First Grow: Jack the Ripper under a Procyon

[DrSpoof]

Hi all,

I've been visiting the boards for close to a year now, quietly soaking up knowledge as best i can. ;) The last 2 or 3 months I've been doing my research and a week ago, I finally jumped in and planted my first 8 seeds.

I'm growing TGA's Jack the Ripper from Hemp Depot (mad props to HD, I was amazed at the ingenuity of how the seeds were packed lol). I ordered 10, and having never ordered seeds before, managed to lose 2 just by trying to find them in the packaging... I sowed 8 in some rapid rooters (the floating styrofoam tray kind) last Sunday. I've been keeping them in my room with a small dome on; temps are around 65-70F and humidity 55-60%.

Two seeds heaved out on Thursday; I carefully dug them up and replanted them. Starting Friday morning (~8 am), I put the tray under the Procyon. I came home from work briefly around 4 PM, and noticed that the two seeds that had heaved had turned around and were sprouting more. One more seed sprouted (without heaving! woot), and a fourth one seemed to be half-heaving, half-sprouting. I turned off the light (it was making my room look like aliens were invading from the outside lol) and cleaned up the soil around the fourth seed a bit to help it break through.

Here's my full setup:
1 Procyon 100
1 Homebox S
1 Vortex 4" 172CFM blower & fan speed controller
1 4" ProFilter Charcoal filter
Rapid Rooter trays
TGA Jack the Ripper seeds
Full set of FF nutes, soil, etc.

My space is a 2.5 foot by 6 foot cellar behind my room. Nice and discreet, its used to store a few cases of wine right now and I got permission to use it as long as I keep it on the DL. Had to cut an inch and a half off 6 of the Homebox pipes to make it fit, it was a little over an inch too wide (I hate hacksaws, PS.)

This grow was inspired by SnSStealth's LED grow log, so again mad props to WT and DB for all their efforts... I will also be trying to go the organic soil route with my grow.

So, again, here's a summary of the current status:
I sowed the seeds 6 days ago. 4 have sprouted, while 4 have not. I poked around in the 4 that have not, and they appear to not have germinated that well (taproots were very small compared to the 2 I saw on the heaved seeds). I also found a seed on my desk that mustve been one of the two missing seeds, so I threw that in the tray as well yesterday.

Are the 4 non-sprouters a lost cause by now? Or is there a chance they'll turn it around?

Also, I have the tray under the Procyon and I'm planning on giving them 18/6. Anything I'm forgetting? Suggestions? Unfortunately, I haven't been as active a poster as I'd like (more of a lurker, lol) so I will have to look to imageshack or rapidshare to put up some pics, once I start snapping them.

Thanks in advance, all.
-DrSpiggity

[justanotherbozo]

LOL, let me be the first to say welcome and i look forward to following your log

now you can respond to me and get your tally up so you will soon be able to post pics the right way, lol

:joint1:

[GreenDestiny]

Best of luck with your Procyon, and your first grow. As you'll soon find out, growing is exponentially more addictive than using the final product. I'm almost sold on the idea of LED's for growing, I know how great it can be, I just wanna see more of it first.. lol... so, thanks for being one of the people to experiment with it.

I'll be watching...

[DrSpoof]

Thanks guys... I'm really looking forward to a new hobby. I'm a computer programmer by trade so I've really been looking something to invest my time in after work that doesnt involve a PC.

Growing just seemed like a good way to broaden my horizons while providing a veeeeeeeeeery useful end product, lol. :rastasmoke:

DrSpiggity

[justanotherbozo]

Thanks guys... I'm really looking forward to a new hobby. I'm a computer programmer by trade so I've really been looking something to invest my time in after work that doesnt involve a PC.

Growing just seemed like a good way to broaden my horizons while providing a veeeeeeeeeery useful end product, lol. :rastasmoke:

DrSpiggity

LOL, i hate to say it man but, since i started growing, i've spent MORE time on the PC.
first, looking for help, then to show off my fumblings, now for both of those reasons as well as to spend time with other like minded people, some of whom i have developed great respect for.
and also, maybe most importantly, to reach out a hand of welcome to the noob's just as hands reached out to me.

LOL, i think you will find that growing it is maybe more addictive than smoking it, LOL

anyway :joint1: i look forward to following your log

[DrSpoof]

Hah thanks again bozo.

Updates... The 4 sprouts are doing great, one of them is actually almost an inch high... I am going to go buy another little chain from the hw store today so I can move my light up and down with a little more flexibility. Right now its at about 23" from the plants... I'm assuming it should be more in the 12-15" range, right?

Also, 1 more sprout came up yesterday and another one looks like he'll be ready to go by the end of today. Another question: I watered these guys once last Sunday and added about another 12oz of water on Tuesday. The RapidRooter plugs are plenty moist though, so I'm going to go ahead and assume they dont need to be watered again? Being a noob I'm super afraid of over watering lol.

Temps 67F, 63% btw. And wow, that light certainly gets to you after awhile... :stoned:

DrSpiggity

[justanotherbozo]

Hah thanks again bozo.

Updates... The 4 sprouts are doing great, one of them is actually almost an inch high... I am going to go buy another little chain from the hw store today so I can move my light up and down with a little more flexibility. Right now its at about 23" from the plants... I'm assuming it should be more in the 12-15" range, right?

Also, 1 more sprout came up yesterday and another one looks like he'll be ready to go by the end of today. Another question: I watered these guys once last Sunday and added about another 12oz of water on Tuesday. The RapidRooter plugs are plenty moist though, so I'm going to go ahead and assume they dont need to be watered again? Being a noob I'm super afraid of over watering lol.

Temps 67F, 63% btw. And wow, that light certainly gets to you after awhile... :stoned:

DrSpiggity

oddly enough, i think you should move the light closer rather than farther away, at this stage they don't need much light but if the light is far away your seedlings will stretch more than you'd like.
still a good idea to get the chain.

as for the rapidrooter plugs, i've never used them so can't say for sure, i assume you have a humidity dome. you don't want them to dry out but you don't want them soggy either
also, i left the dome on longer than i should have (2 - 3 weeks) and ended up with a terrible mold problem, if you have a dome with vents, open the top to let some of the moisture out

also, if you haven't already, you should go to this thread and read it all, lots of useful info for you from another LED grower (2 actually, Whiskey Tango and Doughboy)
http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/147698-led-growing-instructional-grow-log.html

try to get StinkyAttic's attention, she uses those rapidrooter plugs herself and will know what to advise you better than i

lol, just another 30 post's or so and you can throw up some pics


:joint1:

[DrSpoof]

yeah i can see that my "champ" seedling (if hes a she, i can see some mama potential in her ;)) is stretching too much after only a few days under the light, so i def. want to move to 12ish inches instead of 23.

i have read WT and DB's LED thread, thats actually what inspired me to buy the procyon... ive read the thing top to bottom a few times now lol.

ive been workin on the post count... by the time theres pics worth taking (a few more days...), I should be good to go.

Btw, another lil guy broke soil today... so far 7 of my original 8 seeds have broken soil, and my one seed thats a few days behind will hopefully be good. :D

DrSpiggity

[DrSpoof]

Update time and first pics!

8 of the 9 seeds have sprouted, and the one guy that I planted late seems to have split! You'll have to check the pics for yourself, but its wacky. These seeds were dropped in the ground 6/1 and most of these seedlings are 7 or 8 days old. This being a first grow I have no idea if I'm on course, behind, or ahead of schedule.

Been adding a Solo cup worth of water every 2 or 3 days (if the soil starts to feel a little less moist. Just finally got a real PH wand in the mail yesterday but havent gotten a chance to open it yet. I will do so and test my water / soil and check back in afterwards.

[DrSpoof]

Here's some pics w a flashlight and camera flash... have to head to home depot this week and buy a cfl & fixture for the chamber for pic taking / plant examination.

How am I lookin? :jointsmile:

DrSpiggity

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

to me, a noob, they don't look very healthy and they seem to be stretching for that light.

is there two in one cup? i believe it's the first cup in the front row on the left in the first or second pic

[Revanche21]

Best of luck with your Procyon, and your first grow. As you'll soon find out, growing is exponentially more addictive than using the final product. I'm almost sold on the idea of LED's for growing, I know how great it can be, I just wanna see more of it first.. lol... so, thanks for being one of the people to experiment with it.

I'll be watching...

Me too!:jointsmile:

[bombdiggity]

they are not looking too happy.

the setup, however, looks excellent.

do you have a fan blowing on the seedlings?

[DrSpoof]

the light was at 24" for the first few days, since thurs its been 12". i have an exhaust fan running but no fan blowing on them. its a good idea then to have a small oscillating fan blowing on the seedlings too? also, how often does the exhaust fan need to be running--whenever the light is on or 24/7?

theres only one seed in that first cup but it seems to be doin something funky... you guys think its just the lack of air circulation that has them lookin sad? i havent been watering that often and the soil is moist, i lift the styrofoam tray every day or two to let extra water drip out... no nutes or anything and my water is around 7.1 (just got the PH meter opened today). havent tested the soil but i doubt it could be that much different than the water.

thanks for the help guys. stinky or other vets, any ideas?

thanks
DrSpiggs

[DrSpoof]

Ack! I dont know if this is normal or not, but I picked the styrofoam tray up to take a look at the roots and holy shit theyre long! is this normal?

man i felt super confident going into all this and now... my noobness is getting the better of me i fear lol. :wtf: I'm gonna try and run out today and buy a little oscillating desk fan from like target or something and hang it from the top next to my light... the plants look a little better than yesterday, or at least the 1 or 2 strong guys look stronger. :thumbsup:

DrSpiggs

[justanotherbozo]

lol, relax man, everything looks good
nice to see some pics, i told you it wouldn't take long

your seedlings are ready for transplant, at least the ones with those long roots are, lol

if you're not sure what to do, let me know, or check out my imaginary garden, post #83 - 88
i assume you can do the same with the rapid rooter plugs as with rockwool starter cubes, ie, bury them in hydroton inside net pots

anyway, keep up the good work man, can't wait to see your results

[DrSpoof]

bozo, they all seem to have those absurdly long roots lol. i thought seedlings needed to be 3-5 weeks old (or 5 nodes, according to stinky) before transplant?

I just wonder bc all i have is some Fox Farm Ocean Forest and I remember it shocking the hell out of WT/DB's babies when they were directly sown in it...

Between my cat and my plants this is turning out to be a stressful father's day ;)

DrSpiggs

[justanotherbozo]

bozo, they all seem to have those absurdly long roots lol. i thought seedlings needed to be 3-5 weeks old (or 5 nodes, according to stinky) before transplant?

I just wonder bc all i have is some Fox Farm Ocean Forest and I remember it shocking the hell out of WT/DB's babies when they were directly sown in it...

Between my cat and my plants this is turning out to be a stressful father's day ;)

DrSpiggs

they are pretty fragile at this stage so that soil is probably too rich for them. can you just get a bag of ordinary potting soil and some perlite?

and is there a reason your not growing in hydro (DWC or E & F)?

DWC is probably the simplest hydro method (except for the wick method) to set up and maintain and, it's very easy to DIY, check out my garden, everything is homemade and DWC

[DrSpoof]

yeah... maybe some day on the hydro. wanted to keep it simple for the first grow so that i didnt have too many variables to consider the first time around. after picking a mother and harvesting these girls, id like to try scrog the next time around (it would work well with this area, i think)... so maybe the 3rd will be a scrog in hydro?

not sure, just kinda playin it by ear at this point. :greenthumb:

DrSpiggs

[justanotherbozo]

and you're right, dirt is a lot more forgiving for a first grow
just try to relax through the grow, don't kill them with too much TLC, you'd be surprised how often that happens, lol



yeah... maybe some day on the hydro. wanted to keep it simple for the first grow so that i didnt have too many variables to consider the first time around. after picking a mother and harvesting these girls, id like to try scrog the next time around (it would work well with this area, i think)... so maybe the 3rd will be a scrog in hydro?

not sure, just kinda playin it by ear at this point. :greenthumb:

DrSpiggs

[NaughtyDreadz]

would it not be easier to pot them??? at least until they establish a good enough root system then transplant... I used 2l coke bottle for m first grow.. man I was amazed

[DrSpoof]

ARGH! are there any non-ferted potting soils sold at home depot / lowes? all i can seem to find is miracle grow and scotts stuff, and it all seems to have time release fert in it. bah! i could head to the hydro store first thing tomorrow but its 25 mins in the opposite direction of hd / lowes and i have some things to pick up at the hardware store too.

it would be a heckuva waste of gas driving all the way to the hydro store for some light warrior or ff planting mix.

either way, unless someone jumps in and says otherwise, the girls are getting transplanted to 1 gal grow bags tomorrow (providing i can find something worth planting em in lol)

DrSpiggity

[justanotherbozo]

ARGH! are there any non-ferted potting soils sold at home depot / lowes? all i can seem to find is miracle grow and scotts stuff, and it all seems to have time release fert in it. bah! i could head to the hydro store first thing tomorrow but its 25 mins in the opposite direction of hd / lowes and i have some things to pick up at the hardware store too.

it would be a heckuva waste of gas driving all the way to the hydro store for some light warrior or ff planting mix.

either way, unless someone jumps in and says otherwise, the girls are getting transplanted to 1 gal grow bags tomorrow (providing i can find something worth planting em in lol)

DrSpiggity


lol, i know that itchy feelin'
they should have some cheap potting soil at Home Depot, Lowes etc..., if you can't find it, ask someone in the gardening section.
get some perlite too, they should have that as well
you might even be able to find it at the hardware store (soil, probably, perlite, unlikely)

also, and i think Stinky would agree, you should pot them into maybe 16 oz cups first, let them grow into those, then, when they show signs of being pot bound, then you pot into the grow bags.

anyway, i'm no expert man, this is just what i've read over the last several months.

[DrSpoof]

dude, youre spoiling me. i feel like i have my own personal grow guru, lol.

ill go with the solo cups then, and see what i can find at home depot tomorrow in terms of soil. thanks for all the help so far! :rastasmoke:

ps -- shouldnt you be hangin out w those teenage boys of yours on fathers day instead of hangin w me on cann-com? :thumbsup:

DrSpiggs

[justanotherbozo]

dude, youre spoiling me. i feel like i have my own personal grow guru, lol.

ill go with the solo cups then, and see what i can find at home depot tomorrow in terms of soil. thanks for all the help so far! :rastasmoke:

ps -- shouldnt you be hangin out w those teenage boys of yours on fathers day instead of hangin w me on cann-com? :thumbsup:

DrSpiggs

you should really check through some of StinkyAttic's threads, she is an expert and it's she that says it's best to move the plant through several transplants rather than just putting it into a big pot the first transplant


heres a link to a cabinet grow you might find interesting

http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/155115-nana-cab-v0-1-first-run.html

this one's worth a look as well

http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/154956-outdoor-lst-come.html

[DrSpoof]

word... got a 12" oscillating fan hanging from the top of my cab now, running on low. couldnt find any cheapo potting soil at home depot, but luckily my local nursery had a cheap bag for 3 bucks. was gonna transplant today but the light period ends at 1pm and i didnt want to transplant em and stick em in the dark. ill either transplant tonite or tomorrow morning.

i also gave em a little watering (one looked like it was wilting) so now theyll get some time to strengthen up under the fan before they get transplanted.

i also got all my cable management finished today... think im finally out of 'building and setup' and into the 'maintenance' phase. :jointsmile:

I'll post some pics tonite / tomorrow of the new cable management / fan / the girls after i transplant.

now, time for some lunch... :thumbsup:

DrSpiggity

[justanotherbozo]

i think you're gonna want to wait to pot them up until you get that perlite too, you want to mix it with the soil at about a 60\40 ratio and add some bone meal and a little blood meal as well.

like i've already said though, i'm no expert, that mix is something i read, i don't remember who wrote it but i wouldn't have bothered to remember it if i didn't respect the author if you know what i mean.

in any event, heres a couple links i think you'll enjoy

http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/149439-donkey-dick-vt-local-ibl-indoor-outdoor-2008-a.html
http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/151508-test-launch-operation-redwood-tree.html

those threads will definately have info you want to have my man, happy reading!

and keep it up man, sharing it is part of the trip! hell, maybe the best part!

rock on

[DrSpoof]

The potting soil I got has some perlite mixed in. Hopefully enough, but I'm not worried about being too fancy--I only really plan on letting them live in the Solo cups a few more weeks until theyve got those infamous 5 nodes. Then I'll have to see if it'll be better to go to the 1 gals from there or a jump to the 3 gals.

First transplant was a bitch and a half. Hopefully this gets easier w time. Either that or I need to do yoga before I work in the garden, not after lol.

Anyways, here's some pics of the cab w the oscillating and the girls in their new digs (w procyon on and w out)

Time for a j and some coffee... man I love my week off. :thumbsup: :jointsmile:

DrSpiggity

[DrSpoof]

Update: plants look ok. Not diggin this soil. Wish I had added the perlite like you said, bozo. Oh well, live and learn I guess lol. This soil just gets kinda chunky and hard when wet. I stirred up the surface with a little screwdriver (for some reason the word for that is escaping me right now... cultivating? aerating? whatever lol) and gave them some more water this morning, just to the point where I got a little runoff. I will let them be for a day or two and see how quick the soil dries out.

Readings are 73F, 51%. Still too lazy to take PH readings on the soil. Here's a pic I snapped just to keep track of development (now with handy dandy soil tags!)

Couple of things: light is now at like 10" bc some of the girls still look like theyre stretching. 7 has a weird thing where one of the cotyledon is reaching up but not the other one. 2 and 3 I cant tell why theyre dropping, theyre certainly watered so hopefully it was just bc they had outgrown the rapid rooters yesterday. 8 is a mess, 1 I'm pretty sure will be dead soon, and we'll see on 6 and 9 (9 was planted late). 4 and 5 are non-troublemakers though. :thumbsup:

After looking back at some early pics, 2 stretched a long time ago. Unfortunately my numbering system in the rapid rooters seems to have gotten a wee bit mixed up, so I'm not sure how much I can compare these numbered plants to my earlier notes... Argh. (live and learn again...) :jointsmile:

Lates
DrSpiggity

[DrSpoof]

update -- the transplant definitely helped. the wilting leaves turned around and now i have a solid 5 seedlings who look like theyll be worth my time. hopefully 1 or 2 turn around with a couple more days under the light.

:thumbsup:
DrSpiggs

[DrSpoof]

2 more days under the light turned another 2 around. 7 out of 9 seedlings look to be surviving. Culled one today who didnt look like it was ever gonna turn around (number 1 for those of you following the pics). Giving number 9 until Monday morning to show some sort of progress (since its a few days younger than the other girls).

Second nodes are starting to grow! This is a beautiful process to witness in action.

Btw, I believe one of my plants is getting the famous LED tri-node... crazy lol. I'll grab some pics tomorrow or Monday (dont want to inundate the board with unnecessary updates lol). :jointsmile:

DrSpiggity

[justanotherbozo]

looking good man

have you considered adding some CFL's? for some reason, the LED's work really well when combined with CFL's
maybe 2 clamp lights on either side of the Procyon (Walmart, approx. $6.00 to $12.00, they have three different sized reflectors) each with a y splitter for a total of 4 bulbs.

anyway, if yield is what you're after, that's a cheap way to add a little more light

[DrSpoof]

i dont know if i would go all out and add 4, but maybe a clamp light to each side of the procyon each w a 120w replacement (30w) CFL... would only cost like 35$... hmmm :rastasmoke:

DrSpiggity

[justanotherbozo]

i dont know if i would go all out and add 4, but maybe a clamp light to each side of the procyon each w a 120w replacement (30w) CFL... would only cost like 35$... hmmm :rastasmoke:

DrSpiggity


actually, if you get the $6.00 clamp lights at Walmart and the splitters there as well (under $2.00 each) and 4 x 23watt bulbs (you can often find them in three packs for like $6 or $7 bucks)
you'd be lookin' at about $25.00 and it would give you 46watts per side, not 30.

oh yeah, forget CFL equivalents, they don't mean shit and no-one who knows, uses them, it's the actuall wattage that counts

anyway, the beauty of CFL's is that you can add them, piecemeal, as you can afford them

[DrSpoof]

yeah... im actually not really that concerned about the upfront costs... its more the fact that i have a tiny growtent that i keep adding things to and now the temp is a constant like 73F (which is basically perfect). So I was thinking adding 2 instead of 4 would add less heat. I dunno, for 30 bucks I'll prolly just buy em and try em out... what have i got to lose lol

DrSpiggs

[justanotherbozo]

yeah... im actually not really that concerned about the upfront costs... its more the fact that i have a tiny growtent that i keep adding things to and now the temp is a constant like 73F (which is basically perfect). So I was thinking adding 2 instead of 4 would add less heat. I dunno, for 30 bucks I'll prolly just buy em and try em out... what have i got to lose lol

DrSpiggs

lol, my lights-on temps are running around 84 so 73 is something i strive for. my buds are actually looking really nice even with the too high temps.

anyway, you can always either add CFL bulbs, or take them away if it becomes too hot, although i think that fan of yours will keep things nice and cool.

[DrSpoof]

running to home depot in a bit so ill snap some shots of the added cfls tomorrow. in the meantime, so shots of the girls...

first is number 3, whos not the fastest vert grower but seems to be adding new nodes the quickest.
second is the trinode, number 4. sorry i didnt have a manual for the digital camera i found and finally found it online after i had snapped all these pics... hooray figuring out macro mode lol
third is the tallest of em, number 2.
fourth is a group shot of all the ladies.

I'm noticing some of the leaves are a little warped... is that just because its the first node and it has to absorb whatever trauma the plant is going through? Other than that I think they're lookin pretty good... I dunno if its the Procyon or what but when I pulled them out and put them on my desk to look at them the plants are friggin ABSURDLY green. Iz nice :thumbsup:

DrSpiggs

[SnSstealth]

weeeelll.............
shit man, ever since they changed the front page, I have issues finding threads!! damn spiggity, why didnt you put a link in my thread? I would've been in here helpin you too....lol
now time for my 2 pennies....lol
I see bozo saved ya a few times...lol, the transplant was a scare Im sure....couple quick ideas....
1. i transplant ALOT...use styrofoam cups...(i use the small coffee size to start, then go to 16oz....they can be cut with a razor on the side for EASY transplanting.....
2.keep light 12-15 in away from canopy
3.Stick with soil!!!!...lol, dro is good, Im playin, but I just love the soil, easier, and tastier...something to be said about all dirty grows...they just taste and burn so much better...IMHO
4.ASK FOR HELP!!!! thats what we are here for...I am on this board at LEAST 5 times a day....It will save your life

good luck man...I am subscribed to this thread now, so I can see updates....lol
good luck, and thanks for joining the LED fight!!!
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[DrSpoof]

Thanks WT... its an honor to finally have you here. Took a run to Home Depot. Bought 2 lamps to start. Will see how the temps do, then I'll see if I wanna add those Ys.

Here's some pics. Nice to have some white light offsetting the Procyon. Got a 2 x 2700k 23w (6$ for a 2 pack) and a 5500k 26w (6$ each) light. Gonna grab another 26w 5500k when I get a chance and then I can run those 2 during veg and the 2 2700ks during flower.

Ran them for 30 mins and the CFLs were still cool enough to touch. Plants just went sleepy but I'll check them around 9 tonite (lights go on at 7) to see.

I also realized 2 things:
1. adding the circulating fan prolly created a bit of a crosswind, and my exhaust fan is turned down real low (small space, dont really need more than like 75 CFM according to my calcs
2. I had a bunch of fiberglass insulation sitting on top of my growhut (was too lazy to move it to another room lol)

I moved the insulation, which should let more hot air escape out the top. I'm thinking of putting the circulating fan on a timer and turning it off for 30 mins like 4 or 5 times during the light cycle. Good idea anyone thinks?

Updated pics are attached.

DrSpiggs

[SnSstealth]

lookin great spiggity! those are the EXACT CFLs I plan to add to my single procyon set-up right after my haze experiment....you should do just fine now...I would go to 24hrs light though...thats what i run for veg now...they seem to love the soaking in LEDs....never get too hot huh?
whiskeytango

[DrSpoof]

awesome. i will do so since the godfather of LED has suggested it. =)

Question -- I have my cups on a wire rack thats like 2" high just to keep them off the floor of the growhut. The whole thing is made out of this washable vinyl. I've just been letting them drain and then dry (never takes long), but some soil has leaked and stained the floor. Would it be ok to wash this with like a Spray Cleaner that has a little bleach in the formula (taking the plants out of course) or would there still be enough bleach in the air to harm the plants afterwards?

Sorry, a little stoned, so hopefully I explained that question clearly lol.

:jointsmile:
DrSpiggs

[SnSstealth]

you'll be fine cleaning with the girls out...just make sure you get it all back up....i clean religiously....its a good thing:thumbsup:
WT

[DrSpoof]

Girls are comin along great, my late planted seed is finally turning around... should hopefully be transplanting by week's end the way we're going.

Question: since I added the CFLs and the oscillating fan, my temps have gone up and my humidity has gone down. The room my grow tent is in is like 8' x 2.5' (grow tent is 2.5' x 2.5') and the temp is 67F, humidity 63%. Inside the grow tent, the temp is 77F and the humidity 44%.

I've got 3 solo cups worth of water sitting in there to try and add a little water back into the atmosphere, but I cant seem to get the humidity up at all. Should I be worried that i'm not in the ideal 60-70% for veg? Is there another way to get my humidity inside the grow tent up or should I not even worry about it as long as I stay above 40%?

Thanks all
DrSpiggity

[DrSpoof]

Nevermind on the humidity, 44% seems to be ok.

Got some pics. Time for transplant? Going away for a day and a half but I think Saturday night would be a good time to transplant... =) Then nute time? Girls were planted (seeds) June 1, so they are 25 days old. Slow starters, I know, that was my fault. (too long in the rapid rooters)

Also, last two pics are of the tri-node plant. it appears it grew half a node and then has a full node growing in UNDER that! Look at how fat the half node's leaves are!!!

What should I do with this plant, just let it do its thing?

Thanks all
DrSpiggity

[SnSstealth]

yeah man....let it go!! I had a whorled phylotaxy last grow...(3 nodes at each point instead of 2)...and let it go, but it was a dude, so it went out....lookin healthy! It is almost transplant time:thumbsup:
WT

[DrSpoof]

Hahaha yeah hopefully this one will be fine. Think I'd be good with transplanting tomorrow night, WT, or should I wait? Also, I meant to ask you, do you use 100% FFoF or do you mix in perlite? if so, how much? :jointsmile:

Thanks
DrSpiggs

[SnSstealth]

nope...100% FFoF man...and i would go ahead and transplant this weekend...i am:thumbsup:
WT

[DrSpoof]

Transplant complete! mixed 11 gallons of ocean forest with 1 gallon of perlite. transplanted into 1 gallon grow bags. gave the 8 plants about 2 gallons of water. Gave them some spraying with the Dont Bug Me too. Hopefully it doesnt kill them.

Found a fly that kind of looked like an ant. Killed it. Not sure if that has anything to do with the yellow spotting on my leaves. Didnt see any signs of bugs on the undersides of leaves. Confused.

Cleaned the floor of the growhut with some spray cleaner that had bleach in it. Transplant was fun. Really tired now. Here's some pics. :jointsmile:

DrSpiggity

[DrSpoof]

Update and more pics... girls are starting to get nice and big. Think I may still have a bug problem, there seems to be a little more yellow spotting. Not alot more, so maybe I slowed them down. I think I read you wait 5 days between Pyretheum applications? I sprayed sunday at like 1 am, so i guess that means friday morning is when i should spray again? I also ordered some neem oil so ill have that on hand by then as well.

Thoughts?
DrSpiggity

[camoxnhx]

WOW! those grew so fast. so have you seen a difference in the LED specturm of light instead of CFL and/or T5 setup. and have there been any pros and cons of LED? but they look healty and look like there gonna treat you well. Nice Greenthumb!

[camoxnhx]

p.s. whats the neem oil for if you dont mind me asking?

[DrSpoof]

this is my first grow, actually, so i have nothing to compare my results to... I'm basically just trying to get as good a result or better as WhiskeyTango/Doughboy (SnSStealth)'s first grow, especially with the added CFLs.

The neem oil is for spider mites. Makes the plants extra sticky, from what I understand, and makes them unattractive to pests.

Thanks for the kind words :rastasmoke:

DrSpiggity

[SnSstealth]

update?

[DrSpoof]

god you people are sooo needy ;)

Sorry been busy at work the last few days, barely even had time to tend to the girls... looking good, gave em some misting with the neem oil last nite. gonna give em one more pyretheum spray tonite bc it looks like the bugs have slowed, but somethin is still munchin these plants.

WT when do you start with your ferts after transplanting into FFoF? I've got my 5 leaf nodes, so theoretically they should be good, but I dont wanna over do it w whats already in the FFoF.

oh, and do you think i should bother trying with LST? these things look like they grow pretty bushy anyway... though i dont know if its the strain, the led+cfl, or both. :wtf:

heres some pics
DrSpiggs

[SnSstealth]

if you want to LST....i would only do 1 or 2 of them...unless you make a big ass screen...lol, let em go i say....they look mighty happy though!!! good shit
WT

[DrSpoof]

Sooo curiosity got the better of me. Put on the 2 Y adapters I bought way back when and shoved in two more 26w bulbs. Now running 204 watts of LED and CFL. Bozo, this bowl's for you :stoned:

Also decided since the plants are 4 weeks old they could do with some fertilizin. Gave em 1 tbsp of Big Bloom in 1 gallon of water.

:jointsmile:
DrSpiggity

[hydrocannabis]

:D

they look beautiful. so I would grow them big befor I flowered them.
loven the looks of the grow cab also.:thumbsup:

[DrSpoof]

Gave another pyretheum spray this morning. With some neem oil every couple weeks, these girls should be bug proof now :thumbsup:

Theyre getting friggin big--except poor little number nine... who i have a theory on. When i transplanted into the Ocean Forest, the roots were VERY not happy/healthy looking in that shit Hyponex potting soil. So it was probably easier for the bigger plants to bounce back whereas the little one had to start from scratch, almost.


Noticing some weird qualities to the new leaves on two or three plants... not sure if its the heat stress mentioned by the Bible. 78F, 46% in there. CFLs are 12" away, the Procyon 15". is this just because the leaves are new or is this something i should be worried about?

