Rare smoker, test on Monday

[sttngagt]

Hey guys, couldn't find anywhere on the internet with real solid information for me. So this is the deal... I barely ever smoke... used to all the time years ago but quit (source arrested, never made a new connection...until now!). But since maybe last November I'm smoked like 5 joints... more importantly though, I split a blunt (cigarillo size) w/ a chick this past Monday, and then I smoked a joint all myself this past Tuesday afternoon (like 3/4pm). Then, as luck would have it, the hospital called me to do a study for them, it pays like $500, so I was pretty excited. But I have to pass a drug test to do the study, and the test is on Monday at 9am. For the study they'll be doing brain (PET) scans and such so they want to make sure I'm not on drugs, etc. So yeah, 2 joints this past week, and the last time i smoked before that was I think december... so do you guys think it's all out of my system by now, or that it will be by Monday morning? I'm about 6'3, 260, so I'm a big dude. I went running Weds morning and was going to today, but I just read I should as of today abstain from exercise. I'm just wondering, do you guys all think I'll even need to dilute? Or I should cuz it could still be there? Or do you think it'll all be out by monday, 9am? I mean, by the time the test rolls around it'll have been nearly 6 full days since I had smoked, and like I said, I'm a very rare smoker. So what do you guys think I should do? If you think I should do the dilution, do you think I need to do it full out a la the sticky note at the top? Or just drink a ton of water and/or gatorade and let it be that? Or should I do everything, aspirin, etc., etc., included? Thanks for any help, I really have no idea, I've never taken a drug test or had to worry about it. And it is a hospital, so I'm guess they'll do the spectrometer test instead of the easier-to-beat assay. Help please?

[killerweed420]

I would bet in a case like this the hospital will do GC/MS so I doubt you can get clean enough to pass that. I would recommend subbing with synthetic urine.

[sttngagt]

Wow, really? How long does it take to be clean enough to pass the GC/MS?

[killerweed420]

Instead of a cutoff of 50ng with the immunassay test the GC/MS is 15ng. And I imagine they have the facilities there on site to do both. So to really be safe I would sub.

[sttngagt]

Yeah, I understand that, but don't u think having smoked so little that the THC isn't lingering at least to any great effect by now? And by diluting and just drinking a crapload of gatorada and water that I could beat the GC/MS? Not trying to argue, just curious...

[killerweed420]

Its just a temp job so you could try the dillution sticky. Use gatorade instead of water. You're kind of big so the chances are less of passing. But it may work.

[sttngagt]

why gatorade instead of water? And what about eating? Should i eat any food or whatever or just fast? Since tuesday I've fasted quite a bit. I ate 3 meals yesterday though. And I ate one meal on thursday. Other than that, havent eaten, just been drinking dieuretics basically (tons of water, diet pepsi, and coffee). I did so thinking by eating my body would feed on the stored fat, etc., etc. So today do I fast again or should I eat really crappy today to add on new fat so my body isn't feeding on my fat and potentially putting the THC in my bloodstream, etc? Can you tell me why gatorade and how I should eat today? Thanks.

[sttngagt]

OK, so nevermind on the gatorade part, I read about it and it seems to help with specific gravity, etc., right? But how should I eat today? a lot of food tonight before I sleep? a lot of fattening candy? pizza? or what? the sticky says nothing about diet. Also, since I'm drinking gatorade, do I still need the aspirin? I figured gatorade and aspirin did the same thing, so do I still need both? Help!!! One more day...

[sttngagt]

umm... anyone? it's not the most difficult question.... eat a lot or fast??? there's no information about it i can find...

[killerweed420]

High fiber foods or metamucil is better for cleaning out the system. Does no good to drink lots of fluids other than to stay hydrated if your working out. Just drink the fluids the morning of the UA.The aspirin helps hide the thc in the urine on an EMIT test. For a GC/MS test it won't help.

[sttngagt]

OK, but does taking the aspirin/rolaids/vitamin b complex hurt if it turns out to be a gc/ms test? How long does that test take for them to run anyways? Do you think I should just not go and hope they will reschedule me (and not answer the phone when they call, let them leave vm)? you think my chances will be that bad?

[killerweed420]

OK, but does taking the aspirin/rolaids/vitamin b complex hurt if it turns out to be a gc/ms test? How long does that test take for them to run anyways? Do you think I should just not go and hope they will reschedule me (and not answer the phone when they call, let them leave vm)? you think my chances will be that bad?
No Doesn't effect the test at all.
On a uasual UA it takes 2 to 3 days but the send the sample off to Qwest or Labcorp. But yours maybe tested there at the hospital. It only takes 10 minutes to run a normal EMIT test.
If you're not sure if you're clean I'd just drink a lot of fluids in the morning of the test. You might get a negative dillute and they might just reschedule.

[HerbalConfusion]

Hey guys, couldn't find anywhere on the internet with real solid information for me. So this is the deal... I barely ever smoke... used to all the time years ago but quit (source arrested, never made a new connection...until now!). But since maybe last November I'm smoked like 5 joints... more importantly though, I split a blunt (cigarillo size) w/ a chick this past Monday, and then I smoked a joint all myself this past Tuesday afternoon (like 3/4pm). Then, as luck would have it, the hospital called me to do a study for them, it pays like $500, so I was pretty excited. But I have to pass a drug test to do the study, and the test is on Monday at 9am. For the study they'll be doing brain (PET) scans and such so they want to make sure I'm not on drugs, etc. So yeah, 2 joints this past week, and the last time i smoked before that was I think december... so do you guys think it's all out of my system by now, or that it will be by Monday morning? I'm about 6'3, 260, so I'm a big dude. I went running Weds morning and was going to today, but I just read I should as of today abstain from exercise. I'm just wondering, do you guys all think I'll even need to dilute? Or I should cuz it could still be there? Or do you think it'll all be out by monday, 9am? I mean, by the time the test rolls around it'll have been nearly 6 full days since I had smoked, and like I said, I'm a very rare smoker. So what do you guys think I should do? If you think I should do the dilution, do you think I need to do it full out a la the sticky note at the top? Or just drink a ton of water and/or gatorade and let it be that? Or should I do everything, aspirin, etc., etc., included? Thanks for any help, I really have no idea, I've never taken a drug test or had to worry about it. And it is a hospital, so I'm guess they'll do the spectrometer test instead of the easier-to-beat assay. Help please?

If you piss in the cup you will piss dirty. Listen to killerweed420. Personally i dont think u should do the test cause your fucking up their study. Pretty asshole move. They dont want people who have done drugs for a reason. Marijuana definitely affects the brain for more then the time you are under the infulence. I think you should do the right thing. Dont smoke pot if you want a to do lab tests for hospitals that require you to be 100% clean. Its dishonest and a mean thing to do.:( I

PS: I know you didnt come on here to hear that but it is the truth.

[TurnyBright]

your urine is probably still full of metabolites

[sttngagt]

To killerweed... thanks for all your help. I just got back, I tested negative. I pretty much followed the sticky for dilution. I woke up early, had coffee, a quart of water, then continuously drank gatorade... 5 quarts up until I went into the lab for the testing. It actually wasn't in the hospital but a clinical building next to the hospital. The test they did was on the spot, i filled a cup w/ piss, sat it on the window, then the girl went in and came out a couple minutes later (literally, like 2 or 3, not 10) and that was it. Clearly it was an EMIT test. When I go in tomorrow and each day of the scan they will drug test me before every time, but it sounds like it'll be the same method, on the spot, so I'd imagine just the EMIT every time. If they were gonna do the gc/ms test I'd imagine they'd have done that one day and then every other day done EMITs, but it seems like they'll all be just EMITs. So for tomorrow and each day should I just do the dilution sticky over and over? I don't know why, but my stomach is totally fucked up. I thought I was gonna piss/dump as soon as I arrived, it was painful having her read that damn consent form page after page, for like, 15 pages. What's gonna suck tho is that I'll have to lay down for like 1.5-2hrs before my break, and if I do this dilution every time I'm gonna be bursting to piss throughout. But should I just continue to do the dilution you think? I have diahrea, based on another thread a read, some dude ate a huge meal the night before, so that's what I did, do you think I can not do that? Is there any advantage to eating a lot? Cuz the way I feel, I don't wanna eat anything at all for the whole day. And I don't wanna have the shits tomorrow, cuz I'll be there for a total of like 4 hours. Think it'll be ok to not eat and just drink nothing but water/gatorade all day today and tomorrow? Should I continue w/ the aspirin/rolaids/b complex? Thanks!!!

To confusion... I wonder if you lecture everyone similarly who is on probation or applying for a job. After all, people's POs and employers don't want those individuals on drugs. Thus, those people shouldn't smoke pot if they want jobs or to avoid jail, right? It's a dishonest and mean thing to do, yes? Hey, just speaking the truth. ;)

To Bright... Apparently not enough to show thanks to dilution. If you read my original post, I smoked 6 days ago, splitting a blunt w/ a girl (who smoked more of it than me and kept a rather sizeable roach), and I smoked a small joint myslef (I can't actually roll pro style, t was just one of those small ones you make using the plastic roller thingy, and I also put in a lil cardboard filter, so it was hardly a fat joint or anything), and that was all. And prior to that, I hadn't smoked since november or december. The green was NOT KB, so I'd imagine the THC levels were lower than most of the green that guys on this board are smoking. Thus, maybe 6 days was enough time for the metabolites to dissipate so much so as to allow for dillution. I looked all over websites, and for rare smokers such as my circumstance, most subjects tested negative after as little as 3 days to as many as 6 days. Given my weight, the latter is probably more fitting for me, but I'm confused as to why given the amount of information out there that so many would think I would have failed. If I were a regular, then yeah, I'd be screwed for minimum 30 days, but that's not me. But you guys really did make me nervous!! Those 3 minutes I was waiting for her to test it felt like forever. I thought I heard her say to the girl, "I think it's positive"... probably was my mind fucking with me, but nope, she came out and say all negative and I'll be seeing them all tomorrow at 7:30am. :thumbsup:

[killerweed420]

Good it looks like EMIT is all you have to deal with. I would just do a dillution each morning with maybe 24 to 30 ounces of gatorade,pee a couple times before the UA and use your midstream urine and you'll probably be fine. The aspirin can be hard on some peoples stomachs.

[sttngagt]

thanks 420, u the man!! Just so you know... the dilution stick seems to have been dervied from the following page (which also has more info on taking the creatine/vitamin/aspirin/etc., and it was what i followed this morning. So i gotcha that I should dilute w/ the gatorade like you said, but should I continue w/ the vitamin/rolaids/aspirin/creatine stuff tomorrow morning again? Do you think it'd be ok to not eat? Like I said, I don't wanna eat any food, but I'm not sure if eating the mammoth dinner I ate yesterday/last night had any effect (be it positive or negative) on my test. And neither the sticky nor the page I linked says anything about food. I'm worried that by not eating my body will be feeding on my fat and thus possibly dumping thc metablites into my stream. That was why I ate a fatty/waaaay-to-filling dinner last night. In fact, this morning, I was pretty much still full from last night's dinner. I know it's f'ing gross to eat that much, but it made sense that if my body is digesting new fats then the food's nutrients would be in my piss rather than thc metabolites from my stored fats, so that's why I ate so much rather than fasting. Does that make sense to you? Or am I making a faulty assumption somewhere there in thinking that about the food issue. So I guess a few things... food... can I fast? And do i still need to take creatine/aspirin/vitamin/rolaids along w/ my dilution tomorrow morning? Thanks!!!

[killerweed420]

If your having stomach problems I'd lay off the aspirin. At this point the eating isn't going to have much of an impact other than its better to be flowing smoothly and not constipated. A lot of thc metabolites are reabsorbed through your stool so the idea is to keep it moving so it doesn't have a chance to get reabsorbed.With a lower fluid intake you shouldn't have to worry about the creatine and rolaids.

[jeffman]

I think the same about the aspirin and You didn't need all that fluid. I would skip the water and stick to Gatorade. I was really thinking up to 40 ounces but killer knows best.

[sttngagt]

Thanks guys. The fluid intake didn't really bother me so much as the aspirin did. I thought I was gonna have an "accident" while she was reviewing the info. It suuuuuucked!!! But yeah, I did drink a shitload of fluids, I felt bloated as hell and waaaaaay uncomfortable. I could probably drink half the amount I did and be fine. I get there at 730am but the test isn't really to start until 8:30, so that's an hour to do the test and then pee more if I need, etc., etc, and I can live with the peeing... but the shits I got from the apirin was awful, I might as well have taken a laxative. I bought 2 gallons of gatorade, maybe if I just drink one gallon over like 2 or 3 hours then that will be enough to dilute (without aspirin/rolaids/all that crap, although I guess I can take the vitamin still, right?) The girl tested it today and it took 2 minutes, so do you think she just isn't caring about the dilution, specific gravity, creatine level, etc., etc.? I mean seriously, i just waited outside, she went into the bathroom, and came out 3 minutes later and said I was negative and she's see me in the morning. Thoughts? Does a gallon sound like it'll do it? And to hell with the other supplements?

Jeffman, you in vegas or reno? I used to live in vegas, but only for like a year.

[jeffman]

I'm in Vegas. I don't know about Your dilution question. I leave that to the real experts here, Killerweed and Burnt toast but there are others here that know there stuff. Someone will come along.

[sttngagt]

that's cool. how's the casino business? Slow down any cuz of the economy? I never understood why green wasn't decriminalized out there, it's so available and everyone tokes out there it seems. This def. seems like a cool site. After this study is over (and hopefully I pass each time... test tomorrow, thursday, and then next wednesday and friday) I may have to get some green and chill on this board some. Pretty cool people here.

[jeffman]

Well casinos always cry broke but they have been taking a hit and laying off a lot of people. You will have first hand info after You pass this study. Keep up the good work and Good Luck...:thumbsup:

[sttngagt]

Oh, and if ur there 420 I just made a smoothie with creatine, even though it's not necessary I figured why not, so I'm drinking it now, not sure if there will even be any left in my system come the morning. And with gatorade, will my piss be clear, or will there be a slight tint to it? They told me no cigs or caffeine after 9pm (study protocol), so that's what I'm doing. So I could just drink a ton of the gatorade like you said, just curious though. Seemed like earlier today when I was pissing my piss had a slight tint and wasn't totally clear (like it is with water), so is that alright? I took one b-complex but my piss never got "vitamin yellow" or anything, it was barely tinted when I gave up the sample. I only took one b pill tho... 294% riboflavin. But with all the shit I drank maybe it was just that diluted, cuz I did drink a lot of the ade. I know you said 30oz's but I think I'm just gonna drink a gallon over like 3 hours, and maybe save the last third or more for right before I arrive. It wasn't so much the fluids that bothered me, it was the combo of the food I ate the previous night combined with all that aspirin (i think i took like 8). But granted all that fluid to bloat me like a dang balloon. ugh. Maybe I could just take 2 or 3 aspirins (just in case) like 45 mins before I go in? Or do you think that could mess me up still?

[Burnt Toast]

I just made a smoothie with creatine, even though it's not necessary I figured why not, so I'm drinking it now, not sure if there will even be any left in my system come the morning. It takes 3 days for creatine to metabolize into creatinine - the actual constituent (along with SG) being tested in the dilution check. Therefore, creatine-loading should been done 3 days prior to the U/A.

[sttngagt]

Gotcha, thanks burnt. At least then it'll show fine for my test on thurs i guess. Did you read any of my above posts? Just curious about what you think I should do for tomorrow's test? 420 told me not to worry so much about aspirin cuz it made me so sick, i took 8 in a matter of 2 hours. Gave me the worst shits. Do you think I can get away w/ taking 2 or 3 45mins before the test? I'm not gonna drink as much tomorrow as I did today (maybe a gallon?), so I guess I won't have to worry much about the rolaids (altho i did buy more earlier today), and I guess I'll take the vitamin b-complex cuz why not. But do you think I should still take some asprin just to be safe? I passed today, but I wanna make sure I pass tomorrow too (and thursday, and next weds and fri), I just don't wanna have the shits. I think I just too much too late, by the time I got there i was exploding about, gave the sample, and after we said good bye I went to the bathroom, and then again when I got home. It was like I was an hour behind. If my metabolism is slow do you think I can get away w/ just taking like 3 asprin like 45mins - 1hr before the test and be solid? I just wanna avoid the pain I had today, it was terrible. :(

[sttngagt]

Well, I gotta get to bed. Gotta get up early to start dilution. I hope I wake up w/ some answers/advice about this asprin thing... G'nite all!! Burn one for me!!

[eltone]

Congrats on testing negative. Since you have privacy in the bathroom just get some clean urine from a non pot smoking or drug using friend. Have them put their clean urine in a plastic pill bottle with a locking cap (it won't leak.) In the bathroom hold the bottle under hot water to raise the urine temp to body temp and just give them the clean one. They can't tell it's not yours unless you are a man and the urine came from a woman. But they would have to run an addtional expensive test to determine the sex, and that they will not do. Or since your clean stay that way, but if you use, this works. I did this for 5 years while on a methadone detox where I had to radomly drop, until my Dr gave me a 'script for Marinol, VIOLA home free (I live in a non medical marijuana state, yet you can legally become an opiate junkie using methadone. I know 2 people who get over 250 15mg Methadone pills a month plus 225 8mg Diladud, our drug laws are so messed up... Good Luck!!!:smokin: