Buying Recomendations - Considering SSV, Volcano, HerbalAire, Extreme...

[carousin]

Been smoking several years, plan on smoking several more. This would be my first vape purchase and as much research and looking as I've been doing, I still have plenty of questions on what would really be the best for me, since I have little vape experience. Here's the breakdown.

Price: $600 comfortable max, but a few hundred less would obviously be nice.

Use: Most nights my fiancee and I smoke a snapper bowl each with dinner and/or before bed. Most of the time would be used for the two of us, but we do have a few friends that come over for a smoke and some Weeds on Showtime or Rockband, so something easily shared with 4-6 people when needed would be nice.

Design: Definitely something well made, I am willing to pay a reasonable premium for solid construction and well thought out design, over a garage made heat gun rig. Ease of use would be a big selling point, I don't want something that I need to prop up one side with a book because it's not level on it's own, put at one temp for two minutes, then switch to another, connect part x to tube y, secure connector clamp z, insert cartridge a and cartridge cover b, pre-warm contents for 3 minutes then set at inhaling temp, connect mouthpiece, you get the picture. Also conspicuous would be nice as we have plenty of friends and family who don't smoke and we don't like to advertise the fact, but if it's not a big hassle I can easily bring it out when I want to use it and throw it in my office closet when I'm done, as I do with my current bong.

Bag vs. Whip: I've never used a whip, I've used a Volcano once and a Vapir One once, and had a great high and no problems with either, but one or two uses isn't enough for me to go out and buy it. I like the bag for passing around and sharing. The ability to fill up a bag, drive to a movie with some friends, inhale the contents in the parking lot, and enjoy a stoned movie is appealing, but not really a selling point. It sounds like many users enjoy whip hits more, and it sounds like they're usually quieter, no noisy fans and crinkling bags. Quite would be nice since we're usually enjoying a hit with a good tv show or movie, however I own my house and with a bag system could reasonably keep the unit in my office, fill it up, and take the bag with me to enjoy in the living room. As I said we usually do one or two snaps, not bowl after bowl after bowl. One concern for the whips is my living room is somewhat roomy, the coffee table is two feet away from one couch, but about 4 feet away from my armchair and 5 feet from our second couch. Electricity outlets are easily accessible, but how easy is it passing a whip unit from one couch arm to another instead of having a nice flat stationary surface for it?


So far I'm thinking the Volcano might make the most sense for me, but I'm definitely impressed with the SSV if someone can address the whip issues above... Also something that has both a bag and whip option might be appealing, such as HerbalAire, Extreme, or Vapormatic, but I don't want to compromise and end up with something that does 2nd rate direct inhalation and 2nd rate bag use, when I should have gone with something that does only one, but does it superbly.

I'm sure that's more than most people will bother to read, so thanks to those that do. Thoughts and recommendations are greatly appreciated.

:baggy: -carousin

[vapefiend]

All things considered-versatility, ease of use, and stealth-the Extreme would be the best choice for your particular setup IMO. Doesn't hit like the SSV in whip mode (lower vapor to air ratio), but better than the herbalAire. It's by far the best for leaving out all the time as an aromatherapy diffuser. I've used all the vapes you mention except the Vapormatic, and I'd avoid that one for the sorry 90 day warranty if nothing else.

[carousin]

How does the bag method on the Extreme compare to the volcano, for ease of use, quality of design, etc.?

[ch1ll1ng]

I received my SSV on Thursday. I'm extremely pleased with it. You get huge vapor hits and it heats up fast. I've never used a bag system but the whip may be a problem with your current set up, although the SSV never gets that hot and is easy to move around if need be. The SSV is well designed and made, and it looks good too (I have black on black).

You can tell there was a lot of thought put into this thing, 7th Floor LLC (who makes the SSV) obviously have experience with many different vapes cause they took the best features they found and put them into one. The downward angled glass cover works great to avoid spilling anything. The air is very clean as it only touches the heating element and glass unlike the Vol where air passes through much tubing and electronics. I found a pic of an opened Vol and it was terribly filthy. You'll never have to worry about that with a SSV.

I have the ground glass cover and whip and while some people avoid them I honestly couldn't be happier. The ground glass makes it so I can use the aroma top while vaping and hooks up really really easily. Using the aroma top almost eliminates any odors, but there aren't really any to begin with anyways. It's soooo easy to setup, I plug it in, turn it on, load up the whip and thats it, it's ready to use.

I highly recommend the SSV. For the price it'll beat the Vol any day. I got mine for a killer deal, free shipping, free hemp storage bag and 10% off. There is a coupon you can find if you search google or the other forums. With all the money your willing to spend you could easily get an ice chamber or maybe some custom blown glass parts with it. Sh!t for the price your willing to pay you could get 2 SSVs.

[ch1ll1ng]

I've never used a bag system but the whip may be a problem with your current set up, although the SSV never gets that hot and is easy to move around if need be.

I take part of that back. It does get a bit warm (not overtly), but I think if you placed it in the most central point of your furniture situation and on your coffee table you should be ok. The whip all together attached is about 3 and a half feet long. I'm sure you could go longer if you needed to.

[vapefiend]

I highly recommend the SSV. For the price it'll beat the Vol any day. Well, I'm not a Volcano fan, although I don't dispute the quality of it. In my experience (I own a herbalAire) you can get a reliable, effective bag vape that gives you direct draw as well, for a lot less money. But I don't really agree with your comparison of the SSV to the 'cano. I have the SSV and love it, but if you're interested in a bag vape the SSV is apples and oranges. And if you're just comparing on price, a $120 VaporCannon will beat the SSV any day. I think the SSV is the best analog whip vape on the market, but it won't be the best choice for everyone. As for the SSV shell getting warm, I don't find that to be the case at all. At least not warm to the point where handling it is an issue. It's a 4mm thick aluminum housing.

[BuddhaBOI]

Just to preface this, I vape 2-3 times a day and I own 11 different vape models, including the Volcano Digit/Classic, Extreme, and herbalAire.

Based on what you describe, I'd say the Volcano Classic is the way to go. As far as bag/balloon vaporizers go it is the undisputed king. The extreme and herbalaire both generate perfectly good vapor, but they are not as easy to use. The bags they operate with don't have stoppers so you waste a lot of vapor because you have to cover the holes with your thumb and you inevitably lose some vapor whenever you hand it off.

The extreme and herbalaire both have slower pumps than the Volcano too, so they aren't optimal for larger (3+) groups. I'd say go with a Volcano Classic and a Easy Valve if you want the most user friendly and efficient vaping. Here's a review of the herbalaire (http://vapenow.com/index.php/HerbalAire+Review-ezp-18/chapter-100/)and one of the volcano classic (http://vapenow.com/index.php/Volcano+Classic+Review-ezp-10/chapter-100/).

As far as whip vaporizers go, the Silver Surfer is fine, but whips aren't as easy to use as balloons in my experience.

Good luck shopping and enjoy your vapor!

[vapefiend]

The bags they operate with don't have stoppers so you waste a lot of vapor because you have to cover the holes with your thumb and you inevitably lose some vapor whenever you hand it off.I've been using the herbalAire for a couple of years and I'll have to strongly disagree with your 'wasting a lot of vapor' statement. Sure it's nice to have a valve, but covering the stem with a finger (yes, any finger will do) is not a big deal. And once you've taken a hit and equalized the pressure in the bag, vapor loss is minor even if you don't cover the stem. Without a difference in air pressure, the vapor pretty much sits in the bag. The Extreme would be the same. It's a minor drawback and quite possibly a price difference of $240-300 would be more important to some.

[Potcake]

I also own a herbalAire and I find that the loss of vapor issue without the valve isn't much of an issue as long as you're quick with a finger to cover it. It was a cheeper buy then then the Volcano and has done the trick. I also got a free vaporgeenie to give to my boyfriend for Christmas, he loves the thing.

The only drawbacks I have found for the HerbalAire are the slower pump and durability of the bag. We compensate for the pump by using two bags. We fill one bag, then as you're hitting it fill the other, as long as someone experienced can watch it you should be fine. The bags we had started to tear a little and loose the vapor so then we resorted to the direct pulling option and found it to be quite pleasant. I have heard of people adapting the Volcano bag to the HerbalAire mouthpiece but I'm wondering if I can just find something better to use that wont break down with a little bit of rougher use, it's not like they're overly expensive to replace.

We like the direct pull option because we hook up a spare pump hose to the mouthpiece and pull on it like it's a small hooka, pass it around, get's everyone fucked up.

[trancefusion5]

I have the herbalaire and i swear by it!! I hear what the guy above me is saying about the slow pump but you can do what i did and go to any fish store and get a better aquarium pump. The only down side i have with it is having to use the two plugs when you use the bag (1 for pump, 1 for vape) but thats the only down side ive ever had and its not a big deal for me its just diffrent from what i thought it would be. I also have the vapir one and i would have never bought it if i knew what i know now. It LEAKS like CRAZY! I have tape all over mine and it still leaks.

If i had the money id get a volcano but i dont so i went for what i think is the next best thing for me which is the herbalaire. However, i have been hearing about alot of vapes on some of these threads that people love and ive never even heard of. I guess after i got the herbalaire i just never worried about other vapes. But i can tell you i have had herbalaire for over a year and no problem and it seems to be built very solid.
Enjoy!

[MaryJaneMonkey]

150 for an unbreakable, easy to use, no extra gizmos and dials and gatdgets very efficient vape with awesome customer service peeps=purple-days.com
4w power consumption, leave it plugged in and ready 24/7 :)

[ranjas75]

I have a bag vaporizer (can't recall the name, however, it has not yet been mentioned in this forum) and am hoping someone can tell me what I'm doing wrong.. All of you talk about how great the high is but tbh I get a better high just hitting a pipe then using my vaporizer. It may very well just be a cheapy machine.. I wouldn't know the diff. It has a digital scale, fills the bag in under a minute, but no matter how much I hit off the bags I can still never get as high.. Maybe I'm cooking it to low? or to high? I can barely see anything in the bag (very transparent)...

[vapefiend]

I have a bag vaporizer (can't recall the name, however, it has not yet been mentioned in this forum) and am hoping someone can tell me what I'm doing wrong.. All of you talk about how great the high is but tbh I get a better high just hitting a pipe then using my vaporizer. It may very well just be a cheapy machine.. I wouldn't know the diff. It has a digital scale, fills the bag in under a minute, but no matter how much I hit off the bags I can still never get as high.. Maybe I'm cooking it to low? or to high? I can barely see anything in the bag (very transparent)...
Vapir One maybe? Your "better high" is due to the toxins you get with smoke. If you love the couchlock aspect then smoke is for you I guess. Smoke toxins are mostly sleep inducing, except toluene, which gives you the effect of sniffing paint thinner.

"I can barely see anything in the bag". Well vapor is less visible than smoke. Raise your temp and see if it improves. A higher vaping temp will give you a high that's closer to smoke anyway.

[the image reaper]

'Herbal Aire', without a doubt :thumbsup:

[texas grass]

ive never used a bag, but dont like the idea of this huge plastic bag floating around that can pop/tear. just seems too aquard to me

i have a vapor brothers whip style and its very nice. id either recomend this or the ssv which a buddy has and likes alot.

[mauiwow]

got to agree with THE IMAGE REAPER. go with the herbalaire u woun't regret it:smokin::stoned:

[vapefiend]

We'll probably never know what carousin bought, but since he hasn't posted in 6 months, it looks like his requirements are no longer an issue. ;)

[Hennessy1414]

150 for an unbreakable, easy to use, no extra gizmos and dials and gatdgets very efficient vape with awesome customer service peeps=purple-days.com
8w power consumption, leave it plugged in and ready 24/7 :)

:D

actually its 8W's to be correct but you hit the nail on the head with that one. PD all the way


but to the OP, I'm pretty sure as of now you should get the Extreme vaporizer. it works VERY well (I own one) and is very cost effective. You get a whole bundle of goodies to work with (epically customer service #1) making the E pretty much fit your needs.

ok get the cano if you will....in the end you will just have less bud $ to spend :pimp:

[VapedG13]

I suggest the volcano classic...no need for the extra $$ for the digital....I snagged mine off ebay for $375 used 5 years ago and it still works after being left on 12-15 hours a day

For groups of 3-4 people its great...I cut my bags to a length of 3 ft. everyone gets 2-3 good hits off 1 bag.... I fill it 3-4 times a session


The extreme vape had the heat sensor move or adjusted....the original models gave you the temp at the heating element not at the weed 6 inches away ....result....people had to set the vape temp at 430-440*F at 360-375*F it wouldnt vape.

The new models have had the sensor adjusted

[Hennessy1414]

^^

????? :wtf:

ok and your point is...?

all you have to do is play around with it and find what you like...not what it says THC boils at online....granted it can help. its just that the E cant be EXACTLY on target. i have a 2G model, and I get good even vapors at 205C (max temp is 250C)

max temp on 3G units are 260C.

shit hits hard man...I say...FUCK THE VOLCANO! :D

[VapedG13]

^^

????? :wtf:

ok and your point is...?

all you have to do is play around with it and find what you like...not what it says THC boils at online....granted it can help. its just that the E cant be EXACTLY on target. i have a 2G model, and I get good even vapors at 205C (max temp is 250C)

max temp on 3G units are 260C.

shit hits hard man...I say...FUCK THE VOLCANO! :D

My point is that any newbie who is unfimiliar with the unit or vaping in general who reads about vaping is told that 365-375*F is perfect temperature for vaping.....

then gets ahold of the extreme and thinks that this vaporizer is shitty because it wont vape on the right temp......

normally 440*F is combustion (smoke) not vapor.....Alot of people complained thats why the extreme was redone by the manufacturer

the entire point of the vaporizer is to avoid combustion...knowing what the temperature at the weed is helps.

[vapefiend]

Mr. Arizer definitely set the clock back as far as educating people on vaping temps. First he sold the first version with no explanation about the display number being heater temp instead of bowl temp, then he increased the confusion by moving the sensor closer to the bowl, not one, but two times. So even though the operational temp never changed, you had to figure out which version you had. Many people are still screwed up on their understanding of true vaping temps.

That said, I'd still recommend the Extreme or herbalAire over the Volcano-less money and you get direct draw plus it's cheaper to make multiple bags. The 'cano probably has an edge in reliability over the Extreme anyway, and you can't beat the resale value. I just can't see spending that much for bag use only. I'm too much of a fan of direct draw. Hitting bags is too boring for me.

