WTF! They were doing so well...

[Harrison3o4]

Here is the problem I have a mother plant that I decided that I want to flower because she is getting too big and I have plenty of clones to last me months from her.

I put her into the flowering room and she was doing fine until the other day and i noticed what looked like nute burn (air movement for that day wasn't sufficent either)... Needless to say I flushed her (hydroponic flush system) with aproxametly 3 galons of ph balanced water.

Well eff me! today the bugger looks just as bad. I cliped the dead fans (the ones that were totally dried up) and did a solid flush of the system now only ph balanced tap water is in the resovour.

I will post some pictures but untl then I would love some feedback.

NOTES:
-Water PH 6.3-6.7
-Air Temp 25c
-Advanced Nuterents (bloom) 2k ppm
-400w HPS aprox. 18" away from mother
-Water 3x daily
-Light 12hrs
-Roots slightly balled up but i untanged when I flushed the
system They looked fine (discolored due to the clay pellets dust)
:wtf3::wtf3::wtf3::wtf3::wtf3::wtf3::wtf3::wtf3::w tf3::wtf3:

[Weedhound]

lower ph to 5.6 to 6.2 and lower ppm to about 800 until you figure it out.

pics would REALLY help if you want actual info that will help you.

How well is your water oxygenated?

[Harrison3o4]

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Those are the pictures The Very first one is what it looked like under the Flourescent... The rest are the most recent...

PLEASE ADVISE

[Weedhound]

you sure they just dont need more water? Are you running a drip system, dwc or? Why water 3 times a day? Hydroton pellets are airy enough that I would run a drip system 24/7 in hydro and never turn the water off.

It MAY be nuteburn....I'd cut things back but I'd also try running your watering schedule much more often and see if it helps.......if the plant looks better you can start putting your number back up......slowly.

Keep your ph between 5.6-6.2.......6.5 is considered the outside parameter so 6.7 is not ok.....

lots of possibilities..... you'll have to go one by one until you find out exactly what the issue is.....or even a combo of above symptoms together.

Good luck.

[Harrison3o4]

I have a Flood and drain system set up runs 3 times a day 30 minutes each time. You think it is underwatered? I hope that's the problem... If so, its an easy fix. I adjusted the ph and added 25% of nutes that I did last time. I'll flood it 5 times daily and see what happens...

[Weedhound]

That's the feeling I got from the photos.......she just looked LIMP! As I said I water 24/7 and my plants do great with it.

Let us know if that doesn't help the issue......or even if it does...;)

[Weedhound]

Also how are your roots looking?

[Harrison3o4]

I have a problem with my plant tipping over in my flood and drain system... It seems that the drain isn't taking as much water as the pump is putting in. I have been watering them more often but here is a picture of her as of today...

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa2/Harrison3o4/effingplants001.jpg

[Harrison3o4]

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[Harrison3o4]

Need help soon... Don't think she has much left in her... Also weedhound, can you fix me up with a tutorial of how to make your fabulous bucket system you have. I think i fell in love with it...

[Harrison3o4]

By the way this is day 6 in flowering... I am using sensi bloom part A & B for the nutes.

[dejayou30]

2000 PPM is WAY too high. When the PPM gets too high the plant can't get enough water. I never let mine get over 1300 anymore since I nearly killed some of my plants with 1800 PPM when I was first starting out. Also, as Weedhound said, lower your pH. I run 5.7 in E&F and 5.3 in DWC. As Weedhound also said, it could be a number of things, so just keep flushing for now and narrow things down.

The last picture you posted looks like my plants a couple cycles ago that had root rot that I eventually had to scrap. Check for any slime on your roots and massage any out that is there, but as much as I hate to say it, your plant might be a goner from the looks of it. :(

[dejayou30]

Also, a DWC bucket system is probably the easiest system to make. I now use DWC to grow all my mature plants after starting clones in E&F and letting their roots grow. All you have to do is take a bucket, make it light proof, cut a hole in the lid for the netpot and put an airstone in the bottom of the bucket. Just make sure the roots are touching the water and viola, a bucket system. It sounds too simple to be true but it works marvelously. Just have to be careful with using sucanat... :mad:

[Weedhound]

Deja mentioned root rot.....I think he's right or at the very least your roots got too dry.....how do the roots look?

Deja when you ran E and F was watering three times a day enough for a plant like that? I just use drip systems......and I know you use E and F when your plants are young.

Harrison you pulled your number back to about 800 right? If thats true and the plant is getting worse anyway (and it certainly appears so from your photo) then most likely Deja is correct and the roots fried either either from overnute, got too dry between waterings or perhaps are jammed together in your bucket and are choking each other off.

Can you put in a photo of your roots?

[dejayou30]

I run my E&F every 4 hours, so 6 times a day.

[Harrison3o4]

I am already a few steps ahead of you... I already started to trim the roots because I figured root rot. The bottom of the plants bed was full of stagnant water :(. I did some research and fount that the probable cause of the plant's suffering was root rot. I have a few pictures for you to check out... Tell me what you think??? Remember there were a lot more roots but I trimmed them off.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa2/Harrison3o4/roots003.jpg
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa2/Harrison3o4/roots002.jpg
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa2/Harrison3o4/roots001.jpg

P.S. how do you get pictures to show up as an attachment?

[Weedhound]

all jammed together and brownish.....you need to break apart the rootball and get some oxygen to the roots....carefully....

You need to use either hydrogen peroxide (3% at 2 tsp/gal every other day) or a good quality zyme product and use it asap. Keep your ppm low at 800....watch and adjust ph carefully.

Let us know if you DO see any improvement at all. But Deja was right.....the issue is roots and not enough oxygen.

[Weedhound]

I keep forgetting to answer the questions.

http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/146534-c-crowd.html if you check out page 11 of our old grow log it has the instructions for building the DWC bucket.


Go to advanced reply......and down to manage attachments. Click on it to open window and attach photos. You may need 50 posts to do this.....I'm honestly not sure.

good luck.

[Harrison3o4]

sorry about the bad pictures (stupid iPhone) that was rockwool above the roots... the roots were hanging out. I cliped most of the roots off because they where dead...

[Harrison3o4]

Well my last hope was to trim almost all of the roots off besides the main 4 roots treating her as a huge clone. I stuck her in dirt because that is my normal medium... Wish me luck... I'll keep you posted

[Harrison3o4]

Dead thats all I have to say... shes a gonner...

[Weedhound]

sorry to heaar that Harrison.....think you have pinpointed the problem so you can fix it before your next grow?