Jerry Garcia's Blue Widow, Blue Apollo, and Mystery Seed From Start to Finish

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

The package has arrived from Hemp Depot very discreatly and well protected from damage, I got 10 Blue Widow and 10 Blue Apollo seeds from Joey Weed.

The Blue Widow is obviously Blueberry (Male) x White Widow (Female F2) according to the info on the web site.

The Blue Apollo is a Cross of Blueberry (Male) x Apollo 11 (Female), Apollo 11 is a Cross of "Genius" From Brothers Grimm (Male) x C99 (Female) again according to the web site.

I am also growing out the rest of my mystery seeds from Holland a ways back hopefully they are not to old.

Just place 5 BW, 6 BA, and 5 Mystery seeds in damp paper towels and placed in individual zip lock baggies and placed them under my cable box for warmth.

[zebulon]

:woohoo: A new log....this gonna be great, but please, buy a camera....:jointsmile:

[SnSstealth]

good call on beans JG..... subscribed*
Whiskeytango

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

I was going to do an outdoor grow this summer but when it came time to move them I realized that there was no way to keep someone from seeing me move them to my vehical and got cold feet, I don't need anyone to see that and start getting suspicious when there is none to begin with and I want to keep it that way. So I took some cloans for moms and basicaly put them in suspended animation untill another time.

I decided to get some more genes going and try this Joey weed brand that are highly recomended on this site and some of the cleanest true genetics out there from what I have read, and you can't beat the price at $50.00 each @ 10 beans each. Seems to be the only Breeder that wants to keep the original genes going and only crosses with the best of the best and prides himself in doing that. Plus only charging 50 bucks and being consistantly sold out of the pure strains ( WW, AK, and others ) tells me this is the real thing and he just wants to sread the genes and cover his expences while not charging $200.00 + like some other breaders.

For heat reasons I moved my grow box to the basement and put in a better exaust system with a 180 CFM in line fan and I upgraded my light hood to a aircooled hydrofarm hood. This is then exausted to the outside so all the bulb heat will be immediatly removed from the grow box and the plants will remain at around 65 to 75 degree range.

Thanks for the rep SnStelth This grow should turn out to be my best yet now that I got some really good genetics. It is going to be tough to outdo my last grow though.

I am going to set my goal high for this grow since I passed my last grows goal of 2 Lbs. So I am going to shoot for 2.5 Lbs of dried Ganja. This is probably a little premature setting this due to it is going to be difficult to do this from seed, using new genetics that I have not grown yet, and I don't know the Female/Male ratio yet. BUT ONLY TIME WILL TELL:)

Zeb Thanks for subscibing you should be pleased to hear that with this grow and I am looking to buy a Real Digital Camera (12.2 MP) that will except my print camera lenses soon. In fact I am shopping for one online right now so everone will be able to see some supurb macro shots this time around.

Well I will be giving an update in about 24 hrs on the status of the beans.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Well everything is going extreamly well.

Blue Widow, 5 out of 5 beans popped, Blue Apollo 5 out of 6 beans popped, Mystery Seeds 4 out of 5 beans popped.

All are currently in 2.5 x 2.5 starter pots and under my 175w MH.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

No sprouts yet,

I feel I did pretty good, 14 cracked beans out of 16 the other 2 don't look like they are going to pop as the have not swollen, infact they look kind of shrivled. I am going to stay at 14 to start this grow and hope my female ratio is high with 7 or 8. I have space for 9 max, but that makes it cramped in the grow box duing flowering.

I am going to be using the Fox Farm nute program this grow again but I won't need that for around another 1.5 to 2 weeks. My soil mix for this grow is Miracle Grow Organic Choice soil (1 bag mixed with 1 bag of Miracle Grow perilite). Thats It!!
I try to keep it cheap and it works!!! I don't see the need for the Super Expensive FF soils if I can get over 2 lbs using the same mix last grow. In fact I am not going to change a thing this grow and see if I get the same results.

Well that is about it for todays update I will more than likely have srouts in the morning.

JG

[jessejames12345]

Hey man, good to have you back . I checked out the strains you chose and they are going to shine under your green thumb ;)

Pro mix all so makes a good (cheap) organic mix that you might want to check out one grow.

Peace:thumbsup:
JJ

[jakezking]

JG, it looks like we're in for one helluva ride on this log! I can't wait to see those lil' ladies take form. It sounds like they should be super sweet! I have had the opportunity to taste Blueberry a few times, and it is a smooth bud. I have not seen/tasted any crosses of it, and the strain crosses you identified above sound super appealing.

Good luck on your grow! Be good out there!

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

All right I f*cked up!!!

I went to check my seedlings this morning and had 5 breaking the soil and I was happy. Expecting more when I got home today and there were only 5 healthy sprouts again and no sign of more. So I started to inspect the pots for any signs of growth when I noticed a seed mixed in with the loose parilite. The seeds came out of their holes duing initial watering!!

So currently I have 3 Blue Widows and 2 Mystery seedlings going. THANK GOD ALL IS NOT LOST!!!! I do have reserve:) I am about to germinate 5 more Blue Apollo, 2 Blue Widow, and I just went thru my seed box and remembered I have some BC Big Bud seeds that were gifted to me. So they sound like a great replacement for my 3 mystery seeds. Just hope they have some quality behind them I never smoked the mama so this is going to be a shot in the dark.

Well I got to get these seeds going I keep you updated.

[Shovelhandle]

I have many little ways to germinate. I use a warm place to heat the soil (and I'll cover the soil with paper towel or saran wrap to keep the moisture stabilized. Either of these would help with them seeds gettin "stranded" out of their soil. Anyway, sounds like you had a close eye on them and everyting gonna be alright.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Well the seeds are in towels now and under my cable box, I did throw in an extra seed of BCBB just for female saftey reasons.

Looking back on it what happened was my last germination I felt I put the seeds in to deep and it took forever for the sprouts to emerge. So this time around I made the hole shallower and didn't pack the covering dirt down for fear of harming the seed and assuming during the addition of water the dirt would flow down the hole with the water and cover the seed.

OBVIOUSELY this does not happen. The seed floats out of the hole.

Well chalk this up to lesson learned,

[Shovelhandle]

like anything else, man. There's "the touch" <G>

Shov

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

I never thought of the seran wrap, I think I will implament that idea now!! or at least until they break the soil. I am puting a fan on them as soon as they emerg to get the stem stength up and keep them as short & compact as possiable.

JG

[Shovelhandle]

outdoors we often use black poly to warm up the soil,especially squash, pumpkin hills, eggplant and pepper plant beds. ya know?

It also keeps the soil moisture more even. Can be a habitat for some bad shtt, I guess. But I've not had that prob. Sometimes hay mulch is great for keepin your shoes clean and the soil stays beautiful. But slugs, snails and crawly creatures can suck. Then you remove the mulch and the pests go byby.

So, indoors we can control the soil a bit.

Thanks.

Shov

We germinate some of those seeds under that black polly and keep a very close eye on it. This is early Sring in a Ccccccold climate, I don't think it would work averywhere.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

This morning I went to check on my little babies and i now have 6 sprouts. Another Blue widow popped up overnight so now 4 BW's

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Well I am a real bind now!!!!

I painiced to early, this morning I checked my little babies and I now have 10 healthy sprouts. My problem is I also have 11 more seeds germinating.

Well I know I am going to toss the BCBB. I have 5 more seeds left of them, and it is an unknown source. I am going to have to grow out the other 5 BA's and 2 BWso that will bring my total to 17 plants under current conditions. I may be alright if my ratio is 50/50 or less. But going by my past experiance and luck, I will end up with 12 females. If so I will have to put a coulple outside some how.

I will have another update soon on the other germinating seeds.

JG

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

The first pic is of the 2 BW seeds that have cracked and ready to go in the soil.

The rest are random shots of some sprouts.

[zebulon]

Healthy looking seedlings....these are some really nice strains Jerry, i hope you get many girls....
Could you give some short info on what lights, nutes you gonna use this time??

Edit.: Don't mind the nutes....

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Zeb, here is a list of the things I have running.

Lighting is currently a 175 watt MH about 6'' above the pots, I have a 12'' desk fan blowing on them constant with a fairly good breeze hitting them. The fan is also keeping the sprouts cool from the light.

I will switch to my 400watt mh at the start of veg the stage for a coulple weeks then go to my 600 watt MH. I am trying to save energy with the a/c running alot this time of year.

Oh yah light schedule is 24/0.

JG

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

the little ladies look good. patience is everything my friend. it's a shame to waste the bcbb but hey, ya got 17 more lol. good luck, i'll be sure to check back and view your progress soon.

-morning

[jakezking]

JG, I wish I was in the same bind as you! HA! I know you will hate for the waste, but hopefully you'll be able to find a good outside location, which will present a nice lil' experiment to watch the progress of the same genetics inside v. outside! I am still very curious to watch the development of these strains - I am a sucker when it comes to different colors; I remember being in high school and hearing about some "Purple Indica," which at the time I didn't understand what the purple and indica indicated - I only knew it meant it was some fire bud. But, ever since, I have been amazed and distracted by "all the pretty colors."

Well, I'll stop the rambling. I wish you much luck on this grow - I'm subscribing, as I want to see these beauties from start to finish. Be good out there, my friend!

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Well is has been 12 days since I started and going well:)

I currently have 16 seedlings that have broken ground. 14 are very healthy, 2 are weak looking but coming along.

No nutes yet but have changed light today to my 400w MH and are responding very well.

Here are some random pic's, I had to support the stem's due to strech. That is why I switched to the 400.

[jakezking]

JG, it looks like you are going to have a few amazons on your hands! It looks like it won't be such a bad thing having so many seedlings, as you will really be able to cull the runts, winding up with the best of the best.

I was glad to stop in and see some pictures. Even though seedling pictures are not the sexiest, it's always nice to watch development from the beginning.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Well it has been about a week or more since I updated. Everything is going well, I have 18 healthy plants going :). There are about 12 plants ready to be transplanted to 2 gallon buckets and start the LST on them. I plan on transplanting tonight plus start the first round of nutes.

I will post pics and description tonight of how I do this and a detailed description of each step.

JG

[Puffzter]

Good luck with your grow. :)

I am on my 10th day above ground with my 5 plants so gonna be interesting to follow your grow paralell to mine.
Hope all works out for us

Peace

Puffzter

[jakezking]

JG, I hope all is going well with your grow. I'm looking forward to an update on all of your blue ladies. Be good out there!

[chinacat443]

simillarly to putszer (sp) i recently started an grow, funny thing is, i started the SAME day as you.
fortunately, its also outdoor grow time and im using seeds from my last indoor grow (dont ask :mad:)
im curious to see how the grows turn out side by side considering your using a 400mh (veg. then switch to hps.. i assume....) and im harnessing the pure power of the sun. of course i will use the same nutes i use for indoor grows, and the same type of soil/compost/peat mixture.

if you dont mind, when you post pics of your progress, id like to post some of mine here also....for reference, and too see some nice side by sides of bagseed vs. quality, sun vs. light, etc.....

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

To make this easier I am going to post pics in one post then describe in the next post. It has been awhile so there are going to be multiple posts.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

I know I am very late on this update but I have documented everything so I am just going to bundle it together in multiple posts

I am going to start with the current conditions in the grow box. On July 18th. I took out the 400watt Mh and swithced to my 600 watt Mh.

Also for future referance I am going to use July 8th as the date for the first day of Veg. So germination and seedling stage took 16 days.


1st & 2nd pic are at the end of week one of veg and are ready to be transplanted. They do show some signs of heat stress from getting to close to the light but they are only the first set of leaves and will be trimed off in the next couple of weeks anyhow.

3rd pic is of the 36 gallon Rubbermaid tub I use to mix and store my new soil in.

4th pic is of the MG moister control and perilite I am using this grow. The Actuale mix is one 1 - 64 Qt. bag of MG Moister Control and 1 - 8 Qt. bag of perilite. Mix well thats it! Again keep it simple and cheap.

5th pic is showing me mixing it in small parts this prevents leaving pockets of unmixed soil.

More to Come:)

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Next set of pics

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

1st pic is of a 2 gallon bucket that I have filled with soil mix and compacted firmly. You will notice there in the center is an unused germination pot. After compacting the soil I remove this and you can see the perfect hole it leaves for the plant as seen in the 2nd pic.

3rd pic is after the seedling has been transplanted a small amount of new soil covers the old and lightly packed down.

4th pic is of the Current Nutes I am using [ FF Big Bloom, FF Grow Big and Pros Choice PH Down ]. The First Feeding of any nutes happened the day I transplanted. It consisted of 1 Tbls./ 15ml of Big Bloom and 1 tsp/5ml PH Down per gallon . I then added 1/2 gallon of nute mix to each 2 gal bucket and let excess drain out the bottom.
Next was a full week later and it consisted of 1 Tbs. Big Bloom, 1tsp. Grow Big and 1tsp. Ph Down, again 1/2 gallon of nute mix each bucket.

Next watering was just plane water again a full week later and at a 1/2 gallon each (current to today)

5th pic is of a plant taken today end of week 3 of veg. And was just LST'ed for the 3rd time. I started LST on week 2 and every week after that. I also trimmed any fan leaf that covered the center of the LSTed plant.

More to come.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

More pics

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Well here is what they look like today. I just watered with plane water and performed LST on them. That is why they look droopy. All are extreamly healthy and growing like crazy now most, already have stalks 3/8'' thick and the new lower branches are really starting to take over as the main plant in the pics.

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

hey jerry. they're looking nice and healthy. have you used the fox farm nutes in previous grows? If so how did they work for your plants? I may order some online but I'm looking for more opinions before I take the leap and spend the money.


in the meantime, good luck with the grow

gmorning

[jakezking]

All of those ladies look mighty fine, JG! And, thanks for going over your nute schedule in pretty good detail. I need to really begin developing an organized nute plan, and this will be a good thread to which to refer. Everyone really seems to be pleased with the FF nutes, so there must really be something to them.

Thanks for the update, so I can ogle all of those fine blue speci(wo)mens!

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Puffzter,
Thanks for stopping by and giving your support. Feel free to ask any questions when you need for your grow. I am doing this log more as an instructional log:) I do this only so that I can spred my knowledge and experiance to you all. I do this by keeping it as simple as possiable while still getting the maximum out of every plant and so I will give the most exact dates and amounts of every step of the grow.

JakezKing,

As usuall your support is greatly appriciated:) Yes I do swear by FF nutes and I expect everone will by the end of this log. These babies are the strongest looking plants I have seen at this stage of growth. The stalks are already 3/8'' thick " that is almost the size of my pinkie finger" at the end of week 3.

Chinacat443,

Thanks for stopping by and asking before you posted any pics.
I think you have a great idea but like I stated to Pufftzer. I am doing this as an instuctional grow log and don't really want to turn it into a comparison log.
But I do have a good sugestion for you:) You can download any pics that I post then attach to a post in your log. Then just credit and quote me in your log.

MrGoodmorning,

Yes my last grow I used FF nutes the entire grow and got a mind blowing yeild from them. So I fully expect it to happen again this grow. I do highly recomend you buy the entire family of nutes and follow the feeding chart that comes with granuler forms. Just some advice I get mine from the local hydro store and pay cash if you order online use a prepaid credit card for saftey. I wish you better luck on this grow and if I can help feel free to ask.

JG

[hudson88]

Hey JG,

Looks like you got some happy and healthy plants there. I remember reading through one of your other logs a while back and seeing the great results you got. So i'll be following this one along to try and pic up some tips if you don't mind.

What light have you got lined up for flowering btw? Apologies if you've mentioned it already i didn't see anything.

What's with the ph down when you feed? Is your water high or is it a preference to knock it down a couple of points or something to do with the ph of the soil?

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Hudson,

Thanks for stopping by,

When I go to 13/11 I will switch out the bulb to a 600 watt HPS. I am currently using a 600 Watt MH conversion bulb.

The resons I use PH down is 2 fold. First, is yes my tap water ph is a 7 and I want to knock it down to a 6.
Second, is I am using MG Moisture Control soil and the ph has a tendancy to rise over time and this helps keep it in range, Since I have been using it I never get any yellow tips or edges on the leaves just that nice deep forest green the entire grow.

JG

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Wow Unbelievable Growth.

They are ready for their next feeding. I will do a post later for that.

2nd pic is the results from LST. Look at all that growth off the main stem!!

[zebulon]

Wow....:eek:

Those are the same plants?? They are huge...nice job Jerry...:thumbsup:

I don't want to annoy you, but please, buy a new cam...it would be so nice to see some better quality flower and budshot pix....:hippy:

[Puffzter]

Damn nice man. Mine are in the same phase of explosive growth now as well. Almost frightening to watch hehe. Sometimes when I sit and watch them for 5 minutes it actually feels like I can see the top leaves fold out.
This shit will overgrow the world one day and all other form of life will be sufficated. :D
There might be some small colonies of hippes here and there trying to smoke the world back in order but with this kind of growth even they will loose in the end.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Puffzter,

I am a hippie that is trying to teach the rest of the world how to grow ganja, so the entire world will be a better place.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

During feeding last night I decided to take some random pics to show how the LST worked. I stopped LST ad am just letting them go vertical now. I am just starting to get alternating nodes and I was able to sex one BW female. :)

I will let them go one more week then it is flower time:). This feeding consisted of 3 tsp. Grow Big, 2 Tbls. Big Boom, and 1tsp. PH down.

I did not get a pic of the entire crop. But you will be able to see the results of my style of LST.

Going to be multiple posts.

JB

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Sorry having trouble posting pics, try again.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

More pics.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

My God they are growing so fast that I ran out of horizontal space awhile ago and they are going vertical fast, they are already 16'' tall.

So today I took 2 cuttings for cloans from each plant, and did some trimming. Gave them their first feeding of flower nutes, Switched to my 600 watt HPS, set the timer to 13 on 11 off.

All the plants already have alternating nodes, PLUS I already have 2 confirmed females by the preflowers. They will stay in their 2 gallon buckets until sex is confirmed on all plants. Then I will transfer males to the trash and the females to 5 gallon buckets to save time and soil! I then will also remove all the male clones from the dome cloner and keep the rest as mothers for my next crop.

Breakdown of crop:
5 Blue Widow
6 Blue Apollo
3 Mystery Seed
3 Blue Apollo seedling in limbo to be grown out later.

I will post pics shortly I am waiting for the bulb to cool down while writing this post.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Here are some pics just as they went under the Sun.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Well it easier to writing on this pc. So here is the rundown on each pic.

#1 is a view down on that wonderful green canopy just after turning on the HPS. Some reason the camera color corrects the yellow.

#2 is a view from down under to show the stalks and growth from the LST each plant has a minimum of 6 main branches that will turn into large colas at

#3 is a side view of the canopy.

#4. is of the nutes used for this feeding [ 2 tsp. Tiger Bloom, 1/2 tsp. Open Sesimie. and 1 tsp. PH Down per gallon of water, then 1/2 gallon mix per plant and allowed to drain excess out bottom].

#5 is what I used to cloan each plant. Rooting starter powder, Rockwool cubes. I took each cloan from a branch from the main stem that was not going to amount to anthing from the bottom.

More to come.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Some more pics.

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

wow jerry, your ladies are looking beautiful. I'm going to try and locate a hydro shop or anywhere that sells the FF nutes and i may take your advice and buy the whole line, or what I can afford lol. good luck with going into flower, i'm sure the girls will be happy. very nice strains btw, i'd like to try out the smoke and taste so maybe you can give a report when the time is right :jointsmile:

keep up the good work,

gmorning

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Pic #1 is of the 3 BA plants that I did not have enough buckets for and have been growing in their starter pots to keep them root bound an growing slow. I plan on growing them out next grow until then I will grow them like a bonsai mother.

Pic #2 is of the cuttings I took today in the cloner with the dome off.

Pic #3 is all the plants in my cloning/mother box.

Mr.Goodmorning2,
I do swear by FF nutes and you are seeing why. These babies just want to grow right out of their buckets. My last strains did not grow with this vigor so I don't know what I am up against when they go into the stretch phase. My guess is they are going to top off at 36 to 45 inches tall. they kind of remind me of W/W #4 in my last grow sativa dominate and cant keep her tied down and finished with big long buddy colas:)

JG

[jakezking]

JG, that's some seriously trick photography! There is no way those are the same plants! HA! Dude, I was sold on FF nutes before the 4 day time-elapsed photos, but now there is no doubt I am going to order some!

All of your ladies are absolutely amazing! Thanks for sharing all of the nute information, and for sharing those photos to back up your writing. Be good out there!

[joedirte]

hey jerry, nice plants. theyre looking pretty lively and bushy (or like they will be.) im just screwing around with lst on my first grow, but hopefull i wont stress em out any.

and while your on the topic, ive started with FF nutes (recommended from the local hydro store) and havent had any problems with them. except for when i overnuted with the grow big. gotta just ease it in, about the 2nd or 3rd week... nm. that big bloom stuff is killer though. makes your buds tasty:stoned:

but yeah. right on, beautiful plants, cant wait to see em in crazy full flower:hippy:

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

I sexed my plants tonight and I have 10 CONFIRMED yes 10!!! females and possibly 2 more out of 15!!!!!

What the fuck am I going to do, I have never grown more than 9 in my box and these plants are already 20'' to 28'' tall at 4 days into flower so I fully expect them to top out at over 40'' to maybe over 50''.

I do have cloans going of all of them so I have 3 choices

Grow them out some how!! I don't think I can fit 12 - 5 gallon buckets in a 4'x4' space. So this will mean coming up with smaller buckets. and very cramped grow space.

Or commit "HEMPISIDE" and keep only 9 that look like they will produce the most bud.

Or if I get the balls up! put them outside and hope for the best. this makes the most sense, but makes me very nervous and paranoid when I visit them and transport them.

So I am going to leave it up to you to help me decide on what to do:)

Leave your input or any other ideas you have to help me out of this situation.

JG

[anbesol]

CRAM EM' -I WILL PUT YOU IN JAIL FOR MURDER! lol

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Thanks Anbesol i am still pondering this one.

I forgot to give a count

Blue Widow 4 confirmed
Blue Apollo 4 confirmed
Mystery seed 2 confirmed
Suspected female 1 Blue Apollo, and 1 Mystery Seed.

[PJWill24]

You must keep them all somehow, and definately invest in a larger grow box you really need it.

[hatch]

Who You Trying To Kid!!!!,,,,,,,You'll Figure It Out, If You Haven't All-Ready!!!,,,,,,,I'm Sure It Will Be A Awesome Grow Like Alway's!!Best Of Luck My Brother!!!:hippy::hippy::hippy:

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Thanks for all the input all,

BVut I am really concerned about space with 9 my last grow I am really worried about moving them when they get big and start breaking branches and light getting to the lower parts of the plant when they get to there final size and are in full bloom.

JG

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Today is watering day so I did some individual pictures. Watering was a flush of 1 gallon plain water.

1st is Mystery #2
2nd is Mystery #1
3rd is Mystery #3
4th is Blue Apollo #3
5th is Blue Widow #3

[hatch]

Thanks for all the input all,

BVut I am really concerned about space with 9 my last grow I am really worried about moving them when they get big and start breaking branches and light getting to the lower parts of the plant when they get to there final size and are in full bloom.

JG

Well, I'm Sorry For Rib'n You Then!!!!,,,,,,,,Can You Start Training Them To All The Available Space Now????,,,,Maybe Alittle Loly-Pop'n-Scrog????,,,,,,,I Still Feel Like You Will Be Fine Bro!!!:smokin::pimp:

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

1st Blue Widow #1
2nd Blue Apollo #4
3rd Blue Apollo #5
4th Blue Widow #4
5th Blue Apollo #6

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

These 2 are my not 100% sure plants no signs of sex.

[joedirte]

hey. if i were you id go for the gold! go for 14 out of 14 females or whatever. or maybe keepa couple of your most healthy for mothers. if you got the space i mean... or maybe try your hand at breeding? i dunno im stoned. and i cant post pics (or smilies.)

[Shovelhandle]

Checkin it all out, man. Looking good!

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Well I figure I will give the 3 males the dignity of a last picture.

One is just a nice looking plant and had to be male.

Well now off with their headsl

Sorry forgot to rotate before posting.

[nicktheawesome]

Those are beautiful plants!

I'm not a grower (yet) but I have been reading pretty a lot about it, but I haven't heard anything about the 13/11 light cycle for flower. Can you tell me more about it? I've heard that 12 hours of darkness is necessary. Obviously a couple minutes will make very little difference, but an hour is quite a lot. Unless you are also using the 730 nm LEDs...

[DoDoFoShoDoe]

Sorry its taken me so long to catch up on your grow things are lookin awesome in there!

Heard nothing but good things about the FF nutes, that will have to be my choice whenever I decided to start some plants!

Thanks for sharing your knowledge
DoDo:jointsmile:

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Nick,

How I came up with 13/11: Is after reading about lighting and the cannabis plant I found that 12/12 is not programed into the plant as to when to start flowering. All they need is the change in lighting time to make the plant feel fall is coming and it is time to reproduce. I go from 24/0 to 13/11 and switch from a MH bulb to the HPS at the same time. The changing of the time and the color of the light is enough for the plants to think fall is comming soon and is time to reproduce.

Reasoning for 13/11: From what I have read is that during lights out the plant cannot potosynthisize and is not growing. The extra hour over time adds up and supposibly increases gowth over time. (1 extra hour over 26 days adds 2 days of lights on at 13/11).

Does it make a differance?: I honestly am not sure. I have only done 13/11 with no negitive side effects and it works for me, So why change something in your growing technich when you are getting results exceeding all your expectations.

JG

[Shovelhandle]

that's a good idea, jg. i bet it does make that little diff.

[Shovelhandle]

I sexed my plants tonight and I have 10 CONFIRMED yes 10!!! females and possibly 2 more out of 15!!!!!

What the fuck am I going to do, I have never grown more than 9 in my box and these plants are already 20'' to 28'' tall at 4 days into flower so I fully expect them to top out at over 40'' to maybe over 50''.

I do have cloans going of all of them so I have 3 choices

Grow them out some how!! I don't think I can fit 12 - 5 gallon buckets in a 4'x4' space. So this will mean coming up with smaller buckets. and very cramped grow space.

Or commit "HEMPISIDE" and keep only 9 that look like they will produce the most bud.

Or if I get the balls up! put them outside and hope for the best. this makes the most sense, but makes me very nervous and paranoid when I visit them and transport them.

So I am going to leave it up to you to help me decide on what to do:)

Leave your input or any other ideas you have to help me out of this situation.

JG

You saw my last grow, same thing happened. I had 12 seeds, all females and it was crowded but it worked out. I had them in a 30" x 50" space.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Thanks Shov.

Well I have come to the same decision. They are all going to remain in the box for now. I am going to somehow fit 12 - 5 gallon buckets in there and cut off most of the smaller branches from the LST that I normally let grow. In my last grows I never did this because I feel if it is going to produce a smokable bud I am going to let it grow. This was OK the last grows because there was enough space for them to get light and mature.

Now with the growth of these plants in high gear and I am beginning to see what the final looks of the plants and main colas are going to be like. So for the sake of space and I would rather get say 16 more main colas out of this grow, than an out of control grow for a couple more ounces of smokable bud. So I am going to trim these plants of the smaller branches this time around and see what happens.

Wish me luck and we will all see what happens as time goes on.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

I hope they stop going up soon.

Tallest 42'' shortest 29''

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Picture 1: BA#3, 33'' Tall
Picture 2: BA#4, 32'' Tall
Picture 3: BA#6, 26'' Tall I topped this 2 weeks ago one due to she was growing much faster then the rest and would have out grown the box.
Picture 4: BA#5 30'' Tall

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Picture 1: BW #5, 35'' Tall
Picture 2: BA #2, 27'' Tall, sorry left her out of 1st set
Picture 3: BW #4, 33'' Tall
Picture 4: BW #3, 41'' Tall
Picture 5: BW #1, 40''

[jakezking]

JG, those BA's are consistent as heck, eh? That's a nice strain indeed resulting in dang near identical sisters, and your green thumb isn't hurting things at all. Nice to see you are going to keep them all. 1 of my bagbeans ended up male, and I have him in my bathroom, as I find it hard to even kill off a male. I don't think I could kill off a female.

Keep fightin' the good fight, my friend!

[Algag]

I am looking forward to some updates soon, im pretty interested in those strains.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

I am currently finishing up a wonderful vacation in British Columbia, Canada:)

This is one of the most beautiful areas in North America and I don't want to leave but I guess I need to get home to my babies and see how they are doing.

I should have an update tomorrow or Monday.

JG

[chinacat443]

i just wanna know with all your expertise, why you arent using mylar.
i think if you lined the walls with mylar you would have been able to keep the smaller branches becuase the light would have been reflected into under the canopy.
i had a 4x3x4 space with 9 babies and lined the complete room with mylar and every branch had beautiful nuggets regardless of the actual direct lighting. they say that reflected light from a 1000watt light is like an additional 400w for free.....

just some food for though.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

I am back from 8 days vacation and my babies are a little thirsty but grew insanely tall. Most have crowned out so the stretch phase is over I hope, 2 have already out grown the highest light level of the box. Well I am only going to give heights tonight since it is LATE AND I AM TIRED.

BW 1 = 57''
BW 3 = 59''
BW 4 = 49''
BW 5 = 58''
BA 2 = 47''
BA 3 = 43''
BA 4 = 47''
BA 5 = 42''
BA 6 = 36''
MYS 1 = 51''
MYS 2 = 44''
MYS 3 = 36''

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

I am boared today took the day off from work to adjust back to reality and relax. I rented an RV and drove over 2400 Km thru-out British Columbia.
So I thought I would share a few pics.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Sorry posted before attaching

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

These pics are of the Blue Widow's Height's 63'' , 61'', 59'', and 52''

Flower pictures are of each plants best cola.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Here are pictures of the Mystery seed plants. They are 47'', 38'', and 52'' tall.

[mileshigh]

awesome grow man. mouth is watering.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Here are 3 of the Blue Apollo plants at 51'', 48'' and 36'' the last was topped just at start of 13/11.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

The last 2 plants at 46'' and 48''

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

I gave them a feeding last night of their 3rd week flower nutes acording to the FF chart. They got 2 tsp. Tiger Bloom, 2 tsp. Grow Big, 1 Tbl. Big Bloom, 1/4 tsp. Beasty Blooms, and 1 tsp. PH Down to 1 gallon of water.

I also trimmed off some of the fan leaves like I usually do at this time now that the buds are starting to realy grow and producing their own leaves. I do this so light gets to more of the buds lower down the plants plus the canopy was so thick light was not making past the upper canopy.

JG

[SnSstealth]

Haven't checked in for a while. Lookin good JG! Same exact schedule we are on nute wise, and a week ahead in flowering...How long did ya veg for those heights? Or maybe ours are so short form the LEDs...hmmmm
whiskeytango

[Puffzter]

I gave them a feeding last night of their 3rd week flower nutes acording to the FF chart. They got 2 tsp. Tiger Bloom, 2 tsp. Grow Big, 1 Tbl. Big Bloom, 1/4 tsp. Beasty Blooms, and 1 tsp. PH Down to 1 gallon of water.

I also trimmed off some of the fan leaves like I usually do at this time now that the buds are starting to realy grow and producing their own leaves. I do this so light gets to more of the buds lower down the plants plus the canopy was so thick light was not making past the upper canopy.

JG

Interesting.
Is that safe to do?
I mean those leaves produce a lot of building blocks for the whole plant to use. Do you have any experience of doing this before?
If it is effective I will have a go at it as well as my fan leaves block a lot of light to otherwise promising bud formations lower down. Worried about stress, growth stunts and that is might not be overall effective. If it is I would gladly follow your exemple.

Puffzter

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

SsnStelth,

I think I vegged for 6 weeks, Now I wish I did 5 weeks of veg. Basically I normally do a 6 week veg but these plants seem to be sativa dominate and just took off, they were 12 to 18 inches tall when I put them into flower.

Puffzter,

Yes this is somthing I have done every grow that I have done. And I get the same question every time to. And every time I don't notice any bad side effects. Infact I feel it helps! yes the plant needs to photosynthasize , but when you have huge fan leaf's blocking all the light to the lower portion of the plants the big fan leaves are making up for what the bottom is missing and stunting growth below. So what I feel is happening when I do this, the plant just lost a portion of its ability to produce chloraphyle so to compinsate the buds begin to grow faster and bigger. I say this with confidence because of my last grows yeilds were very high, so I ain't changing nothing in my style of growing.

Thanks for checking in guys.
JG

[Puffzter]

Thanks for that
*looking for my razor blades*

:)

Puffzter

[hydrocannabis]

They are really great, look like they will yield a sh*t load.

[jakezking]

JG, your ladies are super fly TNT, brother! And, thanks for those awesome nature shots of your BC vacation! Those are some incredible vistas for certain, and I imagine they are simply awe-inspiring in person. One day I will have the pleasure of traveling to that part of the world.

I appreciate the insight into the fan leaf trimming. All I have ever heard and read informed me not to cut the fan leaves, but I have not had an opportunity to test this supposed fact. I'm glad to see you have had such opportunity and your experience has taught you otherwise. My dad always told me - "don't believe everything you read or hear." Looks like he was right again!

As always, your log is very informative. Thanks for sharing it! Have a great weekend!

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Last Night I had to modify my grow box to accommodate my plants!

They are still going up and had outgrow the highest point I could hang the light. In fact 3 were higher than the bottom of the light. I had some space available above the box and was able to add another 11'' in total height to the box giving me a total of 6.5' of direct light to the plants. I think I will be able to make it now if they stop stretching soon. I did consider Late LST but I do not have any Horizontal space and with the extreme crampness of the box any strings or wires will increase the chance of breaking something when moving them around during the rest of the grow.

I did give them a watering of plain water and seem to be requesting this every 4 days now. Keep in mind I still have them in 2 gallon buckets and seem to be doing fine and showing no signs of being root bound. I know this sounds weird "6' plants in 2 gallon buckets" Well the only thing I can think of is between the FF nute program and the use of MG Moister Control soil is working similar to a hydro grow and the plants are receiving all there needs in a small space. When I cut down my last crop and removed the soil from the root balls the actual root systems did not take up that much space. This is just an opinion and observation.

The buds on the plants are starting to really grow and look very promising I am going to wait on pics just to give a better week by week update and comparison.

Also thanks for the support and stopping by Hydro and Jake
Jg

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Well after seeing Pufftzer's log and seeing his male plant un-potted. I decided I am going to transplant my babies to 5 gallon buckets tonight but modified by not filling the entire bucket, therefore adding only about a gallon and a half of grow space. This will add 75% more space than current and should be enough to put root boundness at bay. While not adding to much height to the overall height of the plants.

