Does anyone...

[TheMetal1]

Suffer from extreme daily nausea? Usually resulting in vomiting 3-5 times per week. I ask because I have been dealing with this since high school, and need to get a hold on it before it gets worse. My symptoms are:

I wake up, immediately go to vomit intensely. Bursting capillaries in my face. After that I am drained so I have to lay back down. Sweating and dizzyness occurs, confusion, over production of saliva. This usually lasts for 2-4 hours, and is more intense the earlier it is in the a.m. Even the mere mention of food or faint smell can make me physically sick. Once the nausea subsides, I have hunger pains, but can not even force feed myself without vomiting. Later, at roughly 4-5pm I can eat my first meal of the day. Which usually consists of taking 5-6 bites and feeling nauseously full. I feel completely normal after finally getting through my meal. (note that I have no times that I can't smoke, therefore I smoke the entire morning, regardless of vomiting or inappetite. It greatly helps the nausea.) I am hungry all night until I go to bed, although I can't eat after 8pm due to Dr's orders. Somedays I will only be able to eat 1/2 of a sandwich if symptoms are really bad. So far I have at least 5 peptic ulcers with evidence of another 2. I guess the only thing I haven't tried is asking other "heavy smokers," if they deal with this at all. I smoke everyday, personally in an honest range of 1-3g per day. Sometimes more, but never less.
I also don't smoke cigarettes or drink any alcohol.

Sorry if this was long, I'm just running on empty and getting low on options. It gets old when Doctor's tell you that "things look normal." I'm seeing a specialist now, but I'm not crossing my fingers. Thanks for reading. Keep :jointsmile: and stay :D

[Storm Crow]

Yeah, there it is!

Cyclic vomiting syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_vomiting_syndrome)

CVSAhomepage (http://www.cvsaonline.org/)

Get a vaporizer to save your lungs! Vapor Brothers are reasonable. Good luck and keep toking!- Granny:hippy:

[TheMetal1]

Thank you very very much. I've researched CVS in the past, but got caught up in new testing and treatments, so I kind of put that thought aside. Although Wikipedia is not always my #1 choice for reference, that article hit on almost every symptom I have. It was like they tracked my health history and created a disorder for it without telling me. The $17,000 treatment bill is not too far off either. :( So great to hear some new information. One of my initial reasons for posting was to see if using cannabis was the cause of my ailments. Maybe if I heard from others with the same symptoms, and same smoking schedules I could recognize a connection.

BUT!!!!!! One of the recommended medications for CVS is a form of Marinol. :thumbsup: So.... I will, as you say, "Keep Toking"

Thanks :D

[painretreat]

Keep token. But see that specialist. You could have a disease. Hopefully, not! Be honest with the specialist and take a list with you, be specific and make then help you! There are always more tests! And, more Drs.! Then if you keep token and remain the same, you haven't lost medical ground! In the end, we still have to take care of our bodies. There are a few things token won't CURE! But, helps the symtoms. You have a lot of good advice though. Good luck, keep us posted! pr

[Beckiez]

TheMetal1 - i actually cant believe what i just read, i had tears in my eyes.. because what you have described is exactly what i suffer with WORD FOR WORD. Like you i have been sent down the CVS road but my doctors and I are finally coming to terms with the fact i am clearly a very unlucky Marijuana user that has became ill from it as i've had every other test going and there is indeed no explanation for our nausia anywhere as you say.
I would love to jump on the CVS wagon but for the first time in my life im facing the fact i have to come off the cannabis because frankly thats what it is. since i've been a very heavy smoker of it and became sick daily i've lost so much weight im a walking skeleton and the cannabis is now affecting my life.
I'd say we are a very rare couple of individuals and i would love to keep in touch with you as i'd love to hear more on this really horrible cycle we're trapped in and compare.
Becki

[TheMetal1]

That's awful that you deal with the same symptoms. I know for sure how you feel. It's horrible. I was definitely considering that smoking may be one of the causes for my ailment, but this all started before I began smoking. The problem escalated in high school, but started in elementary school. To be sure, I have taken long breaks from smoking and experienced the same recurring symptoms. Something I may have to try again, based on your post Beckiez. I have another test this week. I'll let you know what turns up. Thanks a lot for checking in on this thread everyone. I appreciate it. Stay :D and Keep :jointsmile:

[birdgirl73]

That sounds like an absolute nightmare of a condition to have, TheMetal1. I'm sorry you and Beckiez are both dealing with that.

