For all the Americans on the board

[GeddaLiddleHI]

it is well known that the founders of this country grew and smoked marijuana. so today, on this independence day, i say we all honor our forefathers in appropriate fashion and add some green to the red, white, and blue.

maybe smoke at 7:04 (7/4, 4th of july, get it?) so we've got a country-wide, independence day bake session?


that is all.

[killerweed420]

It has be a 4:20. I mean it just has to be.:jointsmile:

[FloraLaura]

I'm down.:thumbsup:

[HighTy]

I got a jay already rolled. Celebrate our independance!

[happiestmferoutthere]

Absolutely! Happy Independence Day!

[chongman420]

Why not smoke at 4:20 and 7:04??? Just a thought:jointsmile: Gotta get blazed and celebrate! Get baked and watch fireworks:thumbsup: Just don't blow yours hands off with a M-80 because then you won't be able to light up!:smokebong:

[illnillinois]

Why not smoke at 4:20 and 7:04??? Just a thought:jointsmile: Gotta get blazed and celebrate! Get baked and watch fireworks:thumbsup: Just don't blow yours hands off with a M-80 because then you won't be able to light up!:smokebong:

Im not smoking at either times, i have been dry for 3 weeks :(

but ill get a little enjoyment reading about you guys and gals smoking it up..

l8r

[TheMetal1]

I know that even in the harshest of times, one must rejoice in the positives... and I believe that we live in one of the greatest countries on Earth. There are landscapes that rival the best in the world, great food, and a huge variety of culture. However, it is on days like today that I often think of things we are NOT free to do. This being a cannabis website, the major one I'm referring to is our countries policy on marijuana. I know there are people suffering all around the world from all sorts of oppressive forces, so I'm not complaining that we "have it that bad" relatively speaking. It's just that I see everyone having such a great time at cookouts and enjoying the public festivities, and find it hard to have the same enthusiasm. The majority of neighborhood barbeque's will have a generous amount of alcohol and nobody will think less of you if you happen to throw up at 4pm because you've been drinking since 10am. It IS our nations holiday that represents our claims of Freedom from an unjust and tyrannical government. So that kind of behavior is encouraged. ;) By comparison, many block party attendees would not be able to dial the police fast enough if they even smelled a hint of marijuana. Or imagine trying to nonchalantly ask an officer where your blanket is set up for watching the fireworks by saying "Excuse me sir, did you see where I was sittting? I smoked some really nice Kush earlier and seem to have misplaced my group (insert casual elbow nudge)." It used to be annoying, but now it is depressing.
Either way, we do enjoy MANY freedoms that much of the world is denied and for that I can raise my pipe to the men who founded the concept of America.

All men ARE created equal... it's how we improve on that creation that will define us.

Stay :D and Keep :jointsmile:
Happy 232nd America :thumbsup:
May this year be better than the last.

[OLDE ENGLISH '800]

I'll be burning all day. :jointsmile:

[JaySin]

Just about to roll a few for tonight. Let freedom ring. :jointsmile:

[hydrocannabis]

I have 3 blunts to toke on.

and hope yall have the happest Independance Day ever.

[Burn_One_Down]

Smoked on my way to the beach, chilled and watched fireworks on the beach after sunset, smoked on my way out of the beach with two nice chronic bowls (windows down reggae jams bumping on the system), now going swimming :thumbsup:


Happy Indepedance Day folks! :stoned:

[Fencewalker]

it is well known that the founders of this country grew and smoked marijuana.
Really??? It's well known that they smoked marijuana?

Sure would love to see some supporting facts for that and growing hemp isn't the same thing by far. ;)

[StickyfingahZ]

Im not smoking at either times, i have been dry for 3 weeks :(

but ill get a little enjoyment reading about you guys and gals smoking it up..

l8r

Im in the same situation as you bro,and its hurting to be like this....
....They just anmnouced yesterday on the news,that they did a big bust of like 60 fellons at one time who were wanted and in the capture of these people they confiscated an unknown amount of weed and 21 plants.....
......Waaaaaaaaah.

[Shovelhandle]

Toasted the day yesterday. I'm light in the head this am. I'll get back up there after I get my weekly household business finished. It's the holiday weekend! Still two more days of sun, fun and more fun.

[something]

fencewalker, just google it, there's tons of stuff on it like this, taken from george washington's diaries

May 12-13: Sowed Hemp at Muddy hole by Swamp. August 7: Began to separate the Male from the Female at Do - rather too late."

separating males and females, only one reason why you'd be doing that

[Fencewalker]

fencewalker, just google it
I did before posting. ;)

separating males and females, only one reason why you'd be doing that
Don't know much about hemp?

The dioecious nature of hemp played an important role in peasant self-sufficiency, since it was observed during weaving that the fibre quality of the male plants was considerably finer than that of female plants.
The fibres of male plants were used for finer household purposes, such as towels, tablecloths, teacloths, and perhaps for hard-wearing bed-linen, while the female plants were used chiefly for making canvas and sacking.
Objective basis for evaluation of differences in fibre quality (http://www.hempfood.com/IHA/iha03210.html)

So again, with all due respect...Since it's well known...Somebody show me definitive proof that the founding fathers were smoking it. :)

[something]

i don't know much about hemp, heh, i guess i have no idea

[Fencewalker]

Closest thing I could find is some professor (Burke?) stating that he believes they smoked it, but it is "open to debate".

Did the Founding Fathers of the United States of America smoke cannabis? Some researchers think so. Dr. Burke, president of the American Historical Reference Society and a consultant for the Smithsonian Institute, counted seven early presidents as cannabis smokers: George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, Andrew Jackson, Zachary Taylor and Franklin Pierce. 41 "Early letters from our founding fathers refer to the pleasures of hemp smoking," said Burke. Pierce, Taylor and Jackson, all military men, smoked it with their troops. Cannabis was twice as popular among American soldiers in the Mexican War as in Vietnam: Pierce wrote to his family that it was "about the only good thing" about that war.
Portland NORML - Hemp: Lifeline to the Future - American High Society (http://www.marijuanalibrary.org/7_presidents.html)

Since I haven't read the early letters from our founding fathers, I have no way to independently verify that. Since the source is NORML, independently verifying it would be prudent. :p

[melodious fellow]

Really??? It's well known that they smoked marijuana?

Sure would love to see some supporting facts for that and growing hemp isn't the same thing by far. ;)

Jefferson wrote in his diary that his favorite activity was "sitting on [his] porch smoking hemp and watching the sunrise."

I think Jefferson was too educated to be smoking males, a+b = supporting evidence.

Washington: August 7, 1765 diary entry, "began to separate the male from the female plants,"

These are pretty well known facts, all over google... and the quotes check out at the lib of congress as well.

peace

[TheMetal1]

Jefferson wrote in his diary that his favorite activity was "sitting on [his] porch smoking hemp and watching the sunrise."

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that is an excerpt from Abraham Lincoln's journal. Again, these could just be fabricated to support the concept of historical Americans using marijuana, but again... pretty sure that was Lincoln. Either way, if cannabis was available and people knew about it's effects, I refuse to believe that even the most prominent members of society did not partake in a sweet embrace with Mary Jane. I mean, isn't that the message we are trying to portray when discussing the responsible use of marijuana? Everyone from young adults to world leaders could be closet smokers... there is no stereotypical consumer. If our current President can admittedly have once used (insert well known narcotic) then it is completely reasonable that men like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and Abraham Lincoln smoked marijuana at some point in their lives.

[Fencewalker]

Jefferson wrote in his diary that his favorite activity was "sitting on [his] porch smoking hemp and watching the sunrise."
Prove it. :)

Washington: August 7, 1765 diary entry, "began to separate the male from the female plants,"
Again, if you don't know enough about hemp it doesn't matter how many times somebody uses this quote to try and "prove" he smoked cannabis. See post #17 as to why this is not "proof".

These are pretty well known facts, all over google... and the quotes check out at the lib of congress as well.
I keep seeing this said...Well known fact...So it shouldn't be that damn tough to prove, I would think. :rolleyes:

[GeddaLiddleHI]

"Some of my finest hours have been spent on my back veranda, smoking hemp and observing as far as my eye can see" -Thomas Jefferson, 1781

and the difference between male and female fibers doesn't necessarily disprove anything either. While seperating them in order to differentiate between what the fibers could be used for, this wouldn't need to be done by a certain time (ragarding the quote of Washington having separated the sexes "a little too late") in order to do this, regardless of whether or not the females get pollinated...they're still female, and the fibers don't suddenly become identical to the males. The only real reason, as i understand it, to need to separate male and female hemp before a certain point is for the purposes of bud production for consumption.

Also, cannabis was not made illegal until 1937, long after these founding fathers lived, so there's no reason for them not to be smoking it, especially if they are already growing the plant. The term marijuana didn't even come into play until this point in order to make the plant illegal more easily, as the public would have a hard time accepting something that had been legal for so long being suddenly illegal, so they gave the "drug" a new name and it was made illegal. (That last part is courtesy of the Attack of the Show 2008 4/20 special from Jamaica, more specifically the section: "The History of Pot")

didn't realize THAT was going to become an issue when i posted this. apologies.

[epilepticme]

I know that even in the harshest of times, one must rejoice in the positives... and I believe that we live in one of the greatest countries on Earth. There are landscapes that rival the best in the world, great food, and a huge variety of culture. However, it is on days like today that I often think of things we are NOT free to do. This being a cannabis website, the major one I'm referring to is our countries policy on marijuana. I know there are people suffering all around the world from all sorts of oppressive forces, so I'm not complaining that we "have it that bad" relatively speaking. It's just that I see everyone having such a great time at cookouts and enjoying the public festivities, and find it hard to have the same enthusiasm. The majority of neighborhood barbeque's will have a generous amount of alcohol and nobody will think less of you if you happen to throw up at 4pm because you've been drinking since 10am. It IS our nations holiday that represents our claims of Freedom from an unjust and tyrannical government. So that kind of behavior is encouraged. ;) By comparison, many block party attendees would not be able to dial the police fast enough if they even smelled a hint of marijuana. Or imagine trying to nonchalantly ask an officer where your blanket is set up for watching the fireworks by saying "Excuse me sir, did you see where I was sittting? I smoked some really nice Kush earlier and seem to have misplaced my group (insert casual elbow nudge)." It used to be annoying, but now it is depressing.
Either way, we do enjoy MANY freedoms that much of the world is denied and for that I can raise my pipe to the men who founded the concept of America.

All men ARE created equal... it's how we improve on that creation that will define us.

Stay :D and Keep :jointsmile:
Happy 232nd America :thumbsup:
May this year be better than the last.

I just caught this, great post TheMetal1 :hippy:

[Coelho]

I know its a bit off topic, but this threads title prompted me to ask this... i always wonder why since long ago the inhabitants of u.s.a. call themselves americans, and call the u.s.a. "america"?
From what i know, America is the name of this entire continent, from the northernest parts of Canada to the southernest parts of Argentina/Chile... and all inhabitants of this entire continent could be rightfully be called "americans"... (even if most of them wouldnt like this... :p)

[GeddaLiddleHI]

yep, brought this up in a french class long ago (high school). we're really just that arrogant, and United Statesians sounds...retardulous. but at least we extend that field of arrogance to teh Native Americans...although now that i've said that i realize the term is probably more appropriate for them, since the native americans did occupy the entire continent; you know, before that whole murder and pillage thing we did