Spiggity

[Mr.GoodMorning02]

hey haven't checked back on this log in a while but those ladies are looking healthy and strong. I'm really not seeing anything weird with the leaves from those pics. and I like the Y adapters, I think they'll do their part even if it doesn't make a huge difference.

keep up the good work, and Lst if you want but I'd wait to see if ya have the space. your call though man.

take it easy

[tokr2153]

i agree wit mr goodmorning those leaves look fine to me other then that every thing looks good

[hatch]

Ya My Brother, They Are Looking & Doing Great, That Was A Good Move Adding The CFL's, Yes The Led's Would Have Be Fine, But A Little Extra Is Away's Better, Hell I Add 400watt's Of Them To My 1000w. HPS, & MH, I Added The UV-CFL's, About A Year Ago, Should have Done It 10 Year's Ago!!!........But Anyway, Your Doing A Great Job,.......Good Luck Through Out Your Grow!!!!

:pimp::pimp::pimp::pimp::pimp:

[GreenDestiny]

they're looking sooooooo freakin nice!!!
that's just how my first ones looked like.

I think I know what you mean about new leaves looking weird... I think they always look weird until they get bigger but I guess that's a normal thing?

If heat's no problem try setting the CFL's to about 6" away, or just let them grow up closer on their own. Either way they're still gonna do awesome, keep it up!

[SnSstealth]

lookin good spiggity!!.....LST wouldnt hurt, but wait till they open up a lil more....be easy
whiskeytango

[DrSpoof]

yeah im just gonna say eff it on the LST, keep it simple on the first grow.

Made the CFLs hang down from chains now instead of being clamped so tight, which means theyre only 2-3" from the top of the plants now. Here's some pics. :thumbsup:

Also fed with some Grow Big and Big Bloom. Gonna just start at week 2 of the FF feeding chart, going half strength on everything while I get a hang for this fertilizing thing. ;)

Thanks for all the kind words everybody, much appreciated. :rastasmoke:

DrSpiggity

[SnSstealth]

remember spiggity....use the lower amount they give...make sure you are using the SOIL schedule...feed every OTHER watering...this shits important man, i over nuted with that FF real quick first grow...shit is GREAT nutes....and the FFoF is pretty good already...I learned the hard way....just trying to make sure you dont have to:thumbsup:
:joint1:
whiskeytango

[DrSpoof]

Word... Yeah I keep your first grow log mentally bookmarked WT. Every time I do something I'm like "alright now how did WT do it and how did it go for him" lol.

I only did 2 tsp of Grow Big and 2 tbsp of Big Bloom in 2 gallons of water (the schedule says 2 tsp / tbsp per gallon, so i halved both basically). I will make sure to feed w every other watering as well. As of right now, I need to water every 3 or 4 days. Does that sound right to you?

Also bought two rubbermaid tubs to put the plants in bc draining straight into the growhut is a bad idea. Especially since it doesnt exactly hold the water in, so if I overdo the watering the floor under the growhut gets a lil wet. And the floor under the growhut is concrete. In a dark cellar. So yeah, thats a recipe for disaster. :wtf:

Spiggs

[anbesol]

the lights that you are using dont get that hot, so i would say that the amount you are watering is fine. if the soil is damp then you dont want to water. also if your plants are droopy they probably need water if the soil is dry. Good Luck! cant wait too see flowering

[SnSstealth]

yeah 3-4 days is where i was at in flowering
WT

[DrSpoof]

hey been busy, here's some pics i snapped on saturday.

anyone know what this bug is? (pic 3) its a creepy centipede type thing that i usually find in basements. it was just chillin on the branch, i dont know if it was eating... i hate the things, they creep me out.

Back in a sec w more
Spiggs

[DrSpoof]

Alright, so update. Getting preflowers on all of the girls except the late plant. Will give her until Sunday and then I'm going to 12/12.

Girls are all between 6 and 10". Starting to crave water a little more... wonder if thats having the CFLs so close to them... gotta move em up every 2 or 3 days.

Been busy and not around, so thankfully the girls have been doing fine on autopilot the last week. Hope to check in more this week as things progress.

Prolly need to transplant to 3 gals once I switch to flowering, huh? :jointsmile:

Lates all
DrSpiggity

[anbesol]

I cant wait till your plants are harvested. Im really interested in seeing how your LED's work out in bud harvest.

[GreenDestiny]

It sure looks like you've tried growing before.

I don't know jack about growing in dirt, but yeah I guess a transplant before the 12/12 switch would be good.... maybe give them a few days or so to get over any shock first.

Have you noticed any smell yet?

[Puffzter]

It's looking great man and you seem to have a gentle touch with your plants.
I personally think LED is the future so this is interesting to me fo sure.
Once the prices go down people will start switching to these babies more and more.
Nice job so far and gl in the future.

Puffzter

[DrSpoof]

It sure looks like you've tried growing before.

I don't know jack about growing in dirt, but yeah I guess a transplant before the 12/12 switch would be good.... maybe give them a few days or so to get over any shock first.

Have you noticed any smell yet?

they friggin stink, have for awhile lol. Not to the point where they leak out of the grow tent, but when you first unzip it, its such a beautiful scent. I heard thats common trait of Jack Herer and its offspring, but I dunno.

Thanks, too... I have never tried growing but I spent a solid 2 or 3 months gathering every little bit of knowledge here on cann-com. Not sure if its Fox Farm, the JackTR, or just beginner's luck but these plants have been very kind to me so far.


It's looking great man and you seem to have a gentle touch with your plants.
I personally think LED is the future so this is interesting to me fo sure.
Once the prices go down people will start switching to these babies more and more.
Nice job so far and gl in the future.

Puffzter

Yeah I was always keen on the idea of growing pot; WhiskeyTango's experiences with the Procyon though pushed me over the edge, it seemed like a really fool-proof light. And so far, it is... :D

Thanks for all the nice comments again, everyone... highly appreciated :rastasmoke:

Cheers
DrSpiggity

[hydrocannabis]

so hows the led light working out for U?


and UR lil ones R looking great.

[DrSpoof]

so i learned a valuable lesson today. being a good pothead does not necessarily make you a good pot grower. (actually, its prolly the opposite lol) somehow, i forgot to water the GD plants all week. two of them are quite shriveled. Not "im dead for good" shriveled, but "uhh i fuckin hate you and its gonna take me some time to recover" shriveled. I hope. Having never grown before, I dunno if plants can bounce back from such neglect (6 days between waterings... granted its normally 3 or 4 under LED + CFL so perhaps not as bad as if I were using HPS/MH...)

So, watered them thoroughly (also sprayed a little to get some water to the leaves), then moisture metered each plant to make sure they didnt need _more_ water... I think thats part of the problem, my grow closet / area is such GD tight that its really hard to moisture meter the plants in the back. I kind of just go by the front few and then water the plants as a group. I know youre supposed to water them individually, but I have to pull them all out to do so (much easier since I put them all in 2 rubbermaid buckets, ps... also keeps the drainage off my growhut floor, which is an added bonus) and therefore my lazy ass doesnt wanna do it that way... I guess flowering will be easier since there will be less plants...

Also switched in my 2700k bulbs for the 5500k's I had in there, because tonight these girls are going on 12/12. They're all at least 10" tall and they're 50 days old, so I think they're ready. Still cant tell much from the preflowers, not sure if JackTR is just a slow preflowerer or its 24/0 or LEDs or just being a noob... I figure at 50 days old even with the setbacks I've had, they should be mature enough.

Oh, and some stats. Got a kill-a-watt the other day.
Procyon = 125 watts
Exhaust fan (4" vortex w/ fan controller about 1/3 strength) = 40 watts
Circulating fan = 24 watts
4 CFLs (veg) = 108 watts (4 x 26w 5500K)
4 CFLs (flower) = 92 watts (4 x 23w 2700k)

Whole operation pulls about 3.2 Amps and just under 300 watts (veg, around 275W on flower).

Cool shit. That means in flowering it'll be 275W half the day, only 64W the other half (LOL). LEDs rule.

DrSpiggity

[hudson88]

Wow looking great doc, i wouldn't worry about them going a couple extra days without water, they'll bounce back ;)

Can't wait to see them buds grow :D

[DrSpoof]

Girls bounced back just fine... all gained 1-3 inches since Sunday. Right now I'm thinking 2 definite males, 2 definite females, 1 maybe female, and 3 maybe males. I'm gonna have to wait and see a few more days before I can be more positive.

I also think I may have to water every 2 or 3, not 3 or 4 days... the CFLs, while still pretty cool, seem to make the girls get thirsty more often when added to the Procyon.

Here's some pics. First pic is LED + CFL on, other 4 are only CFL. Only have like another 6 inches to raise my lights, so I'm not sure how that'll work... I guess by the time I thin the girls out in the next week we'll see.

DrSpiggs

[GreenDestiny]

Doing great, hopefully they don't get too big for ya!

[SnSstealth]

looking good spiggs!!!
whiskeytango

[anbesol]

Are they on 12/12 yet? they look really big for cfl's and LED's you want to be able to penetrate the bottom aswell

[DrSpoof]

Updates from 7-28-08, since the server's been down.

3 definite males, pulled em out and threw em away. 3 definite females, and 2 that i'm keeping my eye on but that i'm fairly sure are female.

First pic is the 5 girls left. Second and third are the only good close ups I could get of females, fourth is a blurry balls shot.

Gonna transplant into 3 gallons tonight I think, will post back with updated pics after. :jointsmile:

DrSpiggity

[grow1964]

Great work so far!! I am just getting ready for my first grow and JTR was also my choice. The onl thing I will be doing different is growing in coco with a 600 HPS. Should be interesting to comapre notes afterwards.

[grow1964]

I was also looking at those leds and was thinking about getting 2 of them. I could then run 800 watts for the cost of 200 watts. I would love to see them come down a little in price frst though and am waiting to see a couple more grows. Im really looking to see if you finish up with nice dense buds or if they finish loose.

[DrSpoof]

yeah grow, the plants all started off with good, dense growth, but theyre nowhere near uniform anymore and I worry about the procyon / cfls ability to penetrate the foliage...

I'm assuming that this weekend would be a good time to cut a few clones and make myself a mommy? that means another trip to home depot... yayy, havent been in a few weeks :thumbsup:

PS -- transplanted into 3 gallons last night, went very well, am using every square inch of floor space now... definitely trying scrog next time, itll be nice to have a little more control over how the girls grow...

update later w pics from last night

DrSpiggity

[SnSstealth]

hey spoof,

i dont know why you would have penetration issues...see the buds on the lower left of this pic? they were 2 1/2' feet from the arrays for about a month. and while we did prune away some, they werent in direct light the whole time. I'd think with the cfls added you should do wonderful. just do some light(no pun intended lol) rotation to your plants, move a leaf here or there. we had an uneven canopy across three level lights and it worked out ok(of course it could be better but it was an f1 so we worked with it).

keep up the good work:thumbsup:
db:smokin:

[grow1964]

Hey DR, have you sexed em yet? If not I would wait on the clones until you know for sure who the ladies are.
They look great and accoding to the breeder your growing these just right, No sog or scrog just grow em put as a bush.


Jack the Ripper is well named because it is absolutely killer weed. A true 8 week Sativa Haze the first thing growers notice is the incredible lemon smell and heavy resin production. It has been described by UK growers as the best 8 week haze ever produced.


This plant will produce triangle shaped spear buds that pretty much stopped active calyx growth early and produced copious amounts of resin instead, resin production was evident from day 12 in 12/12 but really started to fatten up the heads around day 50 or so.


I find it performs best unstopped with a long vegetive period. The high is very creeper at first you may think that its not so strong but then whammo...it hits you hard and there's no turning back then...you will be deep in thought and meditative for quite some time...the duration and intensity is strong and thought provoking.


1. Phenotypes - Two main phenotypes both with a Lemon Haze smell and short growth one tends to be more a pine smell.
2. Height-Look for the Short Pheno/ Colas swell late
3. Yield-Medium-Heavy / Moderate trim work
4. Indoor/ Outdoor
5. Best way to grow- Untopped and vegged to a full bush.
6. Harvest Window_8-9 weeks
7. Sativa/ Indica 70/30
8. Hybrid-Pluton X Purple Haze X Lambsbread X NL X Jack Herer X Romulan X Cindy99BCGA
9. High type-Intense, trippy, visual, phase shifting, increased heart rate, heavy crash increased appetite, pain relief, paranoia

[DrSpoof]

grow -- yeah, theyve been in flower for almost 2 weeks now, i pitched 3 males and im 95% sure the 5 i have left are all girls...

db -- hah having never grown before, im not quite sure what to expect. so far i dont appear to be having any issues, i just worry with how leggy some of the girls are getting as well as the fact that i can maybe raise my lights another 6 inches... i may have to top these girls or something, i'm sure i'll be asking ya'll for advice on that soon too lol

Here's the pics of the 5 girls before their transplant last nite. didnt take any pics of the after, as it was past 1 am when i was done and i just wanted to hit the hay. The 2 girls in the first pic are 24 and 17" tall, and the 3 in the second are 13, 15, and 19" tall... the 15" one actually grew two main stems, it was my late planted seed so I guess it had to branch out early to find light... crazy. :jointsmile:

Spiggs

[DrSpoof]

Hmm, it appears the transplant has stunted the girls' growth a little. All gained about an inch in the last 4 days after averaging 3-4 inches every 4 days for the first week and a half of flowering... i buried some of them a little deeper than intended, and screwed up the root ball of one, which is prolly why its the runt of the group. =(

Here's some pics. First 3 are the girls out for watering, second 2 are a shot of them in the growhut... like I said, starting to run out of room and I have 6 weeks left! lol... didnt get to cloning this weekend, realized I'm short on ingredients and somewhat long on time... so surprisingly, i procrastinated. ;)

:jointsmile:
DrSpiggity

[SnSstealth]

lookin good! I am on day 6 flowering...
Wt

[hydrocannabis]

very nice looking. can't wate to seen budding.:D

[dodohead]

looking great spoof, keep up the good work:thumbsup:

[DrSpoof]

hey all -- plants are looking even bigger, each plant seems to have grown 2-5 inches over the last 5 days. Raised my lights basically the highest they can go... not sure what to do once the big girl gets any bigger! She's 31 inches now, the others are 22, 20, 18 and 11. The 11 has always been the runt of the gorup, while the 18's main stalk has actually stunted and a higher, bigger side stalk has emerged from under the shade of its neighbor.

first 2 shots of all girls, 3rd of the big'un, and 4th/5th of them in the grow chamber...

DrSpiggity

[bickeybammer]

i would just supercrop the top of your biggest one or do some lst to it... dont wait to long to lst tho because you might break some branches ... but everything is looking really good :hippy:

[tokr2153]

looking good keep it up

[SnSstealth]

lookin good spiggs!:thumbsup:
whiskeytango

[DrSpoof]

Girls lookin good...

Heights 33, 26, 13, 29, and 23. You can see from the second pic that I tied the big girl down a little on Tuesday.

Starting to get all frosty on the tops... I want to lick them. :jointsmile:

Not having to water them all that often, just went 7 days in between watering (generally use a full watering can (2 gallons) for all 5 of my plants, which are in 3 gallon growbags) and the moisture meter was either 4 or 5 for each plant.

Doing the best I can with my light setup, I think its going pretty well... :thumbsup:

DrSpiggity

[grow1964]

Hey Dr looking great!! Very healthy ladies and the bud production looks great too!! In fact I am watching a grow of JTR on another site as well and they are into week 5 o flowering with a 600w HPS and by far you are looking much better. Theres a link below to the other grow if you want to compare.
After seeing what you've done with these ladies here I am convinced the led setup is the way to go.

With 4 week or so left for your grow I am looking forward to seeing how these babies finish up!!!



Koopa's JTR - Marijuana Growing Forums (http://www.thcfarmer.com/forums/f55/koopas-jtr-943/)

[SnSstealth]

hey dr.,

:greenthumb::weedpoke::clap:Lookin good!

...umm...I was comparing our pics to your day 19 pics to our day 20 look-in (I know differing strains ans such, also i dont know JTR's flower time) and the HKxBI (7-8week) seems to be about even with your mid to tall plants, we also 1week 1/2? ago took clones and went to 3 gal for all. church is near size in flower and big. the SB is a little behind but still flowering, but this should be normal. (sorry didnt mean to drag that on... the point is?...lol)

the CFLs, I believe there helping just not sure how much. your nodes are a bit tighter on the taller girls. but these are also the originals w/ the old blues in em so... I dont know... i guess their are more variables than i thought...any ideas?

db:smokin:

[joedirte]

"two of them are quite shriveled. Not "im dead for good" shriveled, but "uhh i fuckin hate you and its gonna take me some time to recover" shriveled."

LOL damn dude thats fuckng halarious!!!:S2::S2::S2::gunfighter2::gunfighter2: :gunfighter2:

good grow show too btw. you are brave to have bought a procyon or whatever. and SNS if your reading, ive read your led grows (took me a week to read one...) and i gotta hand it to you.:clap::clap::clap:

[DrSpoof]

grow -- thanks for the compliments, I am amazed at the fact that these things have practically grown themselves so far... fox farm + procyon seems to be a fairly foolproof combo :thumbsup:

stealth -- JTR is an 8 week, so we should be finishing within a week or so of each other... I still havent taken clones, which should set me back a bit (I know I know im really really starting to lose window of opportunity lol)... as for the variables, just too many to consider I think. I've been keeping track of where each plant is physically placed in the growhut (so i can rotate) and it appears--in between waterings and rotation--that the plants that are directly under the CFLs gain 1.5 - 2x the height of the plants that are to the side of the CFLs, getting mostly just LED light. YMMV.

joedirte -- thanks, luckily I've managed to get back on top of things, that was a span of time where work got really crazy and my plants weren't flowering yet so I didnt _want_ to tend to them nearly as much as I do now.

Flowers are even bigger. And more beautiful. My lord, they're beautiful. I'm prolly gonna have to tie down the 2nd and 3rd biggest girls soon, too.

Question: Running between 71 and 78F. Humidity has been between 50 and 67%. Hard to get anymore airflow since the grow box is stuffed in a corner of the cellar. Turned up the intake fan even higher *ran around 1/3 - half strength, dialed up to about 2/3 now) to try and get more circulation/ventilation. Anything else I can do, short of buying a dehumidifier? Am I at risk for bud mold with these conditions?

Thanks again all, for the help and the praise :jointsmile:
DrSpiggity

[joedirte]

when in flower, i try to keep humidity below 50% for two reasons.
-no risk of mold
-the carbon filter will clog at himidity levels above 55%, thus reducing your ventilation even more

[joedirte]

*humidity. sorry

[SnSstealth]

now im not the expert on this, but im almost positive youre too late for cloning. yeah...day 29 now? if they do root and veg for 3-4 weeks im not sure what youre gaining unless there is no backup.:(

we had some humidity issues as well at the end of our first grow. DAMP-RID is what we used. i had a bucket in the intake and got a box w/ 4 hanging "closet" damp-rid dryers, they're meant to be hung from the clothes rod but i zip-tied them directly at bud level and after a couple days things dried out wonderfully. ill be honest we were getting scared from the almost mold smell that was coming out of the buds. those are very cheap price wise compared to a dehumidifier, but seeing as you are in a cellar getting one after harvest wouldnt be a bad idea.

db:smokin:

[grow1964]

I would say you are at risk of mold with himidity that high. I know there are products out there you can feed the ladies to reduce mold, I'm not sure what they are but I was reading about them earlier, just forgot the name of them.

A dehumidifyer is probably a good idea, have read that a lot of people also use the water they collect to feed as well. Also the denser the buds get the more risk there is.

[DrSpoof]

ok ok so a cheap dehumid it is... not a big deal, ill pick one up at the depot tonite.

i dont care about how long it takes the clones to re-veg and all that stealth, i just dont want to start from beans again. :thumbsup: I should be still good for those purposes at least, right?

Spiggity

[SnSstealth]

ill check w/ WT in a bit.

ltr
db:smokin:

[DrSpoof]

oh my god the frost... just like the pictures on hemp depot. i love getting what i paid for :thumbsup: :jointsmile:

Heights 34, 27, 15, 30 and 24. Big girl that I bent over has turned into a bush as the undergrowth has filled in. Amazing. I think that 3 (maybe 4) well trained plants would work well in my space with my set up... 5 seems a bit cramped.

not much else to report. tired. plants are fuckin heavy. lol. have some pics :D

DrSpiggity

ps i want to smoke these so bad. oh my effin christ they're beautiful. :jointsmile:

[anbesol]

Lookin Nice

thought you may want to take a glance at this, if you havent seen it already

YouTube - LED Marijuana Grow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CtROw3uiVg)

[DrSpoof]

thanks anbesol, have heard of the UFOs but have never actually seen them in action... interesting to see the side by side

one thing i forgot to mention. picked up a Sunpentown Mini Dehumidifier with UV Light Ti02 - SD-350TI : Target (http://www.target.com/Sunpentown-Mini-Dehumidifier-Light-Ti02/dp/B000XSECOY/sr=1-7/qid=1219616811/ref=sr_1_7/601-4157458-7756169?ie=UTF8&index=target&field-original-keywords=dehumudifier&rh=k%3Adehumidifier&page=1) and tried leaving it in the cellar for 2 days... picked up maybe 2 oz of water. moved it actually into the growhut last night.

after 24 hours, conditions went from 74F / 56% to 83F / 37%. So now I can leave it off for a little bit as well as not having to worry about mold.

Happy day! :thumbsup:

Spiggity

ps -- finally ordered my thrive alive b1, pumps, etc, so I should be able to cut 4 or 5 clones on tues or weds and start that process so that round 2 of the op will be ready by the end of september (yayy makin moms lol)

[grow1964]

Whats up Doc? Nice job getting the humidity down. Is it harvest time yet? Must be gettin close.
I have all of my seeds in but I decided I am moving. What I havent decisded is where LOL. Anyway, looking forward to harvest time.

[DrSpoof]

Hi all,

Noticing that most of the girls only need to be fed once a week. Moisture meter read from 5.5 - 7, and I havent watered them since last Saturday. Conditions 58%, 73F. Had to turn the dehumid on 24/7 because it hasnt seemed to be doing much. Had it on 18 hours a day, but still wasnt helping. Thermometer said min of 54% over the last few days, which still isnt as low as I'd like. Hmm...

Heights pretty much same as last week. Bud production has increased a whoooooole bunch. Def can see that flowering 5 plants in this space is too much, not getting the penetration to the lower budsites... Hmm part two.

Decided to reveg my two biggest plants after harvest, rather than try and clone. That will give me a month or so between revegging and cutting clones to do a post mortem, try and sketch out the next grow, and tweak whats needed. Also to make some hash, butter, cannapills, etc... all the things I've been putting off (have made cannapills and green dragon in the past, but have never really really gotten the hang of it, but now have the supply to go wild lol) :thumbsup:

Starting to get some pistils turning on the top of the biggest girl, but other than that, still clear mostly. Probably got about 2 weeks left til harvest.

Question, when should my final flush be done / ferting cease?

Cheers :jointsmile:
DrSpiggity

[Shovelhandle]

Looking rich, man! :thumbsup:

[SnSstealth]

Starting to get some pistils turning on the top of the biggest girl, but other than that, still clear mostly. Probably got about 2 weeks left til harvest.

Question, when should my final flush be done / ferting cease?

Cheers :jointsmile:
DrSpiggity

:greenthumb:great job man. nice crystals.....mmmmmm crystals....ahhhhhhhh

if your 2 weeks from done then id stop fert now, might be three though at least for the ones that arent the biggest girl. is say flush on the next watering then put that dehumidifier on high and in a month or less (curing) youll be tore up:D

db:smokin:

[DrSpoof]

Hi all!

Not much in the way of updates. Girls are chugging along, fattening up for the harvest. :jointsmile: Did my flush last night, put about 6 gallons of water through each girl (in 3 gal bags). Got a pretty sweet adapter for my bathroom sink that replaces the aerator and offers a garden hose male thread to screw into. Should make filling my watering can easier from now on, as well as making flush absurdly easy. :thumbsup:

The two shortest may not really be ready to go in a week to week and a half, but theyre gonna get harvested anyway since I'm planning on re-vegging my two biggest ones. I dont really see the two smallest as offering anything significant in terms of harvest anyway, so whatever. More shake for bubble hash (must order bubble bags this week, reminder! lol and some mason jars... hmm)

Forgot to take pics while they were in my room, got a nice one while they were in the shower draining though :D

cheers
drspiggity

[SnSstealth]

Lookin damn good spiggs!! Those ladies look just like our jack herers. You can tell they are related for sure;)
Approaching that first harvest huh?! I know its hard, but letting those other 2 go a week or so after harvesting the faster one, will make you very happy you did.
whiskeytango

[DrSpoof]

yeah... only prob is i only have one grow space at present... so its more a question of, is it more important to use the space to reveg two future moms or to get an extra half o out of the two short ones... if my t5 fixture comes in this week then i may be able to retrofit another space to reveg, in which case i will let the two small ones go for another week... hmmm

yeah the look and smell of these things is amazing. so citrus-y and beautiful... omfg i cant wait lol :jointsmile:

Spiggs

[hydrocannabis]

dude dude dude dude dude. they R looken real nice.:thumbsup:

[DrSpoof]

http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-growing/85332-new-wave-t5-grow-im-now-believer-2.html#post1017909

omfg. i just got the sickest idea. the t5 2ft x 2 bulb fixture came in this week. its bright as all hell. two 26 w bulbs, 52 watts total. instead of the cfls next grow (~100 w of cfls, 50 on each side), i think im gonna suck it up and buy two more t5 2ft x 2 fixtures. (i bought the current one for moms and clones).

and then, rather than have the cfls where they are (prolly not all that useful), hang the t5s vertically on each side of the tent. omfg would that be a way more useful application of those 100 watts or what. that would be absurd.

the things we think of when high :jointsmile:

Harvesting the big girls tomorrow, maybe. Gotta pull out my 30x and see if I cant get the thing to stay focused for more than half a second.

Question -- guidelines on revegging? I know 24/0 w my 6500k T5s, but what about superthrive / b1 / other ferts? how much per gallon, etc?

Ordered my bubblebags this week. Getting excited... :thumbsup:

DrSpiggs

[DrSpoof]

Final watering!!! tried to just give the plants enough for the next few days. Anticipating a Monday or Tuesday harvest. Maybe Tuesday based on the way my schedule is looking. Seeing mostly cloudy trichs with a little amber; so a few more days should hopefully do it.

Got some different rubbermaid trays for the plants, can now fit 5 trays at a time which is nice because now each plant is in its own tray. Brought in a new intake directly from my room so that there will be something other than heavy moist basement cellar air being drawn in. Have to get a louvre for the vent, theres a faint purple glow emanating from it which looks hilarious in my room at night :wtf: :stoned:

Accidentally cut the power cord for my dehumidifier while I was working on the new intake... whoops. Somehow I don't have electrical tape (in the midst of moving out into my own place again, so all my stuff is in limbo right now lol) so I'll need to pick that up at the home de pot tomorrow too... hopefully the humid whill stay down, I cut the new intake hole to bring in some less moist air bc I've been chillin in the 57-61% range which is way too high for my tastes...

Read a thread in Basic Growing from a few weeks back where sitnky said 2-4 drops of superthrive per gallon for the first feeding of the revegging moms, then just water after that til they turn around. Not sure how much oomph is left in this soil (have to take the trip to the hydro store soon), so hopefully the moms dont freak out too much...

Did some trimming, gettin rid of dead leaves/branches etc. Never done that til now, prolly shouldve started earlier. Getting leaves shriveling in the middle of the plants here and there randomly... weird stuff.

Plants are all very top-heavy. Cant wait to reveg these moms and start playing with cloning. Also need to figure out where the hell my NL x BB seeds got to... lol!

So soon... :jointsmile: :thumbsup:

ps -- def. going with my t5 sidelighting plan next grow. Why not, any good pot scientist would do it in the name of experimentation :smokin:

DrSpiggity

[GeorgeThePigeon]

Very good thread Dr. I've been following various Procyon grows on different foums but most were hydro and I'd very much like to go soil as you did. I have already ordered my own Homebox L & Procyon, Im effin excited! Any update?

[DrSpoof]

The most important update of them all... harvest.

Took down all 5 girls tonight, after a total of 110 days since germination and 60 days since flowering began. Left the two big girls with about 1/3 of their body mass and stuck em under two 24w 6500k T5 HO bulbs running 24/0. Gave em about 1/12 tsp (about .3, .4 mL, or 6-8 drops) of SuperThrive in 2 gallons of water. Only needed about 1.5 gallons, didnt want to go crazy with the water. I'm supposed to switch to veg nutes now starting with next water, right?

First pic is the bud from the smaller 3 plants. Second pic is the bud from all 5 plants. Third pic is the dead/meh plant matter I threw away (had a separate paper grocery bag of good trim that I'm keeping, filled about half the bag), fourth and fifth are the new light and the big girls revegging.

Havent weighed anything yet, still awaiting the bud in the oven for the initial smoke test... Either way, this is pretty much the happiest day of my life. :D I'll check back in with you all soon with some more info...

Cheers :jointsmile:
DrSpiggity

ps -- George, good luck, I'm very happy with the Procyon/Homebox combo and I'm sure you will be too :thumbsup:

[DrSpoof]

hmmm... i have to stop posting replies at odd hours of the night...

update -- hanging in my closet drying at present. smoke test was good, definitely felt like the Jack the Ripper description, not much at first then 5-10 minutes after smoking it was like WHAM!

question, any suggestions on controlling the smell while drying? im receiving complaints from the rents that the whole house smells like a grow op... :wtf: whoops, lol...

DrSpiggs

[chronictacosbom]

nice man looks GREAT im getting stoked on mine. GOOD JOB MAN

[DrSpoof]

update, should be ready to move to jars in the next few days...

not much else to report, been busy with non-weed-related things lately... doh lol

Spiggs

Oh PS -- the revegging looks like it has taken, so I'm gonna try and get those girls into some new dirt soon, theyre prolly not enjoying what theyre in anymore...

[SnSstealth]

Great harvest man....good times a comin. Seems traffic has slown down on my threads too, and your right...I think its because we update at wee morning and late night, lol...
whiskeytango

[SFGurrilla]

Looks like my Jack, Mine was a lot bushier though. Nice man

[DrSpoof]

yeah guerrilla i cant wait to get going again from clones, the unevenness of my plants really killed me in the end...

final weight was ~2.5oz going into the glass jars... gonna obviously aim higher next time. :jointsmile:

lates
DrSpiggity

ps, final verdict on the smoke: this weed straight fucks you up. its almost too strong. i think i may want to plant and sex out some of my blueberry x nls and just work on bonzaing my two moms from this grow... im not sure i can smoke this too often without losing my mind lol :thumbsup: