tell me I'm wrong, I'm asking

[fireman25]

Here's where I'm at......
one mango kush seed germinated by means of paper towel method...........placed cracked seed, taproot down, in rapid rooter plug.........watered with tap water with a ph of 6 with 2 23w(100w) 5500k cfl's under a 10 inch reflector hood for 7 days...........on day 8 placed seedling in waterfarm with 2 6inch air stones and hydroton (soaked to ph of 6 for 5 days) and added 2 14w(60w) 5500k cfl's and 2 27w(100w) 3500k cfl's.......added 4ml of gen hydro's micro, grow, and bloom along with 4ml of hygrozyme to the 2 gallon res in the waterfarm.The cfl's are never more than 3 inches away..........temps stay between 68 and 78.......all grown in a cabinet lined with mylar.

Ok finally here's my question..........anything jump out as wrong?? Plant seems fine but it's my first grow ever and I want to get it right. As soon as I charge my camera I'll have pics.

[fireman25]

two more things.........humidity around 60 constantly.........today is day 8.......

[herbie the love bud]

Dude I was on the edge of my seat waiting for the kicker until I got to the end of the post. Your just more enthusiastic than a plant can handle. First, you have way too much light. Second too much nutes.

Next tell us more about the plant than the days. Like, did you get a root mass outside the rooter before you transferred it? And how many leaves does it have? In either event it doesn't need any nutes right now at all and it just needs a SINGLE 25w floro above its head and a good 9 inches even.

I know, it seems unnatural, but trust me.

[the image reaper]

do not add any fertilizers for the first two weeks after germination ... the plant carries everything it needs in it's cotyldons ... :jointsmile:

[SAP420]

One airstone is more than sufficient for a single waterfarm too btw. You only have to use a 1/4 tsp of gh micro, gh grow, and gh bloom also if you do feed the seedling nutes. But I usually feed the plants nutes when their 3rd set of leaves start coming in. Sometimes I just wait till I see yellowing starting on the lower leaves showing that they are sapping energy out of the lower leaves to feed. Hope that helps.:hippy:

[fireman25]

The plant has been in the waterfarm for two days now. It has developed it's third set of leaves and looks healthy. I have had it on an 18/6 light cycle since it was placed in the rapid rooter. There were roots showing from the plug before transplant. I didn't add nutes until it showed the third set of leaves which was the same time it was put in the waterfarm. There are only about 310 ppm in the waterfarm res. (4ml of micro, grow, and bloom each with 4ml of hygrozyme) Should I get rid of the nutes and just use plain water? Whats this about to much light??? I thought more light = better grow.....? How much light should there be? When do I add more and how much? Even though the plant looks healthy now am I headed for trouble if I don't change something? Thanks for the quick replys.

[Weedhound]

Uhhh WOW!

You didn't just smoke a bit of herb that made you paranoid did you??? What's WHAT about too much light? Dude you're scaring ME and I don't even know what you're worried about. :eek:

Calm yourself and restate please......:wink:

PS....What ph are you keeping your plants at?

[fireman25]

someone said, about 3 posts up, that I had too much light and should only be using a single 25w flouro.......that doesn't sound right to me. As far as ph I keep it between 5.8 and 6.2.

[SAP420]

Your ph is fine man. And there isn't such thing as too much light... now there is such thing as not enough light. When your 3rd set of leaves come in... you can start feeding your plants with seedling feed... and by a week later you can change out your nutes... be sure to flush you plants hydroton each week and then start feeding the early grow feed, by the next week you should be able to feed the next step up on your feed chart on your nutes. Seedlings don't need any food really till after the 3rd set of leaves.

[SAP420]

I think herbie was just saying that 1 25w bulb would be sufficient for now but not that 2 bulbs were too much. Saves on power costs ya know.. not that cfl bulbs take that much to begin with. So.. with a ph between 5.5 and 6.5 is good. Lots of light is a great thing not bad. and as long as you keep the temps between 75 and 85. I put my seedlings in my water farm as soon as there are 2 sets of leaves and at least one root coming through and I use plain water till the 3rd set of leaves come through. Then use seedling feed dose. But you are on the right track. I do recommend a HID lamp down the road for flowering though or you will not have that great of a yield. Like you even said... more light = more yield.
Good Luck! :thumbsup:

[herbie the love bud]

Ok, good details, carry on this way be slow and patient with the nutes. With regard to the light there is definately such a thing as too much light. A cannabis plant in full flower can use a maximum of 10K lumens, no more. A seedling can use no more than about 500. Veg uses about 3500. More than those amounts will easily bleach your fan leaves.

When we cut clones for instance we trim back the leaves so as not to collect too much light while trying to develop roots for instance.

[GreenLeaf420]

I don't know about to much Light... I would just watch the Fert other then that it sounds like you have a good hand on it... With the W/F's just make sure not to VEG to Long or you will get root Rot I have a Thread First Time DWC and you can see all possible mistakes on it Ill post up a link... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Good Luck GL http://boards.cannabis.com/hydroponics/155689-first-time-dwc-w-water-farm-buckets.html Sorry can not jump down New System

[fireman25]

if a vegging plant can only handle 3500 lumens then why do people use MH bulbs when they give off way more than that (correct me if I'm wrong). Side note.......plant looks good and environment seems to be perfect but I noticed that the rapid rooter in the center of the hydroton is dry, very dry......is that a problem???? Took pics.....but don't have the cable .....soon....stay with me.....

[SAP420]

if a vegging plant can only handle 3500 lumens then why do people use MH bulbs when they give off way more than that (correct me if I'm wrong). Side note.......plant looks good and environment seems to be perfect but I noticed that the rapid rooter in the center of the hydroton is dry, very dry......is that a problem???? Took pics.....but don't have the cable .....soon....stay with me.....
how often is your waterfarm dripsystem running? At least 15 mins on every hour no? You don't necessarily have to keep the rapid rooter super wet but if it seems a bit on the dry side, you might want to have it drip maybe a couple times an hour 15 mins each time. I just don't recommend steady drip, could lead to root rot.

[herbie the love bud]

Hydroton shouldn't be dry or soaking wet, it should be damp. A veg lamp of 400 Watt for instance puts out 10K lumens at 2.5 feet, from there is drops down significantly. So at 3 feet or so it is putting out more than enough light for the whole veg cycle and penetrating deep into the canopy while leaving a good amount of head room for cooling.

[fireman25]

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[fireman25]

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[allrollsin21]

some of those pics look like an alien abduction machine...sucking your brain into outer space. Thats all i got, just observing, trust me your better off that way!

[herbie the love bud]

those don't need nutes yet.

[fireman25]

kinda glad there not.....just realized I have no idea how much nutes I should be giving them at what stage anyway....... The nutrients I have are general hydroponics micro, grow, and bloom along with hygrozyme......... Should I just follow the suggested ml that came with the waterfarm? Is it safe to use full strength hygrozme (8-10ml / gal ) during entire grow? any other comments good/bad about my grow and setup? .......still new and want to learn EVERYTHING.

[herbie the love bud]

I think hygrozyme is safe throughout, they have different recommendations on the bottle for different phases.

You still have a while to go before needing nutes. Probably about a week at least. Right now just be mellow with your plant.

[fireman25]

plant has been growing for 19 days.....setup is still the same.....but I feel like somethings off with the growth. Does it look healthy/on track from the pictures? Am I just being impatient.....just feel like its growing too slowly, but looks pretty healthy. Is it ready for nutrients yet? :weedpoke:

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[hatecable]

from what ive read, you should be ready for 1/4 dose nutes now and then work up to full strength over 2 weeks or so.. I think. Id wait for another of the regulars to agree or slam me before Id go ahead though. 3rd set of leaves is the turning point as far as I know.

[SAP420]

Yes go ahead and start feeding your plants seedling/cutling feed. if you are using gh series nutes it should be 1/4 tsp per gallon of water. Make sure you mix the micro first before the grow and bloom or you will have nutrient lockout issues. Then flush out exactly 1 week later and start on a new mix of early grow feed of 1 tsp per gallon.

[NoDrugs4Me]

"Make sure you mix the micro first before the grow and bloom or you will have nutrient lockout issues. Then flush out exactly 1 week later and start on a new mix of early grow feed of 1 tsp per gallon."

so that's why my leaves are crispi.... haven't flushed yet and mix in the order of Grow, Bloom, Micro, then add CalMag+ or Liquid Karma... AND NOW IT'S TIME TO FLOWER!!!!!!

DUDE-----
your setup is the BOMB for a single plant!! MUCH props!
I love how you have heavy duty chains holding your lights up, an exhaust it looks like, PLUS some kind of reflective material.... even know about environment...you've done your homework...

We LOVE herb, you and I, and we both want to overdo it. I had to learn to calm down, spend 30 mins a day in the room and just talk to them and then be done. Of course I would check my pH two or three times a day and my PPM every other, but you know what I mean!

You're on your way to success.

My only tips would be----
1) Latewoods Recipe... it's stickied. Go a little lighter on the nutes than his recipe due to your DWC setup.
2) Plan, blueprint, design your flower room/cabinet NOW!!! How many square feet, ventilation, lights (600 watt HPS, perhaps), and VENTILATION!!!!

Come smoke one when you're done... shit, it's all fun!

[SAP420]

If you read the label on your gh series nutes they tell you to mix micro first and foremost. Always pay attention to your manufacturers nutes instructions!

[fireman25]

just changed my nutes......is it normal if the ph before nutes is 6.0 then after adding micro, grow, and bloom(in that order) the ph is 5.7......then after hygrozyme it's 5.1???

[herbie the love bud]

yeah. Nutes are buffered so they bring down the pH and hold it there. Over the course of the week if you top off with fresh water continuously u should see the pH rise as the EC drops. That's normal as the plants drink out the nutes removing the buffering agents.

[fireman25]

why did the hygrozyme bring the ph down to 5.1 from 5.7? .....was I wrong in bringging the ph back to 5.7?

[herbie the love bud]

I don't know why it brought down the pH, but anything from 5.2 to 6.5 I wouldn't really change. People try and hit a target of 5.8 and that's good, but I think it's difficult for a beginner and you end up chasing your pH too much. While you are just starting, the theme of what I have been telling you is less is more and just be mellow with your plants.