Obama clinches nomination, plans celebration

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Obama clinches nomination, plans celebration (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080603/ap_on_el_pr/primary_rdp_108;_ylt=At9XnLzW7tiWOZyK6EIyMkgE1vAI)


Obama arranged a victory celebration in St. Paul, Minn., at the site of this summer's Republican National Convention â?? an in-your-face gesture to Sen. John McCain, who will be his opponent in the race to become the nation's 44th president.

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Eyeblast.tv - A Video Portrait Of Barack Hussein Obama (http://www.eyeblast.tv/Public/Video.aspx?rsrcID=2036)

[40oz]

Eyeblast.tv - A Video Portrait Of Barack Hussein Obama (http://www.eyeblast.tv/Public/Video.aspx?rsrcID=2036)

that was a good video. I kind of like the idea of a Marxist revolutionary becoming president...even if he is a little prejudice.

[Fugitive]

And here I was thinking that video made him look bad :confused:
Go and ask the Polish people if communism works in practice!

[40oz]

And here I was thinking that video made him look bad :confused:
Go and ask the Polish people if communism works in practice!


Marxism isn't exactly communism. And regardless if communism works or not, capitalism isn't without it's flaws either. Unless of course you enjoy your place in the class hierarchy and don't mind exploiting the lower class.


That video only made him look bad if you already don't like him or you can't read between the lines. Yea that racial stuff is pretty bad, but so what if his father was Muslim or if he doesn't want to wear a flag pin? What is he gonna do? Get elected then become an evil terrorist traitor who sells America out? I don't think so.

[dragonrider]

I'm glad he has finally sealed it.
The video sucked.

[killerweed420]

Capitalism always works as long as your on top of the food chain.

[rebgirl420]

I'm watching it now on FOX.

I'm glad too. I really doubt he can beat McCain.

:dance:

[40oz]

I'm glad too. I really doubt he can beat McCain.



Idk, I think the republicans are done for now.

[rebgirl420]

I thought that at first too but then I realised that middle aged, white men are the biggest voting block and I just don't think he can pull it off.

[Psycho4Bud]

They all thought J. Kerry was a good pick too.......funny how history repeats itself. A person with known ties to terrorists, church leaders that are racists, and a wife that pissed on the silver spoon the U.S. put into her mouth; GREAT CHOICE for the GOP!:thumbsup:

VERY nice speaches though, to bad his policies are so easily picked apart.:D

Have a good one!:s4:

[40oz]

They all thought J. Kerry was a good pick too.......


Thats because they are all idiots. Kerry was a bigger tool than Bush.

[rebgirl420]

Yes he is

[dragonrider]

I thought that at first too but then I realised that middle aged, white men are the biggest voting block and I just don't think he can pull it off.

Are you sure middle-aged, white men wouldn't vote for Obama? Why?

[rebgirl420]

No, some will.

I just think that Obama is lost on the majority of working class white men.

It shows that in the outcomes of states like West Virginia and Kentucky.

It's not even a race thing. It's more of the fact that he comes off as condensending. Plus many of the working class white majority go to Church and the whole Wright issue (even though completely meaningless in my opinion) really gets to them.

[dragonrider]

They all thought J. Kerry was a good pick too...

I don't think I remember anyone being excited about Kerry, and at the time I worked with some very partisan Dems. I don't think they thought he was great choice --- they were just convinced that no one could lose to Bush. Turns out someone could...

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Communism was founded on the principals of Karl Marx.

Socialism is recognized by Marxists as a stage of communism, Marx writes that socialism causes the State to â??wither awayâ?� as private property and classes become nonexistent. That is impossible, class will always exist and the people at the top always take advantage.

Under Communism all property belongs to the government. The citizens rely on handouts from the government, often giving barely enough to survive. It is just another form of slavery.

No one is better than anyone else, no one should experience failure, and everyone is the same. Is it just me that sees a problem with that? Society stagnates, because success is not rewarded. An old saying in the USSR was; we pretend to work and they pretend to pay us. That is not a good formula for a successful society.

For some reason communism has support wherever it hasnâ??t been practiced as a philosophy of equality. Every communist regime has descended into tyranny and oppression. What really amuses me is the number of people wearing che shirts (a capitalist business). Ah there was more but maybe I'll make a thread later..

