Supreme Court Rejects Death Penalty for Child Rape

[Psycho4Bud]

â??The death penalty is not a proportional punishment for the rape of a child,â?� Justice Anthony M. Kennedy wrote for the court. He was joined by Justices John Paul Stevens, David H. Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen G. Breyer.

The court overturned a ruling by the Louisiana Supreme Court, which had held that child rape is unique in the harm it inflicts not just upon the victim but on society and that, short of first-degree murder, no crime is more deserving of the death penalty.

Justice Kennedy, while in no way minimizing the heinous nature of child rape, wrote that executing someone for that crime, assuming that the victim was not killed, violates the Eighth Amendmentâ??s ban on cruel and unusual punishment, which draws it meaning from â??the evolving standards of decency that mark the progress of a maturing society.â?�
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/26/washington/26scotuscnd.html?hp

5-4 again....keep this shit in mind when you vote this November.:mad:

IF this were to happen to my grandson, I now know better than to rely on the courts for "justice".:buzz_saw:

Have a good one!:s4:

[xcrispi]

This is B/S
Worryin about cruel and unusual punishment instead of the crazy shit these peds. have done to our kids . :mad:

It's all good though - peds. don't fair to well in our local prison system . Most end up beat down and the rock bosses bitch . :thumbsup:

Peace P4B
Crispi :stoned:

[Fugitive]

â??The death penalty is not a proportional punishment for the rape of a child,â?� Justice Anthony M. Kennedy. Let me rephrase that for you Mr Kennedy, the death penalty isnâ??t severe enough punishment for these scum, in my opinion they should be starved to death.

This is what happens to a sick twisted society where no one is held responsible for their sick action, do you want to feed, shelter and medicate these vermin? Well you are with your taxes.

â??The evolving standards of decency that mark the progress of a maturing society.â?� Idiots, everyone knows the standard of society is dropping because the judicial system is just getting softer on violent crime with no end in sight. I guarantee less people will commit violent crimes if they gave harsher penalties, even if they donâ??t, screw them I donâ??t care about criminals.

[illnillinois]

Fine, death not ok, then Cut off their balls or yank out the ovaries .. yes women do rape.. Rape of a child should be punished and punished HARD..
but im just one opinion..

[apocolips31]

I say the courts should let the family of the victim be allowed to do whatever they want to this sick twisted fuck!

[jessejames12345]

:wtf:...damn the supreme court is really hittin 'em out of the park today :wtf:

I used to think AT LEAST the supreme court would be in touch with the country. But if even they aren't.... jezzus , we're F**K'd :wtf:

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Before we all have a knee-jerk reaction, what are they defining as a "child"? Does "rape" include statutory rape? Because I remember a very public case of that 17yo kid that was sentenced to 10 years in prison for getting a blowjob from a 15yo girl. He had it overturned and was released after 2 years in prison.


The article sorely lacks in information. By many legal standards, a 19yo man having sex with a 17yo girl may have legally "raped a child".


But if the assumption here is that we're talking about actual children, then yes, string 'em up and let the Devil have his balls.

[illnillinois]

Before we all have a knee-jerk reaction, what are they defining as a "child"? Does "rape" include statutory rape? Because I remember a very public case of that 17yo kid that was sentenced to 10 years in prison for getting a blowjob from a 15yo girl. He had it overturned and was released after 2 years in prison.


The article sorely lacks in information. By many legal standards, a 19yo man having sex with a 17yo girl may have legally "raped a child".


But if the assumption here is that we're talking about actual children, then yes, string 'em up and let the Devil have his balls.


WAY RIGHT.. the guy in Denver streaking. might have to register as a sex offender..

careful who we label, or it loses the reason we mark them.. when its given out to everyone.

[jessejames12345]

It will go the way it always goes, The way it seems to go, The more we 'know' , the more 'comfortable' we are with the story....And the more the original tragedy ends up forgotten.




.......... edit. ; Just read the recent post's and agree with all. We defiantly need to know the implications of this ruling. SOrry for being melodramatic :rastasmoke: .

[katyowns]

another step in the right direction, the death penalty should be abolished

[Fugitive]

another step in the right direction, the death penalty should be abolished

You liberals never cease to f-ing amaze me. You only raped a child, never mind we'll wait until you change and then become born again Christian. Oh only killed ten people, thatâ??s just murder isn't it, here you go Rose West a TV, DVD player and a stereo.

Rose West (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-510028/Cosy-curtains-embroidery-celebrity-status-Inside-fantasy-world-evil-Rose-West.html)

The UK is infested with liberals and prisoners will soon get PS2 in their cells, drugs are also plentiful inside the prisons.

Liberals have been trying to indoctrinate me all my life through the school system and TV, but I can see that clearly its a lie.

Obviously if its 17 - 15 year olds the court should use common sense.

[katyowns]

You liberals never cease to f-ing amaze me. You only raped a child, never mind we'll wait until you change and then become born again Christian. Oh only killed ten people, thatâ??s just murder isn't it, here you go Rose West a TV, DVD player and a stereo.

Rose West (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-510028/Cosy-curtains-embroidery-celebrity-status-Inside-fantasy-world-evil-Rose-West.html)

The UK is infested with liberals and prisoners will soon get PS2 in their cells, drugs are also plentiful inside the prisons.

Liberals have been trying to indoctrinate me all my life through the school system and TV, but I can see that clearly its a lie.

Obviously if its 17 - 15 year olds the court should use common sense.



I fail to see how me being against the death penalty automatically makes me a liberal? You typed a whole lot of nothing up there, and seem to be over excited.

[Fugitive]

It is the typical liberal (neo con whatever) stance and excuse me for not writing boringly enough for you. I'm not excited, this stuff just makes me angry. Nice way to avoid the issue though.

[katyowns]

It is the typical liberal (neo con whatever) stance and excuse me for not writing boringly enough for you. I'm not excited, this stuff just makes me angry. Nice way to avoid the issue though.


I wasn't avoiding the issue at all, I don't believe either of us can change the others mind. I am very against the death penalty for personal and spiritual reasons. You are obviously staunchly for the death penalty. These are facts that neither of us are going to change.

[ldg420]

another step in the right direction, the death penalty should be abolished

would you rather use YOUR tax dollars to go to jailing for a person for the rest of their life, especially a child rapist???
Personally I'd rather see the offender lying on a table waiting for the lethal injection!:stoned:

[LegalizeTheGreen]

I find it funny that conservatives, the supposedly "Christian" of the two labels, are in such a hurry to execute people, while it is the "godless liberals" that are against executions and guns, and are for universal health care and programs for the less fortunate. Don't attack someone because they have a stronger respect for life than you. We all know that child rapers are sick, twisted, and the scum of the scum, but who are you to decide to end their life? I'm betting katyowns is against executions for murder as well, and there is nothinng wrong with that opinion.
It is overzealous people like you that give Conservatives the bad name they have now (I'm a moderate/liberal myself). I personally don't mind the death penalty too much, but I respect the people that do.

[Markass]

When I have children one of these days, the last thing some son of a bitch will need to worry about if he does ANYTHING to my children is what the court is going to be able to do to him; he'll be dead.

[Esoteric416]

No death penalty for child rapists? Ok fine just put em in general population down at the prison and let nature take its course. Seriously thats just as good as dead. The policy should be that these people get no special treatment, if you rape a child then you go to prison just like if you killed someone or robbed a bank. Yeah you're gonna get repeatedly prison raped, but hey so do some of the people who just wanted a free car or to sell some weed.
As for the death penalty, I think the people who want the perp dead should have to put them down. If your child was raped and you want the person who did it killed then after the trial and all that instead of some anonymous individual throwing the switch it should be you. Never ask someone else to do something that you arent prepared to do yourself.
And just in case anyone is wondering, yes I would be prepared to do this myself (just in case that even needed stating) I don't think we should play fast and loose with the death penalty, if you're gonna take someone elses life you better be damn sure they deserve it first. Of course that brings up a whole bunch of other issues like: "can we ever really be sure?"
These are some real muddy waters here.

[painretreat]

The problem with child rape, in most case's; The child doesn't remember the offender and often the crime itself. That is how the mind protects us in some meaninful ways. From my history of trauma and pain, I prefer not to remember. I feel no punishment is enough for this type of crime against, America's prized political power of tomorrow; the small, unprotected citizens of our fine country! That is our job, protect those children. I think there has to be enough DNA data or specifically the kid rmembering the person and that person's memory be evailuated for correctness every 5 years! Sometimes, women have remembered incorrectly and unable to live with themself after sending someone to jail for decades when it was in fact, another person that looked almost alike the person that did the crime. so, some case's need to be open, and defendant held until proven guilty beyond a doubt. Or, I think most admit, make the punishment for the ?crime be so high, people do not want the punishment. Fist time? Take off one nutMacadamia and apricot nuts)! 2nd, the Second nut; Third: keep on going. And no re-constructive surgery. Easier to find a rapist with one nut or ovary than 2!:hippy:

I have seen this in my own family. Always felt, my niece had infant child abuse behavior. Had a step-father or two or 3, etc. Anyway, it ended up I was telling one of 4 brothers of mine and he said he abused her. "But, she was so little how could she remember?"
I told him her mind never forgot because her behavior has lived like a survivor!

These people know what they have done to ruin a kid from living up to their potential, instead a life of mental anguish! I could go on. But, when you are 'of age' You represent the generation that needs to set a good example-are you living in the home of your dreams (and wondering how to pay 4 it), as opposed to how you don't want to live!

[Reefer Rogue]

â??The death penalty is not a proportional punishment for the rape of a child,â?� Justice Anthony M. Kennedy wrote for the court. He was joined by Justices John Paul Stevens, David H. Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen G. Breyer.

The court overturned a ruling by the Louisiana Supreme Court, which had held that child rape is unique in the harm it inflicts not just upon the victim but on society and that, short of first-degree murder, no crime is more deserving of the death penalty.

Justice Kennedy, while in no way minimizing the heinous nature of child rape, wrote that executing someone for that crime, assuming that the victim was not killed, violates the Eighth Amendmentâ??s ban on cruel and unusual punishment, which draws it meaning from â??the evolving standards of decency that mark the progress of a maturing society.â?�
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/26/washington/26scotuscnd.html?hp

5-4 again....keep this shit in mind when you vote this November.:mad:

IF this were to happen to my grandson, I now know better than to rely on the courts for "justice".:buzz_saw:

Have a good one!:s4:

Completely agree. I believe the only real deterrent for these people is infact the death penalty, yes i'm an anarchist/liberal woop dee doo. They don't deserve to live and they don't deserve to leach off of my well earned tax dollars /end conservative mode rant/

[Fugitive]

I find it funny that conservatives, the supposedly "Christian" of the two labels, are in such a hurry to execute people, while it is the "godless liberals" that are against executions and guns, and are for universal health care and programs for the less fortunate. Don't attack someone because they have a stronger respect for life than you. We all know that child rapers are sick, twisted, and the scum of the scum, but who are you to decide to end their life? I'm betting katyowns is against executions for murder as well, and there is nothinng wrong with that opinion.
It is overzealous people like you that give Conservatives the bad name they have now (I'm a moderate/liberal myself). I personally don't mind the death penalty too much, but I respect the people that do.

Please don't assume I'm a Christian, but thatâ??s very far from the point.

I don't lust for blood itâ??s simply a very realistic point of view. It is for the greater good of the whole social order and would make paedophiles think twice. Those who commit heinous crimes don't deserve any mercy, we owe that to those who have had their lives destroyed by these perverts.

China, for example, doesn't have the extremely high crime rates that you have in the US despite having four times the population. This is because they donâ??t have a system of bloodsucking attorneys and counterproductive laws that end up serving to protect the guilty, as opposed, to having justice served.

Don't tell me how superior you are with your respect for criminals lives.

You want to go into the gun issue and Marxist programs. Disarming the population only serves to arm the criminals leaving law abiding citizens helpless. Marxist programs stagnates society and more people feel entitled to sit on their collective asses.

When abolishing capital and corporal punishment was argued in Britain, their main argument was that the incidences of murder would not increase if the death penalty was abolished. There are more murders in a week than there were in a year now.

In a way you could say Iâ??m against the death penalty, death is too lenient. I suggest hard manual labour for the rest of their lives and having them retire to small dark cells.

[daihashi]

It is the typical liberal (neo con whatever) stance and excuse me for not writing boringly enough for you. I'm not excited, this stuff just makes me angry. Nice way to avoid the issue though.

Actually, while I don't agree with her stance I have to say that it doesn't make her a liberal. She just made one statement.

Let's take a deep breath and an even deeper puff and relax.

The great thing about being human is that there is so much variety. Naturally we're all going to have different opinions. Personally I agree with previous posters in that I do believe in the death penalty for child rapists but I think the court also needs to apply common sense in certain cases. Something we seem to lack in this country lately. :hippy:

[killerweed420]

The problem with the death penalty for a nonmurder crime is where do you stop? Once you open that door they'll be screaming for the death penalty doing drugs. You can't allow the government too much power. We've all seen what happens.

[daihashi]

The problem with the death penalty for a nonmurder crime is where do you stop? Once you open that door they'll be screaming for the death penalty doing drugs. You can't allow the government too much power. We've all seen what happens.

I agree with this however at the same time I don't appreciate my tax dollars going to support these scummy people. Statistically many offenders are repeat offenders as well. Which goes to show that putting them in an institution such as prison has not been working.

Personally I'm perfectly happy with giving up my rights to rape children. </sarcasm>

I'm will not happily give up my rights originally granted to me by my forefathers however. (not sarcasm).

Again the law needs to be interpreted using some common sense. If only we had some common sense amendment that could be forced on our judicial system.

[happiestmferoutthere]

You liberals never cease to f-ing amaze me..
"If by a 'Liberal' they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people â?? their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties â?? someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a 'Liberal,' then I'm proud to say I'm a 'Liberal"


John F. Kennedy

[LegalizeTheGreen]

I didn't mean to imply anyone was anything, I only meant that Some people believe all death is wrong, and that doesn't automaticlly make anyone anything.

I used to know a psychotherapist that worked with sex offenders (she wasn't my therapist, before anyone asks, lol), and in all her career (like 30 years), she only had one repeat offender. Sure it doesn't help the victim in that one case, but they are able to be rehabilitated, the same as any other criminal (even though they are the worst of the worst). I'm not saying this makes anything ok, nor do I approve of taking it easy on them (I would'nt have been upset if the Supreme Court had ruled the other way), I'm just throwing it out there.

Honestly, I think they should have really bad stuff happen to these people, but lets lock em up and throw away the key. We can start releasing cannabis offender to make room for em ;)

[daihashi]

Honestly, I think they should have really bad stuff happen to these people, but lets lock em up and throw away the key. We can start releasing cannabis offender to make room for em ;)

Now there is something I can agree with. Smoke 'em if you got'em!!

:stoned:

[FreshNugz]

Honestly, I think they should have really bad stuff happen to these people, but lets lock em up and throw away the key. We can start releasing cannabis offender to make room for em ;)

I agree. The prison members will do such a better job of punishment than any lethal injection could. Lots of pedophiles in prison end up dead one way or another, and it wasnt so easy as getting a needle...I think that may be punishment enough.
I am pretty split on the death penalty issue. On one hand, for sex crimes against kids, or brutal murders, like serial killing - i am for the death penalty. On the other hand, it kind of seems like the easy way out, no? Personally I think it would be best if they sat on death row for like 20 years...just waiting and thinking that they were gonna die. That will fuck with someone's mind. But then you have to fund for him to keep the steel bench warm...which defeats the purpose.
But if they only have to wait a few months and are then put out of their misery, how does that bring any sort of good to the situation. Sure, he is off the street and can't harm people, and the family rests better knowing that the man is dead and won't do what he did again...but will it fix that child? mentally? physically? probably not. He/she will need extensive therapy, for many aspects of life can trigger mental recollections...or even a later romantic encounter can be unpleasant, because it also triggers thoughts.

We need to stop worrying about the offender so much, and think of the child. What measures are we adjusting to ensure the best recovery of a child who's been traumatized like this??? I say stop worrying so much about what happens to the sicko, and start worrying about helping the child. Lots of times the child grows up to have a lot of problems...the best thing we could do is ensure he/she gets to lead as normal a life as possible, so at least the sick fuck didn't take that away from them too.

[Psycho4Bud]

-Over 2,000 children are reported missing every day.

-The chance that your child will become a victim of a sex offender is 1 in 3 for girls & 1 in 6 for boys.

**Source: The National Center for Victims of Crime
Protect your children by identifying registered sex offenders in your area.
National Sex Offenders Registry - Registered Sex Offenders List (http://www.registeredoffenderslist.org/)

I live in an area with three zip codes....the one I live in has 120 offenders listed for my area. Seems this crap about letting the system handle these freaks of nature isn't working!:mad:

Have a good one!:s4:

[killerweed420]

-Over 2,000 children are reported missing every day.

-The chance that your child will become a victim of a sex offender is 1 in 3 for girls & 1 in 6 for boys.

**Source: The National Center for Victims of Crime
Protect your children by identifying registered sex offenders in your area.
National Sex Offenders Registry - Registered Sex Offenders List (http://www.registeredoffenderslist.org/)

I live in an area with three zip codes....the one I live in has 120 offenders listed for my area. Seems this crap about letting the system handle these freaks of nature isn't working!:mad:

Have a good one!:s4:

Parents need to be dilligent. Pedophiles haven't changed from the way they've been since the beginning of time. People just need to kepp a watchful eye over the rug rats. I'm not infavour of our government doing parenting for me.

[Psycho4Bud]

I see another "discussion" regarding the rep system. I'm NOT a big fan of it but some are. Please keep in mind that we ALL have to take the good with the bad and when you do use this system PLEASE do it in all fairness to the other members!

As for myself, I don't give out negative rep.....like the ol' saying goes, "If ya ain't got nothing good to say keep it to yourself".
(This doesn't apply to discussions about politicians though; they got it coming to them!)

Have a good one!:s4: