Rock.Steady]

when i'm checkin trichs on a plant thats almost done (like Wanda) i flashdry my samples in a toaster oven at ~175F, for ~45mins.

Whiskey is completely on. The shrinkage factor is extreme, but is about the best results ive gotten so far out of all i tried. But, be careful. If you over do it, it shrivels to a brittle nothin, that turns to dust if you squeeze it,LOL!

by comparison, the microwave oven method is about the worst results i've gotten in all my experimentation.

Rock:cool:

[hydrocannabis]

hey rock U should get a food dehydrator. that is what I use to dry and try my pre harvest samples.:D

it takes a bit long but it works so so so so dam good. becuse they don't ovet dry ur buds. they dry ur buds and heating them up to dry them.:thumbsup:

[Shovelhandle]

It's dry and is curing now. I will try the smoke 12/18 when I return from vacation but it won't be done until New Years. :>

I have a dehydrator for edible herbs but I slow dry the smoke. If I have a little nugget to dry I'll put it on the cable modem for a couple of hours.

AK-47
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Neville's Haze

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[hydrocannabis]

they look abfab.:thumbsup:

[Weezard]

It's dry and is curing now. I will try the smoke 12/18 when I return from vacation but it won't be done until New Years. :>

I have a dehydrator for edible herbs but I slow dry the smoke. If I have a little nugget to dry I'll put it on the cable modem for a couple of hours.

AK-47
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Neville's Haze

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Breakfast of champions!

Berry nice, Shov!:greenthumb:

Weeze

[Weedhound]

I would like it anywhere....oh my those buds look gorgeously fair.....:thumbsup:

PARTY AT SHOVS!!!! :D

[Rock.Steady]

very nice indeeeeed:greenthumb:

[zebulon]

Looks super yummy....enjoy it Shov....:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[WhiskeyTango]

Ill be over shortly......lol
Lookin great Shov!
good vibes

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

shov, very nice job my friend. those sticky crystallized nugs look so tasty. I can almost smell the dank ak. the NH buds look damn good with all them crusty red hairs, crazy nice work :thumbsup::thumbsup:
hope your vacation is/goes well as your herb nears closer to it's demise :jointsmile:
i'll be back for the report, until then take care big guy.

mgm

[Shovelhandle]

I lie. I packed a bowl of AK today. It taste great and kicks ass, man! It's not ready yet though. You open the jar, it gets dry, you close the jar and it gets soft again.

[Rock.Steady]

I lie. I packed a bowl of AK today. It taste great and kicks ass, man! It's not ready yet though. You open the jar, it gets dry, you close the jar and it gets soft again.

thats funny.
thats something u gotta love n hate at the same time!:D

im hopin for enuf that some can be put away to cure while im smokin the uncured,,,cause im too anxious:D

the thoughts racin thru my head would sound like:
*yeah, i should let it cure, but, its dry, its beautiful, and its RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME*:jawdropper:
good luck with that:wtf::D

[Shovelhandle]

I have 3 oz of good indica though.

[8182KSKUSH]

Wow shov! Those look awesome! Good luck hangin' in there till the cure is complete, that's a test of self discipline! Have a great holiday Mr. Shovelhandle!:jointsmile::thumbsup::)

[DTRave420]

Awesome "SH" and congrats on the bonus beans...As far as the cure goes,"all good things to those who wait"!!!:jointsmile:

[Shovelhandle]

Thanks rave
like I said, I have a little stash of BGX that I like. This 1/2 elbo will be nice. In a couple of weeks I start blooming three more NH clones that are doing very fine plus some seedlings of my fem BGX and Sweet Bud. So, I should have new photos within weeks.
I ordered some beans today as well. Blueberry (Dutch Passion) and some Mazar (Dutch Passion).

Just for being good. :)

[WhiskeyTango]

Gorgeous haul Shov!! Two good strains ya picked! The parents of a very tasty Skywalker I had for a while.
good vibes

[bluntpasser]

I was expecting allot but wowwwwwww.These are great looking buds. Congrats and happy smoking. :stoned:

[Shovelhandle]

thanks for checking it out, folks.

I will be continuing a grow log of 3 Neville's Haze clones along with two Sweet Bud seedlings and one of my BG hybrid (feminized) seedlings. The Sweet Bud are freebee beans that I know nothing about. They are very sativa looking though. They have all been resting while I went on vacation. Now they are under 216W of T-5 and 400W MH 24 hours/day. The clones were just transplanted to 5 gallon pails today. I plan to flip them in a week, I'm thinking. As soon as I get some photos I'll begin the new log.

Be Good

[Weezard]

thanks for checking it out, folks.

As soon as I get some photos I'll begin the new log.

Be Good


I'll be there.
Lurking in the shadows.
Panting, drooling, learning.:)

Weeze

[Shovelhandle]

Thant's great, Weezer. Even if you have to learn by my mistakes. :stoned:
I'll keep posting the results.

[b0n3ZA]

ah, shovelhandle! glad to see you grew that ak-47!
looks great by the way! happy smoking bro :)

[Shovelhandle]

Well after eight weeks of drying and curing the herbs have improved to the point that I can give a smoke report. Sorry I can't define these subtle flavor and taste differences but it is very decent pot. They hold their own over my other strains.

Neville's Haze (from Marijuana-seeds*nl) on the left, AK-47 from Serious Seeds on the right. ( My camera doesn't macro well at all anymore, sorry)
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Both are similar in effect, taste and aroma... I guess the environment and diet are the cause of that.

Both are good, stoney one hit pot. (though I seldom smoke one hit other than 'testing'). NH often has an energizing effect after an hour of buzz. The AK is more narcotic. Eyes get heavy, difficulty concentrating on a task. A few weeks ago I thought the pot was pretty much mids but it has tuned up a lot. So for effect I'd give them both 8/10, very good. Aroma is very mild, sweet (AK a little sweeter) when you break up the bud. 8/10. Flavor is mild also 8/10. I like them both.
Smoking them together or with some of my Z10 indica is even better.
They were grown together. I had two SweetBud that both turned male but didn't polinate. No nanners were found and I carefully checked each plant on a table every other day. Inspite of that the NH has a few seeds and I've found three in teh AK so far. The results of growing out these mystery seeds has been very good so far. 100% healthy females with no visible male parts.

[WhiskeyTango]

Hey Shov!
That NH looks f.u.c.k.i.n. sexy man. anyone heard from opie?
good vibes

[painretreat]

AK here I come!!!! Thanks for the report. And I turned some down a few weeks ago for a very good price! damn cannacom, let me down! So, glad it is back.

Nice eye candy! P/R :thumbsup:

[8182KSKUSH]

That looks lovely bud!:jointsmile:

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Looks Great !!

Was wondering how this grow turned out Great work.

Also are you still visiting the other site still?

JG

[Rock.Steady]

wow, great work Shov!:thumbsup:

nice report.:pimp: