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SnSstealth

05-16-2008, 03:25 AM

Hello again all, and welcome to "LED...The Second Coming..."

Few changes from the first go round. Mylar removed, walls primer/painted flat/matte white. 8k BTU portable AC (pic) with the exhaust in the hole the AC used to come in. (pic)

8 of 8 Plan B Smashberry F2s popped!!!...so happy:jointsmile: Out of these a few mums will come. Gonna take 7-10 cuttings from each mum, and flower the clones with the mums, minus 2 clones, from hopefully 2 moms, which I hope to bonsai mom...from the Styrofoam they go to 1 gal (6in) pots...for SOG

3 of 5 SNLxNH popped...others look good n fat, so any day...they will go in 3gal pots, and LST or SCROG...still haven't decided...should soon i guess, lol.

I think thats all for now, we'll keep ya updated.
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

SnSstealth

05-16-2008, 03:27 AM

oh yeah...really stoned sorry, but the AC takes 2x2 outta the room,
so now we got almost 7x2, so the 3 procyons will have a much brighter footprint, they look SO bright with the flat white, more so than the mylar...I am sure thats gonna be a huge difference too.
whiskeytango:smokin:

SnSstealth

05-17-2008, 01:37 PM

sprouts this morning...woo-hoo!!! ALL the Plan B Smashberrys popped outta the dirt, and 4 of the SNLxNH...I moved some dirt around, and that 5th one is coming, maybe too much dirt above seed... The room is definitely brighter with the paint than it was with the mylar...pic from last grow for comparison...
guess thats all....
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

Weedhound

05-17-2008, 02:00 PM

Ok....thats a bit better with those SNLs......:thumbsup:

SnSstealth

05-17-2008, 03:18 PM

lol...all the posts and everything from yesterday are missing...even some rep....weird...
whiskeytango

SnSstealth

05-18-2008, 12:16 AM

bump

Dutch Pimp

05-18-2008, 10:56 AM

lol...all the posts and everything from yesterday are missing...even some rep....weird...
whiskeytango

I think all posts on the 16th of May...took a hike...:wtf:

oh well...carry on...:thumbsup:

SnSstealth

05-18-2008, 03:56 PM

aaaaaaa

05-19-2008, 03:13 AM

Looks like you got the perfect setup the second time around. Sns I'm thinking of getting a procyon or 2 for a closet grow, but dont want to cut any holes in the wall. Do you think I would have a heat problem with 1 procyons in a 3x4x7.5ft closet? Could I get away with 2?
good luck :cool:

Weedhound

05-19-2008, 03:25 AM

They BETTER have hatched......:wtf:

bombdiggity

05-19-2008, 03:32 AM

congrats on ur germ success!

GreenLeaf420

05-19-2008, 04:16 AM

Hey good to see another time around:thumbsup::thumbsup:

The last grow with the 3 Yielded how much?

Do you think there will be any major changes this time around?

Well Good Luck :jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

SnSstealth

05-22-2008, 06:32 PM

thanks all!!....and welcome back to C-dot...I had bad withdrawls, dont know about you guys....lol

aaa...you could get away with one, but with 2 you may need small intake/exhaust....If you really dont wanna cut a hole, get a couple fans, and crack the door when the lights are on, with a wal-mart stand up long fan? (you know what I am talking about?) Its not fan blades, its like a long squirrel cage...eh....fuck it, I hope you know what Im talking about...lol
GL, last 3 plants yielded 63g, all 23in plants...and yes, I will go as far as to say once i get the room full, I will be pulling 2.5g/w...I know, steep claims, but I am doing the room completely different this time, the SOG, and LST...
I think thats all, pics up tomorrow before I leave for the casino...poker tournament...wish me luck:jointsmile::thumbsup:
whiskeytango

GreenLeaf420

05-24-2008, 05:20 AM

WOW BIG BIG CHANGE.....

I will be completely sold and investing in PROCYONS.. LOL

SOG,LST How many? Per light..

That's great to hear

Good Luck :thumbsup:

Shovelhandle

05-24-2008, 12:50 PM

on finishing your first grow log. Wow, forty something pages long. Lots of attitudes there. Anyway, good to see a second grow coming right along. Good luck!

Sho

SnSstealth

05-25-2008, 11:25 PM

lol...thanks shov...there were some "personalities" in that one huh?...
whiskeytango

greenatik

05-26-2008, 12:12 AM

definitely will be following this, can't wait to see what a scrog or lst produces under the led's. my buddy is getting huge panels made for his grow room, 1000 w a piece (i think, i was really stoned off white widow and hash when talking to him), all the right spectrums, for 200. so i might have one made too for vegging or cloning or something good :jointsmile:

Weedhound

05-26-2008, 03:03 AM

Stealth forgive me for being such a stoner but on your last grow did you start from seeds or clones?

GreenDestiny

05-26-2008, 05:52 AM

I applaud you for your use of flat white instead of mylar.
Your first grow was an interesting read. I will be following this one now... very very curious to see how well you can maximize your yield. Good luck with your new setup!

SnSstealth

05-26-2008, 12:10 PM

all beans WH....only cloned a few times in the past, getting back on the mommy wagon this go round though...:thumbsup::jointsmile:
whiskeytango

justanotherbozo

05-26-2008, 01:19 PM

thanks for a great read on your first log and i can't wait to see this one unfold (lol, i'll try not to show too much 'personality', wait, that wasn't me, lol)

anyway, you guys are doing a great job, an inspiration to us all!

now, go smoke some of that herbage you grew man!

justanotherbozo

05-26-2008, 01:21 PM

SnSstealth

05-26-2008, 02:32 PM

update....still at 100%, although got a few tiny issues...
1st pic...curled leafs on SNLxNH...ever seen this WH?, got 3 doing it...still look healthy though
gotta few real red stems too, and some soggy droopage, poked a bout 6 more holes in the bottom of each cup... other than that...they look good...Man, I hate the first 2 weeks...till they really start moving...
whiskeytango

SnSstealth

05-27-2008, 10:48 AM

bump*

Weedhound

05-27-2008, 04:30 PM

They look wet Stealth.....let them dry. Mine get like that as well when I first put them in hydro and they get too wet. Yes...more drainage for the little beasts.

