PLEASE HELP!!

[BeCeLivin]

I am really reaching out here. I have been running into problems late into the flowering for the past year. The same thing keeps happening. The plants look good and slowly over the course of the first 5-6 weeks of flowering they begin to look awful.

The main cola, at 35 days almost looks like a its in a bowl ( I will post pics later) with the leaves surounding what once looked like it could have been a bud. The pistils are not developing properly and I have had alot of yellowing of the leaves. I don't know if its nutes or temp? Lockout? They just quit flowering and I get no yield. From week 4 to 5 they really took a turn for the worst. I can't figure it out.

I use soiless mix, PH is set at 6.5. I use Advanced Nutes,
Grow, Micro, Bloom. Air temp is OK. I am not pushing the PPM up too high as I am afraid of nute burn. But they almost look like they are burning!! My main colas have just quit growing. Please, I need help. I know this message is scattered and right now so is my brain. This makes no sense to me.

It kinda looks like the tops have seed pods developing. Some look like they have been topped but they have not been touched, if that description helps anyone.

My growth has slowed to a crawl and the flowers are not coming out. Please and ideas ???? Questions, as I will be checking this post all day. Thanks in advance to anyone who helps.

[hudson88]

It'd be helpful if you could fill in the troubleshooting form thats stickied in plant problems so that we know exactly what's going on. Pics are very helpful too. I'm sure you'll get plenty of help when you give that information but with what you've said so far many people will be reluctant to offer advice as it's pretty much tryna find a needle in a haystack without it. Especially as it sounds like you've got at least a couple of problems that need correcting. As far as them not flowering the first thing to check is for light leaks as thats something that stops flowering.

Good luck!

[the image reaper]

without pics, makes it hard to diagnose, but I'll toss out some ideas ... the 'pods' developing are likely swollen calyxes, that's a good thing ... plants during flowering do start looking terrible, that's pretty normal ... the plant is devoting its energies to producing flowers, not leaf chlorophyll ... again, normal ... the description you're giving of the curled tops, etc. suggest the temperatures are too high ... measure at top of the canopy ... plant likes it best around 70-75F, but start suffering as you near 90 ... it will survive high heat, but it will not thrive ... good luck :smokin:

[BeCeLivin]

Hi again,

I am posting some picture of my ladies. I am hoping someone kind will guide me through the mess I have made.

Quick Summary

Strain= Lemon Hash Plant
indoor in 2 gallon pots
Soiless Mix- Pro-Mix-- added extra Perlite and lime
PH= of solution is 6.5 each watering
PH runoff --- 6.0-6.3

I use Advance Nutes Grow, Micro, Bloom
supplements:

Vita-Boost, Fat Bud, Peroxide, Overdrive(last 2 weeks)


They were moving along well, then a small heat wave came over a few days and the room was maxing out a 85-95 (one day) ,I have since cut back 2 lights, but it looks like the damage was done. I am stumped!!!

The bud quit forming and they almost look like seed pods on top no pistila showing. I used a progresive watering system where I would slowly increase the ppm. They looked great after 4 weeks into flowering. Now at 38 days they appear to have stopped flowering, they are not packing any size. Please help

[the image reaper]

yup, those are just swollen calyxes, no worries ... also normal for growth to slow to a crawl late in life like this ... you may just be getting near maturity, photo 'looks' like all the trichomes are milky ... 38 days, though, should be looking at another couple weeks, minimum ... keep your eyes open for amber trichs, then harvest ... plant looks OK, otherwise, for a bloomer :smokin:

[Weedhound]

drop your ph to no more than 6.0 and no less than 5.6....keep it there. Also consider flushing to remove some excess fert and/or salt build up.

Those "seed pods" you are talking about on top....they aren't hermie pods are they due to heat stress?

[Weedhound]

Ps.....i'd also consider NOT adding lime or anything else to change the ph around to the soilless mix itself. If you want to change the ph do it with the water you are using instead. Once you've put something in the soil it IS THERE TO STAY which may not be a good thing.

[stinkyattic]

You may well be overdoing it will a stiff cocktail of base and supps. A good flush partway through flower to ensure that your soil is not getting salted from unused fert components, and that the pH is not changing over time, would be beneficial from the looks of things. You will notice that overfert problems show more obviously, and faster, in high temps, when the plant's metabolism is cranking.

[BeCeLivin]

Hey Guys, thanks for the replies.

The pics are not telling the story, they should be much larger by now. The Main Cola has no pistils, it does look like heat stress may have hermie them. THey have not filled in at all, they have quit growing.

The leaves around the cola are twisting and just don't look right. The undergrowth still has white healthier looking pistils. The tops look like they were hit with a hammer

They look terrible, WHAT COULD IT BE????? Heat Stress??

Do I add supplements to my res.? Or do it on another day without my main nutes??

Again , the buds have stopped growing, but they are sticky and smelly. No Size at all. WHY???


My hydro store told me to add the lime , and keep my PH at 6.5 for the soil I am using.

[grey1223]

Your heat issue may have caused them to stop. Get it under control and they'll come back. You mentioned progressive feeding. Week 4 is usually when they consume the highest nutes. 5th week is slightly less. You're in week 6 and your nutes should be lighter yet.

[stinkyattic]

You're on a res, but in soilless. So automatic drip. What's your res like? Are you oxygenating it with something other than peroxide? Have you been checking the runoff pH out of the pots? I am guessing that if you did that, you would find it to be lower than desired. Something isn't right... obviously, lol. How long since the final re-pot do symptoms typically appear? My hunch is that your lime is used up and you are running low on calcium and the pH has dropped. Along with a stiff feeding schedule, those combine to give the symptoms you are seeing.
But check the runoff pH asap and let us know.

[Weedhound]

Stinkster (and everyone else.....) what about rootbound?

[BeCeLivin]

pYes, You are pretty darn close.

I have a 35 gallon Res that I mix my nutes. I water by hand. They have 2 air pumps with air stones submerged oxygenating the water as well as a regular dose of Peroxide. I added the lime at the final transplant to the 2 gallon pots just before 12/12. It takes about 3 to 4 weeks for symptoms of a problem start to appear. Could I add a tbsp of lime to each pot??

My runoff is low around 6.-6.2. The problems I am seeing could be Calcium trouble. Why would that stunt my flower production.

Right now I am not growing any healthy buds. I have stayed on top of all the basics sprayed for mites, they looked fantaastic through week 4 , then the weather warmed up and things started going SOuth to the point we are at today

[BeCeLivin]

If you look really close at the top of the main cola, there are no pistils showing. ANYONE can you please tell me why the flowers have quit developing???

[Weedhound]

The flowers quit developing because the plant is sick. That's what we are trying to figure out.

How about some true specs like room temps, lighting, etc etc. All this info would help a LOT to try and figure out what's going on.

2 gallon pots.....I'll guess rootbound based on available info..;)

[BeCeLivin]

I am sorry , I thought I posted temps and Lighting.

I was using 10 1000w HPS (ballasts in a seperate room) I have 2 intakes and one outake, commercial size box fan. Plenty of power for the room to clear.

Its in a basement where is remains somewhat cool. Until recently temps on the West Coast in Canada were normal. Cool enough to work that size of a room w/o overheating. Then we had a warm snap. I had a Max day of 95 and another of 91, then I dropped 2 lights. The Max is 85-80F lights on humidity seems Ok starts at aobut 70% when the lights come on, then lowers to 50-60% range.

When the lights are off, temp is 72f-78f and the humidity climbs back to 70% area. I run 6 oscillating fans as well .


The Pics i am sumbmitting are of the main cola tops, as you can see there is no development.

I water by hand when I can lift them with ease. Chemical one day followed by water the next. The runoff has a slight yellow colour to it.


Please if there is any other info anybody may need, please do not hesitae to ask. I am leaning on the group to help me solve my problmems

[stinkyattic]

All right that is exactly what I suspected.
-You may not have mixed the lime very evenly, which can lead to blotches.
-Yup, you are running low on Ca.
-Your pH is causing the worst of what you see there.

I'd suggest adding CalMag to your res and raising the pH of your res water to slightly ABOVE what your goal is, to counteract your LOW soil.

In the future, I'd plan to re-pot 6 weeks from your expected harvest date, to make sure that you are going into that crucial time with nice fresh soil that has a correct starting pH. As your lime buffer is used up, you can gradually raise the pH of the water you dump in there to counteract it. Your RUNOFF number is the very most important one, so monitor that closely.
Here's some reading on the subject- You obviously have a really good handle on stuff already, but people just don't think of how much the properties of your soil DO change over time from the action of water and roots.
http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-faqs/148236-why-should-i-re-pot-my-plant-why-not-put-seed-large-pot.html
http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/151941-importance-continuous-canopy-s-all-about-efficiency-baby.html

[BeCeLivin]

Thanks alot

My day is bad already, so I hope this helps

Your time and effort are appreciated

[BeCeLivin]

AM I too late to add Cal-Mag now and save these buds??

[Weedhound]

Never hurts to add but dont know how much difference it will make at this point.

I'm sorry.....did I read this correctly....10 1kw hps....??? 10,000 watts total? Wow!!

[allrollsin21]

''I was using 10 1000w HPS''

the urgency of the thread becomes clear...:D

[stinkyattic]

lol... 10k... That's a shoebox grow by BC standards... (I keed, I keed!)
Your primary concern is going to be dealing wiht the low pH and flushing out the excess fert salts.

You are a big ass grower I take it. So flushing pots individually is not exactly your #1 most favorite way to spend the whole weekend... try this on for size:

Mix up your res with JUST your base bloom fert and calmag, mixed up weaker than you would normally. Put aside the bloom blasters for this feeding and the next. Now set the pH HIGHER than you like it to be for your soilless mix, but not outrageously high. Personally I would choose 6.8-7.0 as a good number to offset runoff 6.2 and with any luck land you right back in your preferred range.
Now I also assume that since you are a big ass grower, you have floor protection down, or drains.
WATER THE LIVING FUCK outta those pots. You are not doing a complete flush, but you want some serious runoff to wash away excess salts. Do this heavy watering once or twice, then go back to your normal fert routine, but this time, monitor your runoff pH (I'll give you a hint on that in a sec) and make sure that if your RUNOFF is low, you run your RES just a touch high to offset that.

Okay. For the runoff thing. Testing a zillion pots individually is going to be a PITA so I'd go around with a big bucket that you have scrubbed and rinsed well with plain water, and a watering can of plain water, preferably RO, but as long as you know the pH it isn't all that important. Just go around the room and randomly pick a handful of pots, pour water through just to runoff, catch this in your CLEAN bucket, for a 'pooled' or composite sample, and test the pH, whcih will give you a general idea of how the population as a whole is doing.
Anyway good luck with your harvest... repeat after me:
PEAT BASED MIXES SUCK AFTER 6 WEEKS!!!
PEAT BASED MIXES SUCK AFTER 6 WEEKS!!!
PEAT BASED MIXES SUCK AFTER 6 WEEKS!!!
lol! Repot early and often!

[Weedhound]

So Stinky......I see you are a fan of peat based mixes......:D (I keed I keed!)

[stinkyattic]

Shhhh don't tell anyone, but guess how I learned about their properties? :wtf:
You ever take a good look at the media in that continuous canopy thread?
You know how many bales of fucking promix I go through? EEERGH. My back protests every time I drive by Agway.

Edit: (I keed you not! hahahaha)

[BeCeLivin]

I hope this works, it looks as if could be the answer. You know I just started having these problems in the past year. 3 in a row have gone bad. Prior to that I put out some beauties. I have upset some people, that is why this is just not making any sense. I have gone to Pro-Mix from SUnshine, but I am still stumped.

I want to thank all of you for your help, it has been amazing the response I recieved. I wish I could repay you for you assistance.

regards

BCLivin

My local has a product called CAL-MAX, sounds like the same sheee-it. Let me know if its not, but I will check it out.

[BeCeLivin]

FOLLOW UP QUESTION

Would you suggest using a product such as Final Flush in conjuction with your nutes such as CAL MAG if you are trying to mend a problem such as the ones I have shown in this thread???

All through Veg and the first 3 weeks of flowering the ladies where nearly perfect. We were very impresssed. Are you suggesting that peat based mixes just go bad after a certain amount of time?? I know I was not pushing the ppm. ALthough I used a couple of supplements with my reg program, I checked everything out with my local shop and they said it was cool to work this way and they gave me a schedule that has even more products being used. I am just trying to avoid this happening to me again.

Would adding lime to each pot help at this point?? I know it would not be real even,,,,,,,,,