I hate to tell you this, but the correlation between cannabis smoking and nausea/vomiting aggravation does indeed exist for a small percentage of the cannabis-using population. Cannabis more frequently quells, or suppresses, nausea and vomiting for most people. But the same CB1 receptors in the area of the brain that control nausea/vomiting (and memory, perception, movement and other things) can sometimes be provoked in a way that aggravates nausea and vomiting rather than suppresses it. From what we've seen reported in this area, the people for whom it aggravates nausea or vomiting is a much smaller percentage of the population. I'd say only one or possibly two users in every 30 have the pro-nausea/vomiting response. Far more get the more desirable nausea-vomiting suppression response.

Makes sense, though, if you consider the unpredictable nature of how other medicines affect different people different ways. Same thing with cannabis if you consider that out of 10 users, 8 might get a pleasant, euphoric high whereas two might respond with panic and heart-racing. It's just clear evidence that cannabis, like all drugs, affects different brains different ways, not all of them pleasantly. Doesn't mean it's not still a valuable substance; it is. It simply means eveyone's brain chemistry is different and that it needs to be used judiciously.

I take a medicine for my heart rhythm that gives me some nausea. Anything that affects heart neurotransmitters also affects neurotransmitters in the brain, and this seems to be what makes me feel queasy. Some days it's pretty bad. I can't smoke because of the heart rhythm disorder (and because it's not yet medicinally legal in my state), but I have had great success in suppressing the nausea with Dramamine, which is available over the counter as a motion sickness medicine and is also good for regular nausea in addition to motion-sickness. Just thought I'd share that.

[TheMetal1]

for checking in on the thread BirdGirl. It's greatly appreciated. It is difficult when something that helps you in so many ways could be making another part of your life harder. As open to the possibility as I am, I do not feel that cannabis is increasing my symptoms. Like I said, after the initial morning sickness... a relaxing smoke is the only thing that pulls me through and stimulates my appetite. However, I have to be extremely careful to not cough, as this sets me back at square one FAST. It is the only medicine that I don't have to swallow in pill or liquid form, so it goes down without aggrevating my stomach. I am slowly beginning to think that much of my stomach problems were caused by the constant changing of prescribed pharmaceuticals over short periods of time when I was a kid. Growing up in the new wave of anti-depressants, anti-anxiety meds, it was not uncommon for me to switch medications 4 times in 6 months. (NOW I know that is dangerous... apparently my doctor skipped that seminar.)

Well, like I said, thanks a lot for checking in on this thread... and I'll keep you posted after I have my next testing. :jointsmile:

[birdgirl73]

You're more than welcome, TheMetal1. Always glad to share what I know. I wish we all knew more about how cannabis works, but we won't till it's allowed to be tested in this country, and I'm not at all optimistic about those prospects.

I was reading your theory about what you think may be affecting you, the quick-changes of psychotropic prescription drugs in your childhood. While that is a nasty experience to endure and not one that I think doctors ought to put kids through, I rather doubt that it would leave you with lingering, ongoing cyclic vomiting syndrome or symptoms like that now. The reason I don't think so is because, while antidepressants and anti-anxiety and even ADD drugs cause lots of side effects as people are taking them and adjusting the doses and combining them with other meds, they clear remarkably quickly from the body. They're not stored in our tissues or the areas of our brain that govern vomiting. The liver is an amazing organ that does a wonderfully efficient job of metabolizing and then, in combination with the kidneys, excreting those drugs. For all those drawbacks--and they have plenty of advantages, too, of course--they clear out of our bodies remarkably quickly. You might indeed have side effects as you're beginning them, taking maintenance doses, changing doses, combining them with other meds, and going off them. But it's highly unlikely pharmaceutically that you'd have significant medical repercussions long after you've stopped using them.

I'm assuming you're not still on any of those meds, right? Are you on any other meds that might cause such vomiting problems? Besides cannabis, of course.

Let me ask you these questions, too. How is your emotional health? Are you by any chance depressed? Having trouble with anxiety or any type of post-traumatic stress? Those sorts of things can wreak havoc with stomach health and digestion.

Have you been tested for food allergies or do you have any sort of sensitivities such as gluten intolerance that could be impairing your digestion? Our member Breukelen Advocaat has done a good job of teaching me that gluten intolerance can have serious repercussions and that such intolerance should always be considered in patients. (I'll always have this in mind when I'm a doctor in two more years, BA!)

Are you by any chance a cystic fibrosis patient?

Here's are some more Qs. Have you had any sort of exposure to toxic metals such as lead and/or mercury? Other types of poisons? Any other sort of environmental exposure? Heavy metals do linger on in the body and brain and cause long-lasting problems for people, particularly those who had pediatric exposure. Have you had any sort of toxicity screening bloodwork done? That'd be fairly simple to do, but be aware then when someone does a toxicology screen on you, your cannabis usage will show up.

Have you had any sort of neurological testing done to make sure you don't have a cyst or lesion or tumor that might be pressing on an area of the brain that affects nausea and vomiting? Do you by any chance have any type of seizure disorder? These are long shots and are not meant to scare you, but it was something I wondered.

Sorry for all the Qs. Inquiring minds want to know!!

[TheMetal1]

You seem to know your stuff. As much as I truly appreciate your information, I'm not really going that deep into my med history at this point. Let's just say that my stomach isn't my only "headache." The only reason I bring up the past changes in prescription routines, is that was the year most of my ulcers were beginning to form. I'm otherwise healthy from about 2pm to 3am... so be sure to tip your waitress. ;) As awful and miserable my problem can make me, I am a very happy and content individual. Luckily it does not interfere with learning. Without that I would surely be in rough shape. Stay :D and Keep :jointsmile:

[Storm Crow]

Is it just smoking that sets it off (as opposed to vaping or using, say, green dragon)? Nausea can be triggered by CO exposure- which smoking would have, but vaping has much less of, and eating has zero. Just curious. - Granny:hippy:

[TheMetal1]

Thanks for checking in. :D Smoking doesn't provoke any symptoms whatsoever for me personally. It is usually after my first vomiting episode of the morning that a few pulls off of a water pipe sets me straight again. It's like an instant stomach hug. I would be in a constant state of nausea if I were not able to smoke. On days that I am unable, I go most of the day not eating. I've tried a few prescription meds for nausea (some I won't even describe how you take them... ugh). None have made a difference. I have another procedure this week, and I should have a better idea as to what is happening inside my gut. :thumbsup: A vaporizer is definitely on my wish list. No insurance and frequent hospital visits kind of prioritize my money for me. Oh well, there's always the lottery.... riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. ;) Thanks everyone. Keep :jointsmile:

[Storm Crow]

Gets little pain relief from toking, but gets a LOT of relief from eating cannabis. Have you ever tried eating some just before bedtime? Smoking has a shorter onset and relief period- eating takes 1 to 3 hours to "come on" and the relief lasts a lot longer. Might be worth a try! - Granny:hippy:

[TheMetal1]

While trying to explain to many people about how I benefit from marijuana, they find it hard to understand. They are like, "Well, you've got weed... you smoke it... but you're not better? So doesn't that mean it doesn't work?" Not understanding the different reaction times, effect duration, etc. I feel that eating cannabis at night would GREATLY help me in the mornings. Unfortunately, with where I live and availability, I don't have the expendable medicine to do recipe experimentation. That may be the next step in my road to healthy living, and I will definitely be referring back to the recipe section for ideas. It's just one of those things where, at this point, the thought of potentially rendering even 1 gram of my medicine unusable would cause more problems than it would help. Again, I really appreciate all the advice. Sometimes just discussing it makes it that much easier to deal with. Have a great day everyone! :D

[stinkyattic]

My neighbor suffers from almost daily vomiting and has for several years. I don't know her medical history, but I do know that she is on strong anti-anxiety meds for a psych condition, and that in periods of high stress, the vomiting is exacerbated. She swears by smoking as a way simply to keep food down. I recommended to her Hindu Kush (the most anti-anxiety strain I have available) and canna-caramels to dose when she can't smoke, and have been teaching her to grow.
I'd definitely look into caramels or another edible that is a high dosage compared to a small delivery size, which I'd suspect would be less likely to give you a gurglygut reaction. You can melt the caramels in your mouth so you aren't swallowing solid food, and even try taking them in the middle of the night so that you are medicated when you wake up. There's a recipe in my donkey dick grow log somewhere- I think page 5 or 6. You can make the butter using the 'washed butter' technique; start saving yur stems and shake, and if your dealer is a good soul maybe he or she will also save shake for you and cut you a deal on it. That's where I get a lot of shake for cooking- I happen to know a couple dealers who are compassionate towards the medical community and will either give it away or sell it at or below cost.

[TheMetal1]

which I'd suspect would be less likely to give you a gurglygut reaction.

I knew there was a term for that. :rasta:

Thanks for the great info! It's funny, after all these years, the extent of my "Cooking with Cannabis" experience was smoking a joint while I seared some Rib-eyes. :jointsmile:

After re-researching CVS (thanks Storm) and seeing that Marinol was suggested for treatment, it sparked new thinking for me. I always kind of passed over the idea of cooking with it, because it was much more involved than just packing a bowl, and I always risked it not being effective enough. It wasn't broke so I didn't want to fix it. The brownies may not come out well, but that bong hit just worked in a flash. You know? After re-evaluating the overall benefit of the longer lasting and higher dose cooking preparations, I think I'm going to give it a go. Luckily, I have been saving stems and unsmoked leaves for about 3-4 months, so I'm off to the Recipe forums. Seriously, thanks to everyone who ventures onto this thread. Hearing about some dude throwing up everyday isn't the most riveting topic of conversation... I know.

Stay :D and Keep :jointsmile:

P.S. Any advice on prolonging the potency of stems and leaves when saving for cooking with? Sorry if there is a previous thread about this. I have class in an hour and I need to take a shower. :thumbsup:

[painretreat]

This is extremely educational for medicinal value! Will continue to follow, I feel sad that Metal 1 is having such a problem and hope something above does help or something else comes out from this personal share! Really wish you lots of luck and feel deeply for your problem! It just shows us, we do need more research and medical data! I do hope it is coming down the 'pipe' soon!:hippy:

[Storm Crow]

International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums - Cannabis Recipes (http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=7602&highlight=elixer)

[GreenDestiny]

Vomitting all the time really does suck. Through my life I've gone through several long periods where I'd throw up a lot too, all from different causes... some diagnosed, others were mysteries.

Of the things I knew that affected me were: allergies, chronic sinus infections (with the lovely large amounts of drainage), continuous drinking of orange juice, migranes, and Crohn's. And I'm sure being fed all kinds of antibiotics contributed to my stomach's unease. Thank you, doctors, for giving me Crohn's and years of stomach problems.

But oh, those dirty migranes... Check into that too. You'd think that with a migrane you'd have extreme pain somewhere in your head along with feeling nausea and vomiting. But of course lots of times I'd get very dizzy and sick to my stomach with absolutely no headache with it. I didn't know about that until several years of suffering from them. Luckily medication over the years treated me for it and the allergies.

I really hope they can find a cause for what's making you sick, and that the cannabis will help you heal from it. Good luck with cooking!

[TheMetal1]

Thanks everyone for your concern and support. Without going into too many specifics... I am now on a heavy duty nausea medication and, so far, it has eliminated all of my vomiting. It is really amazing to even go 3-4 days without symptoms. Anyway, I know it's not an amazing resolution to the original post, but I always read threads that just STOP........ like they have a bunch of info that gets you all excited to see how it turned out... and then it just dies. I figured I owed it to anyone that deals with these symptoms to wrap it up a bit. I'm not sure if pharmaceutical names are allowed to be posted on here so I will refrain. It has done amazing things for me in such a short time. :thumbsup: Thanks again for all the cooking tips too!!
I'm stuffed :jointsmile:

Stay :D and Keep :jointsmile:

[painretreat]

Please Metal 1, do keep us posted, this is very interesting and I am curious. NOt to mention, very glad you are feeing better. I have migraines and often after about 2 weeks of blurred vision, I figure out what is going on. So, if you ultimately feel comfortable with us, please let us know what it turned out to be. I wonder if taking all the pills you seem to take on what seems to be an empty stomach doesn't help with your problem. Regardless, I sure am glad you are with a specialist and getting some relief. I do hope he is treating the long term prolbem, as well as, the symptoms and you keep going to him until you find the answers! Good luck!

[Storm Crow]

My hubby occasionally gets what the doc called "silent migraines" - everything but the pain (the lucky b*stard- I always get the whole package- visuals, nausea, light & noise sensitivity and PAIN!). Sounds like this is fairly common, since I know a gal who has them, too.

Fortunately, cannabis takes care of my migraines- haven't had a real one in years. :D I can still feel them when they try to hit, but they are just a tiny shadow of what I would be suffering without cannabis! I can deal with them.