Also....do you know the ph of the water you are using?

SnSstealth

05-27-2008, 07:16 PM

Ph is at 6.9-7....gonna lower it down a weee once i water again...thanks WH!
WT

Alohaa

05-29-2008, 07:31 AM

Aloha Stealth,

Congrats on your 1st LED grow.

Question: I missed your reason for canning the mylar and going with flat white paint????? My understanding is mylar reflects approx 95% while flat white paint reflects approx 85%???????

Also: You might consider adding 6 or 8 low watt (6500 daylight CPF) to your veg stage, & switching to (4800 warm CPF) for flowering. I did a combo of the 14 watt kits, with CPF's to fill the light spectrum, and fill from some different light angles.

Alohaa

veggii

05-30-2008, 05:09 PM

I second that! let them dry out but not too much :thumbsup:
I'm a over watering nuckle head too doh!

TheFanLeft

05-31-2008, 09:26 PM

Awesome! I missed watching the first grow...looks like you got some exciting improvements on this one, can't wait!

so, the stash awards are going to be in the next issue of high times...i wouldn't be too surprised to see the Procyon 100 receive one, I have a friend that is close to those folks and mentioned a rumor when we were chatting the other night. Hope you don't feel like one of those emo kids that ends up hating the procyons after they get popular ;).

roundabout41

06-01-2008, 04:38 PM

There already popular, try and get one right now! Great job on your last post, I stepped in line on got 8 14 wt X Lamp kit's. I'll be combining it with my 8% blue flowerforcer 900 led array. Keep the experiments alive, for its because of people like yours effort to inform that we have advanced this far in are scene.

bombdiggity

06-01-2008, 08:16 PM

Hope you don't feel like one of those emo kids that ends up hating the procyons after they get popular

Haha, I didn't know there was already a stereotype for emo kids hating LED grow lights.

:wtf:

Melskid

06-02-2008, 02:22 PM

SNS I have one Procyon I had it about 18 inches above the plants from seeding since May 1st they were getting to be approximately to be about a foot tall and were stuck at about that height I moved it up to 4 feet above the plants last week and have noticed a lot better growth from doing so. I have experienced no turning of the leaves from any of my growing but they are sitting up a lot better since doing so. I am still using the mirrors as I said I was before and the moving up has helped. The mirrors do seem to spread the light better to all the plant I see little shade anywhere on the plants. I'll check in occasionally to give updates I'm going to start flwering in another two weeks I have 5 plants going and they are all looking good

SnSstealth

06-02-2008, 07:55 PM

FUCK EMO KIDS!!!! lol....no fret gents, an emo cry baby i wont soon be...I wish my grass was emo, so It would cut itself....heh

and you guys are right, thanks to us (pats back) they are sold out, and back ordered for a while....we got 3, well, 4 now...so look forward to a solo procyon grow in the next few days....
thefan....check on the grow log section, and the first LED grow is stickied there
thanks roundabout!!!....been saying that all along
whiskeytango

SnSstealth

06-05-2008, 03:03 AM

ok....so the first LED grow we only used one procyon to start the seedlings.....being that there is almost no heat, i went ahead and started them under all 3....do you guys think i burnt them with the LEDs....not sure what the FUCK is going on...got a little new growth, but the leaves appear burnt, and the 3rd leaves are starting out, but not growing vert...just stacking on each other...I dont want to,.....but if these guys are past recovery, I need to scrap them...and that will HURT!!!
HELP!!!!!!!!!!!
whiskeytango

SnSstealth

06-05-2008, 03:08 AM

try pics again........

GreenDestiny

06-05-2008, 04:30 AM

ouch, that's not good. Maybe it is too much light for them... 3 Procyons wow, that seems way overkill for lil babies, I think they only need a little bit of light at first. Try cutting back to just one like you did the first time, then after a couple of weeks add them back.

Anyways, what kind of soil mix are they in?

SnSstealth

06-05-2008, 05:06 AM

fox farm ocean forrest....i didnt think i could overkill them with the LEDs....hmmm, food for thought for ya physicsnole....hopefully they bounce back...
whiskeytango

stinkyattic

06-05-2008, 12:16 PM

Overfert. It's been written time and time again... FFOF is too hot for seedlings. Use Happy Frog or an inert seedling mix instead. Also looks like the effects of superthrive OD (which is technically an extreme N overdose). Looks very wet too. Flush well, add drainage, cross your fingers, but start more because seedlings rarely recover into healthy plants from a stressor that severe in their earliest life stages.
Small seedlings need a LOT of light or they will stretch and flop. As much light as possible without increasing temps to the burn point.

Melskid

06-05-2008, 01:31 PM

SNS I tried planting some clones and put them under the light it killed them all. but the plants I planted are doing great there is no discoloring of the leaves at all. I only water them every 4 days it seems to help in them growing not watering them as much.

gornik

06-05-2008, 02:56 PM

Maybe all that light is overkill. Why not try just one light to start them off, or switch to some floros until they take off, then switch back to LED? Stinky's right about the rest of it. But for seedlings maybe too much LED light is like too much ferts. Less is better, until they're strong enough to handle it.

gornik

06-05-2008, 03:10 PM

I had the same problem two grows back. Your seedlings look exactly like mine did. I made the awful mistake of trying to sprout them along with some plants that were already in flowering under a HPS light and some huge compact floros. Basically, the light killed them. My grow area is limited due to space. I use the little space we have to grow from seed. Don't have any cloning room. I usually end up with five good plants, but that time I made the mistake of trying to fill the space I have because I ended up with only two females. I'll never do that again.

jakezking

06-05-2008, 03:29 PM

I don't know too much at this stage of my growing experiences, but it looks like the lower leaves are yellowed pretty badly when the upper leaves appear healthy - would such be the case if lighting were an issue? My experience with such yellowing lower leaves leads me to believe too many nutes is the cause. Stinky is one of the best I have seen, and I second her emotion.

Congratulations by the way on taking chances with the LED lights. Others have told you already, but with risk oftentimes comes reward - I am happy to see your risk led to reward, and I look forward to continuing to follow your LED grows!

Good luck in flushing your seedlings, and turning them around!

Dogznova

06-05-2008, 03:41 PM

Yes alot of high powerd LED light and a strong soil will do that. Remember things grown under high powerd LED's need way less fert and like stinky said FFOF is strong to begin with so if you mix that with alot of high powerd LED's when the plant are babys ???

gornik

06-05-2008, 03:42 PM

I bought a product a few months ago for my next grow. It's called Park's Bio Dome (http://www.parkseed.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/StoreCatalogDisplay?storeId=10101&catalogId=10101&langId=-1&mainPage=prod2working&ItemId=96064&PrevMainPage=gatepage&scChannel=Gate%20biodome&OfferCode=V1H). They come in various sizes. I got the eighteen cell one because I usually only plant ten seeds at a time. It kind of takes the worry out of watering, etc. I haven't tried it yet, but I'm going to in a few weeks when the plants I have are done. It's a seedling starter.

Which brings me to a question for the advanced growers here. I started with ten seeds and ended up with six plants. There are two left and they were planted the last week of January, believe it or not. They are definitely sativa strains but I didn't even bother to take notes on them as the grow progressed. One is over six feet tall and I have it bent over in the closet. The smaller one in almost six feet. All the fan leaves have fallen off both of them, leaving just the buds. What's weird is that they are basically done at the bottom but not quiet there at the top part of the plants. In fact, they have very little trichs on the top buds and the buds aren't that dense. I plan on chopping them on the 16th whether they're done or not. They've been growing for nearly five months. The seeds were freebies so I wanted to try them even though I knew they were outdoor plants. Has anyone ever experienced anything like this before, having plants take so long to mature?

veggii

06-05-2008, 05:00 PM

fox farm ocean forrest....i didnt think i could overkill them with the LEDs....hmmm, food for thought for ya physicsnole....hopefully they bounce back...
whiskeytango
Its the FF its too strong for the babies> I went thru that a couple mths ago.
btw thanx for the help on that stinky :D
stealth^ I'd start some more seeds but not in the FF ;)

Weedhound

06-05-2008, 05:15 PM

I'm leaning towards the legend as well.....but I'd probably do both....flush well and cut the light back.

I've done my clones with FFoF w/o problems but have never tried it with a straight up seedling. Stinskter what age would you say is safe to put a newer seedling into FFoF soil?

Stealth.....send me an e mail. ;)

stinkyattic

06-05-2008, 05:19 PM

Same age as it's safe to feed it- 5 nodes. Those lil things are scorched to hell from ferts, not lights, although intense heat or light causes increased metabolic rate and in turn that causes problems to show much faster.

veggii

06-05-2008, 05:33 PM

seedlings starter
1. roto rooter (the best) Stinky's recommendation U ROK girl!!
2. seedling starter mix (no nutes or very few/micros)
3. peat pellets (cut the cloth off them first!)
Local tap water has plenty of nutes for seedlings first week.
I would guess?! wait about 2 weeks till transplant them into FF

I was reading my book awhile back>Jorge Cervantes new bible
(indoor/outdoor) and in the seedling starting chapter he has some very good info on starting seeds and how light/nutes/water/temps/etc effect the seedlings and the SEX of them!!!!. You could by strictly controlling them> raise your female to male ratio!!
I don't have access to my Bible know or I would scan and post that chapter for everyone. If you can I would definitely get that book,this is the exact book here :
Barnes & Noble.com - Books: Marijuana Horticulture, by Jorge Cervantes, Paperback (http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Marijuana-Horticulture/Jorge-Cervantes/e/9781878823236/?itm=1)
A must have for all :hippy: :hippy: :hippy:

Weedhound

06-05-2008, 05:50 PM

SnSstealth

06-05-2008, 07:04 PM

thank you guys!!!! wonder why the seedlings were all ok the first go around in the FFoF....SHIT man...I may have lost some REALLY good strains....
cut down to one light, put another 10ish holes in the bottoms of the cups...I will give em till sat to bounce back, then just start more...which sucks even more, because i got another procyon (newer model with the 465s) and I am gonna do a single procyon grow as well....I wanted them staggered, but now it looks like i will be starting both rooms again....AAAARRRRGH!!!
Im gonna go cry in my "noob again" pillow....lol
whiskeytango

stinkyattic

06-05-2008, 07:10 PM

Sez WhiskeyTango: " Im gonna go cry in my "noob again" pillow....lol"

I will make you one in Home Ec. Hahaha. Cross-stich or Batik? :p

SnSstealth

06-05-2008, 07:13 PM

lol...cross stitch!!!!:D
WT

Dogznova

06-05-2008, 09:38 PM

I have a Procyon and a lightblaze 400 and if I get my PPM above 500 I start to get N spots on the ends of my fan leaves and that's on 4 1/2 week old veg plants in a drip hydro set up. At week 5 I flower 16" to 18" plants from clones. If I keep the PPM at around 400 to 450 the plants love it and that's also keeping the LED's 20" away. I have been doing the same strain for about 4 years now and veging under HID 15" to 18" away I can slam the PPM up to 1,100 by 4 1/2 weeks with out one spot on them. So my experience so far is plants under high powered LED's do not like a lot of food. Don't get me wrong it's a good thing but it's something to keep in mind. To make a long story short I use half the strength of nutrient and it works awesome. LOL

justanotherbozo

06-05-2008, 09:56 PM

I like jorge cervantes too and have that book as well but my two favorites are probably

1. Cannabis Grow Bible by Greg Green
2. Marijuana Botany by Robert Connel Clarke
3. cdot. :D

oops thats three......

it so happens that i too have those three books, in fact, i have 'Marijuana Botany by Robert Connel Clarke' as a word document if anyone wants it.

and sorry to hear things aren't going so well, i'm sure you'll work it out, your first log proved how able you guys are.

SnSstealth

06-05-2008, 11:44 PM

thanks bozo....and dogz...you sir are correct, I definitely learned that i was using too much fert in the last grow...maybe there is a co-relation between LEDs, and needing less nutes...soooo.....

ALAS!!! an experiment shall be born...i will use my new procyon to grow out the "control" plants...and the 3 light grow area for nutes...
any suggestions?..outlines of experiment? i was thinking 8 plants in 1 gal pots under the single light....NO nutes, I wont even use FFoF on these...just a soil mix and perlite....little lime for Ph control...
and in the big room...I'll do 3 varying levels of nutes...sound good..imput please
whiskeytango

bombdiggity

06-05-2008, 11:48 PM

sounds like a great idea. i'll definetly watch :thumbsup:

Dogznova

06-06-2008, 02:16 AM

SNS that's a great idea I wish I had the space to do such tasks. Anyway I see you talking about a new procyon, would that be the free one you soooo deserve.... I hope so. :thumbsup:

SnSstealth

06-06-2008, 02:25 AM

I am not supposed to say anything..............:thumbsup::jointsmile:
whiskeytango

Dogznova

06-06-2008, 02:40 AM

Sorry about that. Maybe we can get stinky to remove that post. But you deserve it man....They are good people over there..

SnSstealth

06-06-2008, 03:00 AM

no problem dogz...no need for a whipe....they are awesome people....he just didnt wanna bunch of people askin for freebies that didnt do shit...we did spend $1800 with them too...lol...As a company, I hold their ethics in high regard, as well as the product...they never told us they would give us anything till after LED1...so our appreciation of the product was genuine, and we honestly did probably sell alot of those lights for them....they said thank you, and I really appreciated it...It will now be the star of another experiment!!!
whiskeytango

edit: and while it wasn't ground-breaking, with a few tweaks, I am pretty sure ours is the most successful LED ganja grow...So obviously, they did something right with their light:cool:

justanotherbozo

06-06-2008, 12:13 PM

edit: and while it wasn't ground-breaking, with a few tweaks, I am pretty sure ours is the most successful LED ganja grow...So obviously, they did something right with their light:cool:

i'd have to disagree whiskey, i believe it was ground breaking and i believe you deserve anything the Procyon people want to give you.

anyway, keep up the good work and thank you very much for sharing it here with us!
YOU GUY'S ROCK

stinkyattic

06-06-2008, 01:09 PM

Well fellas- WT and DB- here is my take on just desserts for all this.
Not only did you prove that it is POSSIBLE to grow a crop to harvest under LEDs, you proved that it was POSSIBLE FOR A NOOB to do it. Before I saw your grow and log, I'd always regarded LEDs as a technology whose time was coming, but had not yet arrived, since they were being used mainly experimentally, and by geeks (I mean this in the best possible way; my SO is a serious Trekkie, lol).
Putting a good quality product, with its groundbreaking design and construction, in the hands of a newcomer to this whole indoor scene, and seeing that it WASN'T just for geeks any more, totally changed my view on the things.
So yeah, you deserve the thanks not only of Procyon, but of the industry in general- good showing; keep it up!

Shovelhandle

06-06-2008, 01:33 PM

I would have the "nuted" plants and the "un-nuted" plants side by side under the same lights, watering schedule and everything the same except for the nutrients.

.02 Shov

Dogznova

06-06-2008, 03:24 PM

Ok now that the cats out of the bag. Are the blue lights X-RE ?

SnSstealth

06-06-2008, 07:21 PM

awww...you guys are making me blush!!!....lol
and thanks for blowing my head up stinky!!!...heh
yes dogs, they are the XR-E 465 blues....

jakezking

06-07-2008, 04:42 AM

I look forward to the nutrient experiment. I'm not that coordinated when it comes to nutrients, so I'd like to see the difference in your grows. I'm seriously intrigued about those lights too. I've lurked here and there in your threads, and my apologies for not having left but 2 replies by now; but, I don't like to show my ignorance too much.

From what I gather, you are certainly deserving of the Procyon sponsorship. I just think you need to keep your eye on them - stop them short of putting "Procyon" bumper stickers on your pots.

Be good out there!

GreenLeaf420

06-07-2008, 05:28 AM

That's the truth you guy's are Definitely the true pioneer in the whole LED switch over. May all your goals come true this time around. Then the investments definitely will be made by many of us. With that said there is no price tag for what you guys have done for Procyon. I can't wait to see the tweaks that you guy's make this time around.

Whiskey Tango GL420 :jointsmile::jointsmile: SHIT PROCYON IS IN SPELL CHECK :thumbsup:

SnSstealth

06-07-2008, 11:01 AM

well thanks GL420 (this....is....SPARTA!) and jake....glad to have you guys aboard!!!... hopefully our trials and tribulations with these lights have helped other people...All in the name of experimentation!!!
whiskeytango

do I smell a smashberry x Yeags MTF coming.....;)

stinkyattic

06-07-2008, 11:07 AM

I just think you need to keep your eye on them - stop them short of putting "Procyon" bumper stickers on your pots.Like the hilarious product placement in Weeds? AN stickers on products they don't even MAKE? lol!

SnSstealth

06-07-2008, 02:54 PM

lol stinky!!! next mon....10pm
whiskeytango

SnSstealth

06-07-2008, 04:12 PM

LED...The Second Coming.....:weedpoke:

I am pulling the plug on the life support...Kinda sucks, no...REALLY sucks, but as stinky said, all thats lost is time...

Episode 3...Revenge of the LED...Tues-Wed next week....stay tuned...:joint1:

whiskeytango

justanotherbozo

06-07-2008, 04:58 PM

jakezking

06-07-2008, 06:49 PM

Like the hilarious product placement in Weeds? AN stickers on products they don't even MAKE? lol!

I'm going to have to break down and get Showtime just for Weeds. That is one of the best shows of all time!

I can't wait for the new log, whiskey! I don't know if it's the same for other people, but when I mess up, I tend to remember the lesson a whole lot more. I'm sure your next grow will be incredible.

DrSpoof

06-07-2008, 07:18 PM

WT --

just wanted to say, I mustve read the first LED grow log at least 5 times. I followed it very closely and it convinced me to buy a Procyon (for my first grow... so hopefully theyre as noob-friendly as stinky thinks they are). I have about 4 of 8 seeds starting to sprout and will be starting a grow log on here myself soon, so I will be looking to your second log for guidance (learned something new about FFoF, thats for sure lol... sorry, not funny about your babies. =/)

So yeah, wanted to extend some more props (even though youre already blushing lol) and say thanks for all the time and hard work youve put in for us all.

-DrSpiggity

veggii

06-07-2008, 08:35 PM

Hi guys, got scanner workin :stoned: will attach pic from book.
if ya'll need other pages .... give a shout.
:hippy: :hippy: :hippy:

SnSstealth

06-08-2008, 02:44 PM

thanks veggi

veggii

06-08-2008, 09:33 PM

SnSstealth

06-08-2008, 09:40 PM

My intel tells me a stork may be flying around my way soon veggii:jointsmile:...let ya know which strains in a few days:thumbsup:
whiskeytango

veggii

06-09-2008, 12:29 AM

GreenDestiny

06-09-2008, 04:14 AM

Hey guys I was thinking, after reading that blue light makes more females ?? maybe thats why your %ratio% was down last run. because of the mostly red light, that the procyon's have. Might need to have more Blue for first couple weeks.

hmmmmmm....:wtf:

That sounds like a logical reason. New plants in the maturing stage, when sex is determined, can sense that extra red light which to them means it's later in the season... not much time left for making seeds before it's all over, and would cause more to be male.

It's the only thing that turns me off about LEDs... it's not as simple as switching from a veg bulb to a flower bulb. If they could eventually make a kit of some kind for easily converting a Procyon from flower to veg spectrums, that would be so cool, but still so expensive. Or can the individual red LED lights be popped out and more blue ones stuck into their place? I don't know enough of how they work, but that'd be cool to just plug 'n play with the little LEDs.

I eagerly await your next attempt whiskey. Good luck!

SnSstealth

06-09-2008, 08:13 PM

I think we got 60% female last time. i thought that was just above average for non-feminized seeds. and the LEDs are all soldered in place and the different power requirements, so replacement would mostly impossible. good ideas though.....

db:smokin:

veggii

06-09-2008, 09:52 PM

I thought ya'll had 21 to start and ended with 9 female ??
Ya I wish I had some $$$ I would build the lights one all blue ,and one all red

Shovelhandle

06-09-2008, 10:03 PM

...PLEASE?

I know the lighting <G>, how about the seeds or clones, soil or "other", nutrient regime, any intentional experimentations?

Shov

SnSstealth

06-09-2008, 10:03 PM

Shovelhandle

06-09-2008, 10:18 PM

:thumbsup:

SnSstealth

06-09-2008, 10:25 PM

heh:jointsmile:

veggii

06-09-2008, 11:15 PM

ramble on ..:thumbsup:

Melskid

06-10-2008, 02:14 PM

SNS how do I go about posting pictures of my Procyon grow to this site I only have like 10 replies? it seems I remember from your first grow you needed 50 replies to be able to post pictures

justanotherbozo

06-10-2008, 07:41 PM

SNS how do I go about posting pictures of my Procyon grow to this site I only have like 10 replies? it seems I remember from your first grow you needed 50 replies to be able to post pictures

lol, start postin' man, it'll take you maybe 2 days to post 50 posts
come by my garden and throw up a post (lol, and not as in 'up-chuck)

Dogznova

06-10-2008, 11:23 PM

Melskid..... Click the Go Advanced button below the box you typed in. I don't think you need 50 post. I think I can post pics and I only have 20 or so post..

GreenLeaf420

06-11-2008, 02:01 AM

may add some supplemental blue and be done with it...yeah we ended with 9 girls, but 6 plants died from that Ph/overfert/whatthefuck issue we had...
ya know, sometimes I wish i never turned off my HIDs, but my itch for experimentation got the better of me...Eh, i guess it was worth it...learned (and am still learning) A LOT of mew shit so whatever...Ima quit my stoner rambling again and shut up.....:stoned:

:smokebong:
whiskeytango

Holy Shit I never thought you would ever say that!!!!:(:(

The 2 guy's that put the Procyon's on the MAP!!!

You guy's also get a lot of crazy people to the SITE LOL:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

Are you still strong on the yield that you said in the beginning of the thread to me?

COME ON GUY'S CHEER UP AND SHOW US ALL THIS SHIT CAN BE DONE WITH LOTS OF SUCCESS... IF YOU NEED A PEP TALK ILL GET STINKY OVER HERE :thumbsup::thumbsup:

GL420:jointsmile::jointsmile:

GreenLeaf420

06-11-2008, 02:20 AM

My whole fucking grow I'm sending away and I'm so fucking HAPPY:D:D Ill be waiving and dancing when it drives away to NJ

Quit before your into it to far. I only lost a month but I will have my beds setup and running by Tues w/ plants going into flower no later then the 1st...

Ill stick W/ working w/ the HID'S and you guys stick w/ selling procyon's to growers all around the world... If what your goals do come true your talking major changes in growing for ever.... If it is possible you guy's should tell Procyon you want to market and sell there product. I know it is dangerous but once you reach that goals you have it set I don't think you will have a problem selling 1000's of them to all fellow growers a lot quicker then they can... Maybe even a Job with them ever thought about any of those possibility's a bullshit title but they pay you? They definitely know you two GUYS try to grab up the rights to sell their product... Just a business man's mind stonned and Rabbling

Sorry GL420:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile: I Switched from Sour Diesel to HAZE and I've been getting blazed out!!!!!

You need to switch it up once in a while!!!!

BEST OF LUCK GUYS

GreenLeaf420

06-11-2008, 02:26 AM

hey WT/DB how's it going so you pulled the plug and are starting new seeds??
well atleast this batch you can get a higher female count..:thumbsup:
what strains are ya'll gonna run this grow ??

:hippy: :hippy: :hippy:

What up VEG Have'nt seen you lately. You better pop up in my next grow log.. LOL:thumbsup:

How's Cali treating you did you get your MEDS back?

Throw me a E-Mail

Weedhound

06-11-2008, 06:27 PM

Stealth that overfuck issue is root shit problems.....Grab yourself a good zyme product. ;)

stinkyattic

06-11-2008, 06:32 PM

Yo what the fuck WhiskeyTango! You gotta keep on truckin! The future of LED growing is in your grasp... (say that in your best James Earl Jones voice)!!!

I think you can pull it off if you do it real basic.

Although if you keep a HPS-flowered grow on the side like a mistress... I won't tell! ;)

Weedhound

06-11-2008, 06:34 PM

Need I AGAIN go into the details of my mass seedocide amongst other atrocities with soil??? :wtf:

GreenLeaf420

06-11-2008, 08:09 PM

lunarose

06-11-2008, 11:53 PM

I have been following your grow since you started your first in Jan. I was sorry to see you second grow had troubles have you started number three yet? I am hoping to do an LED grow this winter I just have to figure out the set up plan. I use Fox Farm also but I tend to use around 50% of what they recommend. I'll be interested to see if you discover that LEDs lower the nut requirements. Keep up the good work!

Melskid

06-12-2008, 02:01 AM

I'll download the pics of my grow as soon as I find my cord for my camera. I am using just one gallon planters I got and planting soil I bought at a fertilizer store it cost me 24 dollars for 3 square feet it comes with Gypsum and fertilizers in it already. I have used fertilizers sparingly PureBlend every third watering and I water it every 4 days they seem to be doing good with just the one procyon 100 and the mirrors I have around them. I have 6 plants beneath it now but may be able to get another couple in it. I start my seeds in soil and let them grow a little in natural light for a couple weeks and then put them in there tyhat way all the light doesn't kill them. I tried putting clones in there but they all died so I think it's best to get them started a little better before exposing them to the light. I started the 12 hours last Friday the 6th of June so hope to be puffing in several weeks. I have a couple kush plants in there and a Mexican plant, Just curious to see if it is grown well if it will be better than it usually is shipped North of the Border. Anyways I'll show you them as soon as I can.

SnSstealth

06-12-2008, 03:58 AM

GreenLeaf420

06-12-2008, 05:49 AM

thanks for all the kind words guys....Episode 3...revenge of the LEDs coming in a few more days...gotta get another rapid rooter...then off to the races...my comp has been acting up, so I am back on now...thanks again for the words Stinky, WH, GL...you guys rock!
Melskid...look forward to seeing you start a thread:thumbsup:
:smokebong:
whiskeytango
Glad to see you fellas are back on track. :thumbsup:

Shit hurts when you take the loss. I hacked up some monsters today but hey I tryed to look @ it positive.

Your situation is completely different then all us Hydro or soil growers when we have our issues. Cause your using way different lighting. Your NUTES are less Electric LESS and more PRO's to learn from the PRO's. That's you fellas any help any one can give is watching. LETS GET IT ON!!!!!

God bless and good luck with this grow it's the one:D:D:D

GL420:thumbsupe

GreenLeaf420

06-12-2008, 09:24 PM

Hey Sns What's your medium going to be his time around?

Check this shit out if you get a chance it takes a minute to boot up but #4 seems to be the best for our needs but they all seem better then Pro Mix

Here is a link to all there Soils #4 seems to be the best for salt build up and plants that require leeching....

Thanks in advanced GL420:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

CHECK THIS OUT

http://www.sungro.com/2007_Catalog.pdf

SnSstealth

06-12-2008, 09:39 PM

we just got some miracle gro seed starter mix...its low in nutes, so it should be fine...Im gonna take stinks advice and do multiple transplants too...small styro foam, to 1 gal to 3 gal for the moms...and stopping at the one gal for the clones, not moms...Im either gonna use the single procyon for breeding, or more growing...dunno yet...may be multi-purpose:thumbsup:
gonna be opposite of second coming in that i have alot more snl nh as opposed to smash...so the snl will be the predominant strain in the garden...should still get a mum outta the few smahberries i have left...
wonder if i could back cross the purple kush outta the smashberry since it isnt available in seed that i know of....hmmm...there are now 3 seperate chambers o light....just a stoner ramblin idea....
uh.....seeds gettin wet tonight....start the new thread when there are taproots....thanks for all the support guys!!

:Smokebong:
whiskeytango

oh yeah...the feeding experiment...think Im gonna do no nutes under the single...and the the low side of the recommended dose FF...and the other half same excpet every other watering......BONG

redline

06-13-2008, 04:01 AM

SNS,
You thought about using Coco? I am a real hack at growing, usually screw up everything, but coco has really been working out for me. Very, Very forgiving, kind of a compromise between soil and hydro.
Been using LEDs with better results then CFL but not as good as HPS.

GreenLeaf420

06-13-2008, 03:42 PM

Can someone show me ea really real PIC w/ a COCO Grow Recent?

Please I really wanna see the HYPE. What is the difference from soils and drainage? I seen STINKY Say'S you could have just the same troubles with COCO Drying up maybe even worse then soils...

Please just post PICS not in SN'S THREAD but maybe a Link if that's cool W/ Him!!!!!

Sorry SN'S just been hearing COCO COCO and it's really starting to bother me because I've never seen a grow with it....

Thanks GL420:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile: I KNOW I NEED MY FIRST CUP OF COFFEE:thumbsup:

SnSstealth

06-13-2008, 08:48 PM

I...IS.....DIRTY!!!....heh.. alas, I am very stubborn in my soil/organic=best taste and high feelings. Whats worse is I know i could get a better yield with other mediums and lights, but I am a quality over quantity guy...just personal use...
WT

so Ima stick to the dirt....no offense redline...Im stubborn...lol

GreenLeaf420

06-13-2008, 09:06 PM

OK So sorry I just went through it again Sorry Redline for jumping @ you I just am having issues trying to pick a soil.

So Sn's lets talk medium with soil not that enticing FF shit although I am for last resorts thinking of using. I went to all my local garden shops looking and you see peat moss ProMix Top soil ect.... All the same basic shit every were. I'm trying to get that sunshine #4 but seems to be NG @ this point.

What type of soil do you use and what would you consider for a 4x12 bed? I just want to pick the ORGANIC growers minds...

This whole soil mess is holding up my cycle time. I had Fire Engines stop by today.. :D

Thanks GL420:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

SnSstealth

06-13-2008, 10:02 PM

check this stuff out.....BONG

Park Seed: Organic Soil - A Certified Organic soilless potting mix. (http://www.parkseed.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/StoreCatalogDisplay?storeId=10101&catalogId=10101&langId=-1&mainPage=prod2working&ItemId=96380&cid=pport0001&CAWELAID=128819737)

WT

hmmm...the name is kinda oxymoron huh?

GreenLeaf420

06-13-2008, 10:19 PM

The soil seems to be very good for your needs considering you will be constantly repotting. I have plans to only Veg for 4-10 day's tops. Then straight into flower. The SOG never fails as long as the soils are in good shape. The Hydro shop I've been going to for over 10 Yrs the owner passed away and his wife and daughters are trying to do there best. Man I miss my buddy Dan he would put my mind to rest... He was the soil guy and the HYDRO guy is still there that's one reason I went DWC. I really don't want to go else were but they are not helping me out W/ this one. They said they could get that sunshine 1-3-5 maybe I will just Mix the 1-3 or 1-5 I will call sungro and ask them what's the best way to go to try to reach four with the #'s they can get for me...

Thanks and Good Luck I'm Glad to hear you are going to be growing church in your garden. Were did you get the Beans from? Mine are GreenHouse Seed Co. I've heard a lot of good and bad about them. We will just have to see.

GL420:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

veggii

06-14-2008, 02:28 AM

hey man whatch out for da gnats !!!
I have seen the CoCo its busted up CoCo's I did'nt buy it, Usin the FF, till we can get the Whitney Farms....:thumbsup:
:wtf:(recently purchased bye MG coming to store near you).:

Whitney Farms : The Scotts Miracle-Gro Company : (http://www.scotts.com/smg/brand/whitneyFarms/whitneyFarms.jsp?detailId=600012)

ps: WT I can post the backcross breed'n from da bible if wanted;)

:hippy: :hippy: :hippy:

SnSstealth

06-14-2008, 02:31 AM

my church came from the heavens...literally...fucking awesome storks!
actually we are gonna do a SOG as soon as i get the mothers selected...I am gonna do a breeding with the single light...heres a quick run down of episode 3...give ya a preview...lol
I REALLY dig true blueberry, nice body high, but ya wanna go outside n shit...I enjoy geocaching with a blue fatty(Ima closet nerd..shhh).....good times...........:hippy:
so my breeding idea revoloves around that thought.....
This is my Plan B...lol(explain Plan A later..need a lil more time for it:jointsmile:)
9- Plan B Smashberry unsexed (purple kush x blueberry)
8- Hindu Kush x Black Indica unsexed
3- Blue Russian bagseed unsexed- supposed to be the ish!!!
3- Church feminized...(fingers crossed):rastasmoke:

gonna start em all in styrofoam cups again...i stand by this method...rarely goes wrong.
-Definitely gonna cross the SB and BR...we will see which one will be mommy when its near flowering..Im thinkin BR though...
-First signs of sex...cloning a mommy of each strain
-take a dad from the SBxBR/BRxSB, and maybe a dad from the HK for a cross too...dunno yet, but got room for 2 crosses.
uhhh......oh yeah....tossing all other guys outta the garden, we will immediately switch to 12/12.
-after the clones root...all of em except for one each for mommies...will also go in the flower room...excluding the married couple enjoying their own private procyon.

All so next go round we can SOG the whole damn room with clones from the 3 moms, and beaners from the SBxBR/BRxSB....

any of yall as confused as I am now?
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

SnSstealth

06-14-2008, 12:39 PM

edit:...4 Blue Russians

Melskid

06-14-2008, 01:21 PM

SNS, On your first grow I remember seeing branches with bags on them. Was this for seeding a branch or two? and did it work? If I do that on my plant how long should I plan on it taking to produce new seeds for me? I have a Orange Kush male plant that was starting to get ready to throw it's pollens so I bagged it. I'm curious if I put it on one branch if it will possibly contaminte my entire closet with seeds or as long as I seal it well enough will it just be on the branch I put the bag on? Your help in this would be greatly appreciated. since raising my lamp to 4 feet above my plants they have taken off and growing quite well. I have three palnts that have grown since starting to pop up under the procyon and three plants I had to bring in from outside to insure I get to smoke them and not a thief they are all doing very good, I can't wait till I get to try them all out. Any help in this you can give would be appreciated.

SnSstealth

06-14-2008, 02:11 PM

take the male outta the room....collect pollen in a small brown paper bag..take the female you wanna pollenate outta the room...put the pollen on her, light spray with water...put her back

the bag over the branches in to stress a female to hermy said branch...making fem seeds
WT

Dutch Pimp

06-14-2008, 03:06 PM

light spray with water

not...:smokin:...water kills pollen...I have been told.

SnSstealth

06-14-2008, 05:10 PM

well I always spray/mist the girls lightly after pollinating to prevent spread...hasnt stopped em from taking before....:jointsmile:
WT

rightway2030

06-14-2008, 05:54 PM

guys: I'd really appreciate some advice on what nute strength I should use with my plant. day 39 of flowering, but she's a sativa it seems.. seems like you all think less nutes are needed. Im just using the lucas formula. my log's here: http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/156262-slightly-interesting-grow-log-single-procyon-100-hatch-day-26-flowering.html

:rasta:

SnSstealth

06-14-2008, 07:48 PM

answered in your log:thumbsup:

swanster

06-14-2008, 07:56 PM

SnS,

just a quick question, do you think 2 procyons in combination with a 400w air cooled Lamp, placed roughly 18 inches above the plants, will provide aqedquate coverage for a 4 foot x 4 foot grow tent?

Many thanks

SnSstealth

06-14-2008, 08:01 PM

i guess.........thats a LOT of light for a small area...the 400w alone could light a 4x4
WT

JeffersonBud

06-14-2008, 08:01 PM

ummm, yes

swanster

06-14-2008, 08:12 PM

i am currently growing with a 400w in a 4 x 4 grow tent and it just isnt cutting it, dont really wanna go witha 600w because of heat issues, I cant have a noisy vent running as there are too many people to hear it.

since power consumption doesnt really matter, I can put the two procyons in there without generating too much heat, yet gaining a massive amount of light output.

Weedhound

06-14-2008, 10:12 PM

no snl x nh?

SnSstealth

06-15-2008, 01:34 AM

thats all by itself in the other one WH :thumbsup:
WT

GreenLeaf420

06-15-2008, 01:58 AM

Is the NH Limey Limey Green?

We had a Haze strain along time ago that was the greenest weed I ever seen boy do I wish that one was still around...:(

SnSstealth

06-16-2008, 08:38 PM

this thread bids you........... adeu:jointsmile:

please check http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/157008-episode-3-revenge-led.html#post1870307

for new info...
thanks for your complements and stickin around guys!!!
WT

mods- can close this if ya want....

djbreed

06-17-2008, 12:37 AM

Any chance of that word doc m8 ,cheers

SnSstealth

06-17-2008, 02:32 AM

huh?

TiMEWaRPAPE

08-15-2008, 07:55 AM

anyone? trying enclosures such as mine?

painretreat

08-15-2008, 08:54 AM

and we have.........100% germination!!! woo-hoo, thats never happened to me...Must be the storks skills, lol...gotta thank that lil bird for these amazing beans(thanks gusy!!!)...:thumbsup::hippy::jointsmile:
whiskeytango

Sounds like you were busy getting great germination results in a lot of areas. Wow, may have twins--with those jeans!!! pr:thumbsup:

gornik

08-15-2008, 01:16 PM

anyone? trying enclosures such as mine?

I don't have an enclosure like yours, but speaking from experience you're going to need a cooling fan because the Procyon 100 gets hot. Not as hot as HID light but it does get hot. My lamp is in the shop right now. It went dead after two months use. They say it's a fluke. Out of 1500 sold only about 20 have needed repairs or exchange. I'm currently using my HPS. Up til the time the Procyon blinked out, it was doing okay. Still haven't gotten a complete grow out of it. But yeah, don't kid yourself. You're going to need some cooling equipment if you plan on putting it into a rubber container. The wimpy fan it comes with barely does the trick outside the box, so if you're going to put it into one you're going to need to cool the thing off, take my word for it.