REALLY?!?! still.....!?!?!

[SnSstealth]

seriously?...what the hell man...no nutes added...started in LOW nute seed starter...transplanted to FFoF...tap is 6.7 runoff 6.8-6.9...temp 79 humidity 60%...no pests..and 2 of the plants have almost NO issues...others, (church) look like almost all the leaves are yellowing...please, someone...what the hell is going on here? could the portable AC be doing anything? this happened last time...but those seeds started in FFoF...these are still growing though...they didnt fry like the second go....help!!
whiskeytango

[hatch]

You Know I Don't Play In The Dirt!!!!.........But I Hate To See You Having Trouble!!!!

Is It Maybe The Dirt???....Or Something In It?????......Or Something Not In It?????

They Look Like They Are Lacking Nitrogen To Me?????


This Look's Like A Job For """````WeedHound & The Stinky Show```"""


Best Of Luck, & I Hope It's Nothing Serious, Just A Ajustment!!!!!:rastasmoke:

[HBcubs2]

i would say it may be the portable AC i have regular house plants and when they get to close to the AC front or back they get all sickly looking my ficus almost died from sitting near the AC... also have you tried the actual ph balance of the soil itself? or is there a possability your over watering?

[SnSstealth]

A/C is the only thing i think it can be....wouldnt think any nute def since they just got transplanted into FFoF....dunno man.........whiskeytang0

[the image reaper]

you're over-watering ... that's the classic 'look', anyway ... I gotta add, that I stopped using FF Ocean Forest after a couple tries, it was just too rich for my young ones, trashed them :wtf: ... older transplants did fine in it ... others have great luck with it, I suspect strain may make a difference, don't know for sure ... consider that, but watering is your main issue, make sure the plant goes thru 'dry' and 'wet' cycles ... the plant takes up nutrients as it is drying, and needs the oxygen to the roots, can't drown ... :thumbsup:

[stinkyattic]

Too cold + Too wet + Too acidic= exact symptom set you are seeing.

Check your runoff pH, get your temps between 75 and 82, lay off the watering, and spray them NOW NOW NOW NOW with a 1/4 strength foliar feed of your micronute supplement. That potassium deficiency (brown spotting near veins) is going to kill them in those wet conditions; K is the element most important to immune health in plants.

[SnSstealth]

image...stinks...thanks!!! going to see em now and fix that stuff....
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Hmm.....not having any issues like that at all with mine Stealth.....transplanted them like you into FFOF and they're doing great.

What lighting are they under.....just curious?

[SnSstealth]

Hmm.....not having any issues like that at all with mine Stealth.....transplanted them like you into FFOF and they're doing great.

What lighting are they under.....just curious?


actually, lol...the SNLxNH that are in the other room by themselves to be scrogged are doing GREAT...thinkin AC might be too cold and dry in this room? no portable AC in other room, or in the first LED grow....last 2 have had this issue it seems....already let the temp back up to around 80, LIGHT foliar feeding...misting occasionally to get the humidity up a lil more....still got vert growth though..fuckin confusing shit....really getting over this whole LED thing guys....:wtf:
:joint1:
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Is it blowing right on them? Otherwise....temps are up and humidity is up.....AC should lower both......

When I grew the church it was FUSSY AS HELL in veg.....I almost yanked it cause it looked so bad.....then bounced back great in flower.

[SnSstealth]

lol...the church is struggling...the AC is keeping 76-78, but humidity kepps getting under 50%...i think they will all make it...just fighting me:greenthumb:
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

ok...i guess they arent getting worse...but are they getting better? temps up to 80...let em get DRY then watered them with their first nutes yesterday afternoon...humidity is at around 50-60..and ph runoff was 6.9...maybe the 24/0 cycle with these LEDs? too much? dunno man,..this shit is getting old...lol
whiskeytango

[GreenLeaf420]

CHURCH is very very Temperamental to NUTES in the beginning. After 2 months you can throw anything @ them.

I figured that out the hard way!!!!

That FFOF Is some-------- Well I should not say it-----so I have had terrible luck with it. I spoke with the head of Hydro Farm a Women Kathy (NUTE LOCK OUT) big issues with the soil and growers always assume that it is a deficiency. I had a brochure I have to find and it states this. Use the FF Nutes solutions in other soils then theirs but for those that don't want to add nutrients use the FF soil line. That was a FF flier I was reading @ the HYDRO shop...

In My Experience I just did not have any Luck with FF soils... Your other plants are doing well they have to handle Nutrients better then the church...

Good Luck GL

You will get it under control. When I put the church in the FFOF it looked exactly the same.... Took about 2-3 weeks to fully turn around back to Green...

[SnSstealth]

thanks GL! I am SOOOO over this...think I am done with the FFoF...I just cant get them to bounce back all the way!...but they still growing at least:jointsmile:
whiskeytango

the pic with the temp in it is the church

[stinkyattic]

They still look too wet. If you ever do use FFOF again, knowing that you run cool and water heavily, add perlite. It is good for BOTH conditions.

[SnSstealth]

thanks stinks!! should i let them dry out more then before watering? they were dry to about 1/4in down before i watered....
WT

[stinkyattic]

That's not dry enough. You have to gauge by picking up the pot and feeling its weight- usually if you feel a light pot that actually needs water, it will be dry nearly a full finger length. I'd drill 1/2" holes in the SIDES of those pots if you are having a difficult time getting them to use water fast enough in your conditions, since it's too late to add perlite. They are locked out and stunted because the roots are suffocating.

[SnSstealth]

yes ma'am:thumbsup: thanks1
WT

[TheMetal1]

they were dry to about 1/4in down before i watered....
WT

I'm no expert, but if only 1/4 inch of the soil is dry, that leaves a lot of moist soil remaining in the container. Well, unless your container is only 1" deep :jointsmile:. I believe the purpose of drying the majority of the soil out, is to encourage the roots to grow in search of fresh water. So, when they say "wet/dry cycle," it really means wet them FULLY... and dry them until they are practically BEGGING for water. I've read people watering when it is dry down to their first or second knuckle, but depending on the container size that may not be an adequate indicator. It also seems to be a major disruption of the soil environment (at least when my sausage fingers did it :rasta:). Weight will be a very good indicator, and as the containers become larger the weight difference will be easier to recognize.
Hope that helps!
Stay :D and Keep :jointsmile:

Edit: Always a day late and a dollar short... haha :jointsmile:
At least I didn't say the exact opposite of what Stinky suggested. :thumbsup: Which would be hard considering I base much of my advice on what I have read from her tutorials and Sticky's... because... well... HER SHIT WORKS!!

[SnSstealth]

thanks metal! makes sense......:greenthumb:
whiskeytango

[Dutch Pimp]

I cheat...I use a moisture meter probe....(it's longer and thinner than my finger)...goes all the way down on a 10 inch pot...and tells me "wet/normal/dry"...I water when it says "dry"...:thumbsup:


...plus, I don't like getting my fingernails dirty...:postexcuseme:

[stinkyattic]

I believe the purpose of drying the majority of the soil out, is to encourage the roots to grow in search of fresh water. So, when they say "wet/dry cycle," it really means wet them FULLY... and dry them until they are practically BEGGING for water. This is true, and there is one more reason, which is that as the water recedes, air is sucked in to replace it, bringing much-needed oxygen to the root zone. Without oxygen, you get what is termed 'reducing conditions' in nerd land (a place from which I have many visa stamps on my passport hahaha), and soil chemistry becomes unfit for plant life, and only certain anaerobic bacteria can survive there.

[SnSstealth]

This is true, and there is one more reason, which is that as the water recedes, air is sucked in to replace it, bringing much-needed oxygen to the root zone. Without oxygen, you get what is termed 'reducing conditions' in nerd land (a place from which I have many visa stamps on my passport hahaha), and soil chemistry becomes unfit for plant life, and only certain anaerobic bacteria can survive there.

thanks!!! now I "get" the wet/dry cycle thing...Damn I need to update my styles...lol, I have always watered after second knuckle went in dry....at least that seems to be my problem, and not something worse....yippee....thats what i got stinks and them for...to keep me in line;)
:joint1:
whiskeytango

[TheMetal1]

...plus, I don't like getting my fingernails dirty...:postexcuseme:

Now that's Pimpin'... since Pimpin'... since Pimpin'... since Pimpin... :jointsmile:

Is it one of those Rapitest Mini Moisture Meters? (say that shit 10x backwards) I got one for like $5-10 and it doesn't work well. I tried it out on my outdoor potted tomato plants (really tomatoes, not code), which had just gone through a rain storm so they were completely saturated, and it barely registered. I didn't bother using it with my indoor plants, because I'm comfortable with recognizing when they need water now. Do they actually measure the moisture in the soil, or is it based on density? I would imagine that heavily watered soil would have greater density, pushing in on the probe, making it register WET. Likewise, dry soil would be lighter, creating less pressure on the probe.

[SnSstealth]

i got a moisture meter for this reason too1!! and it also sucks balls....dry old balls...my shit was soaked and barely registered too....fuck it...i get it now, I can judge by weight of pot....heh....weight of pot!!!
bong
whiskeytango

[Dutch Pimp]

My moisture meter says "Made In China"....but it jives with "pick up the pot and feel the the weight" method...never hurts to double check...:thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

I'm with Pimp on this (ok....not literally...:D) I believe I got so frustrated with my shitty soil moisture meter that I put it under the wheels of my truck and ran over it several times.

Seemed to work a bit better after that.........:wtf:

[SnSstealth]

image....stinky...metal even...thanks guys, It takes a second eye for me to catch simple shit sometimes...trying to do alot o shit right now...so thanks again for tolerating my ADHD noobness:jointsmile::thumbsup:

problem solved!:joint1:
whiskeytango

temp pic is the church...great recovery!!

[slater]

ffof is to rich for that strain ...some strains can handle stronger nutes than others...the image reaper hit it on the head, but i couldnt figure out the quote

[SnSstealth]

you're over-watering ... that's the classic 'look', anyway ... I gotta add, that I stopped using FF Ocean Forest after a couple tries, it was just too rich for my young ones, trashed them :wtf: ... older transplants did fine in it ... others have great luck with it, I suspect strain may make a difference, don't know for sure ... consider that, but watering is your main issue, make sure the plant goes thru 'dry' and 'wet' cycles ... the plant takes up nutrients as it is drying, and needs the oxygen to the roots, can't drown ... :thumbsup:


Too cold + Too wet + Too acidic= exact symptom set you are seeing.

Check your runoff pH, get your temps between 75 and 82, lay off the watering, and spray them NOW NOW NOW NOW with a 1/4 strength foliar feed of your micronute supplement. That potassium deficiency (brown spotting near veins) is going to kill them in those wet conditions; K is the element most important to immune health in plants.

those saved em...thanks ladies!;)
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

You know it's odd but my plants do EXCELLENT in FFOF .......it actually makes ME look like a decent soil grower. :wtf:

edit: not the babies though.....as reaper said but.....but they sure love it at about 3 weeks old on up.

[SnSstealth]

mine do to WH....just not when they are this small....lol
WT

[8182KSKUSH]

I was planning on using FFOF, but after reading this I dunno. Surely it could not be worse than the crappy ass soil I used before, what is the difference between the FFOF and the FF Light Warrior? The LW looks like it has more perlite in it, is it any less hot? I understand that there are already a variety of goodies in FFOF, sooo.... does that mean go super light on veg formula, (using Botinicare Pure Blend Grow), previously I had started at a quarter strength after I had about 4 or 5 sets of true leaves, would this still be recomended? Just wondering. I was going to start in that, then transplant to FFOF, I have heard alot of great things about it now you all have me wondering?:wtf: So.... what of it? Good luck with the church, that shit is outstanding if you can get it dialed in and done right!:jointsmile:

[d4twamp]

Hey Stealth crew nice save... In my soil grows I used Basement mix from royal gold w/ the little ones, they thrived in that mix... But I'm pleased to say I've got my feet WET and have taken a detour from my dirty days...lol...and I sense in some of your past posts that you 2 too have pondered about dabbling in the dark side...Do I sense a future wet led scrog grow, Maybe wait for that one when you guys get out here...

later D:S5: