Second Grow new Problems

[hoho123]

Hey this is my second grow the first was with cfls was going really good one plant about 300 or so watts in the room.

i had to harvest early (thieves) i was just mostly mad but not worth it it was a sativa and i took her at week 8 or so so like 2 or 3 weeks more im sure

anyways im almost into a month of veg 8 crystal (norther lights X white widow) and one random seed i got from a bag of some kill so a hermi.

Room
flower room
7x9
vegging room
8x8

Pots


Soil
Vermiculite
perlight

Nutrients
Bio Grow
Bio Bloom

lights
Veg
i have a dual 4ft t12 with 2 32 watt 6500K above each
row of 3

Flowering
(1) 1000 watt hps
(4-6) 4ft dual t12 w3000K

so far i have to clean mold off the wall once with bleach. i got the mold from a little leak cuz of flooding problems due to rain that got behind the mylar.

couldn't smell for a few days and took off my finger prints could be a good think haha.

then because of the mold i got mold fly's haven't taking care of that i was going to use neem oil for the leaves, peroxide to get rid of any larva if there are any but i dont know how much to use and i think i mix with PH water?

the other question is i have green algae growing in my soil is this bad? but my plants look good growing big and healthy shorty and bushy just like i want. also i was thinking that the peroxidewill help with that too.

thanks for the help im getting worried about every little thing even the red on the stems which im pretty sure is normal is freaking me out plz help

[jmello]

everything you just said is happening to me too when i get an answer ill let you know....does the algae look like small green fish eggs??? ive never seen that before..thats what i get for using generic brand soil

[hoho123]

um yea sorta looks like fish eggs its forming up around the stem i think it might be from the light hitting the soil is ur container see though mines not but i am getting light on top

[hoho123]

still hoping for help if anyones out there tomorrow im setting up 12/12 and making the filter plus fan to cool the 1000
when i topped this one it got crazy

leaf http://i36.tinypic.com/51u4oy.jpg

this was about a 3 weeks ago
http://i35.tinypic.com/1zwc6du.jpg

this is what color the leafs are getting i think is cuz shes been on only water for a few day

[hoho123]

this is the third day on just a lil water the soil should be dry by now checked them yesterday and they were still a lil moist i seem to of gotten rid of the nats still a few and there looks like there's some bit marks on one of the plants ill post pics later today

im getting ready to set up 12/12 im about to head to the hardware store and get some supplies to make the carbon filter plus fan i can smell it as soon as i walk in the house cant imagin how much its going to stink in flowering.

grow store is closed so Monday im buying the 1000 hps light bulb i got 4 dual t12 32watt 3000k bulbs on the side and im thinkin of tossing 4 more on top next to the 1000 watt hps with all that light im thinkin its going to be around 32 watts per sq. ft.

i want to clone so ill just wait to see whos going to be a mom out of the 9 i got

8 are crystal
1 bag seed sativa...(long and thin)?

ill ether pull out 2 or 3 depending on how meny male vs female maybe ill be lucky and all female ill post pics of the room when its done

[lunarose]

Hi,

I can help you with the peroxide 30mls in a gallon of water. I could not see the algae in your pictures is it still an issue?

[hoho123]

the algae is till there haven't taken care of that yet i was waiting for the flush before flowering thanks for that info i was having trouble finding some one that was using soil and used peroxide.

how much percent of peroxide is in the bottle you use the one i have on hand is 3%

does it burn the plant at all?

again thanks for ur help

[GreenLeaf420]

Need more info TEMP< HUMIDITY All Conditions

[hoho123]

im waiting on the carbon to go back and finish the room for flowering
i sprayed for bugs and will do it again in a day or so

i am going put a few more holes in the buckets thers only one 2 inches from the bottom and im going to flush with water and peroxide a cap full of 3% per gallon and im going to runoff about 2 gallons per plant at ph 6.0

after they dry in a day or so im going to start feeding with bio boom a ml. per gallon with a half ml. of bio grow per gallon

the pots im useing are 9qt. so 2.25 gallons i was thinkin this was large enough but its been about a month and a half of them vegging longer then i wanted and i think they are going to out grow these pots quickly any one have any ideas on this should i transfer before flowering or will they do ok in these pots

tomorrow i will post pics of the completed room w/ room size and a pic of my homemade carbon filter that cost me under 100 with fan, carbon, and ducting to cool the room

i would appreciate any help or comments anyone mvp bear stinky u guys know ur stuff its nice to get a absolute answer from the pros

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Just FYI hydrogen peroxide can be benificial to the plants in small quantities. Its makeup is H2O2 so it is water with an extra oxygen atom. This oxygen atom is absorbed by the roots therfore helping the roots. I have used as much as 1 tbls. per gallon of water with no negitive side effects. Don't use it to often as it may eventualy raise your soil PH.

BOL JG

[hoho123]

again something went wrong but im not stressing this time my 1000 hps balast is bad but the guy at the grow guy is going to take a look at it and tell me whats wrong if its really bad im going to buy 2x600 watt hps o yea plus i havent flushed or covered the top to get rid of algae

also the house still smells not that stinky but still there im going to give the carbon filter another day or so to get rid of the smell if not im going to incresse the size of the filter by another foot or 2 and up the fan from 250 cfms to 450 the reason for the big jump the 250 doesnt pull enough air to cool my computer with a 1000 or 2x600 that rooms going to be hotter then hell and im going to need the 450 if not that plus the 250
i might put the 450befor the carbon and the 250 all way at the end where it mets the ducting for the rest of the house

pots still really moist and there doing alright lights in bad position so there already reaching at this rate i wont be into flowering until 15 or later so i defiantly need new buckets ill prolly use the 5 gallon seeing how they are easier to find. i have like 5 laying around so ill need 4 more

im also getting a veggin box from a friend don't know what it looks like but this will be good for the smaller guys and clones i might attempt at cloning again but its kinda a waste if i dont know the sex
i was thinking of putting them all in flowering for a week or so find the sex take out the males but i dont know with the lights i got now its pretty pathetic so ill prolly just wait.......
the waiting game

these are pics i took the other day of the same plant that got the damage dont really know what to think it doensnt look new but then again its on top and that doesnt look old.... any ideas

http://i33.tinypic.com/kdqzvn.jpg

http://i38.tinypic.com/2ewl4zk.jpg



this is the monster
http://i38.tinypic.com/33cltgk.jpg

[Opie Yutts]

Hey hey, ho ho, hows it going. I'm not skilled at problem diagnosis, so when I get a problem I always refer to the problem charts. I posted at least three of them and I know there are many more (maybe search "problem chart"). Somewhere in this forum is even a couple step by step, flow chart-type diagnosis thingees, ie. If the problem is only on the lower leaves, go to step 6.

You say your pots are pretty wet, and you are having a problem with algae. Sounds like overwatering, or lack of ventilation. Both are a common noob mistake. (Nothing against noobs, it's impossible to become experienced without first being a newbie.) Like GL asked, what's the temp and humidity? Optimum is 82 and 60 respectively at the canopy. You should only be watering after the soil has dried out. On some of my plants this is nearly 2 weeks. Not only should you be venting your lights, but it is very important to vent the grow area as well. Not only will it help keep down mold, moss, algae, etc. but if your plants gently rustle in a breeze they will grow bigger, and be stronger so they can support the weight of the huge buds they're going to have.

What's a vegging box?

I wouldn't worry too much about purple or pink stems at this point. Though it can be an indication of a nutrient surplus/deficiency, your plants aren't looking real bad at this point and I wouldn't be real concerned. Some plants just have purple stems no matter how healthy they are.

Be sure to read up on how to vent well so you don't have to tear apart your grow 3 times like I did. Can't tell for sure from the photos, but it looks like those fluorescents could be a little closer to the plants. That's one main advantage of fluorescents and it makes a big difference if they are close.

[hoho123]

yea most of thoese problems i have relized with out a real solution for the time being.

over
watering for my last grow i had the water measured last time and i thought the one whole would vent it but yea i was wrong so ive been waiting for it to dry out and thats as far as thats gotten

lights i had them setup like that cuz i was getting ready for flowering but not there anymore and i was kinda really high so i really didnt care when i was there

thanks for stoping by and thanks for the help

[hoho123]

after checking the chart ( Grow Marijuana FAQ, Cannabis cultivation - marijuana growing tips & photos (http://www.drugs-forum.com/growfaq/97.htm) ) the same one i used for my first cfl grow which i had to search for on the internet again its obvious its ph fluctuation problems they got a good tester at the grow store for 7 bucks so ill pick up

[SimonMakus]

Opie, GREAT constructive post getting the OP to find out exactly what he needs for himself instead of hand-holding. I feel that's the true measure of an instructor's skill/worth. :thumbsup:

Good call on the pH problem, Hoho, it's definitely out of whack. Probably low and locking out (at least) calcium. What type of tester do they have at your shop?

You mention "soil" "vermiculite" and "perlight" as your medium. Care to elaborate? If you're using a good mix you'll have fewer problems in the long run. I use LC's Soilless Mix #1 and find it's just fantastic for my needs. If you're in the states, all materials should be readily available at Lowe's, Home Depot, Wal-mart, etc.

5 parts sphagnum peat or coir
3 parts perlite
2 parts EWC or compost
2 TBLS Dolomite lime per gallon of medium
(International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums - Organics for Beginners (http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=53792))

A few other quick things - you had to take down your plant because of thieves? That's NOT a good sign, man. If that were a possibility I'd find a new place far away from all the people you probably told about your grow. lol Sorry if that sounds harsh! Just don't want you to go to jail or hurt because of your hobby.

Lastly, your watts per square foot. While people HAVE done amazing things with less, 32 is not ideal for a beginner. Cut down your floor space and shoot for AT LEAST 50. I'd go even more as the extra light will compensate (to a point) for newbie mistakes, as far as yield goes.

Sorry for the length of this post. Take care, bud! ;)

[hoho123]

yea i rather people tell me where to find things then tell me the problem then i dont forget and i can learn more i think i was being a lil lazy also

this is the new place thats y i cut the plant and my losses and got some where new thanks for the advice ill defently cut floor space 5x5 maybe less

got the balast fixed for 30 buck hope fully ill have a full post later tonight

the mix is a stight 50 50 mix had lot of it laying around and cheap is good so i went with it i wanted to get the soil mix bio bizz makes but that'll be next time i wanna get some clones going ill try that today

[SimonMakus]

No problem! :thumbsup:

What is "stight 50 50 mix?" You need to know what your medium is to grow effectively and efficiently in soil(less).

I can completely understand doing things on the cheap, but the mix I posted (thanks to BurnOne and Lavender Cowboy!) is actually cheaper than commercial pre-mixed potting soils, especially the "organic" types. (And yes, this is an organic base-mix; add amendments and you're on your way to being a "water-only" guy.)

Let's see those pics! :)

[hoho123]

wow there getting big. at first i worried about how big there getting and i wasnt sure what i was going to do. i thought about it and im thinking the best thing to do is the SCROG method because the difference in plant size the smallest is about a foot and the tallest about 2 maybe a lil less any other ideas?

got my ballast fixed for 50 not bad now im waiting on getting the inline fan hopefully i can get the 6inch one depending on my budget but im still not sure if 400cfm is too much for only a 2 foot piece 6 inch diameter full of carbon but i also want the fan to pull enough air to cool the room and give it a negative pressure to ensure no smell leak

i have enough carbon to make a 4 foot piece but i dont want to if i dont have to plus i can sell my left over? ive researched for a long time but im still kinda confused

i also searched for ever on how to thumb nail my pics instead of how i post them? cant find anything

sativa
http://i38.tinypic.com/b4bz94.jpg

indica sprout was the smallest at one like opie pointed out they might stretch and for sure they did
http://i35.tinypic.com/wthlqf.jpg

indica baby monster one of my favs i planed on making them all this bushy
http://i38.tinypic.com/2qvtr45.jpg

hopefully this weekend i will be able to get every thing done

[hoho123]

i was also thinkin i could LST them i know its kinda late but so is SCROG the other idea is just take the biggest out of the flower room and turn them into clones. i have not mastered cloning well i havent even done it once successfully but im hopefull

[Opie Yutts]

I don't think it's too late for LST or SCROG. I usually don't even have a screen over mine until they go into the bud chamber. You can bend a plant around at any stage, but I wouldn't cut anything after they've gone to flower.

[hoho123]

so my partner sucks no new fan in the room i was a lil mad but im ok now im going to hang all the 4 foot florescent above. i have about 7 or 6 so how ever many fit then im going to hang cfl all around each plant so about 6 cfl per plant
i plan in useing 4 sockets with spliters thats alot of cfls hopeful when it gets colder in a month i can toss the 1000 in there for the last month at least the last 2 weeks

ill be fixing up the room for 12/12 going into 12/12 no mater what too night

i not even sure if i wanna change bucket size ive done too much work and spent too much money and its still kinda a half as job if i do change bucket size i dont wanna use any money so not sure how that will work soil? only bad ideas come to mine hahha

im not stressed ill set up shop somewhere else with the master kush seeds i got

every one stay tuned this has turned into a CFL/Florescent grow should be interesting

PS
i was watching the show weeds the other day dam its gone down hill anyways the kid had this cloner closet with pockets for the clones it was like a hydro hut but full of clones. did any one see that show? has anyone ever even hurd of this or seen it?

[hoho123]

been super busy but i havent posted yet because i havent really finished the room so its beeh 2.5 weeks of flowering heres whats going on

http://i37.tinypic.com/sxjbwl.jpg http://i37.tinypic.com/1z6rgp.jpg http://i35.tinypic.com/bhesrl.jpg

[smoothsmoke]

tough times get that set up asap

[hoho123]

finally the last week im having trouble identifying a problem
the lights were out could of been a day or even 2 days but the issue is im getting deformed leaves on top and new growth which seems to be slowing the flowering i dont really mind but i feel like its a problem cuz now im not sure when to take them out of flowering this coming sun will be week 8 and one of them is coming out for sure she is so sexy and theres another one thats ready to come out but 3 of them have new growth on top and seem to be slowing in flowering the leaves are big weird and oily help please

[hoho123]

after researching for a long time the only thing i can come up with is too much N this doesnt really seem like a logical explanation and its also cant be that they didnt get enough light maybe if they got too much but thats not the case so still kinda stuck ill appreciate help

[bluntwiz]

Hey by what you are saying, seems like those plants reverted back to veg... new growth and deformed leaves etc are a sign... just surprised that it happened so quickly! if i were you i would leave them on the flowering schedule since you are already so late in flowering... might affect your end result but... you live and you learn!!!

good luck

edit: sorry i misread (kinda stoned), thought you said you left the lights on for 2 days!! which would explain this.. however having them off should do this.. thats weird, sorry cant help on this one!

[hoho123]

ok so i just decided what it was the lights were off and im stupid so i didnt reset the time f!@kin up there life so yea any ways i drop the lights to only 10 hours and toped the new growth takeing out 2 soon like soon and might keep the others there for a day i have some new pics that ive been holding off sorry im a bastard not that i didnt wanna post them but i didnt wanna post them (usually high) http://i35.tinypic.com/2h73zg5.jpg

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