Hermied week 6

[male80205]

Almost half of the plants hermied on me week 5-6 into flowering. I can't think of anything that changed, no light leaks, no change in nutes - so what do you think caused this? :confused:
The buds were looking so nice then the lower part of the plants started developing seeds. The seeds are working their way up the plants and now the main colas have seeds.
The seeds were bagseed, but they came from decent stuff.
I've searched the posts for a week now for similar situations, but I've had no luck.
Other than reverse in the beginning of flowering, what else do you suggest to avoid this?
The pics below are at week 7.

[Weedhound]

Use Reverse by DutchMaster. How can you be so sure you don't have a light leak?

[male80205]

When I turn the lights off every 12hrs Ive stood inside the room and there have been no light leaks. It takes about 30 seconds for my eyes to really adjust, and no light leaks.
The plants have a decent amount of trichs now it would be a shame to toss the hermies. Other than trying to smoke the seedy stuff, does anyone have any suggestions for other uses?

[killerweed420]

It looks like its getting close to harvest. No big thing. If your only growing one plant its fine plus you should end up with some feminized seeds.
The most common cause for hermie is heat stress.

[stinkyattic]

You say it came from a bag of decent stuff? There's your problem. Hermi plants are genetically predisposed to become hermi under a certain level of stress; if your plant hermed under a rather low level of stress, you can assume that its offspring will do the same. Take that back a step and assume that a commercial grower is providing adequate conditions for his plants, plants that go hermi are unusually weak genetics in terms of resistance to stress without herming, and any seeds resulting from a hermi pollenation in his garden are therefore suspect. You see that they have performed badly in yours.

There's no reason not to de-seed the finished product and smoke it, just THROW AWAY those seeds!!! If you are too pissed off to de-seed the bud, try cannabutter. Instructions stickied in 'edibles'. But most of us would just prefer to shake out the seeds and smoke it ;)

[male80205]

Thanks, I will toss those seeds. I'll have DM Reverse ready for the next time.
I just looked closer and almost the indica/sativa mixes have seeds. The pure sativas seem seedless so far, but they have several more weeks to go. What a heartbreaker just a few weeks b4 harvest. I had been watching them so closely and this just pops up.
Looks like I'll have plenty of cannabutter.... that should make for a fun Thanksgiving dinner. :eat:

[Rusty Trichome]

Are you sure you aren't confusing 'seeds' with the female calyxs'?
Calyxes have a couple of pistols (hairs) shooting out of the pointy end. (a highly technical botanical term) Seeds dont.
Male parts (nanners) generally grow in small bunches (like bunches of grapes) at the internodes, or in the buds. No hairs.

[stinkyattic]

Good call RT; I don't see any seeds in those pics either.

[a420seeker]

I totally agree I don't see any seeds or pollen sacs, but my eyes ain't what they use to be either;):stoned:

[Rusty Trichome]

Male: Just clip-off a small secondary bud you suspect has seeds, (from a lower branch) and peel it open. If no seeds, you're likely in the clear. Tiz also a good way to check on it's flavor, effects...(but let it dry first, lol)

Having half your grow show different charachteristics isn't unusual. Some may resemble mom's side of the gene pool, the rest from dads side. Especially true with hybrids that weren't stabilized.

Your trichomes appear somewhat clear, but the ladies look fantastic. Looks like in a few weeks you'll not regret all the time and effort you've put forth. :thumbsup:

You will keep us informed, right...?

[male80205]

Hmm, good point. I might be a bit paranoid - I am a newbie ya know lol.
I am positive that there are a few plants with seed clusters and they are fully developed. I'll check tonight to see if the majority of the plants have seeds or if its the fem's calyx.
If you were to open the calyx what would you see? How would it look in comparison to a developing seed?
I'll take a few macro pics later tonight.
Thanks for info!

[smpaz420]

i was going to post the same thing, i didnt see any signs of seeds, just looks like nice big calyx. I am fairly new to this as well so i did not want to give anyone bad advise so i figured i would let the more experienced growers comment.

[Rusty Trichome]

I might be a bit paranoid - I am a newbie ya know lol.
Noooo...you're kidding, lol. Happens to the best of us.


I am positive that there are a few
plants with seed clusters and they are fully developed.
Ok, but seed clusters have no organized growth pattern, and if you're wrong about one, possibly wrong about all. :thumbsup:


If you were to open the calyx what would you see? How would it look in comparison to a developing seed?
When still on the plant, as the seed develops, the hairs (the tube which carries the male genetics to the ovary) extending from the calyx will wither-up and die off. The calyx eventually appears to split, giving it a sort-of racing stripe. If there is a seed inside, depending on how mature it is, it will have a semi hard to very hard covering. Full maturity in 6-8 weeks. Caution: White dwarf (immature) seeds explode when lit.

If you open a barren (unpollinated) calyx, all you'll see is mush, with a couple of hairs sticking out.



Thanks for info!
No problem. That's what we're here for. :jointsmile:

[male80205]

They are indeed seeds. I snipped a few pieces off and did a quick dry in the toaster oven....and indeed they are seeds.
These dried buds came off the plant in the pics. Is it normal for the hermies to come out so late in flowering?
They were nannerless until week 5-6.
I'm thinking they might have been root bound (they're in 3gal pots now).
I'm learning - and I have to say it has been a fun and interesting process.

[Rusty Trichome]

Yup...those look like seeded calyxs'. I guess you'll have to refer back to Stinky's original post then.
Bummer...
Are all the seeds the same maturity? Have you seen any of the nanners? Could be from just one of the 'ladies', but would carefully check 'em all. If just confined to one, would remove, dry, cure, de-seed and smoke it. Regardless, it's not going to get much better until pollen source is gone, and surfaces cleaned.

[middieman440]

in my thoughts just let em grow weed is weed even if theres seeds its still smokable and can be kept as a head stash for a rainy day when ur low on the goodies

[Rusty Trichome]

Since something is pollinating the ladies, until you find-out which plant(s) have the nanners, seeds will keep coming and they will be at at different levels of maturity upon harvest.
You'll have those big healthy brown, black or brown-black striped ones, yellow immature ones, and those annoying little popcorn ones that are impossible to find till they are exploding in your pipe.

A seeded plant also suffers in the yield department. A 2 oz cola can easily hold an ounce of seeds which are useless if from a genetic hermaphrodite. After stems and seeds are removed, perhaps 1/4 to 1/2 oz of smokable cannabis could remain. Not a very good return on investment.

Herms affect all the ladies in the room, so you'll have to decide whether or not it's worth it to just start over. :(

Whatever you do, no more 'virgins' in the flower room until room is free from pollen.

[allrollsin21]

One suggestion i would make from experience is that when you let your eyes adjust to the dark period, take your time. The eyes will adjust in a few minutes, but will adjust more fully after 10+ minutes. Trust me on this. Sit down in the room and relax, you may just start to see things you don't want to see.