My feelings are this should go smooth and I will post pics of this delicate process tonight when lights come on. But for now its off to get some soil.

JG

[greenatik]

Looking good jerry, you definitely know your way around soil and FF :thumbsup:

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Tonight I transplanted all 12 plants to 5 gallon buckets and all went well no broken branches or damaged roots :thumbsup:

First pic is after I added 3 inches of soil to the bottom of the pot.

Second pic is when I used an old long knife and went around the side of the entire bucket to loosen the soil, I then lifted the plant at the base of the stalk. Tapped on the bucket edge and fell right off. I then placed gently in new bucket and filled with soil.

Third pic is before soil was added

Forth pic job completed and watered with weak nute solution of 1 tsp. Grow Big, 1 tsp. Tiger Bloom, 1 Tbs Big Bloom and 1/4 tsp Beastie Blooms.

Sorry no forth pic

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Here are some random pics of my plants tonight some in the box and a few group shots from outside the box.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

A few more

[Puffzter]

Well after seeing Pufftzer's log and seeing his male plant un-potted. I decided I am going to transplant my babies to 5 gallon buckets tonight but modified by not filling the entire bucket, therefore adding only about a gallon and a half of grow space. This will add 75% more space than current and should be enough to put root boundness at bay. While not adding to much height to the overall height of the plants.

My feelings are this should go smooth and I will post pics of this delicate process tonight when lights come on. But for now its off to get some soil.

JG

:)

Be aware though that you can't treat soil as coco and I don't wanna be a reason for you experiencing slow or impared growth ;) . Plants will much easier get rootbound in soil. I am sure you will be ok and I am certain you know what you are doing. Just saying that you can't copy techniques used for coco to a soil grow.
Now having said that your pots will still be fine I think. Soil normally take around a gallon medium per month the plant is alive to stay clear of rootbound problems so a plant that will grow for 3-4 months will be ok with 4 gallons of soil. In coco you can make it very well with half that even though you will have to water very often.
Looking good m8. :thumbsup:

Puffzter

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Well I am 4 weeks into this grow and now the buds are really starting to go as you can see.

The transplant went well and showed no signs of stress only more growth:thumbsup:

Also from this point on I am only going to take them out of the box for watering, it has become to dangerous to move them around now. They are just to tall now and I cant risk breaking a branch at this point. Hell I just may end up watering them in the box and not taking them out till they are done.

But as you can see by the picks they are looking very sweet. Trichs are just starting to appear and there is a sweet smell starting to come from the box.:jointsmile:

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Some More.

Just to give a referance for the pics in the box, the camera is at neck level and I am close to 6' tall.

[zebulon]

Wow Jerry, that's a jungle....nice work so far, i have a feeling we gonna see some huge tops soon....good luck....:thumbsup:

[Puffzter]

Sweet dude.
Really nice that we are in sync with our grows as well man. I am starting my 5th week as well in 12/12.
You got some fat flowers on those, nice to see.

Puffzter

[anbesol]

Wow im lovin it...like mcdonalds :wtf:

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Thanks for the support:D

Anbesol: I hope I get my share of quarter pounders :jointsmile: Because I'm Lovin it also.

[anbesol]

Excellent!

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Well this is the sit back and wait time of the grow so I have been scouring the Internet for seeds and reviews and have come across allot of interesting strains but one in particular has caught my attention. MATANUSKA THUNDERFUCK.

I have read all the history on it that I can find, I know that it is only available in cloan form and maybe extinct:( ,and that seeds have to be a cross since no male MTF is available. I have found a couple of reputable seed banks that have crosses available. Sagarmatha seeds ( Matanuska Mist, and Matanuska Tundra ) and Reeferman seeds (Kodiak Gold) I have found the Sagarmatha seeds, but cannot find the Reeferman (Kodiak Gold) anywhere.

I am not sure about the Kodiak Gold there are conflicting reports on it. One says it is not a cross with MTF It is a pure strain from Kodiak Island, then others saying it is a cross of MTF and a strain from Kodiak Island

The Sagarmatha seeds are not Cheap by any means at around $330.00 for 10 seeds at hemp depot.

I was wondering if anyone knows and or has grown any one of these 2 strains before and have a report and hopefully some pics not from the website.

[DrSpoof]

I have not grown it but I have smoked it and ATF/MTF is absolutely amazing.

I have Jack the Ripper going, a pack of NLxBlueberry seeds, and once both the NL/BB and the JtR are established, the MTF from Sagamartha is my third planned grow. From what I understand its pretty indica-y so it should grow nice and squat too.

If I remember correctly from my research on the strain StinkyAttic used to grow a mean strain of it a year or so back... search Matanuska on the boards and you should be able to find some of her old stuff on it :thumbsup:

Spiggs

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Wow I learned allot since my Last post:)

I went to the Sagamatha web page and found a list of authorized distributors. Sagarmatha will not sell to distributors in Canada or the US. Plus on top of that none of their distributors except for one will even ship to the US. The ONLY AUTHORIZED DISTRIBUTER that will ship to the states is Hemphouse.com/uk.

They have Matanuska Tundra for 70.00 Pounds UK. That is much cheaper and explains why they are so expensive at Hempdepot. Hempdepot must be buying them from a distributor then reselling with a large markup to cover their costs. What all this is telling me is if you find Sagamatha seeds that are not from their list of distributors and not paying a premium price like hempdepot they are more than likely not the real thing or a knock off of it (this is just my opinion after this long dive into the Internet).

Well I have some time before I place an order so please leave any feedback so I make the best decision before buying.

Thanks
JG

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Last night I fed my babies and everthing is going as well as expected. The feeding consisted of 1 tsp. of Grow Big, 2 tsp. of Tiger Bloom, 1Tbls. of Big Bloom, and 1/4 tsp of Beastie Blooms to 1 gallon of water.

Well I have decided not to take the plants out of the box any more untill finished they are just to tall. I was doing something the other night and took 2 plants out no problem. But when I went to put them back one top got caught on a wire hanging on the outside and snapped about a foot down, well for those of you that have grown you will notice that where the stalk is wide it is also hollow. Well the reason I say this is where it snaped. When I got over the initial aww fuck!!!! I took the top and moved it back to the original position and heared the slightest pop and low and behold the stalk poped back into position as if nothing happened. I did not have to put a splint or anything to hold it in place untill it healed. When I checked yesterday everthing was fine as if it never happened. Needless to say lesson learned so the stay where they are for now.

They are starting to put on weight and looking beuitiful as usuall. But this box situation may put a damper on taking pictures because the only way I can check is to take plants out. I am able to water from underneith the canopy. I am able to look up and see enough to judge the health but no I cannot see those big beuitiful buds forming up their:( This is fine now that I have a few grows under my belt, it is not like my first grow where you check them every 2 miniutes :D But this is going to get interesting when havest time approches.

I am able to begin to judge what my final yeild may be and it is looking good I feel I will break 2lbs. again but by how much is yet to be determined.:thumbsup:

JG

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Well I broke down and had to get some pictures for you:thumbsup:

I took 2 plants out and was able to get these pictures for you.

1st and 2nd picture are of the box door and the veiw inside. This is pretty much the view I get. 2nd is more of the up looking view.

3rd is of one of the colas.

4th is of one of the Mystery Seed plants that I am going to name "GREEN GIANT" since she is well above 6 feet tall.

5th is of Mystery 2 and BW 5 in the background.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Here are some more pictures from inside the box.:thumbsup:

1st is of BW 5 this is the mid section she is also well over 6 feet tall

2nd is of BW 4 she is a shorty at 5 plus feet

3rd is an overhead view in the box.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

These pics are of BA 3 & 4 from outside the box.

The First 2 pictures are of BA 3.

The Second 2 pictures are of BA 4.

Last picture is a group shot of both.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Well I watered last night with plain water, everything is looking good:thumbsup:

Buds are beginning to swell and trich production is starting to go into high gear. By the looks of what I can see when I look up the plants are forming big dense buds. I am able to water from underneath the canopy pretty easily so I am not having to move the plants and they seem to be supporting each other so far with no sign of needing support rods, ''Very strong stalks'' :thumbsup:

JG

[hatch]

Looking Good Bro!!!! Ya, They Are Starting To Catch A Higher Gear!!! Going To Be Some Serious Cola's,, BY The Time They Are Done!!! Best Of Luck!!:rasta:

[DrSpoof]

yummy... :stoned:

Spiggity

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

The Cannabis Fairy that I will call ''Mary Jane'' came by and gifted me a HydroFarm 1000 watt ballast and air cooled hood that didn't work. Well I took it apart today and checked the wiring and found someone had converted it to run on 208 volts. I know what the previous owner did now and is unsafe so I will not go into detail about that.

So after discovering this I went to the local Hydroponic store and got a Hortilux ''EYE'' High Performance Growth Bulb, Super HPS, 1000 Watt bulb for $110.00. Well I have it installed now and is working beautifully, Box is staying nice and cool with the hood working like it should, this should help them for the next 4 weeks:)

JG

[Shovelhandle]

New stuff is the berries, right? 1000 watts is nice and powerful, grow anything with light like that.

[greenatik]

damn jerry, you got it going on in the grow room :D

some seriously outstanding work bro :jointsmile:

[MediJuana]

Excellent looking herb! Im sure that light will have you yielding nice heavy buds, very excited to see your harvest keep up the good work.

Also, how long is your flushing schedule?

thanks, MEDI

[sickstrings84]

WOW!!! I was following this grow at the very beginning and then haven't had my internet hooked up for a couple months. When I looked in here I was like... :eek: Fuckin' nice job JG, your plants look amazing...Confirms my plan to use FoxFarm nutes next time.

Peace...
Tim :S5:

*subscribed*

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Thanks everyone:thumbsup:

Well the 1000 watt is working out just fine. I was really worried about heat and frying the tops of the tall plants. The hood is doing an excellent job keeping it cool in there.

It is unbelievably brite in there now and light is penetrating the canopy much better, this bulb has a more blue tint so I think it will help them grow even better. The only problem is it makes it more difficult to see the tops of the plants because it is like looking at the sun. I need to were sun glasses when looking in the box now:cool:

Medjuana,

To answer your question I really don't do a flush in the common way. How I water is to alternate between plain water and nuted water therefore giving the plant time to absorb all the nutrients, therefore preventing nute and salts buildup. I also let the pot almost dry up before watering, and water until excess comes out the bottom.

JG

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

I am

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

I am


stoned? lol. did you mean anything by that post? :jointsmile:

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Here I am at what I will call the halfway point of the flower cycle. Things are looking good :stoned: They are starting to get the powder sugar look and when you brush up against one it feels like flypaper already:thumbsup:

Also it proved very difficult to take these pictures because the ballast is standard electromagnetic and it causes lines so I had to come up with an alternative with a CFL but was very risky and was lucky not to break something. So this is it until I come up with a better way to take pictures.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Last night I started my finishing feedings that consisted of 1 Tbls. of Grow Big, 2 tsp. of Tiger Bloom and 1/4 tsp. of Cha Ching per gallon of water. I did not feed all the plants last night only the tall ones they are starting to use water faster than the rest and needed a drink, I will do the rest tomarrow.

JG

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Last night I watered the other 9 plants with the same nute formula as above.

Man they are realy starting to swell up. So far no danger signs of falling over but there is no way to move them now and the nice thing is they seem to be supporting each other. I can see most of the upper colas from the box door by gently sticking my arm in there and opening a clear view of the tops.

BW 4 looks like Jack Frost came by with her trich production and is producing some realy big buds. Mystery plants 1 & 2 look be be something really nice. Mystery 1 is actually producing pistols with a slight orange tint to them then the buds are turning a purple to a brownish color inside ( I'll say prownish:D) with some incredible trich production.

Another thing I find weird is I thought I would be able to smell some Blueberry by now. To tell you the truth at this point they look and smell more like pure White Widow and Apollo 11 :wtf: But definitely look better than the WW that I got from Amsterdamnmarajuanaseeds.com to be truthful I feel the Free Mystery seeds I got from them are far better than most of the WW I got from them. Don't get me wrong WW #4 and #9 were fine specimens:thumbsup: But I like the looks of the current more.

Wells that todays update its time to enjoy WW #4:rastasmoke: and some Greatfuldead:hippy:

JG

[Puffzter]

Damn those are some healthy looking plants man.
Almost look like they're made of plastic to keep for show in a lobby or something.
Sweet.

Puffzter

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Pufftzer,

Thanks for stopping by
You know what your right:thumbsup: Now that I looked back at the pics again they do look like something you would find at the Cannabis Cup used as props.:D

JG

[MediJuana]

Thanks for the info, i was only wondering because of the article i read in high times a few weeks ago about flushing and carbing up the plants.

Good way to avoid the toxic build up!

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Medijuana,

Your welcome.

Another thing I just noticed was I put Day 35 on the last set of pics. It should be day 42. I must have been stoned.:rastasmoke:

JG

[killa12345]

Last night I started my finishing feedings that consisted of 1 Tbls. of Grow Big, 2 tsp. of Tiger Bloom and 1/4 tsp. of Cha Ching per gallon of water. I did not feed all the plants last night only the tall ones they are starting to use water faster than the rest and needed a drink, I will do the rest tomarrow.

JG

Hey Jerry....the grow is going great.....one thing thou.....do you add the big bloom to your final feedings......i run FF nutes and i was just wondering.......1 tbls of Grow Big you say......wow i thought that would be too much N during flowering....boy i was wrong......i run the FF nutes according to the website....i think my final feedings are 2 tsp. of grow big hydro, 1 tsp of Tiger bloom, 1 tbsn of big Bloom, and 1/4 tsp of cha ching...

It seems like you double everything except the cha ching and eliminate the big bloom....wow that would be helpful because im eating threw big bloom like crazy!

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Killa,

Oops, your right I did use Big Bloom. Man I need to stop smoking before writing these posts. I get those 2 confused when writing but not in use.

Yeh I also go thru big bloom like crazy to. I have to buy it gallon form. Really the only nute that I do not use much of is Beastie Blooms.

JG

[killa12345]

Killa,

Oops, your right I did use Big Bloom. Man I need to stop smoking before writing these posts. I get those 2 confused when writing but not in use.

Yeh I also go thru big bloom like crazy to. I have to buy it gallon form. Really the only nute that I do not use much of is Beastie Blooms.

JG

Diddo.....i started this round to buy a gallon of big bloom....and i only use the bestie bloomz for 1 wk also.....thanks once again for the quick reply!

[SnSstealth]

LOL...hells yeah, I may get big bloom in gal too..Go through that shit like crazy...
whiskeytango

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Yeah the biggest things I notice about FF nutes is. First is Big Bloom is the cheapest of the liquids but you use 3 times as much of it than the rest. Second when you buy the 3 pack of the granular forms it is the same price as 2 and you get enough for 20 or more grows. So it is a one time investment.

So for those of you watching this log! Here is what you need to get for your grow. This is for around 9 to 12 plants.

1 Gallon of Big Bloom, 1 per grow. $35.00
1 Quart Grow Big, 1 per grow. $14.00
1 Quart Tiger Bloom, 1 per grow $14.00
1 FF 3 pac granular forms, Lasts forever $60.00

JG

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

I gave the smaller 8 plants a 1/2 gallon of plain water tonight and all is looking well. I did give the taller plants a drink on Sunday.

So far this grow is going better than expected meaning the number of plants vs. space. I am happy with the progress and they are starting to put on weight. Also they are still in full bloom no red pistols yet so this may be a long grow my guess 3 or more weeks still.
Now the pics are not the best by far due to the conditions of blind pics and just sticking my arm in there I can't move a damn thing now. the good thing is you can get a good idea of why it is a jungle in there:D

[dooobster]

That's a damn pretty jungle you have there!

[Shovelhandle]

Do you use the whole gallon on one grow period?

Nice plants, btw!

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

It is close enough, Big bloom is used thru most of the grow and use 1 or 2 Tablspoons per gallon of water every time.

[anbesol]

3 more weeks huh? and your on flush? JG this grow is looking nice. I wish i had space to flower more then 5 plants at a time

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Anbesol,

I think your a little confused. I have not started flushing yet, I alternate between waterings. They now get close to 2 waterings a week now, 1 is with nutes the other is plain water. I do this to prevent nute build up and give the plants time to absorb all the nutriants before adding more. Thats how I don't get salt build up and other bad things happening.

Also Thanks for stopping by and letting me know your watching Doobster, and Shov.

JG

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Today I gave my 8 smaller babies a feeding of full strength nute mix that is recommended on the chart. I decided to go for the full recommended amount because they are just coming out of full bloom and going into the ripening stage. I am starting to see pistols turning and they are beginning to put on weight fast. I know this because the colas are beginning to lean ( not to the point of snapping ). This feeding consisted of.

1 Tbs. Big Bloom
2 tsp. Tiger Bloom
1/2 tsp. Cha Ching
1 tsp. pH Down for tap water correction.

This is for 1 gallon water and gave each plant 1/2 gallon of the mix. This is different than my usual technique. in my past grows I would have used a full gallon per plant and let the excess drain out. Now I can't do that this grow due to I cannot move the plants to out of the box, if I used a gallon it would over flow the catch saucers I have and that's not good.

It is going to be interesting on how I determine time to harvest because I cannot get in there to see the trichs. The recommended flowering time for them is 70 days so I may just let them go until day 77 and pull a couple out and harvest. Then look and make a determination at that point. Moving them this close to finishing would be a bad idea.

JG

[killa12345]

Today I gave my 8 smaller babies a feeding of full strength nute mix that is recommended on the chart. I decided to go for the full recommended amount because they are just coming out of full bloom and going into the ripening stage. I am starting to see pistols turning and they are beginning to put on weight fast. I know this because the colas are beginning to lean ( not to the point of snapping ). This feeding consisted of.

1 Tbs. Big Bloom
2 tsp. Tiger Bloom
1/2 tsp. Cha Ching
1 tsp. pH Down for tap water correction.

This is for 1 gallon water and gave each plant 1/2 gallon of the mix. This is different than my usual technique. in my past grows I would have used a full gallon per plant and let the excess drain out. Now I can't do that this grow due to I cannot move the plants to out of the box, if I used a gallon it would over flow the catch saucers I have and that's not good.

It is going to be interesting on how I determine time to harvest because I cannot get in there to see the trichs. The recommended flowering time for them is 70 days so I may just let them go until day 77 and pull a couple out and harvest. Then look and make a determination at that point. Moving them this close to finishing would be a bad idea.

JG

Great Show JG.....man they look awesome.....I guess our nutes are similar...i use less Tiger bloom and cha ching....but my babies get nutes every feeding.....but its real nice of you to show the views you nute schedule....might have to try bumping up the ppm like you on the next grow! Good luck bro.....you grows are always top notch!

[SnSstealth]

Yours are lookin quite nice too JG:greenthumb:
whiskeytango

[PurpWidow]

wow JG that is really an awsome grow...maybe i should say jungle very impressive. I just bought the full line of FF products and im excited to use em. what kind of soil did you start off with during your seedling phase? and up to now your using moisture control and perlite?

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Purpwidow,

I have use the same soil thru this entire grow. And your correct it is a mixture of 16 quarts of MG Moisture Control and 4 Quarts perlite.

Also for you all I tried to take pics for day 57 of the flower cycle but was unable to get any good pics that were worth posting. Everything is going as well as expected. The colas are getting huge now and the smell of blueberry is now present. Also I wish I could get a picture of BW8, this has some of the most beautiful colas. They are around 4 fingers wide and are almost completely white from the trichs.

JG

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Well I thought that I would give better update on the situation after looking at the plants tonight.

Well problems are begining to arise:(

Plant BA4 is showing big-time signs of nute lock or high pH. At almost over 24 hours after watering with plain water the fan leaves turned a bright yellow and is need of a flush.

My dilemma is:wtf: it is the tallest plant of them all! and the smallest producer of them all! Next she is all the way in the back and I would have to remove 4 plants out of the box. Just to get her out flush her then put her back.

So the decision is to let her stay for now and be somewhat sacrificed for the good of the rest.

I did as good of an inspection as I could of the rest and OMG it is like every branch you move their is a Giant Cola just dripping of trichs. I just sat down there for an hour smoken a "J" in compleat disbelief and the biggest:D on my face. This is when I determined:) I would have to be insane to move those plants right now for that one bad performer. If anything her buds will taste better from less chlorophyil, Right?

I wish I could get pictures of this but like I said, they look just like the last pictures pretty much. Believe me I want to see them up close just like you do but I have to take this hands off approach right now or risk breaking something or even causing a domino effect and taking them all down.

My plan is to take a whole bunch of pictures of each plant at harvest. Just to give you an idea of what they look like:) look at my avatar and imagine that after some one covered it with powder sugar. These colas are that big, and there are alot of them;)

JG

[Algag]

Sweet man, those are some nice plants and strains. Im really looking forward to post harvest/cured pics and smoke reports as well.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Well I broke-down today and took one plant out just so I can see what is going on and check to see where I am at with the trich's. Well look what I saw :madnoel: I think I am going to have Christmas in August.

More to come:thumbsup:

[InspectahEX]

Damn buds in that 1st pic look sick, nice grows, what strains? where u get your seeds? Check my thread out, I'm gonna need some feedback once i start flowering my babies:jointsmile:

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

some more pics

[InspectahEX]

what strain is this one

Cannabis.com Forums Message Boards - Medical Marijuana, Cannabis Club, Dispensary, News (http://boards.cannabis.com/attachments/grow-log/203513d1223073086-jerry-garcias-blue-widow-blue-apollo-mystery-seed-start-finish-day-61-001.jpg)

where u get your seeds?

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

One more pic for you,

Inspecta EX, that particular pic is of Blue Apollo #4 I got these seeds from Hemp depot Joey Weed Blue Apollo Joey Weed Seeds (http://www.hempdepot.ca/seeds/joeyweed/BlueApollo.html)

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Now for the update of what I saw :thumbsup:

I did get a good look at some of the trich's and to my amazement they are all mostly clear on all the plants. This is wonderful :D Reason being, I like the energetic trippy high and looks like I can harvest during this phase this time :thumbsup: My last grows my buds were not this big until the trichs were all cloudy.
Just to give you an example that cola in {picture 5 post 154} is huge, that baby is 5 to 6 inches wide. I don't know how I am going to get it in a mason jar for curing.

I was right about all the plants supporting themselves when I took out BA4 she just wanted to fall over so I had to lean her up against the washer while I took the pics.

Also it looks like a couple of plants did not like the last feeding and show signs of nute burn. Both are BA's and after reading the site page again it recommended mild nutes. OOPPPS Learned to read before just assuming. good thing is it is not bad and are still growing very nice.

Well the final determination is I will go for one more week or so just to let them fatten up a little more, Then just unplug the light for 3 days for finishing, then harvest the whole crop at once.

Another thing is I think I am going to probably use the box for drying! Reason for this is these plants are so big they all will not fit in my closet, plus these plants realy stink and my house will smell like a skunk. So I am going to take advantage of the scrubbers for safety reasons.

JG

[InspectahEX]

Hey Jerry you seem to know strains? I'm planning on getting some seeds and I want to know what are some of the better haze strains? I'm looking for really chunky buds powerful haze strains, I'm also looking at purple and white strains, what do you suggest?

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

beautiful plants jerry. looking great. i know you like the trichs clear but i have a feeling with that strain you may want to let one go for a few weeks longer. the high may surprise you. but if that's i think you'd have a very happy harvest anytime from here on out. nice work


morning

[LuciferN]

I'm quite sure she have a tutor to support her own weight. Really nice plant, 5-6 inch wide, WOW !

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

:mad:Last Night I went down to do some laundry and decided to take a look and found the HPS out:mad: I did get it to come back on last night then when I came home today it was out again I know it is not the bulb but the ballast I did smell the burnt varnish smell from over heating so the F@cking Ballast went bad. It was a handy down so that is not an issue.

Well I Guess it is harvest time now. I don't know I have to think about this.

[MediJuana]

wow man that tough luck...at least it didnt happen earlier though. By the pics it seems like youll get plenty of weight good grow jerry

MEDI

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Well I took a look at the ballast and I will let the pictures speak for me:D

[InspectahEX]

you can buy a ballast at home depot for 20 bucks, and some cfls, as a temporary lighting till u get your hps back, or order a new one online right now should be there in a few days, hey Jerry, hit me up with the names of some of the best haze strains these seed sites got

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Inspectah,

I really don't know what to tell you. I have never grown any Haze. All I have grown is White Widow, THC Bomb, Blue Widow, Blue Apollo, Purple Power, and Mystery Seeds.

The White Widow and Mystery seeds, were from Buy White Widow marijuana cannabis seeds from Holland. (http://www.amsterdammarijuanaseeds.com/product_info.php?id=n1290127823133835507112697&currency=49&product_id=1) The Purple Power was one of the mystery seeds from here.

The Blue Apollo and Blue Widow were from Joey Weed Seeds (http://www.hempdepot.ca/seeds/joeyweed/index.html)

The THCB were gifted to me from a fellow grower.
JG

[killa12345]

Inspectah,

I really don't know what to tell you. I have never grown any Haze. All I have grown is White Widow, THC Bomb, Blue Widow, Blue Apollo, Purple Power, and Mystery Seeds.

The White Widow and Mystery seeds, were from Buy White Widow marijuana cannabis seeds from Holland. (http://www.amsterdammarijuanaseeds.com/product_info.php?id=n1290127823133835507112697&currency=49&product_id=1) The Purple Power was one of the mystery seeds from here.

The Blue Apollo and Blue Widow were from Joey Weed Seeds (http://www.hempdepot.ca/seeds/joeyweed/index.html)



JG

Sorry about the HPS JG.....sh*t......the plants are still loking bomb......and man another great suggestion from you for InspectaEX was the Joey Weed Seeds from Hemp Depot....i know they still deliever to the US.....great show.....sorry for the recent turn of events.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Thanks Killa:thumbsup:

The HPS is back up and running, They only got a few hours extra of darkness. How much I am not sure. I doubt they will hermi on me for that or at this point in the grow.

All that was wrong was the power lead connecting to the ballast burned up. so I removed the burnt wire sections striped new sections and reconnected. My first impression was wrong Thank God So I am good to go for now.

JG

[SnSstealth]

Lookin good JG, glad you got the ballast worked out. You mind stopping by epsiodes 3 and 4 and let me know what you think about my first bonsai attempt? thanks man
whiskeytango

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Wow they are getting BIG. I gave them a drink of plain water on Thursday. My problem is the taller ones are beginning to fall over They want to go to the light. How I am countering this is by bending them back towards the walls and at about the midway up the stem I give a bend until it is almost to the point of snapping and it causes a slight weak spot in the stem and the weight of the cola causes the cola to lean towards the wall and not fall over.

I have taken a few samples from the lower buds and dried them out. So here is an early smoke report:thumbsup:The Blue Apollo has sweet smell to it and is heavily covered with trich's that are mostly clear. When smoked, out comes the blueberry flavor not strong but noticeable and is a smooth hit. This leads to a slow creeper but eventually very strong heady buzz ( the type where you can't remember shit from one minute ago.) and lasts a very long time. 1 four inch long bud has lasted me 3 days. 1 bong hit will give a real good buzz, 2 you are completely stoned:stoned:, 3 or more you will be drooling on yourself. It is a very sedative buzz.

Tomorrow I am off to State Collage PA to see the Dead play so I am going to let them go at least until I get back on Tuesday then it may be Lights out on Wednesday and Harvest on next Saturday.

Also thanks everone for stopping by for the support The last week has had some real twists and turns but I have made it thru ok:thumbsup:

JG

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Well the time is here to harvest and here is the first,

BA #4 came in at a final height of 51'' and the largest cola is 3'' wide and 12'' long. She is a heavy weight with buds that are rock solid. Most single bud-lets are 1'' in diameter and 1.5'' long. Estimated final weight 3.5 ounce's.

JG

[MediJuana]

Damn. that is a nice looking batch right there for sure!

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

She came at 58'' tall and with Big heavy buds that are slightly fluffy. The largest cola is 4'' wide and 16'' long. I estimate final weight at around 3.5 oz.

JG

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

She came in at 50'' tall and with very thick and heavy buds just oozing with resin. Colas are only 2.5 inches wide but make up for it in dead weight.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

She came in at 55'' tall and has big heavy buds that again are oozing with resin. The colas are only 2'' wide but very dense and 18'' long.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

She is one of the bigger Ladies and came in at 61'' tall with huge fluffy buds that are completely covered with resin, She is a little leafy but so sticky that I left a majority of the bud leaves because they are so covered with resin. The colas are 12'' long and one is 5'' wide and have a purlple color to them.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

She is the smallest of the Blue Widows and came in at 43'' tall. The colas again are very dense and heavy oozing of resin. I did top this plant at the first day of flower as an experiment and came out much shorter but more colas the weight at this time looks comparable to the others.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Well she came out to be a very nice plant indeed :thumbsup: Big thick buds and a slight purple to them. Very nice resin production and looks to be a winner can't wait to try her out. She is 42'' tall with 3'' wide colas that are 10'' long.

[InspectahEX]

Hey Jerry nice looking buds

[InspectahEX]

you should try growing some haze strains

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

She is a monster at 71'' tall with huge fluffy buds. She can't support herself at all and snapped when I took her out. I was able to prop her up for the pics though.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

more pics of her

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

She also was a monster at 68'' tall and produced some of the largest tightest buds of them all. they are 3'' to 4'' long and 2'' wide. also this plant turned a purple colour in the leaves the last 2 weeks looks like something happened and am not sure what?

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

coulple more pics

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

She is also a very nice plant very similar to BW#1 big tight buds. She is 62'' tall.

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Coulple more pics

[MediJuana]

Damn man that harvest is massive! good grow, looks like ull have a nice supply of some fire to toke on...wooha

MEDI

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Well I also harvested these plants but didn't take pics due to time constraints.

I ran into a big problem with Mystery #1 It had bud mold:( I ended up cutting out the infected areas and thru them in the trash and saved the rest). This is a bummer because this plant had some extremely nice tight colas. I estimate I lost around 1 ounce of prime bud to this, so it is a loss of around 25% from this plant.

Blue Widow #3 was a poor performer meaning the buds never really got big like the rest.

All in all I feel this grow went very well considering the circumstances, By the looks of things I feel I will surpass 3 pounds this grow:D Some of these colas are so big and heavy I would not be surprized if some weigh in at over 2 ounces.

Well Everything is harvested now and drying I will update you as this progresses.

JG

[LuciferN]

Nice job, it a bummer for the mold... Any humidity problems ? Do you have any idea how this happen ?

[SnSstealth]

Great run JG! Lovely BWs there:greenthumb:
whiskeytango

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

InspectahEX,

Thanks for stopping by and support, I may try haze in the future, right now I am thinking of Matanuska Tundra for my next grow, plus I have 8 cloans from these plants going and will probably bring them back from hibernation soon and start another crop.

Medjuana,
Thanks for the compliment, Yes this is probably the biggest harvest yet :thumbsup: And yes it will last a very long time.

SnStealth,
Again thanks for stopping by, Yes the blue widow came out very nice. I have not sampled any yet so I can't give a potency report yet, But the Blue Apollo is excellent, I smoked a joint of it with a buddy and we only could only smoke half of it before we were completely stoned for over an hour.

LuciferN,
I have no idea how the mold started. I am sure the humidity was down, The only thing I can see is the buds on this plant were so tight that there was no airflow in the buds, creating a perfect environment inside the bud for the mold to grow.

JG

[Shovelhandle]

Great stuff! nice bunch of plants.

[killa12345]

WOW.....what a nice log JG......i love seeing start to finish logs.....awesome pics.....beautiful harvest! Looking forward to the next JG show!

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Well Here are some pics of them drying out. Man Is that alot of bud:D

Thanks Shov and Killa12345.

I do try and make my logs more of an instructional log and for record keeping. I just kinda wish I did not have as many plants this time. It was a pain in the butt just to water them this time around and also not being able to inspect the plants better I feel I would have not gotten that bud mold.

But like I said I have got an unbelievable amount of bud so I guess it was worth it, but I don't think I will try this many plants again.

JG

[the joint meister]

hey jerry, really nice grow man! i've been lurking around watching but not posting, but thought i would post to say what a great job you did with those plants

by the way i love your screenname, fellow deadhead i guess?


peace Jm

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

Wow it has been a while but I have not forgotten!!

I am going to go right into it with the weights of each plant. After drying and curing they came out alot lighter than expected but still significant:thumbsup:

Blue Apollo 1 = 59g
Blue Apollo 3 = 65g
Blue Apollo 4 = 53g
Blue Apollo 5 = 63g
Blue Apollo 6 = 38g
Blue Widow 1 = 70g
Blue Widow 2 = 54g
Blue Widow 4 = 78g
Blue Widow 5 = 68g
Mystery 1 = 82g
Mystery 2 = 35g
Mystery 3 = 44g

Total comes out to 645g / 23oz/ 1.44lbs.

Now for the smoke report,

Blue Apollo :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: All I have gotten is rave reviews from this strain, it has a fruity sweet smell to it and a very smooth smoke but has a MULE KICK of a buzz. All I have heard back from my friends is "it is the best smoke I have had in years". I highly recommend this strain.

Blue Widow,:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: This strain is also getting rave reviews but not as well liked as the Blue Apollo. It has a very unique smell and smoke that is hard to place. the best description is a floral HASH smell and taste. When you smoke it, you would swear it is hash you are smoking and also kicks your ass buzz wise, extremely potent. The only reason the BA is liked more is the taste and smell. I also highly recommend this strain if your a fan of hash.

Joey Weed seeds,

This is the best weed I have smoked for a long time when it comes to the quality of the high:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: The only complaint I have is these strains are a blueberry cross and I found no hint of blueberry in the taste or smell, so I do not know what is up with that. Also these strains are very stable meaning very little variation between plants, same taste, same buzz, and similar growth. I am about to order more seeds from Joey Weed soon so stay tuned I will start a new log soon.

JG

[Shovelhandle]

tks 4 the report, henry

[LuciferN]

Really nice harvest. I love smoking my grow! I sure hope to have a similar result with my grow out of 11 plant. I'll wait for the next log !

[killa12345]

nice final number.....23 oz.....that would last me till the next run finished....wow what kind of footprint you working with JG.....but anyways great show....cant wait till the next log!

[qcstunta]

yo i know this is over a year long but sh!t this dood is the truth great phucking grow!!!!!!