[FourTwenty4Life]

:spamsign:

WTF...MORE SPAM!! The fact of the matter is generally you get what you pay for. Volcano is better than any other vaporizer in my opinion. However this is also the opinion of over 60,000 other people (units sold via S&B interview). There is a reason that people don't always suggest it...quite simply the price is too high for some people. Also Storz & Bickel has rules as to how low of a price their new units go for, therefore shops profit more off the cheaper units/vaporizers. YES the Volcano is expensive unless you get it used which is fine cause they're built like tanks. If money is the issue and you're hesitant, just think of how much bud you will conserve, how much more you will get out of your bud, and obviously health reasons . If you want to spend less then go for it but then don't post on here when you have tons of issues. Notice how you don't see any Volcano negative threads? I repeat, you get what you pay for. When other vaporizer companies start running extensive tests, R&D, and published studies then MAYBE I'd consider them.I'm not bashing other vapes but the way I see it, if you use a lot of bud, the Volcano is king and why not go for the best? I've seen first hand... a box whip vape break with regular use when the glass covering the heating element broke off, now unusable. I've also seen a guy who had their Volcano knocked off a 3ft table 3 times in an hour (dog running around) and it worked fine. I can go on and on. There is no other vape with the reputation, performance , sales, scientific proof, and durability than the Volcano ...PERIOD.:hippy::beatdeadhorse::clap::vap_rasta: :vap_smiley: :vap_smiley:

[vapefiend]

There is a reason that people don't always suggest it...quite simply the price is too high for some people.Here are two more reasons-1)It costs considerably more than you need to pay. 2)It only fills bags. Funny how Volcano fans never mention this rather big drawback vs. the competition. Personally, after sucking bags for a while, I long for some vapor rich hits, and no matter how much you load in the 'cano herb chamber, direct draw always has the potential for a higher vapor/air ratio. You can't get around the physics.


Storz & Bickel has rules as to how low of a price their new units go for, therefore shops profit more off the cheaper units/vaporizers.Sorry, but you have no way of knowing the profit margins of all the vapes on the market. And as for S&B's rules on a low price, I specifically asked them about a dealer (and warranty status)last year who was selling about $140 below their $539 price. Their answer was that they would absolutely honor the warranty. Also, Volcano Vaporizer Direct has been selling them considerably below the standard price for 5 years now, via the 'special offer' link on his site.


If money is the issue and you're hesitant, just think of how much bud you will conserveYou'll conserve vs. smoking, but vs. other vaporizers the Volcano's nothing special in the efficiency dept.


and obviously health reasons This is an argument for vapes in general. There are no exclusive health benefits to the Volcano.


If you want to spend less then go for it but then don't post on here when you have tons of issues. I spent much less on the herbalAire, and after nearly three years, I have had no issues.


Notice how you don't see any Volcano negative threads?People don't make a habit of starting a thread just to say the 'cano is overpriced, but I've seen that opinion in many posts.


you get what you pay forThat's often true, but with high end products what you get for the extra money isn't always 'value'. If you want a reliable and cost efficient car, you'll always be better off with a Honda or Toyota vs. a high priced but not so reliable or cheap to operate Mercedes or Jaguar. Does a Rolex keep time better than a Timex?


the way I see it, if you use a lot of bud, the Volcano is king and why not go for the best? If you use a lot, why not go for a vape that's more efficient than the 'cano? The herbalAire is one, as far as direct competition in the bag dept. I won't compare direct draw vapes in efficiency (apples and oranges) but there is one for certain that's much more efficient. The Volcano does not 'rule' in the efficiency dept.


I've seen first hand...I've seen first hand-a Volcano just quit working. So what? Any vape can break. The Volcano is very reliable, but so are some other good brand names. Your implication that anything but the 'cano will crap out is, IMO, just that-crap.

The only reason I can think of as to why so many Volcano owners have to make these 'justification posts', is to defend the price they paid. The vape market is far different than it was 5 or 10 years ago. A lot of good models are available now. It's not just the 'cano, Vapor Brothers, and some crappy conduction units anymore. The competition is much stiffer now, while all S & B has done is come out with the Digit to jump on the digital bandwagon-$130 more and a year less on the warranty.

The Volcano is an excellent vaporizer, but I've seen quite a few owners get tired of the boring bag, and either sell it and buy a direct draw unit, or simply buy an additional vape to get the vapor rich hits that no bag can provide. I've also seen that the more a person investigates the vaporizer market, the less likely they are to buy a Volcano.

[FourTwenty4Life]

Here are two more reasons-1)It costs considerably more than you need to pay. 2)It only fills bags. Funny how Volcano fans never mention this rather big drawback vs. the competition. Personally, after sucking bags for a while, I long for some vapor rich hits, and no matter how much you load in the 'cano herb chamber, direct draw always has the potential for a higher vapor/air ratio. You can't get around the physics.

Sorry, but you have no way of knowing the profit margins of all the vapes on the market. And as for S&B's rules on a low price, I specifically asked them about a dealer (and warranty status)last year who was selling about $140 below their $539 price. Their answer was that they would absolutely honor the warranty. Also, Volcano Vaporizer Direct has been selling them considerably below the standard price for 5 years now, via the 'special offer' link on his site.

You'll conserve vs. smoking, but vs. other vaporizers the Volcano's nothing special in the efficiency dept.

This is an argument for vapes in general. There are no exclusive health benefits to the Volcano.

I spent much less on the herbalAire, and after nearly three years, I have had no issues.

People don't make a habit of starting a thread just to say the 'cano is overpriced, but I've seen that opinion in many posts.

That's often true, but with high end products what you get for the extra money isn't always 'value'. If you want a reliable and cost efficient car, you'll always be better off with a Honda or Toyota vs. a high priced but not so reliable or cheap to operate Mercedes or Jaguar. Does a Rolex keep time better than a Timex?

If you use a lot, why not go for a vape that's more efficient than the 'cano? The herbalAire is one, as far as direct competition in the bag dept. I won't compare direct draw vapes in efficiency (apples and oranges) but there is one for certain that's much more efficient. The Volcano does not 'rule' in the efficiency dept.

I've seen first hand-a Volcano just quit working. So what? Any vape can break. The Volcano is very reliable, but so are some other good brand names. Your implication that anything but the 'cano will crap out is, IMO, just that-crap.

The only reason I can think of as to why so many Volcano owners have to make these 'justification posts', is to defend the price they paid. The vape market is far different than it was 5 or 10 years ago. A lot of good models are available now. It's not just the 'cano, Vapor Brothers, and some crappy conduction units anymore. The competition is much stiffer now, while all S & B has done is come out with the Digit to jump on the digital bandwagon-$130 more and a year less on the warranty.

The Volcano is an excellent vaporizer, but I've seen quite a few owners get tired of the boring bag, and either sell it and buy a direct draw unit, or simply buy an additional vape to get the vapor rich hits that no bag can provide. I've also seen that the more a person investigates the vaporizer market, the less likely they are to buy a Volcano.

1. It costs more because they have done the most work and research to ensure you're getting the most vapor in the safest manner.

2. No shit it only fills bags. Who wants to sit there and hold some tube while their bud touches some heating element, the residual effects of which have never been tested. Funny how you failed to even once mention anything about how extensively the Volcano has been tested and published and proven whereas your cheaper vaporizers have not so when you say that THIS product or THAT product is better cause it's cheaper...PROVE IT!! Storz & Bickel have.
CCRMG (http://www.ccrmg.org/journal/03sum/vaporize.html)
MAPS/CaNORML vaporizer and waterpipe studies (http://www.maps.org/mmj/vaporizer.html)
http://www.cannabis-studyhouse.com/21_medical_practice/06_vaparizing_cannabis/abstracts_medical_studies.pdf
Plus studies that S&B independently did in their own R&D. Contact them for information.
Plus I rather walk around the house with my bag while I'm doing stuff rather than be forced to sit there with some tube.

3. I don't know what Volcano you ever vaped from because I get EXTREMELY "vapor rich hits" at the correct temperatures. Temperature settings, quality of bud, how fine its grinded...all things that will affect how much vapor you get in the bag. I can make a 10ft bag if I wanted to. Yeah you have other vapes that have the combo of bag/draw but then we go back to WHERE ARE THE TESTS to prove that nothing else in the manufacturing of that product has any harmful effect on the user. Are you with me so far? Good.:rastasmoke:

4. You're right I don't know all the profit margins on vapes but common sense tells me that people generally like spending less therefore well duhh cheaper vapes will sell more.

5. I NEVER said that S&B wouldn't honor a warranty...????????? Sure other places might offer the Volcano at lower prices but they're most likely doing it against S&B's wishes which isn't good business but yeah no shit they'll honor the warranty.

6. I NEVER said the Volcano's conservation capabilities were superior to any other vape in the "efficiency dept"????

7. There is an "exclusive health benefit"...IT'S BEEN PROVEN.

8. Rolex and Timex comparison...wtf?? Sorry but watches dont go into your bloodstream and effect your body & mind. We are talking about vaporizers.

9. The Volcano isn't overpriced if you buy a used one genius.

10. I NEVER implied that anything but the Volcano would "crap out". My thing is if you are going to stricly vaporize and ONLY vaporize and want the BEST, get a Volcano, even if it's used. If you just want a vaporizer to have a vaporizer, sure get some cheap one, opinions are like a$$holes, everyones got one.

11. You say the competition is stiffer but it's not. The sales speak for themselves. How many other vaporizers have sold over 60,000 to date?? Please tell me.

12. There is a reason that the only upgrade they've had is the Volcano Digit....the Volcano Classic is so damn good that they didn't need to do too much more. Yeah 1 year less on warranty but that's because it's new, obviously is a new design and hasn't been out as long as the Classic so they don't know the lifespan yet but Classics are reliable tanks so I'm sure Digits are just the same. Plus S&B have said in interviews that the next step is something smaller, perhaps more portable. Remember the saying.. IF IT ISN'T BROKEN, DON'T FIX IT.:thumbsup:

13. Once again, I get EXTREMELY "vapor rich hits" from my Volcano. I've owned quite a few box/direct draw and my experience is they are NOT AS GOOD when compared to the quality of my Volcano vapor. That's just me. I'm not saying this as fact or holy scripture man.

14. I think the more a person investigates the vapor market, the more likely they will see how nothing truly stands up to the Volcano yet. Tell you what, once I see a study comparing the vapor densities and complete contents of their draw/bag then I might believe you when you tell me that draw gets more vapor/thc.

To finish, I'll just reiterate and copy/paste lines from my last post that vapefiend failed to mention or put in his post...."However this is also the opinion of over 60,000 other people (units sold via S&B interview).........
When other vaporizer companies start running extensive tests, R&D, and published studies then MAYBE I'd consider them........I'm not bashing other vapes.....There is no other vape with the reputation, performance , sales, scientific proof, and durability than the Volcano ...PERIOD"

In conclusion, I suggest everyone do your own research and get the vaporizer that is RIGHT FOR YOU! For example, as much as I rave about the Volcano, I'm looking into possibly getting a portable vape so I have something for on the road and when I go out. Therefore I will most likely entrust my money to some company that makes a portable vape even though it hasn't been through the same process that the Volcano has. Thus, I'm not excluding other vaporizers from peoples choices. It's just that my opinion and research leads me to the end conclusion that so far, the only proof out there is that the Volcano produces the best, safest vape with a reliable, strong unit. To each their own. I need to vape now....some Northern Lights at 369 farenheit sounds delicious. :hippy:

[FourTwenty4Life]

Damn, didn't get the link in time for edit...

Here is the link to an interview with a person from Storz & Bickel 2 years ago. The interview is based around when the Volcano Digit came out.
http://media.libsyn.com/media/dopecast/Dopecast86.mp3

:hippy:

[FourTwenty4Life]

For the record, I don't work for S&B. I just think they have the best possible way to consume daily marijuana.:hippy:

[VapedG13]

The extreme is still new and has gone through updates since it came on the market(faulty heat sensor placement)... its still untested as far as durability.

I bought my first volcano from ebay used for $350... I have used it daily (left on 12-15 hrs a day) for over 5 years and it still works great.

After you have owned and used the extreme for 5 years and its still working great come talk to me:D

Hopefully that company/manufacturer will still be around in 5 years... I know storz-bickel will be:thumbsup:

[FourTwenty4Life]

The extreme is still new and has gone through updates since it came on the market(faulty heat sensor placement)... its still untested as far as durability.

I bought my first volcano from ebay used for $350... I have used it daily (left on 12-15 hrs a day) for over 5 years and it still works great.

After you have owned and used the extreme for 5 years and its still working great come talk to me:D

Hopefully that company/manufacturer will still be around in 5 years... I know storz-bickel will be:thumbsup:

Exactly. I don't plan on ever selling my cano. Time and time again I see people mention other vapes and I'm like, what's that, I never heard of that then I look it up and it usually doesn't impress me. However even years before I vaped, I knew what a Volcano was. You have any portable vapes G13? That, if anything, would be the only addition to my mj accessories I would ever need to buy. :hippy:

Was it you that suggested lower temps on the cano ? I've since taken the advice and my new favorite are 365, 370 is my sweet spot where I might, depending on quality, keep vaping till the end, 374, finish anything else at 385. :hippy:

[VapedG13]

I have the super vapezilla and a inverter in my car :thumbsup: Yep I'm the one telling people to lower the temp for smoother vapes

I recently emailed the people at Storz-Bickel, the company that makes the Volcano. The focus of my communication was to find out their response to the charge that an aluminum heating element verses a ceramic element is dangerous. They wrote:



We understand your concerns regarding possible health risks. However, you do not have to worry:

The heating block of our Volcano reaches a maximum temperature of 250°C which canâ??t cause emissions.

There might only be problems if the aluminium is cutted, melted or welded and the fumes or dusts produced during these industrial processes are inhaled.

This has nothing to do with the normal use of the Volcano. Any risks might only occur if the aluminium alloy would be heated up to much higher temperatures, so that the alloy changes to a liquid or even gaseous physical state.

"Inhalation: Aluminium and aluminium alloys are not generally regarded as industrial toxins. In normal (industrial) use, few health hazards occur. Cutting, melting, or welding may produce dusts or fumes containing the component elements and their oxides. Breathing these dust or fumes may present potentially significant health hazards." In order to avoid any possible risks we have put a lot of care into the choice of the special aluminium alloy we use for our Volcanoâ??s.

The high-quality alloy (ALMgSi1,0) contains no problematic metals such as copper and lead.

With kind regards

i.A. Nicole Richter

Storz & Bickel GmbH & Co.KG
Rote StraÃ?e 1
D - 78532 Tuttlingen

[FourTwenty4Life]

I have the super vapezilla and a inverter in my car :thumbsup:

I recently emailed the people at Storz-Bickel, the company that makes the Volcano. The focus of my communication was to find out their response to the charge that an aluminum heating element verses a ceramic element is dangerous. They wrote:

Where is vapefiend? :D:thumbsup::hippy:

How do I get more green bars like you G13? My black is from some long ago infraction when I posted a link to a salvia store..oops lol learned my lesson. Any way I can go GREEN? :hippy:

[VapedG13]

Where is vapefiend? :D:thumbsup::hippy:

How do I get more green bars like you G13? My black is from some long ago infraction when I posted a link to a salvia store..oops lol learned my lesson. Any way I can go GREEN? :hippy:

Write to the mod.... they disabled your ability to receive reputations

[Hennessy1414]

Where is vapefiend? :D:thumbsup::hippy:

I hate how you fanboy the cano'. bottom line is I can pick up 2-3 vapes and a sac of nug for the price of a cano...that right there tells me wassup

[FourTwenty4Life]

I hate how you fanboy the cano'. bottom line is I can pick up 2-3 vapes and a sac of nug for the price of a cano...that right there tells me wassup

I've seen used Volcanos as low as $250 on ebay.:hippy:

[Hennessy1414]

who cares I want to be interacting with my vapor experience a little bit! I want to be able to control the hit ya know...makes it more enjoyable. SSV, VHW, PD, E, DBV all work on trying to get a hit....you are the deciding factor on how much cloud you get...not some bag/fan combo...even tho that is fun..thats why theres more reason for the E. better than your 'cano i can tell you this much


oh yea check this if you want cano hate :hippy:

Fuck Combustion - Vaporizer Forum / Get it all out - Bash the Volcano thread (http://fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?id=536)

[FourTwenty4Life]

who cares I want to be interacting with my vapor experience a little bit! I want to be able to control the hit ya know...makes it more enjoyable. SSV, VHW, PD, E, DBV all work on trying to get a hit....you are the deciding factor on how much cloud you get...not some bag/fan combo...even tho that is fun..thats why theres more reason for the E. better than your 'cano i can tell you this much


oh yea check this if you want cano hate :hippy:

Fuck Combustion - Vaporizer Forum / Get it all out - Bash the Volcano thread (http://fuckcombustion.com/viewtopic.php?id=536)

That's your opinion. I think you're wrong. I interact plenty with my vaporizer and can decide exactly "how much cloud" I want so I don't know what you're talking about. How many more times are we going to post links to that site??? Enough is enough. No one cares what a bunch of people think. You can clearly read bias in almost everything on there. Go with your gut instinct, get what you want, what you can afford, etc..don't listen to these people, don't listen to me, just get a vape that fits you. We can argue this for the next 10 years and you're still not going to convince me of your opinion just like I won't convince you of mine so let's all just grow up and STFU. :thumbsup::hippy:

[lwien123]

That's your opinion. I think you're wrong. I interact plenty with my vaporizer and can decide exactly "how much cloud" I want so I don't know what you're talking about. How many more times are we going to post links to that site??? Enough is enough. No one cares what a bunch of people think. You can clearly read bias in almost everything on there. Go with your gut instinct, get what you want, what you can afford, etc..don't listen to these people, don't listen to me, just get a vape that fits you. We can argue this for the next 10 years and you're still not going to convince me of your opinion just like I won't convince you of mine so let's all just grow up and STFU. :thumbsup::hippy:

You know what's interesting about this discussion?

In various threads here, FourTwenty, there seems to be conflict with you and other posters, and yet, when you and I got into it over your over-zealous love for the 'Cano, you gave me negative rep with an explanation of "you like to argue"?

Here's the deal. It's not ME that likes to argue, but it is you that invites all this conflict with your fanboy approach to your vape. When you do that, people, including myself, will challenge you, and when they do, you go on this tirade of telling people to "STFU" or "grow-up" or whatever else you can do to make it personal, and then you have the gaul to give me negative rep with an explanation of "you like to argue"?

I've told you before, and I'll say it again. You CAN give people advice about what vape to get WITHOUT telling people that YOUR vape is the best vape out there.

However, you DID get it right when you said, "We can argue this for the next 10 years and you're still not going to convince me of your opinion just like I won't convince you of mine ", but you can go a long way to eliminate these kinds of conflicts by not inviting them in the first place, which you have done repeatedly. Anytime you get on a soapbox and SCREAM that the 'Cano is the BEST, because of R&D, scientific reports, high unit sales figures, etc etc etc blah, blah, blah, then you have to expect some people to throw tomatoes, but when they do, to then turn around and give them bad rep claiming that it is THEM that likes to argue is................hell, I don't even know what the word is to describe that.

PS

To the OP and everyone else reading this thread, I apologize for this sidetrack, but after getting negative rep from this guy, I just had to say something and being that there is no PM here on this site, this was the only venue that I had. OK...back to your regular scheduled programming..........

[FourTwenty4Life]

More proof that I've always held my ground in where I stand but still never said cano was the 1 and only....


Quick argument against Extreme vape...who wants to wait 20 min for their vape to warm up like the manufacturer suggest on the wikipedia looking How To page...?? My cano takes about 4 minutes...20min or 4..hmmm you decide . I still haven't seen ANY proof that whip is better or higher vape ratio but please share otherwise
LOL you really don't know what you're talking about. They funded the study ....NO SHIT, guess what, it's not free to get stuff like that properly tested so your argument doesn't "hold water" with me. I don't care what BS you say just to argue with me. You're obviously dislexic because I never said cano is the best...that's opinion BUT the FACTS are in the SALES, REPUTATION, and most importantly RELIABILITY.

No one is going to "fall" for any rhetoric except yours. I have already stated but will repeat that I encourage all vape buyers to do their own research and establish their own opinion . You just don't like that I defend my personal choice which is the cano. I don't think everyone should have a Volcano. It's not for everyone . Honestly though buddy, I can make the same kind of argument you're making about ANY vape out there. The facts speak for themself. Let me try to be clear........ If you want portable, multi function, cheaper vape ,GO FOR IT. However if you want a reliable , trusted name, always happy customer with little /no negative feedback, #1 sales, and can afford a little extra for safest proven materials and years R&D , I SUGGEST the Volcano .Some care about those facts, others care less. I'm sure other vapes are safe but none have stood the test of time yet like cano...but maybe time will change that. I'm looking forward to getting a portable vape so should we argue about that now?:thumbsup::hippy::wtf:





I think you misunderstood what I meant and clearly didn't read my last response .....

You didn't respond to half of what I stated either.
1st...I said its BEST in sales, rep and reliability , shall i repeat?????? And LIKE I'VE SAID BE4, Obviously other vapes for diff reasons which is why I've suggested SS and II in other posts hence you are WRONG thus shouldn't be debating me...??


2- The study was funded to get real results so that they knew exactly what there product was doing... You are basically saying they either lied or paid someone off or did SOMETHING shady to alter results? You do realise that the Volcano is a vaporizer geared to healthier lifestyle right? So they're going to fake results for brag rights? That's ridiculous. They had a good product but not the expertise or equipment to property test thus pay. Simple as that. If it was that easy, other vape companies would do it..:thumbsup:

To your pinch in the cano chamber statements ...Vapor/Air means jack shit when vaping just a pinch, im still getting the same THC as that same amt of bud in purple days.NEXT...

Finally, you have how many post so how much advice have you given?? I repeat yet again that the cano isn't for everyone and I respect others opinions and vaporizer /smoke methods. I don't "steer buyers" anywhere because this is a forum, not a vaporizer sales and review site.

I have always suggested getting what's right for you. I just happen to remind people of cano benefits obviously cause I have one and have the experience from other vapes to compare...i happen to like cano best, just opinion... that seems to irritate you and/or you misunderstand me. I apologize and will try to lay off cano talk....Guess I shouldn't of started the thread titled "High on vapor? Post Here" to bring ALL vapers TOGETHER in PEACE...............

Later... :hippy:



I don't ask or desire anyone on this forum to view me as either a guru or a condescending asshole. My goal is to have good, helpful info here, not internet myths or opinions stated as facts. I don't care who provides the info. I have the knowledge that I have from doing research. Sometimes that comes from other posters. If it disagrees with what I believe to be true, I try to investigate further. If I find I'm wrong I'll admit it. If someone disagrees with what I say, I'll be glad to discuss the issue. That's assuming we can agree on the issue. That's been a problem here before, and I'm not going to repeat it.

I'm not trying to win a popularity contest and I'm not here to stroke my ego. If I come off as condescending or pissed off or whatever negative expresion comes to mind, you can bet someone has come off as presenting some opinion as fact or that there opinion means more than other peoples. If you disagree with the facts of my post, or want clarification, fine, just ask.

If you'd like a little more well rounded picture of me, maybe you should read a post or two outside the vape section. So far you've just judged me based on the posts that interest you personally. Do I show the harder side of my personality here in the vape section sometimes. You bet. And when I do it's not arbitrary. Opinions are like assholes and we all got 'em. :hippy:

[squeeg420]

I'd say go with a Volcano Classic and a Easy Valve if you want the most user friendly and efficient vaping.

NO, please no... This is my opinion, of course, but the EZ valve is not so "EZ." I have yet to meet someone with an EZ valve that doesn't ever try to change the balloons cause they ran out of valve/bag combos. This involves rigging, and takes a special technique. I have a digit, but I won't knock the classic, as its warranty is better and it heats up just a bit faster. I have a solid valve, and the learning curve is not too bad. I buy Reynold's Large or Turkey Size oven bags instead of the volcano brand (quieter, almost no crinkling). I can only imagine how much money I've saved with the solid valve. FYI, my entire cleaning process (dis-assembly, alcohol soak, dishwasher) takes only an hour or 2 and the valve and chamber both look and smell like new. I debated it a lot before my purchase and decided to go the economical route. I haven't regretted it; Not even the ~$700 I spent on this beauty.

[dziendobry4]

SSV

[Ub3rB0ng]

Herbalaire for the win!!!:thumbsup::jointsmile:

[dziendobry4]

cleaning the valve on a Volcano + making your own bags = easy, cheap

[dziendobry4]

Volcanos are awesome, but if something goes wrong it's a bitch to fix.
I own an SSV and my bro has a (now broken) Volcano. They're both awesome but I've had my SSV for almost 3 years and it works just as well as the same day I received it. Plus it looks cool as hell.
Also, the whip fits perfectly into an 18.8 bong joint...vapor bong hits!!!

[poplars]

I think the herbalaire is the best vaporizer on the market.

I use the direct whip function, and get 25 hits out of what would normally give you 5 hits out of a pipe.

and to those who think the vape will char bud while it's sitting, that is totally incorrect. the herbalaire has the best environmental temperature control on the market, I've used it in freezing weather without any problems, I've let it sit without hitting as long as 5 mins without getting any burnt flavor (if you hit it fast and let the heat spike and then don't hit it for 5 mins then yeah you will get a bad flavor . . . . but if you hit it normally this doesn't happen at all.)

I don't really want to debate with everyone about this, all I know is I was considering a volcano until I found this thing, which is 10x better and more versatile . . . you can do huge bags or you can rip the vape through the bong or something . . . . vapes the bud whole, no waste.

[FlyinPolynesian]

SSV.... All the way!! The price + the warranty + Itʻs durability= GNARNIA MADNESS:jointsmile: