harsh chestyness from volcano

[oliwog]

hi there people i own a volcano and do between 4 and 10 a day usually with about half a gram each time, im an all day toker.
ive been using this for about a year an a half now and is the only way i smoke besides the ocasional bong.
over the past few months ive noticed that when i smoke more volcanoes say over 4 i start to get a slight tightness an almost like a chesty cough kinda like a smoking cough jus not as bad( i dont cough much an nothing comes up)
this goes away by the morning but depending how much i vape usually comes back by the evening/ afternoon time
if im working its not so bad cos i dont vape so much as im at work, but im not working at the moment so am vaping instead.
if i dont vape i dont get any chestyness.
i find that turning the temp down a bit helps a lil bit but not much or turning it up a bit to 6 makes it worse.
i keep mine on setting 5 or 180c

i was wondering if anyone else gets the same problem
let me know please

if you have another vap thats not a volcano but is still as good and you get it then let me know to.
or any views an opinions would be appreciated preferably only if you have a vap of some sort.

[Hazeus]

Do you think it's the vaporizer or the stimulant effects of cannabis at work that would cause tightness in your chest? I do not own a Volcano, though I have smoked from a vaporizer before and experienced some vigorous tussi after a lengthy rip. I'm pretty sure cannabis has the capacity to increase both blood pressure and heart rate which could explain your situation. I'd say...just reduce the dosage a little bit and see what happens.

[oliwog]

yea id say its deffinatly the volcano and not he actual high
ive been tokin for a bout 10 years an only had this on the volcano
i used to do a lot of bongs aswell 10-20 a day an never had it then
i dont think reducing the dosage would help, it would deffinatly work but i would end up doin more volcanoes to get jus as stoned
so would end up goin round in circles.
im wondering mainly if its anything i should be worried about, its probably not anything major jus a bit of irritation but it would be good to know for sure, as if others who use the volc get the same after a lot of vapeing then then its probably jus a common side affect you could say.
whereas if no ones ever had this before after a lot of vaping then maybe i should get it checked out

[painretreat]

I don't know what your health situation is, or what you medically use for: But, it sounds like it needs a lot of medication. And an erb, however, effective; Can mask (hide) the symptoms of other things. Take you vital signs-temp too! If they are normal (which has been known to happen when things are being treated, you didn't know you had), then, if you feel well, wait until you get this data and do as yo planned.

All the above advice is good and you need to consider it (however, I think u said you did try decreasing the dose). If it is the volcano-I'll buy it! lol--laughs aside, I hope it works out well for you. Did you happen to switch type of vape erb lately? Or a brief change from an Indica to Sativa and back? Lots of things to consider! I suppose you grow your own? If so, use a different batch and see if the one you are using might have something the eye can't see? It may re-act with you and not others! Hope you are better and get it fixed!:hippy:

[smokeweed420]

ive had a similar situation while using my volcanoe, ive read that it could have something to do with the actuall heating element the volcanoe uses which is said to be aluminum.. when the aluminum is heated alot it emits a harmful toxin in which the user would inhale... so i went ahead and traded it for a vaporfection stealth which uses a glass heating element, it is much cleaner, tastier, and alot safer.

[vapefiend]

ive read that it could have something to do with the actuall heating element the volcanoe uses which is said to be aluminum.. when the aluminum is heated alot it emits a harmful toxin in which the user would inhale... Absolutely, positively NOT TRUE.


vaporfection stealth which uses a glass heating element, it is much cleaner, tastier, and alot safer. How do you know it's safer? Just because the heater is glass? The construction materials of the heater aren't as important as the vapor path, and the Vaporfection doesn't have an all glass vapor path.

Comparing, safety wise, to the Volcano is a moot point anyway, since the 'cano is not an unsafe device.

If any vapes should be questioned, safety wise, it's all the cheap digital, made in China, no warranty vapes. For one thing, they're certainly not spending an extra nickel to avoid using components containing lead.

Although vapor is much kinder to the throat and lungs than smoke, you can't consume large quantities of vapor on a daily basis and not expect it to affect your lungs.

[smokeweed420]

Absolutely, positively NOT TRUE.

How do you know it's safer? Just because the heater is glass? The construction materials of the heater aren't as important as the vapor path, and the Vaporfection doesn't have an all glass vapor path.

Comparing, safety wise, to the Volcano is a moot point anyway, since the 'cano is not an unsafe device.

If any vapes should be questioned, safety wise, it's all the cheap digital, made in China, no warranty vapes. For one thing, they're certainly not spending an extra nickel to avoid using components containing lead.

Although vapor is much kinder to the throat and lungs than smoke, you can't consume large quantities of vapor on a daily basis and not expect it to affect your lungs.
right off the vaporfection website- Glass heating element - Better than quartz and ceramic elements! The first vaporizer with glass on glass on glass technology! This provides a pure, rich tastier aroma vapor without the use of diluted vapor from a balloon vaporizer system. Our glass element also provides better efficiency because this is a real heating element and not a light bulb!

[smokeweed420]

im almost positive the volcano has an aluminum heating element in it, this is what creates all of the heat for the path of the vapor........ what is inhaled..

[vapefiend]

right off the vaporfection website- Glass heating element - Better than quartz and ceramic elements! The first vaporizer with glass on glass on glass technology! This provides a pure, rich tastier aroma vapor without the use of diluted vapor from a balloon vaporizer system. Our glass element also provides better efficiency because this is a real heating element and not a light bulb!I know it's glass. My point was that what the heater is made of isn't as important as what's in the vapor path and what those components and materials are made of. That's what I'd worry about with a 'made in China' box vape. And of course they say their heater is the best. That's just good marketing. I can also tell you that some of these heaters have failed. Warranty repair sure. But you still have to pay shipping and if you're not in the US that gets expensive. New technology can have its drawbacks and proven reliability has its pluses. I'm not saying the Vaporfection isn't a good vape. I've recommended it myself where someone was interested in a high end digital model. It sure beats the 'no parts warranty' Vapezilla.


im almost positive the volcano has an aluminum heating element in it, this is what creates all of the heat for the path of the vapor........ what is inhaled.. I wasn't saying it wasn't aluminum. I was saying that aluminum off gassing at these low temps is a myth.

"Does the aluminium heating block emit any substances which are subsequently inhaled by the user?

No. the top temperature reached in the heating block 240°C (464°F) is by far below the temperature that is needed to emit any substances out of the aluminium alloy AlMgSi, melting point 660°C (1220°F); boiling point 2519°C (4566°F) used by us. This is documented by an analysis of the air produced by the Volcano on top temperature made by the University of Leiden, Netherlands."

VOLCANO Vaporizer - Frequently asked questions (http://www.storz-bickel.com/vaporizer/vaporizing-frequently-asked-questions.html)

Disclaimer: I don't own a Volcano. Never have, and don't have any interest in ever buying one. ;)

[oliwog]

right off the vaporfection website- Glass heating element - Better than quartz and ceramic elements! The first vaporizer with glass on glass on glass technology! This provides a pure, rich tastier aroma vapor without the use of diluted vapor from a balloon vaporizer system. Our glass element also provides better efficiency because this is a real heating element and not a light bulb!

alright then the volcano has an aluminium heating block inside ive taken mine apart so am 100% sure
this only gives off toxic fumes or any fumes or toxins at around 650c and melts at around 1100c so its got nothing to do with the heat element
the idea that glass is better may be slightly true but i think youl find that the statement above whilst true is more of an advertising technique especially when comparing it to other high end vaporizers like the volcano, as every manufacturer states theirs is the best for whatever reasons.

[smokeweed420]

"Ceramic heating elements are toxin free vs the aluminum heating elements. Ceramic heating elements are a must, majority of the best vaporizers on the market are using aluminum. Be aware of this when looking for the best vaporizers. Notice how alloy resistance wires will always state that it reduces outgassing due to the metals used to formulate that specific alloy restsitance wire. The keyword is "reduces", which means it still outgasses dangerous toxins. Many manufacturers make false claims of how there aluminum heating element is safe. We have had into depth conversations with many manufacturers and they are very ignorant to change, stating that their element is free of these aluminum toxin pitfalls. When purchasing you next marijuana vaporizer make sure to purchase one with a ceramic heating element."

[smokeweed420]

"Many herbal vaporizer manufacturers tend to use plastic parts for there vaporization tools. Plastic over time will emit lethal toxins in which we inhale. Plastic is not recommended in vaporization systems unless it is away from the heated stream of air. Many marijuana vaporizers including Vapir and Volcano both use plastic parts directly in the inhalation chamber. Weed Vaporizer manufacturers use plastic due to the cost when compared to borosilicate glass. A few glass vaporizer manufacturers use borosilicate glass which is more significant in cost, but allows a more health conscience design. Stay away from cheap vaporizer manufacturers with plastic chassis, over time they will warp and become less efficient while releasing toxins for you to inhale."

[vapefiend]

"Ceramic heating elements are toxin free vs the aluminum heating elements. Ceramic heating elements are a must, majority of the best vaporizers on the market are using aluminum. Be aware of this when looking for the best vaporizers. Notice how alloy resistance wires will always state that it reduces outgassing due to the metals used to formulate that specific alloy restsitance wire. The keyword is "reduces", which means it still outgasses dangerous toxins. Many manufacturers make false claims of how there aluminum heating element is safe. We have had into depth conversations with many manufacturers and they are very ignorant to change, stating that their element is free of these aluminum toxin pitfalls. When purchasing you next marijuana vaporizer make sure to purchase one with a ceramic heating element."Who are you quoting?

"majority of the best vaporizers on the market are using aluminum" That is simply not true. None of the quality vapes are using aluminum elements anymore because they don't last. Ceramic elements are being used in quality vapes for longevity, and all ceramic elements aren't created equal either. And if a majority of the best vaporizers are using aluminum, how could anyone say they're among the best? Wanna provide a name of a vape that uses an aluminum element? Just one? Cheap, made in China vapes don't qualify. And sorry, but the Volcano doesn't qualify either.

The Volcano uses an aluminum block as a heat exchanger, not the heating element. And I'll say it again. Aluminum, at vaping temps, is not a safety issue.

"Does the aluminium heating block emit any substances which are subsequently inhaled by the user?

No. the top temperature reached in the heating block 240°C (464°F) is by far below the temperature that is needed to emit any substances out of the aluminium alloy AlMgSi, melting point 660°C (1220°F); boiling point 2519°C (4566°F) used by us. This is documented by an analysis of the air produced by the Volcano on top temperature made by the University of Leiden, Netherlands."

VOLCANO Vaporizer - Frequently asked questions (http://www.storz-bickel.com/vaporizer/vaporizing-frequently-asked-questions.html#gruppe-02-06)

Maybe you'd like to contact the University of Leiden, and tell them Storz & Bickel is using their name to falsely claim the Volcano is safe. :wtf:

There are plenty of vaporization myths going around the web. Get your facts straight before you jump on the 'scare tactics bandwagon'.

[smokeweed420]

THE VOLCANO!!!!!!!!!!

[smokeweed420]

"Many herbal vaporizer manufacturers tend to use plastic parts for there vaporization tools. Plastic over time will emit lethal toxins in which we inhale. Plastic is not recommended in vaporization systems unless it is away from the heated stream of air. Many marijuana vaporizers including Vapir and Volcano both use plastic parts directly in the inhalation chamber. Weed Vaporizer manufacturers use plastic due to the cost when compared to borosilicate glass. A few glass vaporizer manufacturers use borosilicate glass which is more significant in cost, but allows a more health conscience design. Stay away from cheap vaporizer manufacturers with plastic chassis, over time they will warp and become less efficient while releasing toxins for you to inhale."

[smokeweed420]

"Ceramic heating elements are toxin free vs the aluminum heating elements. Ceramic heating elements are a must, majority of the best vaporizers on the market are using aluminum. Be aware of this when looking for the best vaporizers. Notice how alloy resistance wires will always state that it reduces outgassing due to the metals used to formulate that specific alloy restsitance wire. The keyword is "reduces", which means it still outgasses dangerous toxins. Many manufacturers make false claims of how there aluminum heating element is safe. We have had into depth conversations with many manufacturers and they are very ignorant to change, stating that their element is free of these aluminum toxin pitfalls. When purchasing you next marijuana vaporizer make sure to purchase one with a ceramic heating element."

THE VOLCANO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[smokeweed420]

i bet you have never owned one...... there not as good as there made out to be.. deffintly not made out of the best matirials, i used to call mine the weed insinerator because it was not efficient at all...... sure it fills up a bag, not that sweet, it dosent taste soooo good, and its mostly air.... it is deffintly not the best vaporizer on the market, although it is one of the most expensive......................................... ..............................

F***K CANOE'S
haha

[TurnyBright]

I've never used a Volcano, but a friend of mine has a VaporBrothers and whenever I use that, I do notice a strange sensation in my chest while I hold it in, like the tightness you described. I think it is probably just the sensation of having my lungs full of something other than air (that isnt smoke).

[vapefiend]

i bet you have never owned one...... there not as good as there made out to be.. deffintly not made out of the best matirials, i used to call mine the weed insinerator because it was not efficient at all...... sure it fills up a bag, not that sweet, it dosent taste soooo good, and its mostly air.... it is deffintly not the best vaporizer on the market, although it is one of the most expensive......................................... ..............................

F***K CANOE'S
haha


I'm still having trouble getting your point friend. It's customary to post a link when you quote a source. Are you still maintaining that the 'cano has an aluminum heating element that's dangerous? And that any ceramic element is high quality? You certainly haven't posted anything to change my mind. :wtf:

I'm not a Volcano fan by any means. If I won a brand new 'cano in a giveaway, I'd sell it. But that doesn't mean I don't think it's high quality. It is. You're welcome to your opinion, but it would have more meaning to those reading it if you were more clear in your statements. And personal preference does come into play with vaporizers, big time.

[PottyBear]

"Ceramic heating elements are toxin free vs the aluminum heating elements. Ceramic heating elements are a must, majority of the best vaporizers on the market are using aluminum. Be aware of this when looking for the best vaporizers. Notice how alloy resistance wires will always state that it reduces outgassing due to the metals used to formulate that specific alloy restsitance wire. The keyword is "reduces", which means it still outgasses dangerous toxins. Many manufacturers make false claims of how there aluminum heating element is safe. We have had into depth conversations with many manufacturers and they are very ignorant to change, stating that their element is free of these aluminum toxin pitfalls. When purchasing you next marijuana vaporizer make sure to purchase one with a ceramic heating element."

THE VOLCANO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow.

Seriously, if any of you has some swampland in Florida to offload, I think you found your guy. All you have to do is tell him it is awesome land and he will believe you and buy it in a heartbeat. :thumbsup:

Also, I am sure he forwards emails that say "Send this to 100 friends and Bill Gates will send you tickets to Disney World"... so don't contact him via email. :D

Honestly, that's pretty gullible, man. :what:

[smokeweed420]

hahahahahahah

[smokeweed420]

no, i just got rid of the weak ass volcano for a vaporfection...
the cano tasted like stale air,
my vaporfect gives me full rich bong hit sized vapor rips

im a happy man

[vapefiend]

the cano tasted like stale air,
my vaporfect gives me full rich bong hit sized vapor ripsYeah, the diluted vapor you get with bags is effective but not satisfying. A whip vape makes for a more enjoyable vapor experience.

[smokeweed420]

so you really dont think the heating element used in vaporizers is a big concideration when purchasing a quality vape, i was thinking becaue of the diversity of heaters used in several vapes there must be something to it.......................

[smokeweed420]

so whats the deal with those small amount of toxins in the volcano bag that were found doing studies on that particular vaporizer???

[daihashi]

so whats the deal with those small amount of toxins in the volcano bag that were found doing studies on that particular vaporizer???

dude.. what are you talking about. You've yet to source where you got that information and without reading the article in it's entirety it is difficult to say anything one way or the other.

[daihashi]

dude.. what are you talking about. You've yet to source where you got that information and without reading the article in it's entirety it is difficult to say anything one way or the other.

Also.. as others have said the melting point for aluminum is 1218 degrees and it off gases around 600-700 degrees.

The plastic parts used in the volcano is a hard plastic similar to those found in car engine bays which are meant to withstand very high temperatures.

You can find all the information supporting this through a simple google search. I found more information supporting this than I did find to support your claims. Furthermore any evidence or articles from ANY company that also produces vaporizers or other goods should be taken with a grain of salt. If they offer glass or ceramic then naturally they will try to downplay aluminum and make it seem bad.

They are not lying to you, but they are not telling the truth either.

[smokeweed420]

ive read scientific studies suggeting that there is THC in the bag of a volcano, but also along with small percents of unwanted toxins......
im not lieing just reading

[smokeweed420]

Alright..

Study Shows Vaporizer Can Drastically Reduce Toxins in Marijuana Smoke
California NORML/MAPS Press Release
May 2, 2003
________________________________________

"The new study used a gas chromatograph mass spectrometer (GCMS) to examine the gas components of the vapor. The analysis showed that the Volcano® vapor was remarkably clean, consisting 95% of THC with traces of cannabinol (CBN), another cannabinoid. The remaining 5% consisted of small amounts of three other components: one suspected cannabinoid relative, one suspected PAH, and caryophyllene, a fragrant oil in cannabis and other plants. "

[smokeweed420]

is that 5% small percent from the volcano, or just vaporizing in general??

[daihashi]

is that 5% small percent from the volcano, or just vaporizing in general??

I think all bag systems of similar quality to the volcano probably produce those numbers.

[ivbvapor]

I know it's glass. My point was that what the heater is made of isn't as important as what's in the vapor path and what those components and materials are made of.

total nonsense! it is IN FACT a glass heating element within another glass tube. that tube connects directly to the whip.

[ivbvapor]

ive read scientific studies suggeting that there is THC in the bag of a volcano, but also along with small percents of unwanted toxins......
im not lieing just reading

its a goddamn turkey bag!

[leadmagnet]

"The turkey baggers"? Lol. I'm going to use that one!

[lwien123]

its a goddamn turkey bag!

Yeah it is. Cook the goddamn turkey in the bag first BEFORE using it on the 'Cano. Get that bag caked up with dried up turkey juices and vape that motha.

You'll be a hit at Thanksgiving. :thumbsup: Hell, you can even add a bit of zest by smearing the inside of the bag with melted marshmallows and yams. But be careful. The vapor may get kinda thick.

[BuzzBob]

so you really dont think the heating element used in vaporizers is a big concideration when purchasing a quality vape, i was thinking becaue of the diversity of heaters used in several vapes there must be something to it.......................

Nah, I personally don't think it's that big a deal. For one, the temperature is too low to worry about ions and outgassing. For another, compare it to the truly poisonous alternative of smoking. Once you're off smoking and on to vaporizing, the heating element becomes a question of thousands of an inch. Sure, a ceramic heater is probably better... by 17/1000s of an inch. :)