[40oz]

Communism was founded on the principals of Karl Marx.

Not exactly. In his earlier days Marx wrote many philosophical articles about religion, society, and his own special breed of historical materialism. The communist party had already come into existance and they asked Marx to write their Manifesto for them because a lot of his writings complimented the communist political philosophy. So no, Communism was not founded on Marxist principles, Marx just gave them a voice.




Under Communism all property belongs to the government. The citizens rely on handouts from the government, often giving barely enough to survive. It is just another form of slavery.


This may be because of corrupt politicians, not communism. Communism is supposed to eliminate private property, because that is what causes a separation between classes (more specifically the Bourgeoisie owns the land and the proletariat are paid pennies to do all the work on it to make money for the wealthy property owners.) With private property in the hands of the government, it reduces the importance placed on finances for the typical citizen (eliminates the rat race we capitalists find ourselves in). Now, I am not saying communism really works, it doesn't because it doesn't take human nature into account. By human nature I mean people who are ambitious will want more material possessions or power than others, and in communism that is not supposed to happen. So communism only looks good on paper, not in reality.




For some reason communism has support wherever it hasnâ??t been practiced as a philosophy of equality. Every communist regime has descended into tyranny and oppression.

Well according to the communist manifesto (and I don't agree with this idea at all) the only way to eliminate the old structure of society is basically to have a temporary tyrannical communist government as it wrests power away from the bourgeoisie. Of course, this opens up many doors for power hungry dictators who just don't want their absolute power to end. Temporary is an ambiguous word and it is not specified how long this temporary dictatorship should last.




What really amuses me is the number of people wearing che shirts (a capitalist business). Ah there was more but maybe I'll make a thread later..

It amuses me too. Che must be rolling in his grave.

[dragonrider]

You guys can argue what communism and socialism are all you want, but since this is an Obama thread, I'd like to say that I do not think Obama is either communist or socialist.


What really amuses me is the number of people wearing che shirts (a capitalist business).

Ha ha! This has always cracked me up too! You see Che shirts being sold in the Gap and these clueless teenagers walking around the shopping mall wearing a shirt with an icon of anti-capitalism. The irony is hilarious! I think they probably have no idea who it is in the picture. It's an iconic image and I guess they just think it's some vague "rebel' or "revolutionary." Cool, I got a revolutionary on my shirt. I'm an anti-establishment rebel. Lets go to the mall and buy some shit.

I'm sure Che would shit himself if he knew his image was being used to sell t-shirts in American stores --- t-shirts probably made by exploited Chinese sweatshop workers who work for pennies a day!

[40oz]

I'd like to say that I do not think Obama is either communist or socialist.


Well I hope he's not a democrat or republican either if we expect to see any real change. Which seems to be the theme of his campaign.

[Dutch Pimp]

Are you sure middle-aged, white men wouldn't vote for Obama? Why?

Obama won't carry the southern states....:thumbsup:..why?...it's a long story.

[dragonrider]

Obama won't carry the southern states....:thumbsup:..why?...it's a long story.

Ha ha! I know about this long story. I was laying a trap for poor RebGirl so she would have to admit her comment about white middle-aged guys not voting for Obama was about racism, but she handled it pretty well... She's wily...

[Dutch Pimp]

Ha ha! I know about this long story. I was laying a trap for poor RebGirl so she would have to admit her comment about white middle-aged guys not voting for Obama was about racism, but she handled it pretty well... She's wily...

:D...:thumbsup:..all vixen foxes are.

[rebgirl420]

Hahahahaha you guys.

Come on, I know my politics and my history.

[thcbongman]

No, some will.

I just think that Obama is lost on the majority of working class white men.

It shows that in the outcomes of states like West Virginia and Kentucky.

It's not even a race thing. It's more of the fact that he comes off as condensending. Plus many of the working class white majority go to Church and the whole Wright issue (even though completely meaningless in my opinion) really gets to them.

hahaha. Are you joking?

All I hear is about in the media about the candidates is issues of religion, race, sex, age, like it's so controversal and important. Those are the emphasized issues. These southern white men made up their mind made up from day 1. They'll never vote a black president in office.

[rebgirl420]

Nope not joking.

