My new grow :)

[SAP420]

Ok so I thought I would start a thread monitoring my new grow. They are still babies with just seedling feed right now but I decided to try out the gh flora series nutes... was using floranova series but I remember getting a better yield off the gh flora series nutes. Anyhow... as time goes on I will be wanting some helpful hints in ways to improve my yield. I am using a 400 watt hps light for this with a 3x3 hydrohut mini 170 cfm fan with an elf carbon filter.

[herbie the love bud]

Nice and super clean! I personally would use 5 if you can. In a dice pattern. That will really make best use of the light and also if possible move the air pump outside that will pump in cooler air.

[SAP420]

Thanks! I forgot to mention that they are about a week old right now. They grow so damn fast in a hydroponic setup though. In about 4 weeks they will be ready to bloom for sure. I don't have the money for another waterfarm right now but if I get at least one female I'm happy. Its for me, not for everyone else :). If I moved the air pumps outside the tent, I would have to buy all new air tubing because of the fact that they have been cut to a certain length. My tent never gets hotter than 85 degrees. The fan seems to suck enough air in through the floor vents to keep the temperature down. Plus our central air conditioner does a great job of keeping the temps down especially in that room. More pics to come!:smokin:

[Weedhound]

consider turning your rez into a recirculating wf.....if you think they grow well now.....

[Weedhound]

http://boards.cannabis.com/hydroponics/155833-gh-waterfarm-users-simple-recirculating-system.html

Don't know if you've seen this thread but you can set the system up easily and cheaply. Your plants will LOVE the recirculating part and grow a bit better for it.

Good luck.

[SAP420]

http://boards.cannabis.com/hydroponics/155833-gh-waterfarm-users-simple-recirculating-system.html

Don't know if you've seen this thread but you can set the system up easily and cheaply. Your plants will LOVE the recirculating part and grow a bit better for it.

Good luck.

I have to ask... wtf is a recirculating kit and why would I need it? I don't even have a controller.. I top off each farm when needed. Please explain the benefits versus what I have going already. I am just using 4 individual waterfarms not 8. thanks for info ahead of time.

[Weedhound]

No controller? Well no recirculating for you then!! Just carry on the way you are going.

The reason for recirculating the nute solution throughout the system is to keep all the waterfarms numbers more even and balanced without the ph and ppm jumps you get in each individual w/f. GH talks about how you can adjust ph etc just from your controller but as you have found there can be large changes between each w/f so keeping tabs on the numbers from the controller alone isn't really practical unless the system recirculates. Also water that is moving around also picks up more oxygen which translates to happier plants as well.

[SAP420]

Here is a set of pics I took today... growing rapidly! :)

[SAP420]

Not too worried about the oxygen since I have an air pump for each res. Plus its not hard to keep on top of four systems. Maybe when I do 8. lol

[Weedhound]

That's what you say now.......

Wait until they are larger and in bloom. I actually do a recirculating system even just for one plant.

But your way will work fine as long as you stay on top of your numbers and amounts and dont let them get rootbound in those red buckets which is kind of common. So keep an eye out for that as well.

Good luck.

[SAP420]

anything I can do about algae growing on the hydroton.. I usually just wash it off when I do my weekly nute flush and change.

[Weedhound]

That stuff CAN cause issues if it gets thick enough......I didn't have algae problems with hydroton but I don't use it anymore.

For algae there are a couple things you can do.....either cover your medium to block the light (you can use a plastic plate turned upside down and cut in half OR add hydrogen peroxide at 2 teaspoons per gallon every other day. Using H202 carries its own issues so look into it first.....it's much easier to cover the medium but make sure you allow for air flow and breathing room between your cover and the medium and drip rings.

PS...There is no such thing as too much oxygen in your solution.

[SAP420]

Here is a newer progress pic so far. The back left corner plant is taking off like a mother. I'm suspecting this one to be a male.... possibly.

[herbie the love bud]

Everything looks good. WH is spot on though about recirculating, you simply need a controller and to recirculate. You are going to have a hell of a time in full bloom topping your water off and also something no one mentioned, individually checking your pH and ppm. You dont need to buy GHs controller either, it can just be a 5 gal bucket or something.

[hatecable]

the point of the recirculating system is so that all the plants get the same nut solution, water lvl, ph and you can control everything from 1 res instead of checking up on the 4 individually. I think is mainly a time and maintenance saver. At least that is what I think i understand about it. If they are different strains you'd probably like to fine tune the individual WF's in case some are growing faster than others and what not. I have tried to learn some about the system even though Im just growing 1 plant from a feminized seed in a WF.

[herbie the love bud]

yep, that is pretty much it, and it allows you to have a good supply of nutes and not have to change out as often.

[SAP420]

Yeah I know what you mean about the bloom phase... I had to top those bitches off before when my last batch went into bloom. I usually had to top off about a gallon a day per farm. I usually will add 1 gallon to each one and also add one full dropper of ph down to each gallon added. I got the right touch for the ph levels here in my area. Seems that 1 dropperfull of ph down works for each gallon. I may look into getting a controller but for now I will have to do it the not-so-easy way. I usually have no issue doing it this way so far. thanks for the input and more pics to come as it goes. :) So Herbie, maybe you can direct me on how to set up a recirculator using a 5 gallon bucket? Thanks!

[SAP420]

Okay, this is exactly 2 days later after the last pic post. They seem to be doing well. My only problem is with the back right plant. It is growing way slower than the other 3 but I may need to flush it and up the nutes to early growth feed not sure. I think it has a nitrogen deficiency because the lower 2 leaves are a really light yellow although the new growth is green seems stumped with the grow. Any ideas?

[SAP420]

Oh yeah .. here is my new 6" fan for air movement. Do you think it should be right on the plants or just high above is fine?

[herbie the love bud]

just as long as the leaves sway a bit.

[SAP420]

O.K. I was able to get that little one to perk up again. I pretty much flushed out all my plants (since it was time anyhow) and gave them a higher nute dose and the little one's leaves literally have grown slightly bigger in just a matter of 9 hours. I think there must have been some kind of nute lockout that occurred this time. Oh well... I just carefully and cautiously flushed its hydroton extra well and then mixed up a whole new nute solution. I also visited the local hydro shop yesterday and picked up some kool bloom (might I add that this will be my first attempt to use a bloom booster) and I must say that I'm very excited to see what this will do for me when the time to bloom comes :D. More pics to come as I go along.

[hatecable]

Are you completely flushing your hydroton after every nute change or just the ones where you change the dosage?

Im looking forward to hearing/seeing the difference you have by using the kool bloom. I almost bought some but didnt because I didnt want to make this first hydro grow too complicated.

[SAP420]

Are you completely flushing your hydroton after every nute change or just the ones where you change the dosage?

Im looking forward to hearing/seeing the difference you have by using the kool bloom. I almost bought some but didnt because I didnt want to make this first hydro grow too complicated.

I change the nutes weekly to avoid any nutrient imbalance and to help keep plant waste and salt buildup from occurring in the hydroton. I flush the hydroton completely. I used one of those water shower heads that you can disconnect and use as a sprayer to spray through the hydroton and to rinse my buckets. I usually rinse the hydroton for about 15 seconds each time I flush to make sure all salts and plant waste are flushed out.

[rightway2030]

just as long as the leaves sway a bit.

Does the fan help the plant's branches become stronger?

[hatecable]

Yes! What happens is as the branches sway it creates small tears in the stems and branches. The plant repairs itself and then some so that it can take the "punishment" the next time. Its pretty much like when you lift weights. Same principal. Small tears are made in the muscles and when it repairs itself you become stronger.

[SAP420]

Latest pics, I know the little one has some catching up to do but might as well keep it going. Never know... could be a girl!

[hatecable]

day 9? nice. Im at day 11 and nothing even close to that. Not even the little one.
I dont remember, where they clones or seeds?

The other 3 look really good and Im rooting for the little on. Keep it up, Im gonna be following.

[jonas]

Just a heads up man, you should probably get those cords up off the floor of the tray. Don't want to fry your electronics or yourself! :)

[SAP420]

Yeah I'm thinkin of putting a little shelf in there for my pumps. I started these plants from seedling stage. I should reiterate that they are from day 1 in the waterfarms.. I had them in my bubbler before that for a week.

[hatecable]

Ahhh ok. That makes me a feel a little better. Now if I can just get my shit to grow it would be all good.

[SAP420]

Ok. So it has been a full day and a half or so since my last pic post and they are growing really aggressively. Even the little one is kicking out new leaves and striving. I hope it gets up to at least 7 to 8 inches when I kick on the bloom for the other 3 plants. Tell me what ya think! :thumbsup:

[herbie the love bud]

Ok. So it has been a full day and a half or so since my last pic post and they are growing really aggressively. Even the little one is kicking out new leaves and striving. I hope it gets up to at least 7 to 8 inches when I kick on the bloom for the other 3 plants. Tell me what ya think! :thumbsup:
I think everything looks great. What you are experiencing by way of the runt plant is what everyone gets. What I do is use a formula of 12 clones to yield 10 veg to yield 5 flower. That way I keep culling out the week and get 5 solid performers.

That would be your next move. Or whenever.

[hatecable]

Its looking real good man. I hope the one on the lower left ends up female. Should give you a nice yield at this rate. Might be a good one to try cloning on?

[SAP420]

Oh absolutely man.... I will definitely be cloning one if its female... such an easier way to grow. Thanks for the comments Hatecable and Herbie!

[SAP420]

O.k. for those of you that are following this grow, I did a nute flush and change-out today. Started these finally on full veg feed with the gh flora series. The ph has stabilized at around 6.. I can't tell the exact cuz I used the drops with color chart and as long as I stay in the yellow I'm good :). So anyhow here are some new pics and yes the plants have been rotated around just so that all get a shot at any difference in the lighting in different parts of the tent. Although I don't think any spot is really different from the others. Enjoy!

[hatecable]

Looking very nice. I notice the little one is a brighter green than the rest? Maybe its a diff strain or some kind of deficeincy related to that? When the others hit flower that one is gonna get drowned out from the "sun". How much longer are you going to veg again?

[SAP420]

These babies will blow up vegwise this week since I'm feeding full blown veg mode feed. I was just using general feed but next week will be transition week. Then the excitement really begins! :D

[SAP420]

Looking very nice. I notice the little one is a brighter green than the rest? Maybe its a diff strain or some kind of deficeincy related to that? When the others hit flower that one is gonna get drowned out from the "sun". How much longer are you going to veg again?

Actually the little one isn't as yellowy as it looks... its just the way the hps light affected the camera shot. The leaves are actually pretty much just as green. I'm vegging for one more week. I don't want them to get too tall especially since they may be three times their size in the end. They will continue to kick out alot of leaves during the transition week as well. I'm not too concerned with the little one so much. I think it may be a male anyhow cuz its reaaaally spacey between chutes. the other plants are super dense. But fuck who knows???? lol

[hatecable]

cankles... where does the calf stop and the foot begin? thats tha funnn!

[SAP420]

cankles... where does the calf stop and the foot begin? thats tha funnn!

What the fuck does that mean???:wtf:

[hatecable]

I think it may be a male anyhow cuz its reaaaally spacey between chutes. the other plants are super dense. But fuck who knows???? lol

Its a quote from Family Guy by bill clinton. I guess if you hadnt seen it then it would make 0 sense, but it kinda flows with your above statement. Im a wee bit drunk too so.... It may make even less sense to me in the morning. We shall see :D

[SAP420]

As you can see they are bushing out real nice. I don't know what is up with the little one. It IS growing but seems like its retarded or somehow may be of a different strain or something. Oh well.... Next week is bloom transition week so maybe we'll see some pistils soon :D

[Weezard]

I change the nutes weekly to avoid any nutrient imbalance and to help keep plant waste and salt buildup from occurring in the hydroton. I flush the hydroton completely. I used one of those water shower heads that you can disconnect and use as a sprayer to spray through the hydroton and to rinse my buckets. I usually rinse the hydroton for about 15 seconds each time I flush to make sure all salts and plant waste are flushed out.

Love the little dental pick seedling crutches.
Gonna watch this grow.

My first hydrotron exerience was not good.
Washed it, then soaked it in PH 5.5 for 8 hours.
Then screwed-up. Rinsed it with tap water!
My tap water runs about PH 7.2.
Then got real stupid and watered with tap water.
(Had the hose in my, basically lazy, hand.)
Almost killed a fine lady.
Sure ugly'd her up. Lost 80% of her fan leafs from nute lock.

How did you pre-condition the Hydrotron?
Or, is that not necessary with those grow stations?

Looks great so-far.
Best
Weezard

[SAP420]

funny thing is that I didn't precondition at all. I just flushed the hydroton lots with tap water. Then I let it dry out completely and then planted my seedlings in each station. Its funny that you mention that you used tap water to flush your plants. I do that every time with tap water. What I do is I will flush the hydroton of each water farm with a sprayer in my bath tub, then I mix fresh nutes for each station (2 gallons). Then I add ph down to each one. Here with our tap water, I usually use 2 and 1/2 dropper fulls for each station of ph down. Then I check the ph about an hour later to see the true reading. Usually I end up right around 6 which is perfect to me. Been doing it this way for the past 3 grows. Never had an issue. Thanx for your interest! :jointsmile:

[Weezard]

funny thing is that I didn't precondition at all. I just flushed the hydroton lots with tap water. Then I let it dry out completely and then planted my seedlings in each station. Its funny that you mention that you used tap water to flush your plants. I do that every time with tap water. What I do is I will flush the hydroton of each water farm with a sprayer in my bath tub, then I mix fresh nutes for each station (2 gallons). Then I add ph down to each one. Here with our tap water, I usually use 2 and 1/2 dropper fulls for each station of ph down. Then I check the ph about an hour later to see the true reading. Usually I end up right around 6 which is perfect to me. Been doing it this way for the past 3 grows. Never had an issue. Thanx for your interest! :jointsmile:

Mahalo! That's what I wanted to know.
The almost victim is a rescue and sits in a pot of hydrotron in the yard.
I use rainwater with a little PH down and 2 tsp per gallon of bloom nutes, usually.
Only took one "senior moment", to water right from the hose.
Argh!
She did recover but she's stunted and frowning.:)

Thanks for your time.
I get enough pieces, I'll finish dis puzzle.:D

Regards,
Weezard

[SAP420]

O.K. They are doing quite well with no signs of any sadness or stress. All of them are super green. I did get a controller although I have not attached it yet. I have some questions in another thread about that. But so far so good!

[herbie the love bud]

It's probably about time to put in a trellis. Tell me how tall they were when you switched to flower and how tall they are now.

[SAP420]

Still in veg right now. Gonna switch to bloom transition tomorrow.

[herbie the love bud]

OK, what is the height right now then?

[SAP420]

The tallest one is like 25 inches

[herbie the love bud]

Shit dude, you went way too high! You need to cut that down to 16" immediately! Looking at that Indica influence you are gonna get about 40" off of 16" when you go into flower.

Then set your trellis height at about 30" or so (from the top of the bucket, not the floor).

[SAP420]

yeah didn't realize they were gonna get that big so fast. Hadn't been in veg for any more than a week and a half. Now I asked earlier if I'm using the controller the regular way, I fill up all the buckets through the controller right? Not each bucket when I start with new nutes? I was always topping them off with ph'd water but now I'm reading that ppl have nutes mixed in the controller. And if that is the case then do they have nutes mixed at the same dose as what is already in the farms? Just curious. I will be setting up the controller tomorrow for the bloom phase. Save me alot of work with topping off.

[SAP420]

never used a trellis by the way.. what for?

[herbie the love bud]

The trellis will hold your plants up. MUCH easier than stakes, yo-yos, tomato cages, etc... So cut the plants down to the height I mentioned, hang the trellis at the above height and you'll be golden.

There are special clips or something for hanging a trellis in one of those huts. Its awesome!

[SAP420]

I honestly have never had the issue of my plants not standing up. I may try this method down the road tho. thanx.

[herbie the love bud]

What is your wattage again? was it 400? OK, maybe not necessary.

[caligrown82807]

what do all of you think the yeild will be with the waterfarm using dwc with a 400 i ask cause i wanna switch to a rec.dwc and only use 400 hps :S5:

[SAP420]

what do all of you think the yeild will be with the waterfarm using dwc with a 400 i ask cause i wanna switch to a rec.dwc and only use 400 hps :S5:

I am using a 400 watt hps lamp and granted the light was never trapped and concentrated in a small area like I have been able to do with my hut for this grow. But I was averaging about 1.5 to 2 oz. a plant.

[caligrown82807]

2.oz a plant sounds great keep up the good work bro....

[SAP420]

Ok.. so I had put the plants to 12/12 with bloom transition feed last Thursday and already have pistils starting to show on the front left plant. I see no pistils on the others yet. I'm thinkin of cloning her right now to get guaranteed girls next grow and just keep them in my bubbler till I can transfer to my farms after this harvest. I expect I will have to keep them alive for up to 3 to 4 weeks from now in order to transplant them. Tell me what you think I should do and enjoy the latest pics! I also have my controller and reservoir sitting outside the tent.. the nutes stay waaaay cooler this way as well... and you can see that I have moved the reservoir off the top of the controller so I can monitor ph levels in my controller without the hassle of moving the res.(Thanks to "Herbie the love bud" for the helpful hint)!

[d4twamp]

Hey sap,

Did you switch to the recirculating system. I saw that you got the controller and res going and was curious to know if you modified it to a recirc. to get the most out of that system.

If you can't keep the clones in the bubbler for long enough to flower the farms out, you could make a mini ebb n flow system really cheap with 2 or 3 inch net pots and transplant them into the farms when the other ladies are done doing their thing. just a suggestion

later, D:S5:

[SAP420]

No, I haven't started the recirculating setup yet but I just wanted to get the controller for now and will follow up on that at a later time. I have stretched myself out financially for now. I know its only 30 bucks but I need to wait. All ph levels are stable in the controller, reservoir, and the farms.

[SAP420]

By the way, I did go ahead and cut some cuttings off the plant to get some clones going in my bubbler so no worries now overall. :D

[hatecable]

Everything is looking great bud. Im glad that super healthy one turned out Fem. Should serve you a long time if the clones work out good.

I finally got my rapid rooters and have my bubbler going and everything seems to be fine. One thing though, have you ever had roots break off in the bubbler? The plant looks plenty healthy but when I checked the ph a while ago, there were 3 hair sized roots floating around in the water. They were still white, one had just a tinge of brownish, but didnt look bad. My wife checked the ph last night since I was gone so maybe she did it and just didnt know. Im just curious if its normal.

[SAP420]

Um.. dunno man.. never really paid much attention to that. As long your babies are nice and green and stay perky I wouldn't worry about it. I ended up ripping out 2 plants... the little one and the super huge one which was a male.. the little one was not thriving enough for me. I also took out the controller reservoir system. It was such a pain in the ass to drain and change. I work much better without it. I am selling my controller with the reservoir and all the tubing and parts for 60 dollars plus whatever shipping is. So anyone interested let me know and we can do paypal or something. I am thinkin about listing it on ebay for buy it now.

[SAP420]

Here are 2 pics... one of the girl up front and possible male in back, and my clones in the bubbler. I cut them small so I would have time to get my girl bloomed out and harvested and be ready to transplant them to the water farms. Like I said.... I am not going to use a controller again because of the trouble with having to drain each bucket and nowhere to drain them to.

[herbie the love bud]

I think there must be some mis-understanding on the usage of the controller. Could you explain how you were draining, it sounds like you were doing it wrong.

Another thing, you mentioned that you took cuttings to clone. Where did you take them from on the plant? The top? Middle? Bottom?

[SAP420]

i took the cuttings from the middle of her. When I drain... I drained from the controller but did not get any flow from the water farms. I had to take a cup and dip out the nutes from each water farm. Could not do it any other way. Keep in mind that this is not a recirculating system.

[herbie the love bud]

The bottom tier are the newest growth hormones and the easiest to root, the top the oldest and hardest, so keep that in mind.

Even without a recirculating system when you drain the controller, all of the farms need to drain into it. There's gotta be something wrong. I really encourage you to keep trying it will be worth it down the road.

[SAP420]

In order for me to drain the farms into the controller, I would have to have them sitting higher than the controller to encourage the flow back to it. It just takes much longer to do that way and I can usually have all my plants drained, flushed, and new nutes mixed in half the time it took me to do that. Plus when it comes time to weed out the males, I have to disconnect all the tubing and reconnect so that I don't have any spillage from the barbs that were in the other waterfarms. I dunno man.. just seems way easier this way for me. If you know anyone who wants a controller let me know. Still have everything it came with, although I did have to cut the tubing for the farms. But I am asking 60 for the setup plus whatever to ship. Thanx for the info tho. My clones are doing great so far. They are nice green and very happy. I replaced my fluoro bulb 24" with a new one and has made a difference for sure. I'm just waiting on this girl to do her thing and I will plant the clones soon after.

[d4twamp]

do your cuttings in the bubbler go strait into the net pots w/ hydroton or do you use a plug as well ?...
What nutes do you run in your bubbler water ?...
I've cloned in the past, in RW and oasis cubes in the propagation tray w/ humidome but I just built a bubble cloner a lil different than yours but the same baisc idea, just not using the net pots. I've got the neoprene collars. I haven't put it into service yet. lookin for some new mommies

later D:S5:

[SAP420]

do your cuttings in the bubbler go strait into the net pots w/ hydroton or do you use a plug as well ?...
What nutes do you run in your bubbler water ?...
I've cloned in the past, in RW and oasis cubes in the propagation tray w/ humidome but I just built a bubble cloner a lil different than yours but the same baisc idea, just not using the net pots. I've got the neoprene collars. I haven't put it into service yet. lookin for some new mommies

later D:S5:

I take a cutting and dip the end of it in clone gel and then put it straight into a nice moist rooter plug. Then I take the rooter plug and set it in a 3" basket with hydroton. After that I place the basket in the bubbler and I use early veg feed in the solution underneath to encourage root development and new foliar growth. Of course the new leaves won't show for a while till the roots have started developing. In your case... I think that you would just dip them in clone solution and then put them in your collars with the solution below splashing on the cuttlings.

[SAP420]

Well now I went to using straight water for the cuttings because I checked them today and they were getting nute burn (curling brown edges). So I flush the plugs and hydroton and am using straight water hoping to save them from their demise. :(

[herbie the love bud]

there are rooting stimulants that can be added to straight water but you shouldn't add nutes to cuttings. Too early.

[SAP420]

there are rooting stimulants that can be added to straight water but you shouldn't add nutes to cuttings. Too early.

you think that they will bounce back since I caught it just as the edges were starting to brown?

[SAP420]

Ok, I thought maybe be better to show pics of what I'm talking about. I fucked up and nute burned the babies but hopefully with time they will heal. I have them under a 750 lumens fluorescent lamp. But the momma is growing nice and her pistils are just now starting to really show themselves. More pics to come as I go on with this bloom. Thanks for all advice!

[herbie the love bud]

Ok, I thought maybe be better to show pics of what I'm talking about. I fucked up and nute burned the babies but hopefully with time they will heal. I have them under a 750 lumens fluorescent lamp. But the momma is growing nice and her pistils are just now starting to really show themselves. More pics to come as I go on with this bloom. Thanks for all advice!

I see two things: First your question about bouncing back; remember that plants show signs later than where they are. So for most problems its later than you think to correct. Catching things early is key, but not to make too big a change all the time is the trick. Your plants look like they will bounce back.

BUT, I also see they are _severely_ over watered. And you are definately going to retard the cuttings if not kill them. Take an empty rapid rooter and dip it in water, then squeeze out that water. That is how the rooters should be all the time. If you touch a rooter and your finger gets wet, that is too wet.

[d4twamp]

I can't remember what thread but it was one on bubble cloners and he used only thrive-alive and superthrive in the cloner I think it was 2ml thrive alive and 1 drop superthrive per gal. of water. but I'm not completely sure...

D:S5:

[SAP420]

Thanks for the info Herbie! I took the clones and moved them to a starter tray in new rapid rooters. They hadn't kicked out a single root :(. I went ahead and put new root stimulator on the stems again and placed them down in a rooter each. I also put the dome cover over to help... do you think that I should do that or not? I thought high humidity would help, if not then I will take it off.

[herbie the love bud]

I can't remember what thread but it was one on bubble cloners and he used only thrive-alive and superthrive in the cloner I think it was 2ml thrive alive and 1 drop superthrive per gal. of water. but I'm not completely sure...

D:S5:

4 tsp per gallon of thrive alive (20 ml) and no need for superthrive. That's all you need.

[herbie the love bud]

Thanks for the info Herbie! I took the clones and moved them to a starter tray in new rapid rooters. They hadn't kicked out a single root :(. I went ahead and put new root stimulator on the stems again and placed them down in a rooter each. I also put the dome cover over to help... do you think that I should do that or not? I thought high humidity would help, if not then I will take it off.

Yeah they were too wet and that was inhibiting them. Don't worry they are going to be ok now. Get some perlite and spread it in the tray. Just like a 1/4" deep. Then lay your rooter grid on top of that. FOr now just spray them down nice and humid and leave the dome on. That will due for a couple of days. Then you can add the water over the rooters and the excess will drain into the perlite and keep the rooters just moist enough.

[SAP420]

Thought I would kick out another set of pics for those of you who are following. She is kicking out super long pistils. I have never seen a plant kick out pistils that long. Usually with this strand I have alot of short pistils kicking out everywhere. She smells like the bomb though. More potent than I ever remember. Anyhow tell me what you think. Thanks!

[SAP420]

I plan on blooming the shit out of her since she's all I got :D. I hope the kool bloom will help out. I haven't used any kool bloom but will introduce it in week 4 of feed.

[hatecable]

that first pic makes me want to hold hands and sing carols around it.
looking good man.

[SAP420]

LOL funny shit man.... fuck it, I would take a weed tree over a Christmas tree any day. How did you get the pic on your username?

[SAP420]

So does anyone think that I can cut the big unnecessary fan leaves off the plant and only leave the bud sites in tact to help the buds absorb more of the light than the large leaves? I've heard of people doing that so that all the energy is focussed more into the buds rather than the leaves absorbing it all. Just curious!

:jointsmile:

[hatecable]

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As far as the fan leaves go. Ive hear of that too, but I think it also had to do with airflow getting through the plant and more light getting to the other leaves that do more work and less storing energy. I think. Dont quote me on it.

[herbie the love bud]

So does anyone think that I can cut the big unnecessary fan leaves off the plant and only leave the bud sites in tact to help the buds absorb more of the light than the large leaves? I've heard of people doing that so that all the energy is focussed more into the buds rather than the leaves absorbing it all. Just curious!

:jointsmile:
No. I prune regularly and even posted something here with pics on pruning (maybe it should be a sticky;-)), anyway, the buds rely on the fan leaves to collect the light for it. Let's say you were in mid bloom with colas. If you cut off all your fan leaves, you would stop the plant and it would feebly try and push all of the fan leaves within the bud themselves to try and grab light.

What you can do (and should do) is trim off all of the fan leaves lower than the canopy of light and remove all of the pop corn buds that are not connected to a cola.

However, in YOUR situation, that will also cause the plant to shoot its growth upward and you would outgrow your tent because you brought them into flower too tall. So this time live with it and identify at harvest what bud sites were not worthy, and on the NEXT run use that knowledge of your plant to prune that crap and send the energy to the colas.

[d4twamp]

Wut's up Sap,

How r the babies doing comin back good I hope

I wouldn't prune anything I don't have to. if it's a branch that isn't gonna give me much bud it might be better off living the rest of it's life as a clone. you've got some space in the bubbler I see

D:S5:

[SAP420]

Wut's up Sap,

How r the babies doing comin back good I hope

I wouldn't prune anything I don't have to. if it's a branch that isn't gonna give me much bud it might be better off living the rest of it's life as a clone. you've got some space in the bubbler I see

D:S5:

Actually the babies died man. I messed them up putting them in the bubbler. I shoulda put them in my dome tray setup and then once roots showed.. into the bubbler. Well I learned my lesson on that.

[SAP420]

I decided to cut off 2 new clones from the lower part of my girl and try to get them to root again this time using only my seedling tray with damp rapid rooters. I will wait till roots show before moving to bubbler this time. I do not have the dome over top, figured would be good to have fresh air since they aren't seedlings. I will post new pics in a while.

[hatecable]

I think you want the dome over the top and mist the inside of it with water because the cuttings dont have roots to get the water out of the rooter so they have to get it through the leaves until the roots develop.

[SAP420]

I'll try that man. Here are some new pics of pistils on the girl and some of her clones. I know its not the typical looking clone but its all I have to work with. Should work anyhow.

[herbie the love bud]

Its a little harder to clone a flowering plant, but like you said, it's the only thing you got to work with, so hopefully it will work out.

That cloning gel is good, also if you can get some Thrive-Alive B-1 20ml to a gallon of water and use that mixture to water your plants. In about 2 weeks you should have some good roots.

[d4twamp]

Sap,
How long has the mom been flowering, I've taken cuts from a flowering plant too they rooted pretty quick but took a lil bit longer to get to veggin again but that could be strain specific Idk ...

Try some neoprene collars in the cloner then when the the babies grow some feet transplant them into the hydroton and net pots, no plugs to over water or buy, just dip them in your rooting gel and into the bubbler. just my 2 honest abe's

later D:S5:

[SAP420]

Sap,
How long has the mom been flowering, I've taken cuts from a flowering plant too they rooted pretty quick but took a lil bit longer to get to veggin again but that could be strain specific Idk ...

Try some neoprene collars in the cloner then when the the babies grow some feet transplant them into the hydroton and net pots, no plugs to over water or buy, just dip them in your rooting gel and into the bubbler. just my 2 honest abe's

later D:S5:

Hey, She has been in bloom mode now for 2 weeks and the clones are still nice, green, and perky so I will let them sit in the rooters and develop their roots hopefully. I have been misting them with water daily like hatecable suggested and taking the dome off twice a day to let some 'ol CO2 get in there. I don't have neoprene collars and I don't have a cloner setup, just a bubbler that I made. If I can get the roots to show up, I will have no problem getting them started up in my bubbler. I have done that before and it worked great. Thanks for the advice though :thumbsup:

[SAP420]

Here are some new pics of the plant. As you can see, I had to bend her some because she was getting awefully close to the lamp. The problem now is, as you can see, she keeps working her way back to the light. I want to know if I can "top" her and everything be all good. Will a new cola form at the top after I do that? As you can see she is kicking out some nice little nugs here and there. I added koolbloom to this change out and like seriously over night the buds starting popping up all over. This stuff is amazing so far! I am using the powder so all I used was a 1/4 tsp to 2 gallons of nute mix. Any advice is definitely welcome! :thumbsup:

[xcrispi]

Hey SAP ,
Curious why ya never topped em ? I used to get 8-10 headed monsters in the old sq. w/f .
Peace
Crispi :stoned:

[SAP420]

Hey SAP ,
Curious why ya never topped em ? I used to get 8-10 headed monsters in the old sq. w/f .
Peace
Crispi :stoned:

Honestly man, I have no clue about topping. I always wondered why some of you get massive colas on your plants and just figured that it happened during the flower stage. Is it too late to even bother? And any tips on that would help. When you say topping your plant do you mean "fim"? I just learned about fimming a plant and will try on my next grow.

[dooobster]

Topping & Fimming are 2 completely different animals.
I think you should try bending some branches down & tying them... LST is your friend :)

[SAP420]

Topping & Fimming are 2 completely different animals.
I think you should try bending some branches down & tying them... LST is your friend :)

LST?
when you say tie them down, you mean to bend the limbs downward with string? which limbs should I bend down? The ones with the little nugs on them or no? Thanks for the info!

[d4twamp]

I wouldn't try topping now it's a little late in the game for that imho...but I agree w/ dooobster lst is your friend. tie down that main cola then when the lower branches catch up with the top tie them down, any lower branches that are only gonna produce popcorn cut em now. that's my 2 cents I lst'd a plant in dirt on my last crop for experimental sake, it looked like a mini X-mas tree lot, and was the biggest yielder and the smallest plant of the bunch

D:S5:

[SAP420]

Here are some pics of my new clones that I cut a few days ago. They are all three kicking out roots and the strangest thing is that they are even kicking out roots above the rooter but it looks like I have guaranteed girls for my next grow. Tell me what ya think!

[d4twamp]

DAMN Sap, that clone in the middle pic is gonna have a fatty stalk on her.
The rooting on top might be from the rooting hormone oozing out from around the stalk and out of the hole..that's happened to me before I used to use oasis cubes in the propagation tray w/ dome. I just recently built a bubble cloner like yours but w/ the neoprene collars...cut em, dip em, drop in the cloner, then transplant to net pots and start em vegging after their root system has developed..so much cheaper then buying a cloner retail.

D:S5:

[soobie05]

wow, that is pretty weird. there just horny and ready for some action.

[SAP420]

Here is some good 'ole pics for your viewing pleasure. She is into week 3 of flower right now and the buds look very delicious so far. I have been going to college at night so I haven't been on as much but I decided to show the momma as she is moving right along. I am feeding her full bloom feed from the gh series nutes and I have added kool bloom to her as well. Seems to be working great! I also have a pic of her clones which I already have vegging in 3 water farms. When she is done blooming, I am going to start flower on her babies next. Tell me what ya think! Thanks for all of you that are following along and helping out!

[d4twamp]

shit sap she's a tall girl

[SAP420]

yeah, she wasn't supposed to get that tall but shit happens ya know. I won't let the clones get near that tall.

[hatecable]

hey bud, thinks its time for an update dont ya think?:D

[d4twamp]

yeah wuts goin on in sap's neck of the hood

[SAP420]

Okay, I have been so busy with work and school and haven't had much time to do any updating but here is the latest. My girl is on her 3rd to last week of bloom and then I will be using straight water to clean the chemicals out completely. She has budded quite nicely and I expect to get about 3 oz. off of her. She smells very delicious I might add :). The kool bloom has really stressed her out as the label says it will do to help fatten up the buds. You might notice the yellowing of upper leaves which has to be due to the kool bloom. Anyhow enjoy.

:smokebong:

[d4twamp]

the yellow could also be the plant using up that last bit of nitrates as the bloom nutes don't use much or any nitrogen, just means less nutes to flush out..nice job... are your clones still kickin

D

[SAP420]

the clones are growing very slowly as I have not put them under a hid lamp yet..... but they seem a bit shocked still from moving them to my farms. We shall see how they do. I will put pics of them up in due time.

[hatecable]

Lookin good man. Almost there! I dont know about you, but Im counting the days already and Im still 5 weeks out. Been home sick for the last 3 and counting those days has been slooow.

I really want to hear the difference from your normal yield to using the Kool Bloom. Ive wanted to get some so bad, but I have already spent a bit of money just getting set up starting from scratch again. I still have a couple weeks before I would use it, so.. who knows.

I wanna see you grow some good seeds one of these days. Gonna have to get you some powerful strain one of these days to grow.

[SAP420]

Honestly man, I have noticed a major difference between with and without kool bloom. The buds are very dense compared to without and normally it takes longer for the buds to really fatten up but this seems to have kind of cut that in half. So I highly recommend kool bloom if you wanna get some good 'ole dense buds. :thumbsup:

[godzira]

Looking good man, whats the height on that lady now, and what was the strain again?

[SAP420]

She's about 4.5 feet tall give or take without the waterfarm's height. I have no idea what strain this is. It is from some bagseed I had. I am too scared to order seeds. I love weed but not gonna risk jail time even though its just a damn bush.

[d4twamp]

Just a damn bush...lol... that cracks me up SAP

[SAP420]

Ok, I decided to let her go for another week of feed because she seems to still keep fattening up on the buds. There aren't any red pistil on the big colas yet so I figured I should wait a bit longer before I start flushing with plain water. I have to say that from here on out I will always use kool bloom with my flowering plants due to the fact that I have never gotten buds this fat in any grow. I decided to put 1 pic up of the clones under their fluoro lamp. They are spacey because of the lamps low lumens. As soon as momma plant is done I will be moving them to flower in the tent.

:smokebong:

[SAP420]

Yes as the title implies, I trimmed her down to nothing :). I got about .5 oz. just in excess little tiny nugs and I have the bigger colas dryer in the grow tent leaving the exhaust fan running nonstop as well as the circulating fan. I figure I will get about 3 oz off of her at the most but I will give the final weigh-in after they have dried completely. I did 1 full week of plain water to help flush her out. As far as koolbloom goes, the buds really fattened up more than ever. I will use bloom boosters for now on on future grows. I did noticed that with the bloom boosters, the plant was waaay stressed but damn they do work! I have these pics up so you can see my final harvest on this girl. I will have the clones in a different grow log in the actual grow log section as I should have put this in the grow log area as well. Tell me what ya think! Thanks! SAP

[d4twamp]

Love pic # 4 SAP:thumbsup:

D

[toxinn]

awesome grow dude!

[SAP420]

:D:DThanks Toxinn! I worked hard with her and it was fun. She was my 4th hydroponic grow, but the first one with an actual tent grow. Her buds are drying right now but the buds are releasing an all-so-sweet aroma through my upstairs. It is a very sweet smelling bud. I have grown this particular strain for 3 grows now and it is a pretty intense high. I have no clue as to what strain it is but that it is an indica/sativa mix I have come to conlude. It is from some mexico grown bagseed. Thanks for the input! Also D4twamp.. I threw that pic of her chopped to a stick because I thought it would be funny. Anyhow I will be putting up a new grow log of her clones. I have 2 clones already about 8" tall and will put that up later tonite. I am moving them to my tent in the next couple of days or so and start their flowering process. I actually have their vegging under a fluorescent tube and seems to work very well. I may just start using my hps for the flowering stage and use the fluoros for the veg just to save on my electric bill and bulbs. :D


:smokebong:

[d4twamp]

Hell yeah that way you can have a perpetual harvest..w/ a mom to keep the clones coming...

I was admiring that pic of the stock still in the system I wanted to do that too the next grow...lol... kind of a before & after shot, I thought it would be funny too , guess you beat me to it...

Hey nothing wrong w/ bag seeds from Mex, chances are they were free and I've smoked some of a fellow growers Mex Sativa, that shit def had medicinal properties...

:thumbsup: to you Sap and good luck w/ the biggun's offspring...

what was the final weigh in for her btw

D

[SAP420]

Ok. The buds have been curing in a bag in my cupboard for roughly 4 days and the final weight of the product is 2.75 oz. Not too bad for one plant. I have to say that kool bloom made this possible. Enjoy the snapshots as this is the finale post for this grow. I will start a new post in the grow log section called "my clone grow". Tell me what ya think! SAP

[d4twamp]

How often are you pulling it out of the bag to move the buds around...

[SAP420]

once a day for ten minutes and then seal it back.

[Sandm4n]

great job man that bud looks so freaking good! :thumbsup:

[halfassedjedi]

dude how does that bud smoke? that shit looks so purple.

:thumbsup:

[SAP420]

dude how does that bud smoke? that shit looks so purple.

:thumbsup:

The bud vapes quite well, haven't smoked it at all. I have always vaped as of lately. Its a very strong body high as well as an incredible mind high. Makes you super sleepy too...lol. I have her clones budding right now so I can't wait again to harvest them. Thanks for the remarks all! I am using an extreme vaporizer and absolutely love it!

[SAP420]

I have finally posted pics of my new clones that are in bloom phase right now. I also cut 5 clones off of them to keep the supply going. Check it out!

http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/165920-christmas-clones.html