flowering mom

[McDanger]

1st, thanks to all that helped me get this far.
This log is going to be about mainly the flowering of 2 plants that I have from bagseed, they will go into the flower room tomorrow. I took 8 clones from one of them so I may add them to the room later after I veg them for a little bit.
My question is the smaller of the 2 plants is only 12" tall, but it is dense with huge fan leaves as big as my hand. Should I cut some of the fan leaves off to get more light to the lower parts of the plant? I am going to do a scrog with this using a 400w HPS in a room about 3.5X4ft.
Also I was thinking of adding some cfl's on the sides to get more light to the lower part of the plants, should I use the 3000k bulbs or the 6500, or a combination for flowering?

[jakezking]

McDanger, you have some beautiful plants on your hands there! It's amazing what some bagbeans will do in the proper hands! I'm looking forward to seeing all of your little clones too! Hopefully, you will bring them to the party (this log) when they have grown a bit.

As for your questions, I would not cut any fan leaves off the plant. I've heard reference to the fan leaves as warehouses of nutrients for bud production, so severing the leaves will deplete impending buds of needed food. Now, you may try a LST - bend and tie down certain stems or even the main stem of the plant, which will allow light to reach much more of your plant's surface area. It should still do fine in a SCROG, I would think, as you will have many more bud sites reaching up for the screen.

As for the lighting, I am only in the midst of my first outdoor grow, so I don't know much about lighting just yet, other than what I have picked up browsing threads on this great board. Therefore, take this advice with a grain of salt, and research the issue (or, otherwise wait for someone with experience to answer your question), but I think I remember reading that lower lumens in a CFL offer more of a blue spectrum for flowering, with the higher lumen CFL's being better for vegetative growth. Based upon such recollection, I would use the 3k bulb.

I look forward to your grow/flower log, bro! And, I wish you every success with it!

[McDanger]

Day one of flower. Just moved them to the 12/12 room.
Also a pic of my veg area with the clones and a lame plant That I have not been able to kill no matter how many mistakes I make starting out in Hydro using the "Hatch" method (thanks Hatch).
I put the clones into the aero system and refilled the bubble cloner.

[tokr2153]

lookin good my man keep it up

[McDanger]

Man, these things are goin nuts under the hps, I think I had 4" of growth in 2 days. I decided to get away from scrog and just lst them to gather all the light I can.
I have a question tho. There are some rusty colored spots on some leaves that I think is bugs. I have sprayed with neem oil and it does not seem to be getting any worse so I think I handled it, but what would it be? I want to avoid this in the future.
I really fell in love with Hygrozyme, this shit works great. I put it in the res with the rooted clones 2 days ago and the roots have doubled in size since then. I am a little worried about the clones themselves though, they look a little pale but other than that they seem healthy. Any comments or hints would be appreciated.
This grow thing really has got me obsessed, I started out with 3 seedlings and now I have 19 plants (3 from seed and 16 clones), if all goes well I should be all stocked up for winter+++:rasta::rasta::rastasmoke::rastasmoke::ra stasmoke:

[jakezking]

Leaves, roots - McDanger, you're showing me that aeorponics throws off some amazing results. It looks like hatch has really shown you the way! You have a super sweet setup, and I completely understand your new obsession. It's easy to get carried away with the process of growing - the end result isn't too shabby either! And, you are going to end up with some ladies as fine as mercedes. Yeah - I really should stay away from the rhymes.

Enjoy the rest of your weekend!

[McDanger]

Yea, the only problem is I build one system then learn more and change my mind. I have an ebb and flow setup that I only used to pretreat the hydroton, then changed my mind and went with the aero. I did have to change pumps on that because the pump I was using was heating up the res too much. Put a regular 450gph pond pump in there now and temps seem more stable.

[McDanger]

I thought I had this under control but when the lights went on today I see it is getting worse. I don't know if it is bugs or something else. I need help.

[McDanger]

I'll post some more pics tommorrow. I think I have the problem fixed. My pH tester probe was fucked so I was getting bad readings and my pH was way off. It was so low they got locked out. I flushed and they seem to be coming back. Also found a light leak in my intake (fixed it). Do I start my day count over now? I can see no evidence of sex yet.(8 days)
See you tommorrow:stoned::stoned:

[McDanger]

Leaves, roots - McDanger, you're showing me that aeorponics throws off some amazing results. It looks like hatch has really shown you the way! You have a super sweet setup, and I completely understand your new obsession. It's easy to get carried away with the process of growing - the end result isn't too shabby either! And, you are going to end up with some ladies as fine as mercedes. Yeah - I really should stay away from the rhymes.

Enjoy the rest of your weekend!

Hey Jake, Thanks. I think I have to get ahold of Hatch for some help, the roots seem to get bigger every day but I am not getting any veg growth and they are really pale green.
I'll do that tommorrow too. (anniversary today, spendin it wit the ol' lady)

[McDanger]

Clones are finally starting to put on some veg. I will probably move them to the flower room as soon as the other clones are ready to come out of the cloner, they will be going into soil. This should be interesting, I will have 2 in soil and 9 in the aero system in flower at the same time.
The moms look like they are coming back strong, but are stretching a bit which was expected.
any comments??:cool:

[McDanger]

Well, I had to pull the bigger of the 2 plants (male) and his 8 clones.
The plant that is left is doing great though. Her clones have not put out any roots yet, but they are swelling and starting to get the bumps. As soon as they are ready I will put them in the aero system. I think I will veg them until I harvest the mom then I will move 4 of them to the flower room. I think I will take the other 3 outdoors when I go to the cabin next month. I will get them set up outdoors then they are on there own until huntin season when I can check on them more.:stoned:

[Opie Yutts]

Looking good. Smokes-a-coming.

[McDanger]

Thanks for checkin in Opie. I have been reading about your theory on 13hrs of light and I think I will switch them to that today from 12/12. My clones seem to be taking forever to root. They seem healthy and are getting the preroot bumps on them but they have been in the cloner for 2 weeks now. Would this be caused by light leaking into the inside of the cloner??? they seem ok, just taking a long time to root.

[Opie Yutts]

Probably not from light, but it should be mostly light-proof to prevent algae and rot. I've had some take over two weeks to root, but if you're seeing the bumps just be patient, roots should follow soon. Higher temperatures mean faster rooting and higher chance of mold or rot. Lower temps mean safer conditions and slower rooting. Without re-reading everything, you didn't take cuttings during flower did you? These are much harder to root.

[McDanger]

Opie,
It probably was the res temp, which was a little low ( upper 60's). Since I moved them to the aero bin they have started to root and look much better.
The mom is looking pretty good. I think the soil mix I made was too hot.(mostly composted manure). I don't think they used very much humus in the compost.
I have flushed it 3 times now and the runoff pH is still over 7. The large fans curl under pretty bad. I have been foliar feeding with 1/4 strength of gh micro right when the lights go on. I'll have pics later, my battery is dead. Thanks again.:stoned:
I thought the man:( shut the site down when I couldn't get on for 2 days.:mad:

[McDanger]

you can see the curled leaves in the whole plant pics. It seems to point to too much nitrogen. Hopefully this flush will cure it.Maybe I'm just paranoid.:cool:

[stinkyattic]

That is a perfect example of what a rootbound but otherwise healthy plant looks like. If you did not JUST do a transplant, and that is left over from previously being in too small a pot, go up to a feed-bucket sized home, which I think is 10gallons.

[McDanger]

That is a perfect example of what a rootbound but otherwise healthy plant looks like. If you did not JUST do a transplant, and that is left over from previously being in too small a pot, go up to a feed-bucket sized home, which I think is 10gallons.

I transplanted 7-10 days ago, and I went from a 3gallon pot with stones in the bottom to a 5gal bucket with just the soil mix. I have 1/2" holes in the sides of the bucket going 8" up the sides and I don't see any roots in the holes. I am leary of pulling it out of there to check. I think transplanting it up from here will be a 2 person job.
This morning it looks like it is really putting on the buds. If the problem keeps up I will do the transplant in a couple days after it dries out a little. Wait and see for now:smokin::smokin::smokin:

[McDanger]

I just went back and looked at the older pics. I didn't realize how much she grew. I still think I will let her dry out a little before moving her unless she starts to get worse.:smokin:
Thanks stinky:jointsmile::jointsmile:

[McDanger]

Just a quick update. She is putting on the trichs, and starting to get dense. Sorry I don't have any pics, I broke my camera trying to fit a homemade macro lense. I hope it comes back from the shop soon. Buds don't smell much which is good since my exhaust fan motor blew on me (I was using an old furnace blower fan) and the duct booster fan doesn't push enough air for the filter.
The clones I moved to the aero system have 4 rooted and in pots now. They look great, the rest are still alive, just not putting out any roots. I took 10 more clones from another bagseed plant I have. As soon as they root I will put 1 in 12/12 to sex it and go from there.
Sorry for the rambling post and no pics.:D

[BeFree]

Just a quick reply. :jointsmile:

Keep it up bud, and I'm looking forward to another update and pictures. =) :bonghit:


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[McDanger]

This may be a little long.
First off I must give props to stinky for a correct diagnosis once again.(you truely are the queen) The mom was rootbound, although not really bad. I think I had a compound problem. rootbound and a lockout of k due to too much manure in my soil mixture.
I transplanted yesterday to Sta-green veg and flower soil (.05-.04-.03) with 16qt of perlite added to 2cu ft of the soil, and watered with water from the dehumidifier. I cut off the necrotic leaves that were mostly dead(6-7 leaves), but I still have some curling and discoloration of the larger fans. I don't know if this is residual or new. Other than this minor (I think) problem everything seems to be chugging along.