I know race, sex, religion and such are all completely meaningless (as it shows in my post).

Race is an issue for many White people but I really think that Obama has much bigger issues than race.

Like the fact that he has almost no experience or the fact that he has socialist ideals with his redistrubution of wealth plans.

[40oz]

Race is an issue for many White people but I really think that Obama has much bigger issues than race.


Why is race an issue only with white people? Based on my experience living the last couple of years in North Philadelphia, many black people in my neighborhood despise me because i am one of a very few white people living there. Black people are just as racist as white people in my experience.

[rebgirl420]

^ Of course they are.

The only differerance is that white people make up 3/4 or more of the U.S. population.

[40oz]

^ Of course they are.

The only differerance is that white people make up 3/4 or more of the U.S. population.

Yea but not all 3/4 of them are racist. If you vote for someone for such a superficial reason as having the same color skin color as them, then you are an idiot. Simple as that. Only 1/3 of the whites, maybe even less are probably dumb enough to do something like that. I can't believe that there would be more than that, not in this day and age. I truly hope for the sake of mankind that this election won't come down to the race card.

[rebgirl420]

Amen my friend.

Personally, I am not voting for Obama because I hate his politics, NOT his skin.

I remember early on in the primaries I watched some male news anchors on MSNBC say, "Hillary Clinton might win because of the huge female vote". Like having a pair of ovaries makes me wanna throw myself to her cause. I would never vote for her because she is just as bad as Obama. Socialists unite, form of: Oppresive Government.

Voting for someone because of their race is indeed retarded.


I thought politics was supposed to be about POLITICS.

I blame the giant two parties, Dems and Repubs. They spew this other random shit at us so we forget how exactly horrible each candidate is.

[Coelho]

I believe Obama will win and will be the next usa president.

(Not that Im glad with this... cause im not... but i also wouldnt be glad if Clinton of McCain were to win either. No matter who be the usa president, they always do bad things to my country... some presidents are worse, some are only very bad... but for us who lives under the domination of the Evil Empire, its all the same sh*t.)

[40oz]

Personally, I am not voting for Obama because I hate his politics, NOT his skin.




His politics are pretty shotty. I really have no idea what he plans to do, I just know that he promises me hope and change. It all seems a little brainwashy to me. I don't know about other cities, but in philly there are tons of Obama flyers all over the place that show an image of his face in red white and blue and says HOPE. He's also got that stupid little logo, that O thing. It reminds me of the swastika.



I thought politics was supposed to be about POLITICS.




Well thats no fun.

[rebgirl420]

^ Yeah I pointed that out to my Fiance when we talk our morning politics. It's very "Hitler Youth-ish". Not that he or his politics are like Hitler but more in the sense of the blind following of the U.S. youth to his campaign and empty promise of "Change". It's the buzzword apparently.

I see and hear people chanting this and I hear people yelling at their politicians for "change". But no one really elaborates on this. I believe part of this is that Bush is so hated that people are willing to blindly follow anything thats different. Because shucks, if it's different it MUST be good. Good speeches do not make a good leader. Stalin gave good speeches too.

And no, Obama is no Stalin or Hitler. But he is big enough to really fuck us up for another 4-8 years. But as long as there are people with their hands extended, looking for a government handout there will be people like this.

His politics remind me of Jimmy Carter. And I cannot stand that schmuck.

[thcbongman]

^ Yeah I pointed that out to my Fiance when we talk our morning politics. It's very "Hitler Youth-ish". Not that he or his politics are like Hitler but more in the sense of the blind following of the U.S. youth to his campaign and empty promise of "Change". It's the buzzword apparently.

I see and hear people chanting this and I hear people yelling at their politicians for "change". But no one really elaborates on this. I believe part of this is that Bush is so hated that people are willing to blindly follow anything thats different. Because shucks, if it's different it MUST be good. Good speeches do not make a good leader. Stalin gave good speeches too.

And no, Obama is no Stalin or Hitler. But he is big enough to really fuck us up for another 4-8 years. But as long as there are people with their hands extended, looking for a government handout there will be people like this.

His politics remind me of Jimmy Carter. And I cannot stand that schmuck.

If we had Obama's Eloquence, McCain's common sense and Hillary's ability to gather the best people in one person, we'd have the perfect president.