cheap and easy DIY cloner and what to do with the results

[justanotherbozo]

i put this together because i thought it had enough to stand alone and, i felt it was kinda lost for the newbie in my 'imaginary garden' thread.

so, for the noobs like me and the noobs like the one i was before i found these boards and you people, i hope this helps.

[justanotherbozo]

first, as a newbie, you need to understand that you must learn to clone, that is the only way you will reap the full benefits of ganja growing. it's just too big a pain in the ass to raise them up from seed and wait 2 - 3 months for them to get mature enough to display sex.
with cloning, you know that every plant you flower is a girl!

second, let me say that i'm no expert so this is not meant to be definitive!
there are several ways to root clones and all are effective to one degree or another. just don't be discouraged, if you try something and it fails, try something else, then, it wasn't a failure, it was a learning experience!

personally, i've rooted clones in rockwool starter cubes under a dome (last year 95% rooted, this year 100% died).
i've rooted clones in just a glass of water, got about a 60% success rate (not good enough to rely on, and it takes a good 10 - 15 days to see roots)

i've only had one run so far with my new cloner but, in that run, 17 of 18 rooted and within 6 days! eureka!
(the cloner has been in operation for about a month now and still with about a 98% success rate)

anyway, since my aim is a never ending Sea Of Green, having a reliable source of healthy clones was a must. being a newbie myself, i set to work reading every thread on cloning i could find and this is what i've come up with, i hope it works as well for you as it has for me!

[justanotherbozo]

taking a cutting is pretty straightforward and covered by many, many other threads and faq's. my intent with this thread is to show you how i made a cloner to provide myself with a reliable source of healthy little girls and what you do once you have them rooted.

that being said, as a newbie myself i tell you, do not be afraid to try cloning. cloning is easy!
anyway, once you've taken a cutting you need a place to put it right?
this thread will show you how to make yourself a bubble cloner for about $20.00 USD, not counting another $20.00 for a small air pump, you need bubbles man.

here's a parts list and some pics

1 bin, no bigger than 2 gallons (mine came from Lowes and it cost $7.99)

2 airstones, get them at Walmat, they have a variety of sizes, bigger is better if your pump can handle it, just make sure the airstones fit inside the bin. (approx. $3.00 each)

1/4 inch outside diameter rubber tubbing (standard size for fish tanks)(20 feet is approx. $4.00)
a tee fitting (if your pump only has one outlet, if it has two, you don't need the fitting)
1 length of pipe wrap insulation (it comes in 6 ft lengths) (approx. $4.00)

and now a few pics

1) the inside (as you can see, my bin is black so light proof from jump street, well worth the extra cash, LOL, no need for duct tape)
oh yeah, don't get those airwand thingies, the suction cups don't hold and so they pop free and float to the top of the res, not a good thing.

2) assembled and ready to go, 3 rows times 6x1inch holes for a total of 18 'stations'. note the pipe wrap cut into 1 inch pieces
(the holes were cut with a 1inch hole saw)

3) loaded up but with a few empty stations that show the pipe wrap really well.

btw, i use 2 gallons of water into which i put approx. 6ml of ThriveAlive B1 Red and 2 drops of Superthrive (DO NOT OVERDO THE SUPERTHRIVE, 1 DROP PER GALLON ONLY)
another thing to consider is that you want the res to be kinda warm, not hot mind you, just not cold.

[justanotherbozo]

heres a few pics of the cloner in operation, all pretty much self explanitory

1) the cloner is to the right on top of the beer box, to the left and on the floor is one of my DWC bins (same exact footprint and cover size, just 6 gallons deep instead of 2 gallons)

2) another shot, note the difference in the lids, on the left in particular you see 2 cups filled with hydroton, those have rooted clones i need to move to one of my DWC's, the other's are filled with some cuttings i had no room in the cloner for so i pressed a DWC into service as a bubble cloner. (it works but i don't recommend it, it's too deep for a bubble cloner)

3) the underside of the DWC impersonating a cloner, lol (as you can see, the cuttings just dangle about an inch from the top of the solution getting splashed with bubbles.

4) here you can see some roots poking out

5) inside the cloner proper (look at them roots man!)

[justanotherbozo]

once you have rooted clones you can transplant into your medium of choice (because i'm learning to grow hydroponically i'm using homemade net pots filled with hydroton, expanded clay pellets)

the thing to remember is to be fairly gentle with the roots whether you're transplanting into dirt or hydroton. in truth, potting them in dirt is simple.

here are some pics to illustrate just how simple it is. just be sure not to leave too much space between the top of the dirt and the rim of the pots, about an inch is good, that leaves you room to water without so much space you have dead, stagnant air at the base of your plants.

note the pots, from last year (i made them from 2 liter soda bottles) (good size for a dirt SOG) i potted these in dirt for a friend who plans on putting them behind his 50 tomato plants.

[justanotherbozo]

this is a technique i learned from StinkyAttic (thanks Stinky).

the key here is gentle, gentle, gentle.

in the pics you can see that i pre-soak my hydroton (get hygromite if you don't already have hydroton, it's better for the plants)
as you can see, you put the rooted end of the cutting into the net pot with some hydroton, then you fill up the pot with hydroton while still in the water. doing it this way is much more gentle on the roots

[hudson88]

Hey bozo great thread. I can vouch for this method of cloning, i've had problems in the past with clones getting around a 50/50 success rate. Around a month ago 2 of the 4 cuttings i'd taken and put in root riots rooted in about 2 weeks, the other 2 stayed in the riots for another week and failed to root.

Fortunately for me bozo visited my grow log and told me the success he had with his bubble cloner. I checked out his thread and decided to give it a try, all together it cost me roughly $25 and took me about an hour. I put the two unrooted clones that had been in root riots for three weeks and 2 new cuttings into the new bubble cloner, 7 days later all cuttings had roots!

Can't recommend this method of cloning enough. :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[justanotherbozo]

heres a couple more pics to really illustrate whats going on here

[justanotherbozo]

the thing to remember is, don't be afraid to try something new and don't be afraid to ask for help (not something like 'do i put the switch up or down to turn the light on?'), we're all in this alone, together, so we all help each other.
also, keep in mind that the more research you do on your own, the more respect you will earn from everyone, plus, you will ask better questions, lol!

when you gain some experience, reach out your hand to the newbie and help him climb that dratted learning curve, just like someone, in my case, many someone's, reached out and helped me, and you!

now, toke amongst yourselves man!

[justanotherbozo]

i'm really glad it works as well for you as it does for me man!


Hey bozo great thread. I can vouch for this method of cloning, i've had problems in the past with clones getting around a 50/50 success rate. Around a month ago 2 of the 4 cuttings i'd taken and put in root riots rooted in about 2 weeks, the other 2 stayed in the riots for another week and failed to root.

Fortunately for me bozo visited my grow log and told me the success he had with his bubble cloner. I checked out his thread and decided to give it a try, all together it cost me roughly $25 and took me about an hour. I put the two unrooted clones that had been in root riots for three weeks and 2 new cuttings into the new bubble cloner, 7 days later all cuttings had roots!

Can't recommend this method of cloning enough. :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[hudson88]

Just a couple of questions bozo

Have you took the temp of the res? I was under the impression below 70F was good for your res generally would you say it should be a little higher for cloning? It was a pretty hot week when i was cloning and my res temp got to around 80F with no problems.

Do you bother with a rooting gel/powder? I used some but i was wondering if it's a waste as it'll probably get washed off pretty quick.

Oh and by the way I told a guy about this on another site and he's just had 100% success with it.

[justanotherbozo]

Just a couple of questions bozo

Have you took the temp of the res? I was under the impression below 70F was good for your res generally would you say it should be a little higher for cloning? It was a pretty hot week when i was cloning and my res temp got to around 80F with no problems.

for cloning you want the res a little warm, not hot, but not cold either, mine runs around 75 degrees mostly


Do you bother with a rooting gel/powder? I used some but i was wondering if it's a waste as it'll probably get washed off pretty quick.

and no, i no longer bother with rooting hormones (i've got a brand new 2 oz jar of Rootech that i bought before i made the cloner)
both the ThriveAlive and the Superthrive are for root development and, so far at least, i haven't needed anything else



Oh and by the way I told a guy about this on another site and he's just had 100% success with it.


and cool, spread it around, shit man, all i did was to apply the principles i learned while reading every thread i could find on cloning

[McDanger]

what would be your recommendations on pumps and airstones?
I would also like to aerate another res with the same air pump

[justanotherbozo]

what would be your recommendations on pumps and airstones?
I would also like to aerate another res with the same air pump

one of these, with the dual outlets, even the small one would probably work

Organically Grown EcoPlus Air Pumps (http://estore.websitepros.com/1695418/Detail.bok?no=233)

or one of these, i'd go with the 40 or above (these are available at Walmart and almost any pet store)

Product Catalog (http://www.tetra-fish.com/sites/tetrafish/catalog/productcategory.aspx?id=1276&cid=3122)

i bought one of these also and liked it a lot, very quiet and blows a lot of bubbles

Aquatic Gardens Double Outlet Hi-tech Air Pumps at PETCO (http://www.petco.com/shop/product.aspx?familyid=102224&cm_ven=GoogleBase&cm_cat=Fish&cm_pla=Aquatic%20Gardens&cm_ite=329061&CAWELAID=201378430)

in truth, any air pump rated for a fish tank bigger than your res size will work, i'd suggest you get the biggest one you can afford
i didn't, starting with a 20 gallon, single outlet pump.

since then i have bought 3 other bigger pumps until i bought this one rated to run 16 waterfarms
Organically Grown Dual Diaphragm Air Pump (http://estore.websitepros.com/1695418/Detail.bok?no=234)
this thing blows some air man, lol

anyway, i use the small 20 gallon single outlet pump to run my cloner only, all other pumps are running multiple DWC's

[McDanger]

here is another big thank you for this thread. I had 4 clones taken on 6/19 that were in r/w and lookin about dead when I moved them to the bubbler, now they all are rooting and I took 4 more on 6/25 and all 4 are starting to show roots. This thing works great.
P.S. this was my 1st attempt at cloning.

[McDanger]

sorry for the repeat, it looked like it wasn't working

[polishpollack]

this thread was exactly what i've been waiting for. I've heard of cloning machines but either didn't want to spend too much or didn't trust that they work. My local shop sells them for too much. I didn't see the need to spend close to $100 on plastic. Now I can make my own, thanks to this. Great job justabozo.

[the image reaper]

great thread, very well done :thumbsup:

[polishpollack]

I do have a question - what do you use to put holes in the lid? Is it like a two inch round drill bit, the circular ones with teeth?

[justanotherbozo]

sorry i'm been less than attentive, i've been dealing with some personal problems and also with mites here in the real.

anyway, thank you all for the props, although all i did was to apply the principles i've learned doing a LOT of research. anyways, thanks

and McDanger, i'm glad it works as well for you as it does for me.

and polish, i used a 1inch hole saw, if you have 2 inch neoprene inserts, you can use a 2 inch saw,
lol, i know a guy who makes his inserts out of flip-flops (that would be shower shoes, or beach shoes, the flimsy rubber kind)
if you use pipe wrap like i did, a 1 inch hole saw will work.

and thanks for the thumbs up reap! (i've learned a thing or two from you dude)

[maxrun427]

This sounds like a great idea! I was wondering how people change
the water in their DWC setup or a bubbler cloner?

[italian04]

wht is the ph of the water. still 5.8-6.2?

[justanotherbozo]

honestly italian, i don't know what the ph is, i have no meter to check it.

and maxrun, if the how of it is really what you want to know,
the easiest way is to have an extra bin to put the plant filled
lid from one bin onto the extra bin while you then empty and clean
the original bin. then just put the plant filled lid back on the
original bin.
if your question is more toward how often, i'd say every 2 weeks
to every 10 days.

[italian04]

im just not sure on what size i should trim from the plant for my clone. the ones in your pics look pretty big. i was trying to stay on the small side but the stems would barely touch the water.

[hudson88]

Hey italian,

I've used this method with small cuttings and it works great, i'd say mine were no bigger than 3". As for them barely touching the water, that's just what you want, i have my stems around 1/4" from the water. i think, correct me if i'm wrong bozo, but i think bozo has his stems a little further away from the water than that, (the airstone makes the water spit up and onto the stem) so you shouldn't have any problems with them not being big enough, obviously you don't want to be taking crappy little 1" cuts, but my crappy little 2.5" cuts rooted just fine ;)

Good luck!

e2a - Check out the first few pages of bozo's imaginary garden, it'll give you more of an idea how it works.

[justanotherbozo]

Hey italian,

I've used this method with small cuttings and it works great, i'd say mine were no bigger than 3". As for them barely touching the water, that's just what you want, i have my stems around 1/4" from the water. i think, correct me if i'm wrong bozo, but i think bozo has his stems a little further away from the water than that, (the airstone makes the water spit up and onto the stem) so you shouldn't have any problems with them not being big enough, obviously you don't want to be taking crappy little 1" cuts, but my crappy little 2.5" cuts rooted just fine ;)

Good luck!

e2a - Check out the first few pages of bozo's imaginary garden, it'll give you more of an idea how it works.

thanks hudson, and you're right, your cuttings can be pretty
darn small, as long as the bubbling water splash's the
stems, within about a week, you get roots. and, you can
make some very small cuts take root in a bubble cloner.

when you put your cuts in the cloner, some will be close to
the water and some will be barely sticking below the lid, all you really
need to worry about is that the exposed stem is getting wet.

anyway, there are many different ways to root clones. i chose
this way because of the speed with which the cuts take root and
also the simplicity of the design. it has been working for me very
well so far so i don't think i'll be changing any time soon.

so good luck to you all, i hope this works as well for you as
it has for me.

[SimonSaysSmoke]

Did you dip those cuttings into a clone gel of some sort before you stuck them into the pipe insulation and fire that bad boy up?

[hudson88]

Did you dip those cuttings into a clone gel of some sort before you stuck them into the pipe insulation and fire that bad boy up?

Hope you don't mind me answering this one for you bozo, tell me to feck off if i'm pushing in on your thread lol

I asked bozo if he uses a rooting gel/powder, his reply was this, " i no longer bother with rooting hormones (i've got a brand new 2 oz jar of Rootech that i bought before i made the cloner)
both the ThriveAlive and the Superthrive are for root development and, so far at least, i haven't needed anything else"

BTW I use a little formulex in my cloner and that seems to work ok too.

Oh and i just noticed a question from italian regarding ph and bozo said he doesn't check his. I left my cuttings in the bubble cloner for around 2 weeks if i remember correctly, (they were growing so quick i thought i'd leave them in it till their roots started to get tangled) a couple of days before i transplanted to soil the clones started getting a couple of brown spots which i think was ph related.

So from my experience i think that they'll root without any problems with plain tap water (ph somewhere around 7, thats what mine is) but after they've grown some decent roots and fast growth starts on the leaves then you need to ph your water down to around 6.0.

[SimonSaysSmoke]

Ah must have missed it, thank you very much. :thumbsup:

[italian04]

word. great thread this is!!! props bozo and friends

[SimonSaysSmoke]

Im going to be attempting to build one of these for a friend, great thread. Let me try to get this straight though please :jointsmile: ... I get his cuttings, dip them in the (dip n grow if i want to), stick them in the pipe insulation, do a drop of superthrive, fire the box up w/ the airstones and just wait for roots?? Easy as that? I was just wondering the best process step by step so i dont mess his stuff up when we try to attempt this ;) .. Also, what have you all experienced is the best light for the clones? Do you leave them in the dark for a few days then maybe a CFL or T12 flourescent? Im sure it's somewhere but i'd really like to know what is best to be done. Thank you guys very much :thumbsup:

[ombudsman]

What do you use to hold your air stones down? My airstones have a habbit of flying all over the place inside the reservoir. I've thought about plumbers putty, but I'm afraid of the chemicals leaching into the res water. Two sided tape didn't seem to work either. Just curious. Great thread by the way. I just wasted so much time duct taping my res... If only I'd bought a black tub from the get go. LOL. ;)

[McDanger]

What do you use to hold your air stones down? My airstones have a habbit of flying all over the place inside the reservoir. I've thought about plumbers putty, but I'm afraid of the chemicals leaching into the res water. Two sided tape didn't seem to work either. Just curious. Great thread by the way. I just wasted so much time duct taping my res... If only I'd bought a black tub from the get go. LOL. ;)

I used silicone caulk. Just let it dry before you start it up. Works great.

[hudson88]

Im going to be attempting to build one of these for a friend, great thread. Let me try to get this straight though please :jointsmile: ... I get his cuttings, dip them in the (dip n grow if i want to), stick them in the pipe insulation, do a drop of superthrive, fire the box up w/ the airstones and just wait for roots?? Easy as that? I was just wondering the best process step by step so i dont mess his stuff up when we try to attempt this ;) .. Also, what have you all experienced is the best light for the clones? Do you leave them in the dark for a few days then maybe a CFL or T12 flourescent? Im sure it's somewhere but i'd really like to know what is best to be done. Thank you guys very much :thumbsup:

Hey SSS,

Yeah that's pretty much it, don't worry too much about adding stuff, bozo and I don't bother dipping them in anything, bozo has a couple of things he likes to add to his water and i like a little bit of formulex in mine but i'm sure they'd root without it, just make sure you don't overdo it and you're stems ain't too far away from the water and you'll be good.

As for the light while they're rooting you shouldn't give them too strong a light, i like to keep mine about 8" away from a 125w enviro (cfl) and that seems to be about right. Personally i have them under it 18/6 but i'm pretty sure stinky advises 24/0 for clones and i'm not gonna argue with the stinkster :asskick:

Can't say i've heard much about leaving them in the dark for a few days, i guess the thought is lack of light will make them concentrate on rooting? Mine go straight under the light, but i do cut the ends of any big leaves (that encourages them to root).

[SimonSaysSmoke]

Thank you very much guys :jointsmile: . This has been a very helpful thread :thumbsup:

[jordas]

Yes, very informative......thanks!

[elskeetro]

Bozo,

I'm really glad i found this thread.

I've been thinking about doing a perpetual SOG but i've been worried about having constant clones. Currently i use rapid rooter plugs and have only about a 50% success rate. I built a cloner like this once but it didn't work well at all...this thread inspired me to try it again.

Do you have some pics you could post of a fresh cutting when it's cut, how big it is when you put it into flower, then towards the end of flowering. I'm not clear on how big of clones i should be taking to give me a decent yield in flower. The clones i take now are kinda small. A lot of people say to put them in 12/12 as soon as they are rooted...but if i put these lil' girls into flower as soon as they root, i don't think it would work out that well...

hopefully that made sense...thanks bozo. great thread

Skeet.

[danlboy]

I read this through this morning and decided I needed to take the next step and clone! Thanks for the great plan, best I have seen so far. I ran up to Lowes and got the same 2 gallon bin. I will be using 31 gallon bin for a "chamber" placing the 2 gal bin in the 31 gal. Im pretty small scale and would only have 4-6 clones at a time, my grow cab is pretty small (homegrown hydroponics mini-stealth) but Ive had great luck, just too many males. I wanted to ask about lighting for my setup, I have a 12 5/8 inch T5 florescent would that be enough or should I add a second? I attached a photo of probable set up, would suspend the mini T5 from the top of the 31 gal bin. also plan on lining bin with reflective material.
Thanks

[elskeetro]

That should be enough light for clones. If you are planning on vegging and flowering in that tub i would highly suggest getting some more of those T5s or some CFLs.

Bozo - Thanks for the idea of using pipe insulation. I was gonna buy a load of rubber gardening mats and cut the plugs out of those. But instead i bought $2 worth of pipe insulation and in 10 minutes i had 150 plugs. GENIUS!

Thanks
Skeet

[hudson88]

Bozo,

I'm really glad i found this thread.

I've been thinking about doing a perpetual SOG but i've been worried about having constant clones.................................
Do you have some pics you could post of a fresh cutting when it's cut, how big it is when you put it into flower, then towards the end of flowering. I'm not clear on how big of clones i should be taking to give me a decent yield in flower. The clones i take now are kinda small. A lot of people say to put them in 12/12 as soon as they are rooted...but if i put these lil' girls into flower as soon as they root, i don't think it would work out that well...

Skeet.

Hey skeet, i've not seen bozo around for a while so thought i'd try to help out.

I find pretty small cuttings root ok, most of the cuttings I take are between 2-3" i guess so don't worry about waiting for shoots to get big before cutting, the smallest cuttings can turn into monsters with a little veg ;)

The size of the clone when you put it into flower will determine it's yield, as you say some growers will put them into flower as soon as they root (they'll probably be packing them in pretty tight say 4 to a sq ft) while others will give a couple weeks veg and will only be able to get 1 plant per sq foot. It all depends on how you want to grow.

Hope that helps. :rastasmoke:


I wanted to ask about lighting for my setup, I have a 12 5/8 inch T5 florescent would that be enough or should I add a second? I attached a photo of probable set up, would suspend the mini T5 from the top of the 31 gal bin. also plan on lining bin with reflective material.
Thanks

You don't need much light to clone so you should be ok with what you've got, however i must add i've no experience with that particular type of light.


Bozo - Thanks for the idea of using pipe insulation. I was gonna buy a load of rubber gardening mats and cut the plugs out of those. But instead i bought $2 worth of pipe insulation and in 10 minutes i had 150 plugs. GENIUS!

Thanks
Skeet

I'm sure bozo will be happy he's helped all us lot with our cloning, cheers bozo, hope all is well with you and we see you around here soon :thumbsup:

[420F4i]

BUMP for a really great thread.

Ive been working on a similar setup, but I think im gonna switch to this. I have 2 questions for anyone thats built one, both having to do with the air supply..

1. I went around to a couple of pet stores to get a pump. All I found was battery operated pumps. Is that what you guys are using? I dont like changing (and buying lol) batteries every so often. I want a pump that I can plug in.

2. The T fitting.. I cant find one small enough. Lowes and HD carry a 1/4" nylon T, but the 1/4" hose wont fit over it. They dont sell any smaller T's, the 2 pet stores i went to dont either, they reccomended buying another pump for $12 (of course).
Should I just get the hose warm enough to stretch it over the fittings?

[justanotherbozo]

BUMP for a really great thread.

Ive been working on a similar setup, but I think im gonna switch to this. I have 2 questions for anyone thats built one, both having to do with the air supply..

1. I went around to a couple of pet stores to get a pump. All I found was battery operated pumps. Is that what you guys are using? I dont like changing (and buying lol) batteries every so often. I want a pump that I can plug in.

2. The T fitting.. I cant find one small enough. Lowes and HD carry a 1/4" nylon T, but the 1/4" hose wont fit over it. They dont sell any smaller T's, the 2 pet stores i went to dont either, they reccomended buying another pump for $12 (of course).
Should I just get the hose warm enough to stretch it over the fittings?


first i'd like to apologize to all who have posted here in the last month or so.

i've been suffering financial difficulties as well as having to make funeral
arrangements for my last computer, a very sad day and an added burden.


anyway, as to your questions 420F4i, first, no, don't get the battery operated
models, heres a couple of different models that you should be able to find at
stores like PetSmart, PetCo, Kmart, Walmart, etc., etc., etc....

you should be able to find the fittings there as well and this stuff should be
really easy to find locally.

here's a link to bghydro but again, this should be easy to find locally

BetterGrow Hydro Online - EcoPlus Air Pumps (http://www.bghydro.com/Bgh/itemMatrix.asp?GroupCode=HPAEP0&MatrixType=1)


if you're just looking to aerate a cloner a 20 gallon pump will be fine.
it'll probably cost around $15.00, maybe less

[justanotherbozo]

i want to thank hudson88 for helping out while the real world was
busy dumping on me.

that's what makes this site so great, that spirit of sharing that
makes someone step in to help the noob's.

Kudos to you my friend and all of your answers were spot on
in my opinion.

[elskeetro]

I have been using Topfin XP-125 exclusively. I have 4 of them bubbling through all my buckets. they have 2 outlets and are strong enough to do the job well. They are about $20 at petsmart.

For those looking for the ultra cheap...i hate their business model and try to avoid them at all costs...but WalMart has some very nice pumps that they sell for $5 and $10 so i had to get a few back-ups. The $5 is a single outlet only suitable for a single airstone (or a few of the tiny ones) and the $10 model has 2 outlets and can handle 2 5" airstones with no problem.

I don't recall the brand...they are gray and "aqua-something". Oh! the other great thing is they come with free valve checks!!!

You can see 2 of the $5 ones in these photos.
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thanks
Skeet.

[justanotherbozo]

I have been using Topfin XP-125 exclusively. I have 4 of them bubbling through all my buckets. they have 2 outlets and are strong enough to do the job well. They are about $20 at petsmart.

For those looking for the ultra cheap...i hate their business model and try to avoid them at all costs...but WalMart has some very nice pumps that they sell for $5 and $10 so i had to get a few back-ups. The $5 is a single outlet only suitable for a single airstone (or a few of the tiny ones) and the $10 model has 2 outlets and can handle 2 5" airstones with no problem.

I don't recall the brand...they are gray and "aqua-something". Oh! the other great thing is they come with free valve checks!!!

You can see 2 of the $5 ones in these photos.
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thanks
Skeet.


i agree completely that Walmart sucks, they're killing small business'
across the globe.

that being said, i agree also that, if you're broke, that's the place to
find a pump for cheap.

if you can, buy it at a local pet store, support your local
economy rather than some huge, multi-national Mega-Lo-Mart.

i would also suggest to those that are still shopping that more bubbles
is a good thing so leave the $5.00 pumps in the store and buy one that's
bigger than you think you need. oddly enough, you may find a use for the
extra bubbles

[d4twamp]

Bozo & Skeet have it right don't spend your money at Wal - Mart...I worked in their Distribution Division for a decade :cursing:and know to much about their inner workings, to want to give them my hard earned dollars even with an employee discount...I DO NOT shop there at all...If the American :edit: International consumers would open their eyes and see how much Wal Marts business model has hurt Our countries economy... maybe they would even follow suit and stop contributing to the demise of our countries financial future...IMHO...

So to answer whoever's question get your air pump somewhere other than that smiley faced tyrant, no matter how much you save....You just might help save America as we use to know it...

My name is D4twamp and I approve this message....

[justanotherbozo]

Bozo & Skeet have it right don't spend your money at Wal - Mart...I worked in their Distribution Division for a decade :cursing:and know to much about their inner workings, to want to give them my hard earned dollars even with an employee discount...I DO NOT shop there at all...If the American :edit: International consumers would open their eyes and see how much Wal Marts business model has hurt Our countries economy... maybe they would even follow suit and stop contributing to the demise of our countries financial future...IMHO...

So to answer whoever's question get your air pump somewhere other than that smiley faced tyrant, no matter how much you save....You just might help save America as we use to know it...

My name is D4twamp and I approve this message....


lol, it's so good to see that we agree on something DB, and lets not forget
how much business they do in China, a country known for it's human rights
abuses

[420F4i]

Found a nice T and a plug in pump tonight. They only had 2 sizes of pumps, both with only one port. I bought the bigger one. Time to test it out.



We all hate walmart. I dont go there mainly because its always crowded and I dont have the time (attention span lol) to wait on line for more than a couple minutes.

[justanotherbozo]

Found a nice T and a plug in pump tonight. They only had 2 sizes of pumps, both with only one port. I bought the bigger one. Time to test it out.



We all hate walmart. I dont go there mainly because its always crowded and I dont have the time (attention span lol) to wait on line for more than a couple minutes.


actively choose not to shop there out of principle, supporting your local
economy rather than huge business interests located elsewhere.

as to the pump, i'm sure it'll be fine, that will become the dedicated 'cloner
pump'. and you were right to get the bigger one, the more bubbles the better

[d4twamp]

lol, it's so good to see that we agree on something DB, and lets not forget
how much business they do in China, a country known for it's human rights
abuses

Lotta business in China, matter of fact Wal Mart is China's biggest export...If Wal Mart was a country it would be number 3 under the U.S. and China financially...and what they've done to the companys/vendors supplying their shelves is horrible...enough with my rambling...They say it's the American way....

Bozo- do you have the air pump in the bubble cloner on a timer or leave it on 24/7...

D:jointsmile:

[headshake]

good stuff bozo! soon as i get my rig up and running proper-like i'll be building one of these puppies.

not only does walmart do business with china but it makes back room deals that are against all sorts of trade agreements! it's hard for people to stand for something when they are constantly being nagged by there wallet.

i definately believe in supporting small/local business!!! but it's 0153 here and everything else is closed....so i guess it's off to walmart! just kidding.

-shake

[justanotherbozo]

good stuff bozo! soon as i get my rig up and running proper-like i'll be building one of these puppies.

not only does walmart do business with china but it makes back room deals that are against all sorts of trade agreements! it's hard for people to stand for something when they are constantly being nagged by there wallet.

i definately believe in supporting small/local business!!! but it's 0153 here and everything else is closed....so i guess it's off to walmart! just kidding.

-shake


lol

[d4twamp]

Bozo here are some pics of my cloner I made based on reading your thread awhile back... built this thing awhile ago and it still hasn't been put into service...

thanx for your contribution to my own knowledge base...:thumbsup:

D:jointsmile:

[justanotherbozo]

Bozo here are some pics of my cloner I made based on reading your thread awhile back... built this thing awhile ago and it still hasn't been put into service...

thanx for your contribution to my own knowledge base...:thumbsup:

D:jointsmile:

you're very welcome and thank you for your kind words of recognition,
it nice hearing them from someone i respect as much as i do you and
your pal WT.

when you're ready to use that thing it will work like a charm, i can
tell just by looking at the pics!

[d4twamp]

it's a lot smaller than your cloner but it should do the trick...

How do you run your air pump 24/7 or on a timer...

D:smokebong:

[justanotherbozo]

it's a lot smaller than your cloner but it should do the trick...

How do you run your air pump 24/7 or on a timer...

D:smokebong:

it actually looks to be close to the same size. mine has a 2 gallon
res and room for 18 cuts so not too much bigger.

and i run the pump 24\7.

btw, the only thing i see that i did different was that i made a hole
for the air line in the side of the bin rather than through the top,
so i could remove the top without having to mess with that air line.

lol, also btw, how are you generating rooted cuts for yourself now?

[d4twamp]

it actually looks to be close to the same size. mine has a 2 gallon
res and room for 18 cuts so not too much bigger.

and i run the pump 24\7.

btw, the only thing i see that i did different was that i made a hole
for the air line in the side of the bin rather than through the top,
so i could remove the top without having to mess with that air line.

lol, also btw, how are you generating rooted cuts for yourself now?

Bozo,
Good thinking on the air line placement...To answer your other question I'm not generating any cuts as of now, I've closed up shop until I can make some mods to the space, until the $ is better it looks like I'll be here on the side lines watching...In the past I've rooted the regular way in propagation trays & plugs... Used RW at first then switched to the Oasis cubes and I like the Oasis alot better...

I actually tried cloning some roses for my wife in the cloner but they didn't root, they either slumped over and died or just dried out...lol...probably different requirements for rooting roses then cannabis...

D

[justanotherbozo]

Bozo,
Good thinking on the air line placement...To answer your other question I'm not generating any cuts as of now, I've closed up shop until I can make some mods to the space, until the $ is better it looks like I'll be here on the side lines watching...In the past I've rooted the regular way in propagation trays & plugs... Used RW at first then switched to the Oasis cubes and I like the Oasis alot better...

I actually tried cloning some roses for my wife in the cloner but they didn't root, they either slumped over and died or just dried out...lol...probably different requirements for rooting roses then cannabis...

D


yeah, i think rooting any flower would be difficult, try a pothos
for a trial run ,they root really easy

[Pinkfloydfan1973]

Great thread Bozo...

Do you use an anti-wilting spray of any sort, or a dome?

[justanotherbozo]

Great thread Bozo...

Do you use an anti-wilting spray of any sort, or a dome?

nah, no need

[d4twamp]

Bozo your back what happened... I thought we lost ya

[justanotherbozo]

Bozo your back what happened... I thought we lost ya

lol, almost i think.

lol, i seem to have a knack for pissin' people off.

lol, i think i need to avoid some subjects, just stay in my little office.

[headshake]

glad you're back bozo! i've done some serious revamping. check out the log. lord knows i need the advice.

-shake

[stinkybudz]

how do you get the cords in their? drill a hole and then caulk around the cord?

[disrupt86]

don't use cocking!!! use aquarium silicone .i haven't had a chance to use mine yet ,but i got bored one day and decided to do it.took about 10 min and i had a good time. this idea was really cool and i think its going to help out a lot. thanks man for making this thread:thumbsup:

[justanotherbozo]

don't use cocking!!! use aquarium silicone .i haven't had a chance to use mine yet ,but i got bored one day and decided to do it.took about 10 min and i had a good time. this idea was really cool and i think its going to help out a lot. thanks man for making this thread:thumbsup:


you're welcome man, i'm just passin' on what i learned here.

lol, just tryin' to spread the love!

[surfmania28]

The home made bubble cloner is a little box of magic.
Tried peat pellets and rockwool with no sucess.
Built it in a couple of hours.
Decided to test it out with something else before hacking away at my would be mother plants.
Since i live in an apartment, i went for a stroll and ripped off a few random branches from someones tomato and an unknown shrub, thinking if these root then its a sure thing. They were stuffed in my pockets for a good ten minutes before i sliced them and put them in.
Wouldn't you believe it but 6 days later the roots are a couple of mm long.
The hardest part was cutting the holes in the plastic lid without taking a finger off.
Once its set up you dont need to touch it.
Used a couple of drops of a Japanese product called mendael in the water (like superthrive)
Clean, convienient, awesome.
Thanks Bozo.
Will be taking the real cuttings tomorrow, can't wait.:thumbsup:

[justanotherbozo]

The home made bubble cloner is a little box of magic.
Tried peat pellets and rockwool with no sucess.
Built it in a couple of hours.
Decided to test it out with something else before hacking away at my would be mother plants.
Since i live in an apartment, i went for a stroll and ripped off a few random branches from someones tomato and an unknown shrub, thinking if these root then its a sure thing. They were stuffed in my pockets for a good ten minutes before i sliced them and put them in.
Wouldn't you believe it but 6 days later the roots are a couple of mm long.
The hardest part was cutting the holes in the plastic lid without taking a finger off.
Once its set up you dont need to touch it.
Used a couple of drops of a Japanese product called mendael in the water (like superthrive)
Clean, convienient, awesome.
Thanks Bozo.
Will be taking the real cuttings tomorrow, can't wait.:thumbsup:

you're welcome man, i'm glad it's working as well for you as it does for me.
lol, it's like having a $400.00 dollar EZ-cloner for a paltry $20.00 - $25.00.

[d4twamp]

I 2nd that...

[jkalb42]

I've been reading your posts, and I'd like to say thank you so much, you've helped me immensely. The only other question I have: you keep your cloning pump on 24/7. What are the hours on your hydro system pump?

[justanotherbozo]

I've been reading your posts, and I'd like to say thank you so much, you've helped me immensely. The only other question I have: you keep your cloning pump on 24/7. What are the hours on your hydro system pump?

hello and you're welcome, i'm glad my efforts have helped you as i'm sure
your efforts will help others. as to your question, i run those pumps 24\7
as well to deliver a constant supply of oxygen to the roots, this is very
important to your plants.

[justanotherbozo]

high guy's and gal's, just wanted to say that i'm experiencing financial
difficulties again in the real world which have temporarily cost me my
connection. which means i'll only be around sporadically until i can work
something out. shit almost makes me want to start a commercial op, lol.

anyway, on the plus side, i've been in negotiations with the boutique
regarding a lost shipment and, while he isn't willing to resend, he is
willing to send me a couple of freebie packs
plus, i got the confirmation e-mail today regarding my second attempt
to get beans and they say they have shipped my order of regular
AK-47, White Rhino and Pure Power Plant plus the freebie which is
supposed to be a Mazar Afghan cross.

WOOT WOOT woot? (damn, i hope they come, lol)

God willin' n' da creek don't rise, i'll be startin a new, multi-strain thread
real soon. wish me luck!

[headshake]

hope the beans come through bozo. and i'm sorry to hear about your finacial difficulties.
i can't wait to check out the grow if/when the beans get there. i think me and my brother are about to put together a couple of strain hydro grow too.

anyhow lookin forward to the log.

-shake

[yourbuddies]

Thanks for the awsome write up.

I have one quick question.....

When you are transfering the new babies to the Hygromite the roots are not out of the basket yet so how do you ensure they are getting watered once in the new veg bubbler (since roots are not in the res water yet)? Will the bubbles take care of that?

Thanks!!!:thumbsup:

[purplehaze11]

Question:

What has everyone found to be the best support for the clones in the system? Are those just strips of foam that you use in yours bozo?

Also about how big of a container and how many clones would fit with an airpump that is rated for a 60 gallon aquarium?

[headshake]

Thanks for the awsome write up.

I have one quick question.....

When you are transfering the new babies to the Hygromite the roots are not out of the basket yet so how do you ensure they are getting watered once in the new veg bubbler (since roots are not in the res water yet)? Will the bubbles take care of that?

Thanks!!!:thumbsup:

your buddies, bozo said he won't be here often for a while so let me try to answer your question for you. you can either hand water until the roots hit the nutes or you can set up a drip system to do it for you until the roots hit the nutes.


What has everyone found to be the best support for the clones in the system? Are those just strips of foam that you use in yours bozo?

he just uses foam insulation for pipes (i think) and cuts it lengthwise so it's open and easier to get the plants out when time. and he obviously cuts them into little pucks. he uses them so the clones don't fall in the res.


Also about how big of a container and how many clones would fit with an airpump that is rated for a 60 gallon aquarium?

you are more limited by the size of container that you use. you can't really have too much air. just put them evenly spaced across the top of your box. he gets like 20 or so i believe. (i'm too lazy to go back and read.)

hope this helps.

bozo, didn't mean to step on your toes, just trying to help out while you are away....so get your a$$ back!

-shake

[the image reaper]

sorry to back-track, but in one of your early posts, you mentioned the 'Hygromite' ... is it as good as their website's pics demonstrate ? ... I haven't found anybody that uses it, to question, yet ... none of the local hydro stores stock it, and the freight charges kept me from ordering it, until I know more ... thx :smokin:

[TurboALLWD]

Just wanted to say I made this exact bubble cloner, and it works amazingly well. So far i've rooted 6 out of 8 clones and the other 2 are starting to show signs of roots. IT WORKS! I ended up putting the stems in the water, thinking it wasn't working but who knows, it seems to work both ways. pics are in my grow log! bubble gum getting hairy!

[d4twamp]

sorry to back-track, but in one of your early posts, you mentioned the 'Hygromite' ... is it as good as their website's pics demonstrate ? ... I haven't found anybody that uses it, to question, yet ... none of the local hydro stores stock it, and the freight charges kept me from ordering it, until I know more ... thx :smokin:

TIR, talk to WH she uses higromite and she loves it, if my memory serves me right... She'll be able to answer some of those ?'s....I know she does, prefer it over hydroton...

And Purplehaze I went to the hydro store and got some EZ cloner neoprene collars less than 50 cents a piece, and they work great...or the insulation works too...

[justanotherbozo]

high everybody, just wanted to let you know i'm back, lol, until my
next crisis.

and -shake, thanks for steppin' in and takin' up the slack while i was
'away', it's nice to see that there's someone still answering the noob's
questions.

as to the collars i use to hold my cuts. what i did was get a length of
pipe-wrap insulation, the kind that comes in 5 foot lengths with a split
down the middle so you can wrap it around a hot water pipe. (they cost
about $1.00 - $2.00 per 5 foot length and they come in different diameters,
get the small ones)
then, i just cut that into 1 inch pieces and i wrap those pieces around
each of my cuts and stick them into the 1 inch holes i drilled into the
top of my cloner, easy as pie and cheap as hell.

and reaper, good to see ya. anyway, i think doughboy's right, i'm pretty
sure it's weedhound that is actually using hygromite. (i'm back playing in
the dirt again right now). i'm pretty sure Stinky is familiar with it too.

if i remember correctly, i liked the hygromite because it's ph neutral right
out of the bag, plus, i believe it also leachs (not the right word i'm sure)
minute amounts of silica to help promote cell wall strength.

i also wanted to say that my beans arrived so look for a new bozo thread
coming soon to a forum near you! (i've got 5 PPP's and 5 White Rhino's
germinating as we speak)

[headshake]

glad you are back bozo! hope you don't run into anymore hardships! can't wait for the new log.

i was trying to hold it down.

-shake

[bluntman2006]

i know its been awhile for this tread,which is an excellent one but,can anyone tell me if can use the root hormone with this system because I don't have the super-thrive yet

[LOC NAR on probation]

Yes use it. The gell is better but powder is good too get a start.

[wraithe]

This hasn't been said enough THANK YOU I was considering buying an EZ Cloner once my state license comes through but this guide sounds awesome. Thank you for taking the time to help someone like me save $200.

[smello]

thanks bozo, this is a real money saver.I am in the process of making one now!

[bloodbrother]

awesome awwesomewesome this is just what i was looking for!!

so do you leave the clones uncovered or do you still cover them to keep humidity?

EDIT: Ok I read thru post and answered my own question my badd.. But still thanks somuch I really needed something like this im tired of cloning with peat pellets in a humidity dome with shitty success rate and more often then not wilting problems.

[Skihigh]

Hey Y'all!
What a kick-ass thread.
I 've had a very similar rig set up ...tried it once with no success.
After going thru this thread, I think I'll try it again.
Just one questtion I'd like to ask...I gotta quart jug of Olivia's cloning solution that's just sittin' around taking up space...Do y'all think it would it help or hinder putting some into the cloner? If so, at what mix? Prolly a dumb question but I got the stuff and feel a need to use it before it goes to shit..Kind of a waste not want not child of the poor thing I was raised with.
Peace, Love and Light to All!.....J

[bloodbrother]

Use the cloning solution as directed on bottle. I use gel on the clones before putting in bubble cloner seems to work.

[Vancefish]

Aye aye on the great post.

I've read alot about cloning and also noticed about a week ago that many of the cloners people are selling on ebay are basically this cloner (or at least very similar and home made). Glad I finally gathered some real info on it.

As for me inputting anything...

Always use aquarium silicone when dealing with living things, especially if you plan to consume them/it. Regular silicone caulking can outgas for MANY months. Where as aquarium silicone only outgases a few days. Even then the gases are far less harmful. Unless you plan to cure the cloner for say,.. a year!

I also have a suggestion for holding down the airstones. I keep a reef aquarium and buy an epoxy at my local aquarium shops which is completely reef safe, drys under water and has no harmful effects on my corals, clams, shrimp, sea cuccumber or any other thing living in there. It dries VERY quickly and can be used in the running aquarium to glue down live corals, glue rocks together or any other thing (like smuthering an aptasia). It comes in a stick. You cut off the size chunk you will use, mush the inner and outer layers together, then stick it on whatever your sticking it on. I've even used it to make handles on my glass top over eight years ago and it's still there. Being this stuff hardens into basically a rock, you could either epoxy it to the bottom of the bin or just make stone beads to slip over the lines for added weight.

Again great thread,... WHY ISN'T THIS A STICKY??:thumbsup:

[Skihigh]

Tried the bubbler again 12/10/09.Took 6 cuttings and already have a 50/50/ sucess rate...eeeehaaa!!!Thanks a bunch, my freinds......J

[Skihigh]

I looked this morning and find that I have 6 out of 6 cuttings nicely rooting!Now I gotta figure out where I'm gonna put it all.....Yahoo!!!

[frostedwonder]

So after reading this thread almost a year ago I finally am making a cloner for myself. I bought a big bag of Root Riot plugs last OCT08 and trying to use them up first, but that ain't going to happen cause I am not happy with the results I was getting. Thanks again for such a user friendly thread!

[carinia]

Amazing, exactly what I was looking for! I have tried something similarly cheap, but apparently I used just the wrong products. hah! Time to make this one, I hate these rockwool plugs. :)

[justanotherbozo]

hello folks, sorry i've not been around for a while but life has a way of
getting in the way sometimes.

anyway, i figured i'd post an update here in the interests of full disclosure
as i am no longer using my bubble cloner.

i switched to a simple wick-style cloner that i found on another forum that
i like better because it is simpler and cheaper while still giving me nearly a
100% success rate.

here are a few pics of a run that i let go for 17 days, just because i wanted
to slow them down some, what i mean is that i left them in for several days
longer than they needed to be left.

...and here is a link to the original thread.

World class cloner new at walmart - International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums (http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=42847)

[justanotherbozo]

...

[Vancefish]

odd you posted on here today.:D

I bought the air pump, hose, air stones and superthrive today. Plus visited 3 Home depots, two Lowes and one Walmart before coming home to do a web search for the black tub.

I planned to post that the container store now has them, but otherwise none of the others. :thumbsup:

Either way, still a great thread.

[martyrprojekt]

Leave it to Bozo to find this for us...THANK YOU SIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
These methods are always fun to learn!:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

[justanotherbozo]

odd you posted on here today.:D

I bought the air pump, hose, air stones and superthrive today. Plus visited 3 Home depots, two Lowes and one Walmart before coming home to do a web search for the black tub.

I planned to post that the container store now has them, but otherwise none of the others. :thumbsup:

Either way, still a great thread.


Leave it to Bozo to find this for us...THANK YOU SIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
These methods are always fun to learn!:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

thanks to you both and my apologies for not responding sooner,
i've been without access for quite a while now.

anyway, it looks like i have reliable access again so i hope
to begin participating again

[Anonymousm0nkey]

justanotherbozo, thanks for posting this information, it was exactly what I was looking for! I just built my system tonight, but instead of pipe insulation, I used one of those foam pool noodles as material. They sell them at the dollar store and make excellent plugs, and you get like, 8 feet of it for 1 buck :-)
Quick question for you or anyone who has used this system: I'm using a DWC right now and will be taking clones soon. The mother is a clone I obtained that was already rooted in rockwool. My question is, once my new clones grow roots using justanotherbozo's inatructions, do I then place the rooted clones inside a rockwool cube and then place in the hydroton/netpot? I can't figure out how the plant supports itself without being rooted inside a medium, and seeing the size of of some of those roots in the pics, I can't figure out how those long roots fit inside the rockwool.

[Prodaytrader]

I built something similar to this about 3 months ago and damn it if I am not having nasty problems. I have the exact same tub even, did you get at container store? At any rate I think what the problem is that my cups (I use 2" netcups and star collars) don't sit on the lid correctly and leave pin holes. Notice how the lid undulates up and down in channels? You will find that once the holes are cut, you wont have a clean surface for the netcup lid to sit on and as such pin holes and slits are left behind. I have plenty of panda film and created a nice sheet to lay over the lid before inserting the cups, but that doesn't seem to work all that well either. I orginally tried DWC in this system and was able to get some clones rooted and into my system but I had to cut their stay short for fear of algae. I was having to clean the system every 3 days.

The second I filled the cups with coco. I watered once a day with a timer and let the bubbler go for 15 minutes. Total failure. Coco cant handle that much water. Then I emptied the cups filled with half coco and hydroton and failed again. Coco again can not handle that much water. I have a 3 head disk fogger which worked pretty well as I recall when I attempted to grow in fog when I first started growing in general. I learned that mature plants aren't easily grown in fog but clones are I found. I recall vividly how quickly those plants started to sprout. Hopefully I can find a way to make this little box work with a fogger now.

Please forgive the ugliness of my closet. That area has been flooded before and caused water damage to the baseboards and what not. Too broke to fix it all.

[nswordfish]

Hey, not sure if this thread is still active but I've absorbed a lot from this thread. I was curious if folks had any luck without the Superthrive and/or Thrive Alive additives? Also, anyone using any Hydro nutrients as part of this? In short I'm curious if I can do without additives and, if so, should I bother with, say, 1/4 strength nutes.

Thanks!!
NS

[SmokeMyPiece]

I use Ph'd water only with fresh cut stems. In standing water will take about 2 weeks; With an airstone about 1 week. Superthrive will get em goin sooner.

[Slevinkal]

Hey all...

I know what I've made is pretty close to the same thing here but its still a bit diff, should I expect to see basically the same results if attended to properly?

I clipped the fan leaves back and let them heal before taking the clones and I dipped them in a cheap root hormone I got from a HGC. The bubble stone is 5" long and its pretty bubbly. LOL The clone stems hang down about 3/4" bellow the foam block they're in and also only about 3/4" from the water surface too. The water was adjusted to 6.2 and the only thing added was a little glob or rooting hormone that I mixed in well.

I put the clones on the bottom shelf to keep them out of direct light. Where they're at wont be too much or too little light will it?

:rastasmoke: And, WTF, if they die (i hope not) this was just an experiment anyhow, gotta learn sometimes...

[tinytoon]

I betting that is to dark for them

[Slevinkal]

I betting that is to dark for them

Really? I could drag em out from under the shelf a little more to up the light but I figured they were getting plenty until the roots show.

I'll give em a bit more light and keep a close eye on em.

:D Thanks