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[epilepticme]

I am mad as hell today. George Bush and his cronies are sending my baby sister off to Iraq.
When is the madness going to end? When can we live in the country defined by the Constitution?
When will Americans wake up and elect leaders that do the right thing?

:mad:

[bytesbull]

my cousin just got sent over there. He joined our local National Gaurd and was promised he wouldn't have to go...

Now he is there.

vietnam .... learn from your mistakes.

[brentxzi]

The rich have been sending the masses to fight their wars for them since the beginning of civilization...
hope your sister stays healthy, sometimes the mental damage is worse than the physical...

[PlantHeadJ]

Somebody has to make sure we aren't attacked, or our friends. What the hell do you know. Are you ready to defend your home if the military quits doing things for you? If the military says F it and goes on vacation and some unfriendlies roll up on our beaches and come to kill you...Are you ready to fight? I thought so, so let our soldiers be heros and shut your unintelligent mounths! Also read or ask some folks who have been there. The morale is great over there and we are making a difference. You just know what the media crams down your throat. Why aren't you going? Why not go over and see for yourself? thought so....your sister is protecting your miserable negative ass. God Bless Her!!
Not trying to cause an arguement here, but just like Vietnam spoiled little idiots whine and moan non-stop while honest hard working americans are fighting for our country. They come home to Idiots who have no clue!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!
If not get the Fuck out.

[epilepticme]

I know a little bit about serving the country. My grandfather, father , 2 uncles, myself, several cousins and now my sister have served.

It does not make it any easier to swallow knowing a loved one is going in harms way.

With that said.. who are we to tell someone to fuck off because of an opinion. I think all those soldiers I listed before fought to keep mine and your right to say what we want.

[Forwhat420]

I been to Iraq...Twice...Were you? Morale in the over all ARMY and Marines forces sucks right about now...Don't know where you got your resources from. Officers might be loving life but ask the enlisted...the ones who carry this war on their backs.
You go figt a fucking war where you can not see an enemy who is always in your prescence. Go guard some oil fields (which I did as a Petroleum Supply Specialist, MOS-77F now 92F), and come back to see oil prices are rising weekly. See how you feel. So as a Disabled Vet I say fuck you...

And as for your sister...Sry to hear, I know how it feels to look in your loved one's eyes and not know if you will ever see them again. May God Bless her dude!!!

[JaggedEdge]

I been to Iraq...Twice...Were you? Morale in the over all ARMY and Marines forces sucks right about now...Don't know where you got your resources from. Officers might be loving life but ask the enlisted...the ones who carry this war on their backs.
You go figt a fucking war where you can not see an enemy who is always in your prescence. Go guard some oil fields (which I did as a Petroleum Supply Specialist, MOS-77F now 92F), and come back to see oil prices are rising weekly. See how you feel. So as a Disabled Vet I say fuck you...

And as for your sister...Sry to hear, I know how it feels to look in your loved one's eyes and not know if you will ever see them again. May God Bless her dude!!!

I have 3 friends who have been to Iraq and enjoyed it a great deal. I understand not everyone feels the same way and they may not represent the masses, but none the less the three vets I know enjoyed their time in the service.

Secondly, why join the military if you aren't willing to go to war? I understand they sometimes lie in regards to deployment, but common sense should dictate there is a good possibility you will be sent to Iraq or Afghanistan. When you sign along that line you know your basically signing your life away for at least four years.

The bottom line is this. I have a lot of respect for those in the armed forces, I sure as hell wouldn't join. As for people who do though, it should be understood what you are getting yourself into. There is always the possibility you will be forced to fight in a war you don't believe in.

With that said, I firmly believe the National Guard should be used strictly for defensive purposes, natural disasters, etc, but again, it's understood you may be called to active duty.

On a final note, I see your point in regards to oil and feel we should be pushing the Iraqi government for a massive discount in that regard. At least we know the war wasn't over oil though...

[thcbongman]

Somebody has to make sure we aren't attacked, or our friends. What the hell do you know. Are you ready to defend your home if the military quits doing things for you? If the military says F it and goes on vacation and some unfriendlies roll up on our beaches and come to kill you...Are you ready to fight? I thought so, so let our soldiers be heros and shut your unintelligent mounths! Also read or ask some folks who have been there. The morale is great over there and we are making a difference. You just know what the media crams down your throat. Why aren't you going? Why not go over and see for yourself? thought so....your sister is protecting your miserable negative ass. God Bless Her!!
Not trying to cause an arguement here, but just like Vietnam spoiled little idiots whine and moan non-stop while honest hard working americans are fighting for our country. They come home to Idiots who have no clue!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!
If not get the Fuck out.

You aren't supporting the troops. You are supporting the policy. To hide behind the military to attack someone for your belief in the policy is cowardly. The military isn't there voluntarily. They're there because of fatcat politicians.

No one except the ignorant blames the troops for the situation in Iraq. If anyone is to blame, it's the ones who decided for them to go. The military should be judged on how well they accomplish their orders and frankly we are the best. However our policies are shitty.

End of story.

[Psycho4Bud]

I don't recall a draft....when you join the services they train ya for a reason. Best of wishes to your sister and the rest of your family.

Have a good one!:s4:

[psychocat]

I don't believe the military is being used for the purpose they are supposed to be.
The military should be defending thier own countries not fighting to protect corporate interests.
I send my best wishes to anyone serving , I know a lot of Brit soldiers are unhappy at the role they are forced to play in this farce of a war on terror
Hope your family members all come home safe. :thumbsup:

[JaySin]

There is a difference in defending our country and creating wars because we don't like how other countries run themselves. I'm sure the troops would gladly stay on their homeland and defend instead of going into other countries on the offensive.

[wheresmylighternow]

I am mad as hell today. George Bush and his cronies are sending my baby sister off to Iraq.
When is the madness going to end? When can we live in the country defined by the Constitution?
When will Americans wake up and elect leaders that do the right thing?

:mad:

WTF.. i am sorry shes going BUT Any and every person that has signed up for ANY service in the last 5 years, WHAT THE FUCK did you think you were signing up for.. NEWS FLASH the country is AT WAR!!!
Has been for a few years now!!
Do you really think(not you, directed 2 everyone) the goverment was going to give you 20,000 to 40,000 dollars to wash tanks in bikinis and speedo's?

Your joining the military!
Godspeed and know I see your troubles..

[DaBudhaStank]

Yeah, seems like most people said it already, but PlantheadJ, you're just dumb. I don't know how you've survived as long as you have.

I feel for you brosef, I hope your sister does well and doesnt get hurt. 'Tis true though; you sign up, you know shit could go south real quick. If the war in Iraq had never happened I might be in the National Guard right now (since I messed up pretty bad in school). However, it IS happening, and men and women who aren't supposed to leave the country to Guard other Nations are doing just that, so no thank you. Joining the military to "defend" other countries isn't quite what I would have had in mind.

[Chong Version 2.0]

Firstly, it's not a war, it's an occupation.
How can you declare war on terrorism? Ask yourself WHY there are terrorists in the middle East. You might then figure out who the real terrorists are.

[wheresmylighternow]

Firstly, it's not a war, it's an occupation.
How can you declare war on terrorism? Ask yourself WHY there are terrorists in the middle East. You might then figure out who the real terrorists are.

i agree, you cant declare war on a tactic.
It is just a blank check to do what they want and where and to whom they want

[DaBudhaStank]

NEWS FLASH the country is AT WAR!!!
Has been for a few years now!!


Newsflash: No, we aren't. This whole situation has been called "The War in Iraq" almost since it's inception, courtesy of our money and politically driven 24 hour cable news friends. Too bad we not once ever declared war on Iraq. We issued several air strikes and a ground invasion. Vietnam wasn't a war either, it was a "conflict". Exact same policy was used back in the day.

So what's the difference? As far as I can tell, nothing. Provided Congress continues to approve of whats happening and continues to give it's support, there is almost no difference in declaring war or not.

[wheresmylighternow]

Newsflash: No, we aren't.

i think anyone seeing their buddy's heads being blown off, or catching a roadside IED would beg to differ. The troops are at war, they are doing what they agreed to do, which is to do what is asked of them. like it or not.

[dragonrider]

Newsflash: No, we aren't. This whole situation has been called "The War in Iraq" almost since it's inception, courtesy of our money and politically driven 24 hour cable news friends. Too bad we not once ever declared war on Iraq. We issued several air strikes and a ground invasion. Vietnam wasn't a war either, it was a "conflict". Exact same policy was used back in the day.

It's kind of a semantics argument at this point isn't it? I mean, no matter what you call it (war, conflict, police action, beanbag fight, pissing contest), anyone joining the military right now knows what they are signing up for, right? Hard combat in Iraq or Aghanistan. Who could realisticaly expect anything else?

I hope the best for the sister and for everyone fighting over there. Please, God, come home safe. And I know that there are plenty of people who have been "stop lossed" into a war they never signed up for, or pulled out of the duty they expected when they signed up for the Guard, but anyone who has signed up in the last five years must know what they are getting into. They should not be surprised.

[GreenLeaf420]

When the we have one to vote for....

Election year and look who your choices are... Me personally I am not happy with either!!! That is just my opinion...

[LolaGal]

[quote=PlantHeadJ]Somebody has to make sure we aren't attacked, or our friends. What the hell do you know. Are you ready to defend your home if the military quits doing things for you? If the military says F it and goes on vacation and some unfriendlies roll up on our beaches and come to kill you...Are you ready to fight?

Hell yeah I am ready to fight and defend my home. I got a Colt 45 and a case of ammo, shotguns, deer rifles, even a 357 magnum. I pity the fool who rolls up to my door lookin for a fight. It would "make my day". Us country girls were raised on shotguns. I even have a concealed weapon permit. Note to terrorists.......don't invade the US from the SOUTH

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

Minitary should be used for one thing, and one thing only: Home land security.

They should not be going off to other countries to fight.


If our allies are UNDER ATTACK, then we go to THEIR country and defend them too.

but we CANNOT allow our troops to fight wars off allied and home land soil!!!


END OF DEBATE.

[Mississippi Steve]

I know a little bit about serving the country. My grandfather, father , 2 uncles, myself, several cousins and now my sister have served.

It does not make it any easier to swallow knowing a loved one is going in harms way.

With that said.. who are we to tell someone to fuck off because of an opinion. I think all those soldiers I listed before fought to keep mine and your right to say what we want.

she knew what she was getting into when she enlisted. She is an adult now and has to make her own choices. Love her enough to support her in her pursuit of lifes experiences, and it doesnt matter if its right or wrong in your mind. whats important is whats right in *her* mind.

I wish her fair winds and following seas, and am gratefull she is willing and able to serve.

Semper Paratus

[Markass]

Somebody has to make sure we aren't attacked, or our friends. What the hell do you know. Are you ready to defend your home if the military quits doing things for you? If the military says F it and goes on vacation and some unfriendlies roll up on our beaches and come to kill you...Are you ready to fight? I thought so, so let our soldiers be heros and shut your unintelligent mounths! Also read or ask some folks who have been there. The morale is great over there and we are making a difference. You just know what the media crams down your throat. Why aren't you going? Why not go over and see for yourself? thought so....your sister is protecting your miserable negative ass. God Bless Her!!
Not trying to cause an arguement here, but just like Vietnam spoiled little idiots whine and moan non-stop while honest hard working americans are fighting for our country. They come home to Idiots who have no clue!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!
If not get the Fuck out.

The people we're fighting in Iraq have no organized military, navy, or air force, they're not going to roll up on our beaches..And I'd say most homes in America have at least one gun in them, and every country in the world knows that, which is why japan had to sneak up on us at pearl harbor to hurt us...

I will sneak into canada before I get sent to DEFEND IRAQ. Iraq has nothing to do with defending our country. I'm sorry but it doesn't. The price of oil has quadrupled since we started this war, we haven't accomplished anything to benefit our country by any means, especially considering the fact that bin laden is still free and clear after basically killing 2,000 americans on september 11th.

Mark my words, the day some sorry pieces of shit invade our country, I will take arms and defend my country with my life, just as the people in the middle east are defending their country against foreign presence.

I get so fucking tired of people saying Iraq and protecting our freedom in one sentence. It's dying to defend Iraq's freedom, a country that if the shoe was on the other foot wouldn't give a SHIT about what happened to us.

[wheresmylighternow]

Look who your choices are... Me personally I am not happy with either!!! That is just my opinion...

i agree they both suck, i wanted Ron Paul and so did many. Since its rigged and no matter who gets into the office is just a puppet of MEGA rich..

[Mississippi Steve]

i agree they both suck, i wanted Ron Paul and so did many. Since its rigged and no matter who gets into the office is just a puppet of MEGA rich..

Both the dem and rep candidates aren't worth knockin inna head. I am afraid I will have to vote for the alternative this time around. It won't be who I am voting for, it will be who I am voting against.
I am afraid I will have to vote for Bob Barr this time around. He can't do any worse than the others.

[Forwhat420]

Bottom line is half the country has no clue, and the others were raised to believe in what others tell them. Any of you who think this war isn't over black gold are fools. Our country was built on that black gold and we are running out...The few oil reserves we have here dont cover a third of what we use.
Use your head. What do us as Americans do when we want something or want to make something our way? The very thing that we have done from the beggining of time...
Personally I don't think it is right.

[JaggedEdge]

Bottom line is half the country has no clue, and the others were raised to believe in what others tell them. Any of you who think this war isn't over black gold are fools. Our country was built on that black gold and we are running out...The few oil reserves we have here dont cover a third of what we use.
Use your head. What do us as Americans do when we want something or want to make something our way? The very thing that we have done from the beggining of time...
Personally I don't think it is right.

I'm assuming your talking about America even though you have an English flag...

First of all we have plenty of reserves here if we were allowed to actually drill on them. ANWAR and the coast are to prime examples. By not covering a third, are you referring the ones we are currently drilling or all the reserves known within our boarder?

Finally, if this war were for oil why the hell are we paying $4 a gallon? That's simply ignorant. I think it would seem natural that if the reason for this war were "black gold" oil would be cheaper. The Iraqi's control their oil not the American government.

I don't even think we're getting a discount from them, yet the war was over oil...

[Breukelen advocaat]

I don't even think we're getting a discount from them, yet the war was over oil...
Our military in Iraq pays full price for it. Doesn't make sense to me.

[psychocat]

Our military in Iraq pays full price for it. Doesn't make sense to me.

It might if you were the CEO of an oil company :D

[Forwhat420]

and how many of our congress man and government officials have ties with these CEOs? hhhhmm lets see, just about all of them?

[Forwhat420]

Saudi Arabia has most of the say setting oil prices for those who dont know. Wasn't Enron a big energy company? Wasn't Rumsfield part of that whole ordeal?

[JaggedEdge]

and how many of our congress man and government officials have ties with these CEOs? hhhhmm lets see, just about all of them?

So let me get this straight. Congress allowed this war in order to use more oil? If that were their sole plan they would have destroyed every oil field in Iraq rather than trying to protect them. If their key goal were to get oil prices to rise that is...

So, the war was about getting more oil at cheaper prices which hasn't happened, or the government was trying to make oil tycoons richer by using more with their fighter jets and tanks...?

Or we viewed Iraq as a key territory to control in the Middle East in preparation for a war with Iran. That seems like a more logical deduction than a war for oil. But that's just me. My theory does seem to be gaining support though with the reports of Israel using U.S. air bases in Iraq and the sheer location of the country in relation to Iran and Israel.

[Aspire420]

Bicycles, subway, taxi, walking, and trade in for a compact. That is the way to end the war for oil. There would be no reason to complain if there was a change.

[FreshNugz]

So let me get this straight. Congress allowed this war in order to use more oil? If that were their sole plan they would have destroyed every oil field in Iraq rather than trying to protect them. If their key goal were to get oil prices to rise that is...

So, the war was about getting more oil at cheaper prices which hasn't happened, or the government was trying to make oil tycoons richer by using more with their fighter jets and tanks...?

Or we viewed Iraq as a key territory to control in the Middle East in preparation for a war with Iran. That seems like a more logical deduction than a war for oil. But that's just me. My theory does seem to be gaining support though with the reports of Israel using U.S. air bases in Iraq and the sheer location of the country in relation to Iran and Israel.

Well first off, congress really didn't know what the facts were. They didn't have the plan of authorizing the war for more oil, that was the administration. Congress was kept in the dark, and was reeling in the aftermath of 9-11.
Attacks on oil are cited as reasoning behind price surges for gasoline almost every day now. The US doesn't need to go in and blow them up to get the prices up, thats just the job of big players in the market whose speculation is everything to its stability. So everytime they tell us some shit about an oil reserve being inactive, or someone blew it up, or some accident happened...it is all bullshit to cover the fact that the speculation is whats causing unrest.
Nobody said the war was for more oil at a cheaper price for you or me..it is sold at a cheap ass price to US and other companies who are making millions. And they jack the price through speculation in the marker - just to twist the knife in a bit more. Their intent was never to provide the public with cheap gas! It is to get rich off price fixing. Because after all, what can we do? We're addicted to the stuff right? We'll pay anything! Heaven forbid a woman can't fill her SUV to take little Billy to soccer practice!That is what the bigwigs know, and the rest of us need to try to disprove. Quite simply, they have us by the balls.:cool:

Anyone notice its awfully coincidental how this situation is hitting its worst levels now in the last year of the administration. Just a thought, but I think we will see relief with the change in administration.
Your theory on the other hand is incredibly plausible. I have no complaint with that. But its again only one in a list of hundreds of reasons that this war has taken place. Some we know, some we will never know.

[psteve]

Bush created the terrorist threat as they exist today.
After the election, Obama can use FISA to put the traitorous bastard behind bars where he belongs.

[rebgirl420]

Somebody has to make sure we aren't attacked, or our friends. What the hell do you know. Are you ready to defend your home if the military quits doing things for you? If the military says F it and goes on vacation and some unfriendlies roll up on our beaches and come to kill you...Are you ready to fight? I thought so, so let our soldiers be heros and shut your unintelligent mounths! Also read or ask some folks who have been there. The morale is great over there and we are making a difference. You just know what the media crams down your throat. Why aren't you going? Why not go over and see for yourself? thought so....your sister is protecting your miserable negative ass. God Bless Her!!
Not trying to cause an arguement here, but just like Vietnam spoiled little idiots whine and moan non-stop while honest hard working americans are fighting for our country. They come home to Idiots who have no clue!
SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!
If not get the Fuck out.

THANK YOU!

The men and women who sign up for the military know that there is a VERY REAL chance that they will be called into combat.

[FreshNugz]

I can't believe the amount of people who actually say "well, hey she signed up....so..."
What a cruel thing to say to this man who was asking for some help in grieving.
You don't think he knows that she signed up? It is hard and trying for family members to understand this decision by loved ones. All the honour and pride in the world doesn't save a person from missing their relative or friend who is off at war.

And if she did sign up after the war began, then all the more respect to her for having more courage than any of us. Already a few have stated they would not fight.
Not agreeing with a war fought OVERSEAS is different than not being ready to defend your HOMELAND.
I don't agree with this war. I would feel just the way this person did when they found out their sister was being sent.
But if someone "rolled up the beach" I would be right down there to fight, you can guarantee.
There is a difference between the fight for freedom and the fight for ideological/strategic control of something
Comparisons between the world wars and vietnam are almost disrespectful.
This is not to say the veterans of Vietnam are less respectable. They fought and should be credited for such. But not agreeing with why they were there doesn't make you unpatriotic. I really don't understand how people could be so rude as to shrug this post off by saying "anyone who signs up knows what they're getting in to".
Have a bit of heart.

[psychocat]

Extremely well put Nugz.
I would be the first to turn complete psycho on any invaders but I can't agree with the way our troops are being used at this point in time.
I believe the British military to be the one all other countries model themselves on and I am more than proud of our history in battle.
We apologise for the empire we built , I refuse to as I believe we didn't just take we aided too. The infrastructure we built as invaders is still in use today and it benefits some of the countries we invaded but it doesn't mean we were right to enforce our will on those countries .

The point of any armed force should be to defend it's citizens and protect thier rights and beliefs , it shouldn't be used to try to impose those ideals on another nation.

[DaBudhaStank]

i think anyone seeing their buddy's heads being blown off, or catching a roadside IED would beg to differ. The troops are at war, they are doing what they agreed to do, which is to do what is asked of them. like it or not.

Oh, no doubt. The soldiers over there right now are at war. Technically however, as retarded as it sounds and completely moronic as it actually is, we are not at war. We are in an extended engagement.

[PlantHeadJ]

Yes you are right that these people we are fighting do not have an air force, navy or army so to speak. So they resort to hijacking planes, kidnapping, chemical warfare, and any other dispicable act of war. They resort to killing innocent people that are not in uniform. Not getting paid to fight. That is why they need to be stopped. I do agree that if you sign up for the military, don't be suprised that you wind up going to war. My thoughts and prayers are with any American or Ally soul that is on any forgien land for any reason fighting for you, me, and or country. I'm sure it doesn't make sense to some, but like every other armchair Idiot, who is the king of hindsight, What should have been done or what shouldn't have been done is purely speculation. If you don't like the decisions made...run for office and then make the decisions. Then wait while everyone out there tells you "gosh, why did you do that when you should have done this". Well Sir, if you had all of the information you may have made a decision based on that rather than what some idiot read in the paper. So I guess I am the one who is wrong to support our troops and love my country. All this said I can't believe people come out and say they would "sneek to Canada". What a coward. I don't sneek anywhere Sir, ever. Nor does this country. Peace,
Plantheadj

[PlantHeadJ]

Oh and PSteve, you are a twitt. I do however get a chuckle out of your goofy posts. If Bush created this threat, then how did he do that with the U.S.S Cole? Pearl Harbor? He must have started young....

[psychocat]

Oh and PSteve, you are a twitt. I do however get a chuckle out of your goofy posts. If Bush created this threat, then how did he do that with the U.S.S Cole? Pearl Harbor? He must have started young....

I don't believe Bush started this shit but he certainly poured petrol on an already savage fire.
You try going round telling folks what they can do and enforcing your will by threat and see how long it takes you to make enemies.:D

[epilepticme]

I feel this post probably was not a good idea and was made in haste, however since this thread is so long now I feel I should expand some facts and squash some speculative banter.

My sister is in the Medical Corps of the Army. When she signed up for the Army I am sure her intentions were not to go off to some distant land as a target but to take care of the veterans here stateside.

She serves with honor and she goes because someone told her too. That's what the military is all about. Every last one of those men and women are not there fighting for oil they are fighting for our freedom. That is what they believe trust me. They are there to help a new democracy grow. Not to further our NeoCon Dictators evil game plan.

I just hope to god she is safe along with all of those others over there.

Now to bring this back to Cannabis. I really could use some advice on a strain for anxiety that will not couch lock me. Seems my anxiety is worse already. She only has to stay over there for two years :(

[TheMetal1]

I'm really wayy too tired and have no energy to put any in depth thought into this, but something bugs me. I understand that we are at war and people ARE fighting for America. I totally accept the fact that this has been "the way," since the dawn of man. You feel threatened, you fight. Plain and simple. But I ask... since when is our modern world simple? For the first time in history we, as humans, have the capacity to completely wipe out our entire civilization in a matter of moments. That's it. Not like a big rumble and stuff falls off of your shelves... but you hear a woosh and then you, everyone you have ever known, anything you have ever touched, is turned to vapor. Amidst all of this debate about who we should be fighting or defending, I see no comment on the fact that, IN OUR MODERN WORLD, we can't resolve our differences with anything less than invasion and submission. We can not hide from strangers forever. Soon, with the increasing population, we will have no choice but to live side by side with all races and cultures... and the concept of "our neighborhood" will literally span the globe. Maybe I'm being idealistic... maybe we really do have to use force to get what we want.

In my opinion... fighting is what people do when they have no more intelligent ideas on how to deal with a situation. I, personally, don't believe that we are all out of intelligent ideas.
My suggestion is for everyone to take all of the time they spend on debating who we should be fighting... and come up with reasons for why we should even resort to fighting in the first place.

At least that's how I feel :jointsmile:

[JaggedEdge]

The Metal,

I doubt your scenario will happen. I think World War III will greatly diminish the worlds population before we get to having to coexist the way you speak of.

It would be great, but we already have an experiment in world government (UN) and it fails miserably. There is to much violence in the world to even begin to question why we shouldn't fight.

North Korea and South Korea will not embrace each other anytime soon. North Africa isn't going to stop raping and murdering it's children. Many parts of the Middle East aren't going to suddenly be willing to co-exist with Israel and the West.

I honestly believe we will kill each other before it ever gets to that point.

If I misread your post let me know.

[TheMetal1]

I see what you are saying... which is why I said it may be too idealistic, but I still believe it holds answers to modern problems. It's when people think, and use phrasing like:


I doubt ....
You should never doubt the potential for human greatness.


There is to much violence in the world to even begin to question why we shouldn't fight.
To ignore things crucial to human survival, due to their complexities, will prove to be more damaging to the world than war.



North Korea and South Korea will not embrace each other anytime soon. North Africa isn't going to stop raping and murdering it's children. Many parts of the Middle East aren't going to suddenly be willing to co-exist with Israel and the West.
And marijuana will never be accepted by the United States Federal Government as a valid form of medication.

Do you see what I'm saying? I'm just trying to spread the message that we need to start thinking differently. We should stop thinking that we can't make change, because things are "too bad." We should quit trying to predict the future, and stop claiming our unwaivering acceptance of an upcoming World War. We NEED to stop thinking that whatever country has extreme poverty or mass violence, will be that way FOREVER. Think about it... every day, dozens of people are murdered in the United States. Women are raped and abused... children are neglected... we violently and unjustly police morality... people go hungry... should I keep going? We need to understand that we are NOT the model country that we have always been told we are. We are still an amazing country, but we can't hide from history anymore. The problems we face every day, although different, are just as difficult as any other persons problems. Would we allow another global power to invade our city streets because they were upset with our increasing gang violence? Or our countries drug problem? How about child abduction? These things happen in so called "evil" nations, (and they should be stopped for sure) but they also happen in this country. Are you satisfied in saying that America will continue to decline into chaos, street violence, war, and death? Personally, I am not. I know that we can change and be the great country that we desperately want to be, in an intelligent and peaceful way. I also think that we should offer that same faith and opportunity to those countries that we judge so harshly. I know I'm not perfect, and I don't expect anyone else to be either... but I do hope that we don't just give up when things get a bit complicated.

In the mean time, I'm going to Stay :D and Keep :jointsmile:

[FreshNugz]

Do you see what I'm saying? I'm just trying to spread the message that we need to start thinking differently. We should stop thinking that we can't make change, because things are "too bad." We should quit trying to predict the future, and stop claiming our unwaivering acceptance of an upcoming World War. We NEED to stop thinking that whatever country has extreme poverty or mass violence, will be that way FOREVER. Think about it... every day, dozens of people are murdered in the United States. Women are raped and abused... children are neglected... we violently and unjustly police morality... people go hungry... should I keep going? We need to understand that we are NOT the model country that we have always been told we are. We are still an amazing country, but we can't hide from history anymore. The problems we face every day, although different, are just as difficult as any other persons problems. Would we allow another global power to invade our city streets because they were upset with our increasing gang violence? Or our countries drug problem? How about child abduction? These things happen in so called "evil" nations, (and they should be stopped for sure) but they also happen in this country. Are you satisfied in saying that America will continue to decline into chaos, street violence, war, and death? Personally, I am not. I know that we can change and be the great country that we desperately want to be, in an intelligent and peaceful way. I also think that we should offer that same faith and opportunity to those countries that we judge so harshly. I know I'm not perfect, and I don't expect anyone else to be either... but I do hope that we don't just give up when things get a bit complicated.



That's some interesting theory. And a refreshing view.
:thumbsup: to you.