[McDanger]

OK, I have another plant in an aeroponics system that I am using for clones and then I am going to try to Bonsai and move to soil.(I don't have the room to run 2 systems at once, soil + hydro). There are 3 more shoots to cut as soon as I have space, then I will cut her down to size.
$ clones from the mom in flower are in soil now and growing good, 2 more are finally getting roots. The others from the bonsai (10) are in the bubble cloner for 4 days now. After I harvest the mom I will clean the flower room and do some improvements, then move the clones to flower.

I have a question, the bin the mom is in now is 15"w X21"L X15"deep, how many clones could I flower in this if they are put in after about 40 days veg? I was thinking 4 but maybe only 2. Oh, 400w HPS and 250w MH. room is roughly 4 X 4. I think that is it for now:pimp::D

[inbud]

Just read your journal, it was GREAT! You are doing such a good job keeping it up to date. And looks like you got the same "growing bug" i have. i just love growing! (not to be confused with a real bug):D

[inbud]

want to subscribe and didnt hit it..sorry for the double post. come look at my grow, i just put up some new pics, if you like.

[hatch]

Great Thread!!!!,,,,,,You Are Doing A Most Exellent Job,,,Congrat's On Your Success,,& You Have Some Wonderful Looking Plant's!!!!,,,,,,Sorry I Wasn't Around When You Were Needing Help!!,,, & Thank's To Jake, Opie, Stinky,& All The Other's That Stepped In To Help, & Pull My Slack!!,,,,,,,,You Handled It Perfectly, & It Look's Like You Have Learnt Alot!!!!,,,,,,,,Yes This Is A Fun Bug To Have!!!!,,,,,,,,Best Of Luck My Brother!!!!:pimp::pimp::pimp::pimp:

[McDanger]

It is 32 days in 12/12, actually 13/11(thanks Opie). She looks to be doing good, not much growth lately. I have just been watering with dehumid water with 1tsp molasses and cal-mag+ since I still have some of the bigger fans yellowing and getting necrotic spots. Also trying to hermie one of the small lower branches by putting a bag over it for a few hour per day during lights on.
I think I killed a bunch of the clones yesterday, I shut off the pump to adjust the pH and forgot to turn it back on till last nite. I think a couple will come back but I think I killed 6 or 7.

[anbesol]

sorry about the clones. Your plant looks beautiful though!

You can try super cropping during flowering to try to hermie the plants. the best thing to do is get that plant more hours of light during flowering to hermie. not less. Why are you trying to hermie the plant? its bagseed right? why do you want seeds? when you can just clone. plus if you hermie the plant you may get hermie seeds as well. if you ever want to do breading you should never use a plant that is hermied or feminized seeds, it just fucks up the genetics of cannabis and leads to low end weed. your also going to pollinated your other plant to if you hermie just one. (just my thought)

[Opie Yutts]

McDanger your plants look like they're coming along nicely. I don't see much of the yellowing you talk about, but it's perfectly normal during flowering. Sometimes nearly all the leaves die and fall off before harvest, sometimes hardly any do.

The good thing about nearly killing a bunch of clones is that you find out which are the strongest.

[McDanger]

Thanks for stopping by Anbesol, I value your opinion. I was thinking of just hermying 1or2 small lower branches for the seed since this was from some really good smoke. I am going on an extended vacation in Feb. so I will have to complete everything by then (I have relatives watching the house). So I wanted to have some seeds to restart after I get back. Although I just ordered some California Orange and the special mix from Nirvana. I'll save them for the March 09 crop.

Opie, the yellowing is not in the bud pics. It is just on a few of the bigger fan leaves low down on the plant. I don't think it is a big problem but it doesn't look natural. They don't look like they are gradually dying from the plant using them up, they get spotting that spreads to the whole leaf. I'll take some pics of it tommorrow.:smokin:

[McDanger]

Here are a couple pics of the fans that are slowly dying, naturally or otherwise.
I watered today, 1/2 gal 6.2pH, with 5ml cal-mag, 10ml gh bloom, 1tsp molasses,5ml liquid Karma. Other than the few fan leaves the plant looks good.

[italian04]

i dont get the molasses part. what is that actually?

[McDanger]

It gives the plant sugar and carbohydrates, so the plant does not have to spend it energy creating them. Helps with the buds:D

[hydrocannabis]

I'll say. nice garden bro.

[McDanger]

Thanks for stoppin Hydro. Hopefully someday I can have as many crops goin as you do.
I just took 4 of my clones to my cabin and put them outside. I won't be back there for about 6weeks, so we'll see how they do on there own. I fenced them so they don't get eaten by the deer. They get good sun and are on a high spot in the swamp so they should be ok on moisture, we'll see.:D
No new pics yet because I don't see much new growth, the buds look to be puttin on some weight tho.:smokin:
I'll get some new pics in the next day or 2.

[McDanger]

here are a few new pics. I think the auto focus was on the leaves so the bud shots may not be the best. I have to start turning the fan off before I snap pics. the last pic is from 7/20 for comparison.
More clones are finally starting to root.
What are your expert opinions on light or dark to get clones to root. I seem to have better luck getting roots if I keep the lights off most of the time. Otherwise I get veg growth but no roots. At least they don't die. I have rooted clones in the same room so I leave the lights (8-23w cfl's) on them until the lights come on in the flower room then I move them in there and shut the lights off in the veg room. They seem to like that.
Cheers for now.

[SunnyD]

That mum is beastin...

[McDanger]

time for another little update. Mom is bulking up nicely. Today I transplanted 2 clones. Man they are growing fast, I cut them 7/9 and they are about a foot tall now. I tried to fim them yesterday, we'll see if it was a fim or a top. Moved them into the flower room today. The rest of my clones (15) that were cut on different days are mostly starting to root finally, some have been in the cloner for 4 weeks, they just would not root until I took the light away, and put a dome over them. They still got light from the room, but not much. They should all be ready to go into the dirt in another week.
Just got a 6" cooltube off ebay for $65 delivered, and a 1000w ballast for $125 delivered.(still waiting on the ballast), so I can fill up the flower room once I veg the clones for a little bit.
Thats it for today, I'll have more pics in a day or 2.:D

[hydrocannabis]

that is for sure a big beast. :thumbsup:

[McDanger]

Time for another update, even tho I think they are getting too close together. Clones are rooting very well and will go into the dirt later this week.
2 clones that were cut on 7/9 are showing preflowers today(2 days 12/12) and doing great.
Mom is till bulking up, she is on day 46 of 12/12 I think, trichs are all still clear, so I'll just keep watchin them. Other than that I don't see much growth, but that could be cuz I look at em too much and just don't see it.:D
Till next time:S5::jumphappy:

[SunnyD]

Look at that mums trunk! Daaaaaaaaang

[jakezking]

McDanger, that mom is flippin' fantastic! I can see why you wanted to get some seeds off her, especially since you are having to shut your grow down completely for a bit, which I hate to hear. All of your plants look great! I don't have an answer for you on the burn spots on your leaves - don't have that well-trained of an eye just yet. Have you started a thread in the plant problems section of the board? That may be the best way to catch a knowledgeable grower's attention.

I'm looking forward to hearing about the progress of your beans. From what plant did you get the pollen? I'm also looking forward to hearing how your cabin grow is going, and of course a final weight and smoke of that mom! Keep up the outstanding work, my friend!

[stinkyattic]

McD- on the subject of clones- my fastest rooting EVER was under a single 'Ott' flourescent light- very blue- and more than a foot from the clone dome, on 24/0.
Constant, fairly dim, blue light, and constant temps.
Nice work man!

[McDanger]

Only 1 pic turned out today so here it is.
Harvest in about a week. trichs are 40% cloudy.
more info next update:D

[Shovelhandle]

Alrighty, now it's getting real good! More pics, please!

Sho

[McDanger]

Thanks for checking in Sho. As of today it looks like I got mostly cloudy trichs, with just a few going amber. Used just dehumid water with molasses 2 days ago. Buds look like I sprinkled sugar on the plant.
One question I have if anybody has an answer. The leaves are not really yellowing at all but they do dry out and feel like sandpaper, why??? I cut a bunch of them off since they felt dried out and it let more light lower down the plant, lower buds seem to like it.

I think I may start a new log with the clones after harvest. The clones have been on 12/12 for 15 days I think and have bud sites everywhere. I am going to scrog them after the mom is done.
1st pic is the 2 clones, the rest are mom. HPS is on so they look yellow, sorry:cool:

[hydrocannabis]

wow wow wow wow. they look great. oooooooooooooow

[McDanger]

OK today I gave her 1gal ph adjusted to 6.8 with 10ml florakleen. Still not many amber trichs, so watching day to day. I hope harvest comes soon, the clones are doing thier stretch and getting close to the light. Tem gets to 86 at canopy, but no heat stress yet.
Question, The clones are in 1gal pots now, but will be using scrog after mom harvest so I will only have 1 more transplant, what size pot should I go to?

[hatch]

Say Bro,,Freaking Rocking Right Along!!!,,,I'll Have To Go Back In Your Thread & Find Out Why You Stopped Running The Aeroponic's?????,,,,Your Doing A Great Job,,With What You Are Growing In Now!!!!,,,,Your Bud's Are Getting Very Dank!!!!,,,,,,,,Best Of Luck!!!!:rasta::rasta::rasta:

[McDanger]

Say Bro,,Freaking Rocking Right Along!!!,,,I'll Have To Go Back In Your Thread & Find Out Why You Stopped Running The Aeroponic's?????,,,,Your Doing A Great Job,,With What You Are Growing In Now!!!!,,,,Your Bud's Are Getting Very Dank!!!!,,,,,,,,Best Of Luck!!!!:rasta::rasta::rasta:
Thanks Hatch, I still have the aero system, but it was taking up too much room. And with huntin season coming up my wife does not want too much work, so I'll just mix up 5gal of nutes for soil and all she has to do is water. No pH adjusting or messing with the res. I was 2 setups at the same time and it was too much. It worked great for the clones though.
Should be harvesting later this week, will update then.

[inbud]

Your Mom looks GREAT! What are you looking for in the trichs for harvest? Are you going for a more amber to cloudy? or more cloudy to amber? Again...GREAT looking pics, thanks.

[McDanger]

Your Mom looks GREAT! What are you looking for in the trichs for harvest? Are you going for a more amber to cloudy? or more cloudy to amber? Again...GREAT looking pics, thanks.
Good to see you again inbud,
I want them mostly cloudy with about 20% amber. Then we'll see how it smokes and adjust if needed for the clone crop. Only a few amber right now.
I'll post an update this weekend.

[McDanger]

3 days ago I cut a small popcorn bud off the bottom of the mom and stuck it in a drawer. Today I took 2 hits from it, and what a good buzz I got without knocking me out. So I figured I didn't want any more couchlock than that and chopped her today. Amber trichs are about 10-15%. I did a small amount of trimming and my scissors are black. The wet weight right now is 575grams, but that has stem weight in there and needs more trimming but WOW:D.
I am going to start a new log for the clones called Elmo's clone grow (you'll see why if you go there.)
There is hardly any smell to it, not skunky at all:( and the taste is hard to describe. I'll have to think on it to get a description for ya.:stoned:

[jakezking]

Looks like you have some sweet results there, McDanger! Your mom plant was a true MILF, my friend - her looks made me weak in the knees, as I'm sure her smoke will make you. Congratulations on a fine grow, and I look forward to Elmo's clone thread.

Good luck with huntin' season - help keep some of those deer off the highways! Be good out there, my friend!

[McDanger]

Looks like you have some sweet results there, McDanger! Your mom plant was a true MILF, my friend - her looks made me weak in the knees, as I'm sure her smoke will make you. Congratulations on a fine grow, and I look forward to Elmo's clone thread.

Good luck with huntin' season - help keep some of those deer off the highways! Be good out there, my friend!
Welcome back, and thanks. I hope all is well with you. Thought I read you were having some problems, or were you just busy. Best of luck either way:thumbsup:
Can't wait till next weekend to start huntin. And I can check on the plants I took out there last month, hope they started to flower.
Keep in touch, and I will update after some drying time.
I put a link to the new grow in my siggy.

[McDanger]

Hi all. Sorry it has taken so long for this update, I've been busy.
Well the final weight came in at just under 4oz of bud that could have been trimmed better, but even with a good trim it would still be over 3oz, I am very happy with that.
The smoke is just ok. It is better than the original bag seed, but has a different
body buzz. My breathing and heartbeat increase after only 2 hits, then it turns into a very mellow buzz. Taste is just ok, and I can't really describe it.

I also have some pics of the plants that were moved outside, 2 are turning purple, this is great since I have 5 clones from her vegging now. They are leggy and I think it is the strain since I have them under a 250w mh and they grow right into the light.
From here on posts will be in the Elmo log.
Enjoy:smokin::stoned: