Sowed my wild oats - 8 new ones to me

[Opie Yutts]

First and foremost, MUCHAS gracias to the people that helped me get this going. My mother area is down to 2 varieties, and Iâ??m finding it hard to get stoned. Iâ??m hoping that mixing it up a bit will help.

Iâ??ve got 8 new varieties of seeds planted. Some are in seedling soil, mixed with 20% perlite and 3% vermiculite. Some are in a mix of half perlite and half vermiculite. I hope some sprout. So as to not put all my eggs in one basket, Iâ??ve put them in a variety of conditions (I guess 6). All seeds were planted about 1/4 inch deep, and the containers were flooded with water mixed with a few drops of Thrive Alive, and PHâ??d to 6.7. Nothing was done to the seeds, except the Church seed, which was scuffed up a bit with 150 grit sandpaper, mostly along the ridges.

The plants in the flowering closet are in with some clones I just started the day before. To start, theyâ??re on 24 hr lighting consisting of one 26 watt 5800K CFL, about 18 inches above. I have a heat lamp and thermostat in case temperatures drop below 74, but havenâ??t wired it yet since it hasnâ??t been cold here the past few days. Temps in the closet have been around 80, humidity around 40. The laser thermometer says that the surface of the dirt plants are 76, and the surface of the perlite/vermiculite plants are 74.

In the mother closet all plants are on a heat pad, which stays about 92. The air temp is 86, and the surface of the soil not in the dome is 76, while the surface of the mix is 74. The plants in the humidity dome are a different story. The floor of the dome is 102, and the surface of the soil is 92, and the surface of the mix is 90. Does anyone know if thatâ??s too hot? I read on the web that most seeds in general like to germinate in soil between 68 and 90.

I think it will be interesting to see how the results from all the different environments compare. I find it interesting that the surface of the soil is consistently 2 degrees warmer than the surface of the perlite/vermiculite mix. Does anyone know why this is? Is this simply because the soil is darker, and will remain warmer like anything black out in the sun, as opposed to white? Or does it have something to do with the portion of peat that comes with the seedling soil, kinda like a compost heap can get hot, and even catch fire?

Dad gummit, how the heck can you post a simple table, or copy and paste something that was composed with using the tab button? OK, so I guess I have to make the table with a spread sheet, print screen that into photoshop, crop, and save for web. There. If you're seeing it at less than 100% some of the lines dissapear.

Environment Legend
FS = in Flowering closet, in Soil
FM = in Flowering closet, in Mix
MHDS = in Mother closet, on Heat pad, under humidity Dome, in Soil
MHDM = in Mother closet, on Heat pad, under humidity Dome, in Mix
MHS = in Mother closet, on Heat pad, in Soil
MHM = In Mother closet, on Heat pad, in Mix

Strain Legend
F = Feminized
U = Unsexed
WW = White Widow
SNL X NH = Sour Northern Lights X Nevilleâ??s Haze
C = Church
CC = Cotton Candy
BRX = Blue Russian Cross
SWD = Sweet Dreams
MK = Master Kush
WB = White Berry

[Opie Yutts]

Total seeds planted: 24
Total seeds saved: 22 (2 WW, 12 SNL X NH, 1 C, 4 BRX, 1 SWD)

I donâ??t know much about the Sweet Dreams, but the Blue Russian cross is very much in favor with several people in this forum, and is reported to have an up high, and fruity taste and smell. Iâ??m really looking forward to the White Widow. Itâ??s only the most popular strain in the world.

I debated long and hard about this first photo, but I know some of you would give your 6th nipple to see a shot of my toes.

[Weedhound]

HOLY SHIT! :eek: Impressive set up there Opie. :thumbsup: Are you going to go on a clone craze once they all pop? You're going to have a FOREST there!

[Technique2]

Nice! Good luck with all those names.:)

[Opie Yutts]

Are you going to go on a clone craze once they all pop?

Yup, that's the plan, mostly. I'll probably put a couple outdoors and see what happens. I might even end up making a mother or 2 out of an outdoor plant, but the absolute best case scenario would be for me to go from 2 varieties to 10.

[Opie Yutts]

Nice! Good luck with all those names.:)

Thanks. Gottem labeled. It'll be interesting to see the differences.

[Opie Yutts]

I forgot to mention that after soaking them all, I misted them with Serenade, an antifungal. I also forgot to mention that the plants in the mother area are about 16 inches under a 4 foot, 54 watt, 6500K T5 fluorescent.

32 hours:
The temperatures dropped today, and the flowering closet was down to 70 degrees. Iâ??ve never had to worry before about temperatures getting too low in there, since plants in there were always being kept nice and warm with a 600 watt HPS. I rigged up a heat lamp on a cheap thermostat, which comes on if temperatures drop to 71. It stays on until 81, but just too make sure things donâ??t get too hot too fast it has a duty cycle of 3 minutes on and 12 off. Additionally if temperatures reach 83, an exhaust system with a big-ass, room clearing fan comes on, and stays on unless temps drop to 76. If youâ??re interested in how I wired the thermostat or whatever, I made a thread about it here (http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-growing/155899-cheap-easy-thermostat.html).

38 hours:
We have a winner folks. 3 have shown, and Cotton Candy was the first. The other 2 are SNLxNH and SNLxNH. All seeds sprouted so far are in dirt, in the flowering closet. Everything is staying nice and moist still, except the 2 in perlite/vermiculite that are on the heat mat, but not under the dome. They seemed a little close to drying out, so I very gently and very slightly watered them.

46 hours:
3 new ones showed up, all in the humidity dome. Iâ??m very happy to see that a White Widow has popped. If I can only have one out of the bunch it would either have to be the WW or Church, just because this particular lot of bean has been reported very hard to pop. Got one more, but a smaller Church seed just in case I want to try some real fancy mad scientist stuff on it. What that would be, Iâ??m not sure yet.

Sprayed everything with Serenade again. The Cotton Candy â??s tap root looked very furry, which Iâ??m almost positive is just normal root fur. If itâ??s mold, sheâ??s probably done for already.

60 hours:
Iâ??m very pleased to announce that all the babies have emerged except 3 of the 24. All 3 were in the flowering section. Itâ??s obvious the ones in the humidity dome are hatching faster, so I moved the stubborn 3 into the dome. They are a white widow, blue russian, and of course the church. And the church is the one bit we wanted bad. The one that was going to make me. Actually I want a white widow most, so Iâ??m pleased 3 have come up so far. I just wanted

[Opie Yutts]

Oops. I was trying to say I wanted the church to thrive because itâ??s reported to be a hard starter.

[Technique2]

Good news to hear on the sprouts popping:thumbsup: With the variety you have you should be VERY pleased come harvest.

[Opie Yutts]

About 5 days now and and they've all sprouted, except of course the church seed. They are stretching like crazy. I need to get more light on them today, and probably give up on the church. Mentally anyway, not physically just yet.

[Weedhound]

Those damn church seeds.....:mad:

[MVP]

Opie, get my email from the Hound and shoot me a quick message. Do you like indicas or sativas better?

[Opie Yutts]

Will do. I like the strong high of indica, but there are times I want to work and stuff while I'm stoned, and normally sativas are better suited for that. They're also better suited to the outdoors. Hmmm, I guess if I had to choose only one though, it would be the indicas.

[Weedhound]

It's funny I used to be BIG on the indicas and am slowly changing over to the sativas myself in general. :cool:

[Opie Yutts]

It's funny I used to be BIG on the indicas and am slowly changing over to the sativas myself in general. :cool:

Hmmm.

[Opie Yutts]

Hereâ??s a photo of them from yesterday, when I put them under the new lights. The lights are 2, four foot, 54 watt, 6500K T5 fluoros. That should eliminate stretching, weâ??ll see. I swear I could nearly watch that darn cotton candy stretching. She never actually let me see any growth, but Iâ??d leave the closet for a few minutes, and when Iâ??d come back sheâ??d be taller.

Iâ??m not holding my breath on the church or the SNLxNH in the last photo, which hasnâ??t moved in 2 days. Also, I canâ??t tell if the 2nd from last photo is an example of damping off, or she just stretched so much that the stem couldnâ??t handle the weight. At the first bend, the stem is just a little smaller, which has me a little worried. Oh well, so far so good. Still 21 good ones at this point. Iâ??m happy so far.

Got a small oscillating fan on them, and switched lighting from 24/0 to 19/5. The ones on the left side are still on the heat mat. I had to water the ones in the perlite/vermiculite mix. It is drying much faster than the soil. Note to self: use higher concentration of vermiculite if making another seedling mix. Something like 70/30% vermiculite/perlite.

There were seed shells still holding the first foliage captive on 2. I picked them off, and nothing happened on the SNLxNH, but I got to watch as the WW slowly opened up. Never saw that before. I know, silly. But Iâ??m normally a cut and paste hydro, mother kinda guy, and donâ??t plant a lot of seeds. It was touching for me. Is that so wrong?

[Weedhound]

hmmmmmmmmmmmm. :D

Stake that snakey looking one. I don't really see a problem with the stem health myself and I think that's a pretty good photo. The ones I've capped by damping off have had definite brown rotting part right next to the soil in the stem. I don't see anything like that in yours.

F*#(@ church seeds. Give the other Snl x nh a bit more time if you can.

[Weedhound]

Yes....it's very wrong. WRONG WRONG WRONG!! :D

I'm always proud when I see that first teeny little set of true leaves all jagged and small.....:jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

You know opie if you very carefully bury all that six feet of stem on that long plant you'll have a short plant again and it will just turn into root.

[SnSstealth]

ahhh...finally back to the house...VERY informative and well explained opie!!:thumbsup::jointsmile: claps, kudos n such...
The way you explain things is kinda Alton Brown on good eats...I dig it! Usually being very baked when I am on here, or watching said show, I can follow ya..shit man, I am stoner rambling...
Great thread!!! cant wait to see the results...subscribed!!
whiskeytango

[Opie Yutts]

Thank you whiskeytango.

[Opie Yutts]

Mostly the plants are doing good, and even the one that didnâ??t move for 3 days finally decided to choose life (2nd photo). I think itâ??s weird that a plant can sprout and grow for 3 days, then hibernate for 3 days, then grow for 3. Thereâ??s still no sign of the church plant, and 3 others are having problems. I would very much appreciate any advice on the 3, or the entire lot for that matter. Should I give up on the church? Iâ??ve heard reports of seeds taking 3 weeks to sprout, but I donâ??t really think thatâ??ll be the case here.

I took Weedhoundâ??s advice and staked the snake, but I donâ??t think sheâ??s going to make it. Can you see the thin spot in the stem now (3rd photo)? It gets thinner daily. There is another one having the thin stem problem in the 4th photo, but not quite as bad (yet?). If this isnâ??t damping off, what could it be? Hereâ??s a good article on damping off. (http://tomclothier.hort.net/page13.html)

I sprayed the soil with Serenade once before they hatched and again just as they started hatching. Can you spray with Serenade too much on young ones? And would this even help? I donâ??t understand how it could be any kind of fungus when there is a fan blowing directly on them, and I only water when they get pretty dry.

A third problem child is in the 5th photo. She wonâ??t open up, wonâ??t get taller, and seem less healthy every day.

Any ideas? Anyone?

[Opie Yutts]

Hereâ??s a shot of the foliage of the snakey thin-stem one. It is the worst looking foliage of the bunch.

[Opie Yutts]

Iâ??ve given the first drinks to the dirt plants now, but the ones in the perlite/vermiculite have to be watered almost daily. Note to self: if possible, just stick with dirt when sprouting seeds.

Weedhound, I hope youâ??re right about replanting the tall ones deeper, because I did 7 of them. I wanted to do more, but Iâ??m afraid, very afraid. Now keep in mind Iâ??m not a dirt farmer, but Iâ??ve always thought that burying the stem would be bad somehow. I donâ??t know, maybe by suffocating it or making it get moldy from being next to the damp soil. Also one reason I like to put the seed right into soil is because the less you transplant and screw with them, the more likely they will be to thrive. Anyway, weâ??ll see I guess. Even though they stretched, I left the white berry and master kush alone, since there were only one each. I did put a little more dirt in their containers though.

[Treetops]

Opie,
Dont be afraid to sink those babies right up to the embryo leaves...you will be glad you did...Like Weedhound has said, it will grow roots out and be a much sturdier and stronger plant from then on..

Give it a go..

Peace,
Treetops :thumbsup:

[Opie Yutts]

Where'd my post go? I'll try it again. Thank you Treetops, it's nice to have a second opinion. No offense intended to WH, as she and stinky are still my two main goddesses of green. This whole burying seedlings thing is alien to me. It seems to have worked fine so far.

[Weedhound]

opie I'll have to check my bottle of serenade....not sure if it's safe for babies of that age.

Treetops is right...won't hurt them whippers at all. :thumbsup:

Hey are those ALL going to go in soil or some in hydro or ??

[justanotherbozo]

been following from the beginning, just didn't have anything useful to add.

Weedhound and Treetops are right, you can bury that stem right up to the cotylodons (lol, did i spell that right?), if you hadn't, those with the stems getting thinner would surely die, i've watched it happen. i'm not sure this will save them but they were gonna die otherwise so i hope this works for ya.

anyway, can't wait to see these babies grow, rock on man!

[Opie Yutts]

Hey are those ALL going to go in soil or some in hydro or ??

Not sure yet. My plan was to make mothers from the best, but I'm having some problems getting my cuttings in my new cloner going, so I may end up starting a few feminized ones in a real grow, real soon. If so, I'll probably put the ones in the mix in some hydroton, in my Emily's Garden.

[Opie Yutts]

just didn't have anything useful to add.

You don't necessarily have to add something useful to post in my threads. Thanks for looking in and for the 3rd opinion.

And funny avatar. Looks like yours needs to talk to mine a bit.

[Weedhound]

How do you both keep your youthful, wrinkle free looks? I have trouble just shaving every day......:D

[Opie Yutts]

It's simple. We lie about our age.

[Opie Yutts]

opie I'll have to check my bottle of serenade....not sure if it's safe for babies of that age.


WH, I checked and it's not really specific. It just says to spray leaves, stems and new shoots to runoff.

[Weedhound]

You know Opie thinking back I used it one two times in one week.....then put my hot lights on them and suffocated them. Did you spray just once or? And what are the temps near your babies?

[Opie Yutts]

I sprayed the surface of the soil and mix immediately after the initial watering, then again about 2 days later, after the first 3 had shown. The surfaces of leaves are 77, and the surface of the soil, and air temp is 80-83. I turned the oscillating fan from the low to the high setting 3 days ago.

[Weedhound]

How are they doing these days...better? Same? Worse?

[Opie Yutts]

Just over 2 weeks now. All plants in the perlite/vermiculite are dead except 2, and possibly 3. All plants in the dirt are thriving wonderfully, except the church. Fuck perlite/vermiculite mixes.

[Earthy Dank]

Just over 2 weeks now. All plants in the perlite/vermiculite are dead except 2, and possibly 3. All plants in the dirt are thriving wonderfully, except the church. Fuck perlite/vermiculite mixes.

Perlite/verm. mixes are good for bigger plants. Try starting them in just regular pro-mix and then when you transplant, use 60% pro-mix 40% perlite. I also drill the holes two inches from the bottom. This mix has been pretty good for my setup.. just remember to water them everyday.

[Opie Yutts]

Hello Earthy. What is promix made out of? Can you start them in that, then put them in a hydro system?

[Earthy Dank]

Hello Earthy. What is promix made out of? Can you start them in that, then put them in a hydro system?

Its just peat and perlite.... You probably want to use rockwool cubes or a sponge square if you're gonna switch it to hydro. I would put it in the system soon to prevent stress...

[Weedhound]

I like the rapid rooters myself.

[SnSstealth]

been offline due too a comp fuck up....any pics opie? think my whole garden took a shit:mad::wtf: hope all is better for you....
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

yeah what IS going on over there Opie?

[Opie Yutts]

Greetings gang, been off on a fixer-upper boat project. Here's the update:

All perlite/vermiculite seedlings bought the big one except two. I don't get it, since it looked like damping off, yet there was plenty of ventilation and antifungal. All plants in dirt are thriving nicely with a few exceptions. I put 9 out in the woods, and when I checked on them about a week ago, one was trampled and one was dug up. Perhaps Liquid Fence doesn't work quite as well as I initially thought. The others were doing great. The ones remaining indoors are doing great, except for the master kush, which came as close as possible to dieing of thirst without completely dieing. I think she'll recover, but she's still not out of the woods. Another lesson learned.

I hope everyone is doing well.

[SnSstealth]

WB opie....glad some lived.....
WT

[Opie Yutts]

OK I guess I might as well put up a couple photos while I wait for my pizza to get done. All seedlings got 1 gallon pots this evening, except the MK.

Photos 1 and 2: The newly transplanted seedlings
Photo 3: A newly tied down AK-47 mom

[Opie Yutts]

Photo 4: The top shelf; mostly BBxNL and 4 AK-47 clones ready to go outdoors. I already dug the holes and filled them with good soil.
Photo 5: Notice how the 4 clones on the left are so much more bushy than the rest of the same kind. The bushy 4 were started in a cheapo aerocloner, while the others were started in dirt. All were started with DipNGrow.
Photo 6: The poor sick Master Kush. She is looking better now. I really want her to survive, dad gummit.

[SnSstealth]

MK shall survive.....i have willed it....heh
WT

[Weedhound]

What you have there looks damn good Opie.....very interesting thought about the aerocloner vs the others.....HMMMMMMMMM. :D

That MK will make it unless you come up against another issue....mines all lanky looking like that as well and X-C got a lanky one too........HMMMMMMMMM. :D :D You may lose those leaves but I'll bet the stem is still good.