First Time DWC W/ Water Farm Buckets

[GreenLeaf420]

This is my first Bucket grow ever. I have done tables before and had great results Soil ect... Then I seen the excellent results People were getting out of 4 bubbler plants with LST. So I Just purchased 2 8 pack Water Farm Bucket Systems. After 5 days I can see that I need to buy a stronger pump and more line cause I cut it all down. I'm running tap water 7.8 dropping it down to 5.8 to 6.3 W/ PH Down.

I set up the system without washing the Hydrotone and balancing the PH level of it. I did the set up and let it run for a day before balancing out PH levels and transplanting yet I am still having problems with PH. I go to the Rez and it's 5.8. I set the Ph in each bucket the day prior to 5.8 maybe 6.0. I checked them the following day and they were as high as 7.6 and as low as 7.2, WTF is happening will this balance out it take me 1 hr to set the PH in every bucket LOL...

I'm feeding the 1-1-1 8ml per gallon of GH Grow Micro and Bloom W/ Cal Mag and Hydrozyme and I foilar spray the W/ VHO (Very High OUTPUT) strongly recommended it makes them blow up. I transplanted from soil. They were in four inch pots there are two strains Train Wreck and Church. TW is strong as they get the roots were unbelievable when they were cleaned. Check out the Pic Below... Church seems to be a little more delicate and temper mental.

The water with these systems I'm very unsure and confused of.... Should the pumps be on constant with lights on? Or should they go on and off every HR? Do they belong fully open or should you regulate to a slow Drip? Then @ 12/12 what goes on with the watering is there any changes? Thanks for any help possible with the watering Technique. The Pic below show some yellowing on a plant do you think that could just be from the PH issue?

[pinky27]

lookin good man. good luck with the new grow set-up!

[Weedhound]

yes...the ph is a problem....you need to check and adjust it several times a day to keep it normal since you didn't wash or pretreat your hydroton.

Also keep in mind that constantly adding ph down (or up) can cause it's own issues by throwing your ratios off balance.....the ph adjusters are also higher in salts so you'll have to keep changing the water and rez fairly often to keep things stable....again until your ph straightens out.

And with no pretreatment or washing....that could take awhile.

good luck.

[GreenLeaf420]

Also keep in mind that constantly adding ph down (or up) can cause it's own issues by throwing your ratios off balance.....the ph adjusters are also higher in salts so you'll have to keep changing the water and rez fairly often to keep things stable....again until your ph straightens out..

WH thanks for that bad news ;):jointsmile::jointsmile:LOL ... OK Well now it's time to correct it what do you think? Maybe when I do a flush I should just open all 16 of them and pour 5 gallons into each pal to force clean the hydrotone. Ok maybe a bit to much. It's just becoming a pain in the ass is the hydrotone PH really high? What about the watering?

Thanks again WH

[Weedhound]

honestly I water mine 24/7 and I think you could too. The hydroton is plenty airy enough and I have not come up against overwatering issues yet (except for brand new seedlings.) Don't take everything apart.....just check ph as much as you can and keep correcting it. When I have come up against this problem (I HATE hydroton) I've discovered you just have to wait it out and then the next time soak the living crap out of the stuff. But for now just keep correcting as often as possible and change out your water every 4-5 days depending on how much ph up and down you have to use...(again...salts in those adjusters)

i think hydroton generally has a ph of about 7......too high for hydro right out of the bag.

If they were going to croak they'd have done it by now so I think you may be seeing the light at the end of the tunnel here.

Got a LOT of buckets there.....hope your room is big enough to handle all that. :D

Keep the log updated....i'll check back in and make sure things are going ok if you like.

I still have a bunch of that VHO....been using the Liquid Light but I may make way back to the VHO myself.

[GreenLeaf420]

Got a LOT of buckets there.....hope your room is big enough to handle all that. :D

Keep the log updated....i'll check back in and make sure things are going OK if you like.

The room is 8x15 Sealed Complete W/ CO2 but not set up yet. The A/C's will be going in tomorrow.

WH your input is always Welcomed and Appreciated.

PH is still a major issue I went in to check the Babbie's @ about 1 pm PH was 7.3 dropped it down to 5.8. Checked it again @ 5 PM and it was back to 6.6-6.8 so back to good old PH Down.. I can't wait and never will make the mistake of not washing my hydroone... If you are reading this to learn always wash down your hydrotone and set the PH That MF @ the Hydro store told me that I did not have to worry about that. He probably has overstock on PH Down;) or stock in the Company::wtf:.

Today I worked in the one room for Over 5Hrs really really drained me. I'm currently using 3 Bell and Washington LR 1000 hoods they are 1000 watt hps. I brought the plants from under a T5 straight to a 1000. I stick to my methods of only the strong survive.. I'm talking brave Because My NY Diesel Sensi Star clones took off. The EZ Cloner is exactly what they say EZ almost dummied proof 5 days and roots popping.:thumbsup: To EZ Cloner.

Topped all Rez off today they were almost empty They both took 8 gallons each. I added Cal Mag & Hydrotone in 1 bucket and Bloom Grow and Micro in another one making the ppm's in the one 1100 to top out before a full Rez change. WH when you flush you drain all buckets complete? I will have to due to all the PH down... Well keep you posted will put up some picks tommorow...:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile::jo intsmile:

[Weedhound]

whats your plan on draining them?

[GreenLeaf420]

whats your plan on draining them?

Good Question I thought about it. Do you fully Drain?

Thank God the place has concrete floors!!!! Maybe even a Shop Vac the lights will dry the floors right up......:thumbsup:

I don't know how else I would do it space is not a concern. The canopy of the lights is though. I really am having second thoughts on the two systems right now I was under the impression they were a little more user friendly. I mean the kinks in the lines, then having to cut them short so you get good flow and moving the fourth bucket to the first LOL LOL. Now I will need longer lines to add to it. I'm not giving up It's just a little more difficult then I though. I was looking @ this 30" pot Ebb and flow System That seemed a Little more easier Plus the recirculation would be great. I heard they changed these pots to a new Recirculating System. Owe well this will be a working thread if I have to put 5 Hrs a day. It will happen:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

Why how would you change out all them pots?

5pm balanced PH to 5.8 returned @ 9 PM PH 6.4 Balanced back to 5.4-5.8 it will be 7.0 by midnight and I'm done for the evening... I need the A/C's. 2 more day of hell maybe even less if all goes well...

[Weedhound]

Hard work....good job....you should start to see them growing again soon. It's pretty easy to start getting obsessed with the ph and you shouldn't....just do the best you can.

Draining.....get a good water pump (like for ponds or aquariums) and go that route if you can....your w/f's are all hooked together and then to a central rez?

Let me look around for a pic....

[Weedhound]

Here are a couple of photos of the way I set my system up for recirculating.....but I'm only using two buckets instead of all of them.

[GreenLeaf420]

Very nice:thumbsup: I completely agree and was telling my buddy that we needed to make it recirculate and I'm probably going to try to make it run on one big Rez. I would like to try a 55 Gallon Rubber maid not full of course but I will only need one chiller. That should not be a big project. I was going to go to the local fish store to pick up the hose. They should carry some I just hope enough... LOL:jointsmile:

[GreenLeaf420]

I see the valves to shut down. I also see the return line with more shut off valves. Do you basically bleed the system a few times daily pull out and then recirculate back to pots. That seems the possible way considering that it's all gravity that feeds the pots.....

[herbie the love bud]

Jesus Christ dude, you need to smoke some weed and slow down. You're giving me, and your plants a head ache.

Stop chasing your plants with the pH meter. Set the course and make an adjustment no more than once in a day. TOPS. If you need to make an adjustment more than once a week or so, you need to learn to work your nutes better. But that is an advanced lesson.

For now, fill your controller with fresh water and don't touch the pH! Now add your nutes and your calmag. Now check your pH and tell me if it's not 5.5 to 6.5.

Feed your plants and walk away. Check in a day or so and tell me.

[GreenLeaf420]

Jesus Christ dude, you need to smoke some weed and slow down. You're giving me, and your plants a head ache.

Stop chasing your plants with the pH meter. Set the course and make an adjustment no more than once in a day. TOPS. If you need to make an adjustment more than once a week or so, you need to learn to work your nutes better. But that is an advanced lesson.

For now, fill your controller with fresh water and don't touch the pH! Now add your nutes and your calmag. Now check your pH and tell me if it's not 5.5 to 6.5.

Feed your plants and walk away. Check in a day or so and tell me.

Your post is just negative take that some were else " Advanced Section". Did you even read the thread? The Hydrotone was not washed which is causing the PH to rise as high as 8.0 and is not balancing out yet. What the hell are you talking about just use my tap water 7.8 PH that rises when it runs through the system?

"It's in the advanced section" Just post that advice there.... Good luck Herb.
:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

I Attached some reading material for your "Advanced Section"

[Weedhound]

Leaf there's a couple ways to do it....X-Crispi sets his up by "daisy-chaining them" instead of one entry/exit hole they come with. This is not hard to do with a good drill and some grommets.....you can get 1/2 grommets at the hardware or hydro store. I set mine up to drain from one set of lines and fill from another using the pump you see there.

You seem like a sharp cookie so let me dig up an old thread for you to look at.....I think you'll like it.

[Weedhound]

http://boards.cannabis.com/hydroponics/91976-water-farm-dwc-club.html

This is a TERRIFIC thread you will want to bookmark or something....not a brief read through but full of different ideas to change/update your system etc..... Hope it gives you some ideas.

Ps. I LOVE my stop valves.....they allow me to take the entire system apart down to each single unit and change the way they are set up, add or take away a pod or to stop the water flow to a section I want to work on. Worth every penny and I have big box full I keep on hand. :thumbsup:

[GreenLeaf420]

What's Happening Ms H. How is your day absolutely beautiful here in NYC. The valves are a great way to be able to disconnect:thumbsup:. I wonder if they sell exactly that like a coupler or a quick disconnect that will allow you to disconnect one or many pots and halt water. I will look for that when I go to buy my Valves maybe experiment on a few. I just want to get everything stable and still seem to have PH issues on day 5 or so. I was able to check PH but did not down it yet. it was @ 7.2 I'm actually going to handle that now along with the A/C... Thank God 650 and worth every penny.

OK the big question So with the Recirculation of your system is it constant or do you open and close valves to redistribute water? I hope a few more hour and a few more $$$$ and I can put a handle on it and buckle everything down.... I remember fixing sprinkler heads and with the underground water pipping I remember it would never kink and they sell huge rolls it's Black with like a double yellow stripe that runs down the sides. With the pump hoses I hope to find a really strong pump and hang all lines from ceiling and dropping into the pots. I can't stand a messy room more then anything no good can come from it.

Thanks for the post to that DWC thread I was referring back to that thread alot GREAT thread.:thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

Well since you ask there's a couple ways to do that too.....I found the best way (since the pics are there) was to set it up on a timer so that once every few hours the entire system would recirculate. The stop valves are all set in the on position generally unless I want to change something.

In the pics above the scenario goes like this....pump turns on and runs for two minutes. In that two minutes it pulls all the water out of the buckets and sends it to the top rez.
The pump then shuts off.

Because I've set up the tubing from the BOTTOM rez to the buckets in a VERY meandering style with a bunch of L turns AND because the system fills on gravity the refill is extremely slow. The water follows the patch of least resistance.....so with a (pretty straight) line from the buckets to the pump your chance of pulling out NEW solution from the line instead of what is in the buckets is very small. The timer is set up to run four times a day......every six hours.

I dont know if this will work for you with your 8-16 buckets so daisy-chaining them with a circulating pump may be a better idea for you. X-Crispi uses the very small pumps (120 gal/hour I believe) and he would put them inside THE BUCKETS themselves. But again......you'd need an entry AND an exit hole in each bucket to work with.

Is it worth the work and expense? Yes..I think so. It will help a LOT keeping your ph stable in general as it tends to rise during flowering at a fair rate. This is normal and once the plants get big....trust me.....you WONT want to be adjusting the ph's one by one. It will also help keep your nutes ratios in balance and provide better 02 saturation in your water.

Keep in mind that it won't solve ALL your problems......it will have it's own drawback and "side effects" you'll have to monitor but it's better than the check-one-at-a-time buzz kill. :jointsmile:

[GreenLeaf420]

Hey WH I also agree that the set up is worth it cause once it's done it becomes a $$$$$ Machine.. LOL;)

Well I put the A/C into the sealed room Thanks to Tranobles wonderful post (MAYBE TO GOOD TO BE TRUE). Now Temp is an Issue I can not find a water cooled unit. So I picked up a 14,000 BTU A/C W/ De humid built in as well as heat. installed and put on highest setting @ 8PM. Last night was the fist time I shut the main door. When I went back @ 2 AM the Temp was @ 102. Shut off A/C and opened doors back up. I really hope I can get an A/C to handle the room or else I'm going to have to cut the perfect Sealed Rooms Up. I did not want to do an Intake and exhaust. I've already invested over $10,000 into the build and equipment and I may be to determined to get this to work. Yet I have to much ridding on it now to stop. I don't want to start hacking up the Rooms. Thank GOD I'm not working now and have time to deal with all these issues.

Thanks for everything WH I will keep you posted...

[Weedhound]

I hate to tell you this but do you really have 3k watts?

Your only chance is inline fans and cool tubes or mostly sealed reflectors......trust me. Intake and outtake. Where's X-Crispi when you need him?

[Weedhound]

You may be able to get away with one intake and one out take if you line your lights together......we need x-c or someone similar....

[GreenLeaf420]

OK installed to 115 Volt A/C's 12,000 BTU'S each. They dropped the Temp and I set them to 75.... My Babbie's may be perky tomorrow. I hope so they have had a bad 3 days. Tomorrow or the following day I will do a full system flush. Just waiting on a 6 burner CO2 Unit with a in-fared sensor that runs on liquid propane. It's all finally turning around. Checked the PH really late today and was @ 7.3 dropped them all down to 5.8 or lower. Once everything goes stable I'm going to 12/12:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

[MadSativa]

those grow rocks you guys use can you reuse them over and over and over or are they a one time use kinda thing??

[GreenLeaf420]

those grow rocks you guys use can you reuse them over and over and over or are they a one time use kinda thing??


They say you can use it over and over I was told to bleach it. Haven't reached that point hope it comes soon.

[Weedhound]

You can reuse them....either bleach or I actually use H202 to disinfect them because after 24 hours or so the H202 evaporates and becomes harmless so you don't have to make sure you get every last drop of it rinsed out like with bleach.

http://boards.cannabis.com/hydroponics/155833-gh-waterfarm-users-simple-recirculating-system.html GL I just discovered this. Check it out. I love mine.

[GreenLeaf420]

Hey WH what's going on? I tried to get onto the site last night about 20 Times NG>. I was able to get the 3000 watts cooled. Yesterday I did my first full system flush, what a pain in the ass no Shut off Valves yet. Water all over the place and I took the bulk to the door (Rezez) to dump. Just a serious Pain in the ass I'm going with two strains now as you know they came out of four inch pots and I washed off the roots and put the peat pellets in to the Hydrotone.

Well after almost a week the Train Wreck is so strong it's scary. I know you have grown the church before If I'm not mistaken in the last log you had done. I see major root Development on TW yet The Church seems very slow to take to the hydrotone. I pulled out a church and you were able to see they were basically the same way they were when they were washed. As for Train that's a hole nother story roots popping every were.

What is your opinion on The Church Temperament or just that TW is unbelievable. I will get picks of roots pretty sick the development on TW. If the Church can not hang I will move them out and wait for them to really develop to go back in with them. I have NYC Diesel Sensi star clones Ready to go waiting for the swap. I just have to sex them then get rid of about 6 4 footers of NYCDSS. I will keep the best for the Mom but the rest have to go and be flowed.

So I will be Daisy Channing but I have to figure out how it is Done. LOL I will be popping some buckets off to keep @'s mothers hopefully in the end there is 8 or less and I will still use the two Rez but I will be able to fit the big ones under one lamp. Well back to work hope I can shave this W/E will see.


WH Thanks for everything :thumbsup::thumbsup::jointsmile::jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

Hey good work getting your temps under control. That's the way to beat that grow room into shape!! :D

I found the church VERY tempramental in veg and then it became a monster in flower. Hope yours turns out as well for you.

[GreenLeaf420]

I found the church VERY tempramental in veg and then it became a monster in flower. Hope yours turns out as well for you.

Exactly I washed off the roots as you know and all the Train Wrecks have crazy roots pooping up all over the place. The church seems to be a much slower developer.

I'm so glad the fire is out PH seems to be going down also Pics are the same except for the changes to the room. Ill post some Pics in the next day to show the full S/U.


Thanks again WH:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[GreenLeaf420]

I'm experiencing major PH issues. I try-ed to drop it down with powder and have not had the chance to try the liquid form yet.

I Have 2 Water Farm 8 Packs. I had all 16 set up and I dropped down to 12 I originally set things up @ 5.8 "THE PERFECT PH LEVEL"
Then I read a bunch of posts on PH and hydro. It went on to say that PH years back was measured with fish tank testers and there was nothing even close to accurate to check PH. For the People who were even trying to check PH always said "5.8 IS THE PERFECT PH" Well to try to get my PH somewhat balanced I went to each pail dropping them as low as 3.8 and as high as 4.3. Two House later they read 5.5 5.8 and the next day 6.0 to 6.7. On all the new readings on PH I have read state that when the PH goes above 6.5 the plants uptake diminishes and lower then 4.0 is the same. So I keep my rez now @ 3.8 and will try to balance out into the future to use the PH in the Rez to stabilize out the system Till I convert it to recirculate which I put in a big order hose valves ect....

Plants are now happy when I was setting it to 5.8 2 Hrs later it was 6.3 6.5 and the plants were all flat not in good shape. I will be posting that thread on PH check it out I will through up a link...

[GreenLeaf420]

I'm experiencing major PH issues. I try-ed to drop it down with powder and have not had the chance to try the liquid form yet.

I Have 2 Water Farm 8 Packs. I had all 16 set up and I dropped down to 12 I originally set things up @ 5.8 "THE PERFECT PH LEVEL"
Then I read a bunch of posts on PH and hydro. It went on to say that PH years back was measured with fish tank testers and there was nothing even close to accurate to check PH. For the People who were even trying to check PH always said "5.8 IS THE PERFECT PH" Well to try to get my PH somewhat balanced I went to each pail dropping them as low as 3.8 and as high as 4.3. Two House later they read 5.5 5.8 and the next day 6.0 to 6.7. On all the new readings on PH I have read state that when the PH goes above 6.5 the plants uptake diminishes and lower then 4.0 is the same. So I keep my rez now @ 3.8 and will try to balance out into the future to use the PH in the Rez to stabilize out the system Till I convert it to recirculate which I put in a big order hose valves ect....

Plants are now happy when I was setting it to 5.8 2 Hrs later it was 6.3 6.5 and the plants were all flat not in good shape. I will be posting that thread on PH check it out I will through up a link...

[GreenLeaf420]

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THANK YOU FOR FIXXING THR FOURM CANNANIS.COM

[GreenLeaf420]

Check out this thread on PH!!!!

Helped me...

http://boards.cannabis.com/advanced-techniques/155909-ph-values-hydro-diff-approach.html

[Weedhound]

I'm sorry but I'm completely lost here.....both as to what the different approach thread was saying but also what you are saying as well. And I mean.....really lost. That being said....you said you seem to have solved the problem so that's grea!!! :thumbsup:

Good luck with the rest of your grow. :)

[johnny5fingers]

I dont think you can do anything about not washing the hydroton at this point. Even if you didnt set the PH on the hydroton before you started using it.....eventually it will stablize with use.
I think you have something else going on here that is causing the ph to rise so rapidly.
The ph for you water right out of the tap is on the high side.
I would cut your nutes in half till you figure out what the problem is.
I use Vita Grow nutes...........and have used them for years and have never had PH problems. Most people in the forums dont even seem to be aware of Vita Grow. It is very cost effective and yealds very good.
Seems to me most people who have PH problems are using Foxfarm products.
I have grown plants perfectly happy at a ph of 7. Though I usually will run my system at the high 5's.
After you havest this crop clean your hydroton and get all the residue out of your buckets.
Good luck.

[GreenLeaf420]

Johnny Fingers I've done a full system flush. I washed and went through threw the buckets with hundreds of gallons. How can you feed a hydo system @ 7.0 if there uptake will be so diminished?
I've been setting my Rez @ 4.3 and fist pail is 5.8 last pail is 6.7. PH down is used everyday. I feed them GH 3 Part system with hydrozyme Cal-Mag and Foil With VHO. I [plan on hitting them with some Flora Nova later on. Straight TAP 7.8.


Is that enought?

http://boards.cannabis.com/advanced-techniques/155909-ph-values-hydro-diff-approach.html

[GreenLeaf420]

WH With the system what do you think if I drill a hole and put an air stone in the bottom with another pump?

[Weedhound]

Greenleaf I hate to do this to you but understand I'd forget my head if it wasn't screwed on and johnny may have a good point.....can you repeat your basic stats for us?

Tap water ppm?
gh 3 part ppm?
Cal Mag? ppm?
Room temps these days?
age of plants and all the cool little jazz that goes along with it. :)

The lighting i know is 3 kw and 16 w/fs if I'm not mistaken so please correct me if I'm wrong and update the rest of your specs if possible.

An updated photo would be great too. The nutes sound good but I'm not sure you need Cal Mag along with tap water but I suppose it would depend on the ppm of your tap water.

[GreenLeaf420]

[quote=Weedhound]Tap water ppm?
gh 3 part ppm?
Cal Mag? ppm?
Room temps these days?
age of plants QUOTE]

I use LateWoods Theory on NUTES.

Except his is 8ml of fluids per gallon. I use 25ml of fluids which on the bottle is the eqivalent to 45ml of NUTES. Which equals out to be 3 TBS per 5 gallon.

So the answer is TAP is 60ppm

After the 3 TBS of Each equals 1500 ppm for VEG

VEG Has been a bit over a month for some and 5 months for others .

Room Temp is 80-82 W/ A/C's can set to anything waiting on the CO2 Machine this week.

Cal-Mag and Hydrozyme really don't mesure. Really with the nutes is the same I sometimes back off on the NITRO. Most of the time a TBS or Two per 5 gallons of each ZYME or Cal.

Will post PICS in a few HRS...

[GreenLeaf420]

Like I said I'm new to this bucket with hydrotone. I feel I'm getting it down just the hard way. I can not believe the plant's quick development. I found out I have an issue W/ one of the REZes. I have to goto the Hydro store on Tue. I fucked up my buddy assembled both systems. I checked the two of them and in the lower REZ the float valves are different. One has a white flange and the other is just a bubble with no way it appears to be able to regulate the water from the top. I seen Hydrotone in the lower REZ and the water is higher in that rezes buckets.. I called them and they will be Fixxing my issue TUES. The pump that came with that set up is Fucked up too. I can not win I should have checked out that system when I broke it down. I took it and made it a 4 plant system hoping to correct what ever the issue was. Not realizing that I was killing them. Back to my theory of only the strong survive. Man it is pissing me off it was all my churches except for the two I switched the first few days when I noticed the problem. I even transplanted a few in soil they are doing good. Coming back to life. The ones that are still kicking out of the four will be left till TUES. I will post PICS today.

[Weedhound]

8 ml gallon? And am I correct in reading that you are using 25/ml gallon? 1500 ppm (what type of meter do you have?). Holy tamoly.....my plants would drop over dead from that number!! I don't have mine on 1500 EVER....1350 is about as high as I go and thats including the Cal Mag and and not until the last four weeks of flower.

Hope they're doing ok with that. (Or perhaps I just read that all wrong.....sorry...:stoned:)

[GreenLeaf420]

8 ml gallon? And am I correct in reading that you are using 25/ml gallon?

25 ML 3 TBS Per 5 gallons = 1500 ppm W/ Cal Mag and Hydrozyme sometimes 1700ppm They seem to be doing better.
I spoke with this hydro shop in Cali and they say the best results are coming from people who are feeding manually each day.

So instead of Rez Top Offs I Hit them with about a 1/2 a gallon a day with fresh water and NUTES with the rest of the water it goes in the REZ.

They all seem strong except for that set up of four I have PICS I will be posting of the setup.

Let me eat first 1/2 hr

[GreenLeaf420]

I can not view the Pics

[GreenLeaf420]

Ok here are a few Photo's I took some really nice ones I just a name of a program to compresser them they are larger then 1.96MB

[GreenLeaf420]

In one of the shots you can see were the valves are different in the REZ. In the first set of PICS there is a plant which is last in line with the bad REZ. I Lifted it out of water with a chuck on the side to hold it out. There's some pics of baby's and in the back are the monsters 5fters... The Lower Rez fucked me all up

You can se the ones with the good REz are doing great!!!

[GreenLeaf420]

[quote=Weedhound]Except his is 8ml of fluids per gallon. I use 25ml of fluids which on the bottle is the equivalent to 45ml of NUTES. Which equals out to be 3 TBS per 5 gallon.

I was really angry before after P/U on stupid mistakes.. PLUS I was really stoned:jointsmile::jointsmile:

Well I pretty much do this with every garden I've ever done. I hit them hard rather then gradually getting them into a "NORMAL" Routine. Believe it or not after the initial shock the plant's are so durable and strong. Some of the Fan Leafs Ill remove but most I will just cut the tips. Then with that LateWood package - they blow up. Sometimes when they turn yellow I back off on the NITRO.

Pic 1 is the good REZ
Pic2 is the bad one you can see there is no dump control from the top.
Pic3 Shittiest Plant

OTHER SET
Pic 1 is the Best Plant
Pic 2 is one that is coming back from too much NUTES
Pic3 Just a wide shot of the back
Pic4 Babies NYD/SensiStar

When I get the new pump I ordered and the hydro store takes care of that lower valve Ill put air stones in all incl the rez. I think I even came up with a good way to make the 2 recirculate.

Here is my quick way to make it recirculate. I will take the Rezez and each bucket all with T'S and Tie them all into each other bucket. Imagine it is a circle using all the same holes. At the furthest point there will be a T off . With a light small water pump that will pull water through each bucket with a Y hose. feeding it back into both Rezes. Then drilling will be required when I add Air stones in everything. I found a post online I could not believe the difference. He or she had one regular and one with air stones amazing the diffrence between the two

[GreenLeaf420]

Hook it up but create the system as a loop....


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[Weedhound]

Well I think johnny has a good point there.....your high ppms are most likely definitely contributing to your high ph.....you're burning them and a high ph is a side effect of that. I think that's something you're going to have to live with if you want to push your numbers like that. No offense but I try to go for a healthy plant.....not push them to the edge as so many folks like to do. I find a healthy plant does the best overall....yield and resistance to problems-wise so I can't help you much with that I'm afraid.

My answer would be to lower your numbers.....a LOT....like to about NO MORE than 1000 and see what the ph does. If you want to live on the edge that's fine....but it's alot more work isn't it?......and your chances of something tipping the apple cart (since it's too full already and looking rather rickety from here) are pretty high.

[GreenLeaf420]

Thanks alot for picking that up WH and Johny:thumbsup::thumbsup:. This is not a table system for sure.. LOL I will get the drip down pat or else. I do believe to beat them up with the nutes in the beginning. I will be dropping the Feeding schedule TUES W/ a full system Change.

Do you think CO2 when introduced can help with the PH levels?

WH What is your feeding schedule GH 3 parts?

If so whats your feeding schedule like?

Thanks again I was told later on with the bubbler's and drip systems they like less NUTES for OXYGEN uptake and now also for PH issues.

Thank again :thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

Honestly GL I don't know anything about C02 except the very VERY basics such as don't breathe a bunch of it in and it can KICK ASS on your yield if used right.
That's my honest limit right there.

GL I've only done the Botanicare nutes and never tried the GH 3 part. Quite frankly I don't understand the whole 8ml/ thing and never have. I'm not saying they're bad or anything only that I know 0 about them in general. I have several friends who use them with good results but that's about all I can tell you.

Sorry I'm not more help.....but if something happens that I can help I'll pipe up. :D

[GreenLeaf420]

Hey WH hope you are around.

I will be sticking to the GROW section from now on!!!

Hope all is well:jointsmile: Can't complain on my end. The hole CO2 thing is cool I did some reading and something regarding the CO2 does balance off the PH and the uptake of food the plant is able to gain. Which explains the difference in yields.

I will be posting Pics tomorrow all seems well PH is still on the rise and I even dropped off NUTES significantly. I hope that the 6 burner CO2 unit I have coming will balance all the issues that are taking place. I don't know if I said it before but the room is sealed so the CO2 could become an issue really soon, yet plant development has varied greatly, but they all seem to be on the same path now. Anyway I was wondering I dropped the Rezes to 1000 PPM yet @ the buckets I caught them as high as 1400 which i drained and refilled with 1000 just a Pain in the @@@ with 12 buckets. I was wondering while doing Rez top offs what do you add in to your solution. No 3 part just water balanced with Hydrozyme? Or just balanced water with Hydrozyme W/O 3 Part? Well hope to hear from you soon Pics maybe tonight big big difference once they started to take to the hydrotone.

Thanks WH and anyone who would like to share their input

GL420:thumbsup::thumbsup:

:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

If your numbers are rising like that (starting at 1000 and ending up at 1400) then your plants are drinking a LOT more water than nutes. I would drop your number back further then......perhaps down to 800 if they are using up that much water and leaving behind that much nute in your solution.

Quite honestly I haven't really had that problem to a large degree.....I tend to keep my numbers fairly low all in all and generally while the rez amount will drop the numbers tend to go DOWN so I have no trouble adding fresh full strength solution. One of my plants is in week 6 and is drinking over a gallon a day so it's easy to keep up with that one by just adding a fresh gallon a day. :)

[GreenLeaf420]

One of my plants is in week 6 and is drinking over a gallon a day so it's easy to keep up with that one by just adding a fresh gallon a day. :)


Nice going W/ that one gallon a day plant was that started from seed or Clone? Week 6 of grow or Flower? That is nice a gallon a day with no troubles.

That's cool Thank you for the advice. I will be lowering my nutes again 800 to 750 ppm Micro grow and bloom 250-250-250? I ordered 8" Air Pumps to add in to the WF buckets. I will do a How to Thread on that on Tues. It should help alot with the O2 uptake. I will be able to show off the CO2 machine on Monday.. Can not wait:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

So drop nutes and plants should be even happier is basically the theory behind DWC and WF Buckets because they like the O2 and with the low NUTES it alows that...

[GreenLeaf420]

Here are some updated shots of the garden. I'm sexing the tall "GIRLS" I hope in the back now in the VEG room. Seems be the normal 60/40. The train Wreck is blowing up really fast development. Has anyone grown this strain from GHS I hope it makes me happy...:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

[GreenLeaf420]

60-40% was not my ratio when it came to my Sensi NYCD It was 2 out of 6.

So that put a little damper on my grow. I had the intension's of flowering a few of the big GUYS with the ones in the HFarm Buckets.

Now that has changed I was thinking of trying tranobles technique. I'm thinking of cutting 40 clones to fill the 3Rd lamp and do a 4x4 Bed. I'm thinking of only Vegging them for 10 days just Like Tranoble said it could be done. No topping he said he was getting 40+ grams colas on each plant. That was with CO2 in a sealed environment. Which my CO2 unit arrived today and I do have a sealed room. When the unit comes on it throws off a bit of heat. I purchased one that has a spark igniter rather then the glow plug or pilot light. I have to get a game plan because I've put so much in and have been unable to get anything out. I left the CO2 on over night and I can not believe the difference and the water consumption the plants are taken up now....

Well they say Good things come to those who wait I sure hope it is True!!!!!!:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

There are only 12 TWreck and Churches mixed in I wonder what the yield would be if I just flowerd out the buckets!!!!!!

[Weedhound]

As long as you don't run into root issues....which is something I've been fighting with the w/f's with for as long as I have had them.....why not flower them in the buckets? Otherwise go for your clone thing. Either way I don't think you'll be sorry with your finished product.. ;)

[GreenLeaf420]

Thanks WH I was just hoping to get a little more weight then appears to be possible to get out of only 12 buckets!!!!

[GreenLeaf420]

Help Help Help WH!!!!!

LOL it seems to be just me and you in here.LOL

I really appreciate all the help. I have a big ????

When the plant begins to develope and get larger do they have a tendency to lean? There are a few of the big ones I have are really beginning to lean. I thought @ first the stems cracked or the roots pulled off the plant. Then I took a 5 gallon bucket and filled one up to see what the plant would do and it just seemed to rise then settle to the side w/ A lean. Is this normal or am I having problems? The lower section of the plants 4-5 inches of the stem are really white I guess thats from the nutes splashing up causing it to turn that way. they are really fat stalks but my friend believes that there is a problem with the white to the bottoms but he never grew a DWC system FN Tommy LOL:D. The plants really took off after I listened to your advice on lowering the nutes the plants are really coming around I'm just really concerned with the stalks leaning. the roots are coming out of the bottom in full force now and they all took to the hydro except for one straggler which I'm not giving up on.

Thanks In Advanced GL420 :jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

Hey Gl.....can you take a photo for me? They really shouldn't lean at that age....what kind of medium are you using?

[GreenLeaf420]

Only the hydrotone and they were in peat pellets. I can get a Pic int he AM. I was thinking if it is a problem maybe balance out a 3" rock cube cut it and wrap around stalk to help balance them? I can get photo's tomorrow Afternoon I have to travel to the garden. Ohh Dam I wish I had a shot now to show you!!!!

[GreenLeaf420]

Here are some shots

[GreenLeaf420]

HEY WH PLEASE TELL ME IT IS ALL GOOD OR GIVE ME A EASY EASY FIX OR TELL ME IF I"M REALLY FUCKED......

THANKS IN ADVANCED GL420
:jointsmile:

[johnny5fingers]

I agree with Weedhound, 1000 or even less would be better at this point. Also I dont use more than 1 tsp of hydrozme per gallon.
Even if your plants were completely healthy 1000 ppm would make them flourish.
Once you figure out your system you will have a feel for how fast the ph and ppm are going up or down.
I know with my system I have to put a 1\4 to 1\2 tsp of ph down every day or so inbetween nute changes.
When your trying to diagnose a problem decrease the nutes etc. and increase the oxygen, till you figure out what the problem is.
If you decrease everything except oxygen and your plants come back looking better then you know your giving them too much of a good thing.
If you have a vented hood or have air blowing over the tops of the plants. Lowering the light as close as possible is a good way to get your plants to start thriving again.
Good luck.

[GreenLeaf420]

Thanks Johnny I just purchased serenada and the hydrotone was turning green on top. I hit them with more hydrozyme then I probably should roots are not an issue now stems are. I need to keep them they are getting to good looking just to kill them off. I used alot of that serenada I don't no when to hit the brakes with that shit and this hydrotone is now haunting me again.

WH were are you!!!!!!:jointsmile:

[GreenLeaf420]

WH were you @?

Are you cheating on me!!! LOL
:jointsmile::jointsmile:

[GreenLeaf420]

I was thinking of doing this with white poly. Pushing down the drip rings as far down as possible. Then stake them for support. Although I'm unsure how survival is looking for now. Probably I can just go W/ a 6" square poly cut and just lay it on the hydrotone. To prevent the water bounce back and just monitor it. If they are going to be able to flower stakes will be a must. A 6" cut may be better then a full CVR due to the humidity that will lock in below.


GL420:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

[Weedhound]

Dude your plants are looking monsterish!! I'm sorry GL....as soon as I got off the pc I realized about your hydroton because of all the issues with it. What do your roots look like underneath?

Let me study the photos here for a min but how are they growing in general.....how happy do they seem?

[Weedhound]

Ok here are my thoughts:

Johnny....I love you. Every one in the world wants to add more and more. You speakum WISE words....less nutes and more O2. Great all around plan no matter what the problem until you can get a diagnosis.

GL....I dont see anything wrong with your plant stems. They look strong and healthy from the photos I see. If they are leaning then the issue is in the hydroton/and or your roots being weak/undersized/diseased etc and just not providing the support they should

You have pretty good sized plants for w/f buckets so you may well run into rootbound issues further in flowering. Imo cloning is starting to look like a good idea because of size issues only. That's something to consider because you already are going with more buckets, plants etc than a lot of us so if you are looking for MORE yield you may have to rethink your w/fs......just a bit of cud to chew on.

That being said.....the way to stop that leaning is to get some good gardening tape and tie the branches to the w/f. I ended up drilling some small holes in the sides of my tan buckets to tie branches to for lsting and they work great. :)

[GreenLeaf420]

Hey WH:thumbsup: Missed you babe.

The roots are popping out the bottom of the buckets but not like yours were. A 7 foot monster. The roots only apear to be a foot max and not alot of density. The plant's are tending to lean. What are you saying that they are to big? I was waiting till the 14th to flower. My head is all messed up I was up all night and I have to go check them out. I will get picks of the roots and I will post in 2 hrs..

Thanks WH GL420

[GreenLeaf420]

WH PIC 1 leaves curling plant turning and quick. There seem to be 4 with this problem. The roots are not large at all coming out of the lower bucket. Should I be adding extra holes in them? I went and checked on them and topped them off they are really starting to drink up. Just when I though the fight was over.

What are my chances of survival with these?

Thanks GL420

[GreenLeaf420]

Here are a couple more shots!!!

The roots in the first root PIC ARE THAT OF THE HEALTHY MONSTER....

[GreenLeaf420]

WH can you please show me a shot of how you tie them of stake them!!!!

Thanks GL:thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

Gl you've just gone and grown them babies too big. :eek: :D

I think your plants are rootbound. If you aren't using a zyme product then start asap and consider flushing to help get any excess crud/fert build up, old dead roots etc out.
This is something that all of us with waterfarms have run into sooner or later which is why everyone drills extra holes in all their w/f buckets and there STILL seem to be issues which is why I went to 8 inch net pots instead.

There isn't anything you can do really except use your zyme products and try to keep drainage and 02/water flow open for the roots inside your red buckets. If you don't develop root rot problems they may finish ok.

[Weedhound]

Here's a pic of my soil WW that I've lst'd. I like the green gardners tape because of its stretchy and flexible nature so if I forget to check it and the branch grows the tape will stretch along with it instead of choking off the branch its tied to.

I use those binder clips or simply drill holes in the edges of the pot to anchor the ties. To provide support for your stems make sure you tie both sides (or better yet...all 4 sides) of your plant equally. ;)

[GreenLeaf420]

Hey WH So i guess in the bottom of those red buckets I have a huge mess of roots? I have been running 2-3 tbs of hyrozyme per 5 gallons since day one. Roots are as white as can be. I'm thinking of just taking 8 of them and going into flower tomorrow. I should definitely get 3 ounces off each. I will put 3 under a 1000 and hope for the best. I cut 20 clones on Thursday. I will veg them 10 days in the VEG room then throw them in their I should do OK. I GUESS???? ;)

I really don't know what I have gotten myself into but I think I will be studying LST Next LOL

Do you think the roots are ushig the plants up? What would be your action on the ones that are doing good to keep them going that way.

Also am I safe by saying at least 3 OZ a Plant?

[Weedhound]

GL...let me dig up a few old photos and post them....you are right....there are HUGE MASSES of roots jammed into that red bucket and that's what is causing your rootbound issues. I'm WAY afraid to make guesses on yield because your plants could start to crash and burn at any time......especially with root issues. Believe me without healthy roots and a good enviroment for them there's no guarantees to finish and Mr Hound and I have seen them go downhill FAST firsthand. ;)

[GreenLeaf420]

Hey what's going on!!!

I killed 4 today I have 8 nice healthy ones. Ripped the roots out of the pots and they were all white. I hope the other 8 can make it. Right now I'm running just CLEAREX. I added 1 TBS per gallon 15 gallon rez. I just don't know how long to run it if it was ebb and flow or Trays it is completely different with DWC. I'm going to Home Depot after dinner and was going to send them into flower tomorrow. I have a couple in soils I just have to Straighten out. I wanna try LST what type of tape is that WH? Well I hope I get some weight out of the setup.

GL:jointsmile: HAZE

[SnSstealth]

ick man....sorry for the bad fortune GL, this is one of those very few times when you can say "my plants grew too much" and it be a bad thing...I gotta whipe my whole garden now, so I feel your pain..I guess they could come back, but I think you were around when this happened to WH...and hers didnt make it either if I remember correctly.....sorry dude
:smokebong:
whiskeytango

[SnSstealth]

it was green gardeners tape GL...good to see you still got some going...have you tried carbonated water or peroxide?...I am no dro guy, strictly dirty, but i think i remember WH saying something about those helping oxygenating the roots...i think..but I am REALLY stoned right now, so wait for her to confirm that, or tell me Im retarded....
whiskeytango

[GreenLeaf420]

it was green gardeners tape GL...good to see you still got some going...have you tried carbonated water or peroxide?...I am no dro guy, strictly dirty, but i think i remember WH saying something about those helping oxygenating the roots...i think..but I am REALLY stoned right now, so wait for her to confirm that, or tell me Im retarded....
whiskeytango

LOL I think I'm going to drive it out and see what happens. I will fill the EZ cloner 120 before sending them off. The roots are not that bad... I dont see major development. I ripped four out and the biggest one hardly had any roots in the red Buckets. Well will have to see. HYDROZYME will love me for the next two months.....

Dam summer

[Weedhound]

They aren't mutually exclusive Stealth LOL!! disclaimer: JOKE!

The problem with the w/f's is that they don't promote good drainage partially because of their teeny holes in the red bucket and i personally also think its because of the square shape of them. They jus aren't built well for larger plants imo.

Here's a couple photos of some of the problems we've had (pic one is a branch literally suffocating due to the roots being squished off inside the red bucket) that can be traced directly back to poor water flow, air flow AND drainage in the waterfarms buckets.

The largest problem is that the roots get so messed up and crammed together that they keep any water, fresh nutes and oxygen flow out and away from the middle of the root area where its needed. Adding a zyme product OR H202 will help but only in the spots inside the red bucket that it can reach. Without fresh air, water and nutes to the rootball eventually you will get root rot or another root disease and could easily lose your crop.

GL if you go back through some of my older grow logs you'll see we've been fighting this issue for YEARS and never did find a good way around the problem despite drilling TONS of extra holes in the buckets among other things. We ended up going with some different and modified buckets instead of the red w/f's

[SnSstealth]

LOL...i gotta sense of humor WH, no worries..I am to damn stoned right now to remember much though...only a few grams left of the JHxBB:(
WT

[Weedhound]

http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/146534-c-crowd-17.html

Hey Gl.....go to page 17 of my c crowd log and read up on what we did to the white widow to try and combat the same problem you are having with your plants.....a few pics there too. Hope the info helps. ;)

[GreenLeaf420]

I seen those roots SICK. I'm going t chance it I'm going for the Largest WF Buckets EVER. Is that correct if it work? I will give it a shot but I have my bails of pro mix waiting. The whole LST thing is new to me I just want to support them the way they stand now and not LST any IDEAS?

[Weedhound]

Well you don't have to bend the branches in order to help support them.....tie the tape to the main stem if you want.....we've done that before and it worked fine.

Just remember to do both sides equally.

[GreenLeaf420]

WH do you think it could be possible that I do not have major root development?

Remember when I was hitting them W/ 1500PPM's they blew up to be monsters.

I ripped 4 out today and looked at all the roots. In C Crowd I seen the roots and I could not believe the way the hydrotone was stuck to all the roots. When I opened those 4 the roots were not even close to that yet the stems strength is a concern I think cause there are not enought roots. I put them to 12/12 I'm cutting all th clones. I'm giving them the best environment possible lets see if they give anything back.... Worst case I will be ready....

Thank You so much for everything GL 420

You are a great help and a great friend Thank You

[Weedhound]

Yes that could be exactly OR the opposite problem somewhat which is that the roots get so crammed in that red bucket because there is nowhere else for them to grow to that they end up dying off and then rotting. This is the issue we dealt with several times in previous grows and really got out of control in our last few grows when our zyme product become outdated and we didn't know it and couldn't understand why we were starting to see so many root problems all of a sudden.

I then beat my hydro man into a corner and got hold of the following information: First of course was that my cannazym was too old. He also sold me something called root excualator which I haven't used yet but was quite expensive. He also recommended something called Rhizotonic for the roots to assist with root growth.

What's the difference between these? Rhizotonic helps grow better, more and stronger roots. Cannazym takes dead and dying roots (as in later flowering plants or where your roots die off because they are all crammed together and makes them an inert material....ergo....they don't rot! Pretty cool eh?

The only big restriction is that you cant use either on in conjunction with H202 (or the Root Excel thing either which is for treating root rot I'm told) so it's one or the other.

[Weedhound]

Thanks very much for the thanks..:D. I love helping folks who WANT to learn and who are willing to do the work. You are both. :)

On reflection I think you have too many roots but they are not healthy and so are dying off and/or rotting and affecting the strength of your stems. You have nice large plants but had several "root issues" along the way including your ph issues AND overnuting which burns the roots too. Taping your stems WILL help and using rhizoT and cannazym wiill help as well as long as you have good drainage through the red buckets. Otherwise the odds are much more against a finished harvest without problems.

[GreenLeaf420]

WH check out the first page of the thread the first post was May 12th. Look @ the size of the roots in the PIC. That plant in the PIC is the largest healthiest plant I have now and it's only been less then 30 days since the PICS. Well I'm not doughting you. Just looking into things.

I'm cutting clones everyday and I will be getting ready to do a soil bed. I want to try a Tranoble. I will never do another DWC if I can not get these to stick with me. Either way I will be prepared for the worst. I'm just hacking up all my big Mom's so I think the beds are going to happen. I will give them 10 days in flower just to see what happens with these. Plant size I should see 4oz a plant? what's your opinion if they were to make it?


Thanks again for everything WH :thumbsup:

Sincerely, GL420:jointsmile::jointsmile:

If the DWC does not work:( I will go soil but then I will come back with the AERO to stick with the HYDRO CREW;)

[GreenLeaf420]

Even when they flower they will need to be tied up or branches will snap. Someone mentioned to Put chicken wire to the ceiling. I really am not into that to many hours of tyeing. The bed will be built tomorrow

[McDanger]

Hi all,
After reading this thread I think I will do an e&f for my 1st hydro. My question, If I lower the ph to somewhere in the 3's to prep the hydroton will it rise to the 5-6 level just from pumping it thru the e&f tub with 40lbs of hydroton in it? I am going to let the system rum for 24 hrs to prep the hydro.

Thanks for your help

GL420, sorry to see so many problems, this is scaring me away from w/f just when I was about to build one. I think I am getting information overload.

[Weedhound]

McD.....you can try it but the only real way that works is thoroughly preparing it by rinsing and continually resetting the ph before you start AND while you run the system. The big key with hydroton is watching the ph like a hawk......not real conducive for convenience if that's what you are looking for.

[McDanger]

Thanks, I started with 5.3 ph 20 min ago. I have to go get some work done so I will let it run and check it again when I get back, then adjust. I already flushed it 3 times but did not adjust the ph. I am still getting brown dust into the res. I'll keep flushing till it clears up. I have time since this was to be for the flowering room and I was going to use a drip into rw for the veg.
What is your opinion on this? Looking for any feedback good or bad.
Better to avoid as many problems up front as possible.

[GreenLeaf420]

IT MUST BE SOAKED 24 Hrs W/ PH WATER SETUP TO 4 W/ HALF GROW SOLUTION OR YOU WILL KEEP HAVING PROBLEMS> LISTEN TO WH

[McDanger]

OK I will adjust now

[GreenLeaf420]

I'm cloned out over 100 cut today....

Ratio with the EZ is just that EZ so far 100 percent.

Well Stinky I'm coming to the soil side!!!!!!

[Weedhound]

Dude I'm very bummed to hear this......:(

[GreenLeaf420]

WH THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOUR HELP AND PATIENCE...
When are they going to make you a MOD?

I will be using a Hacksaw to cut the buckets open to put them outside. I have them on 12/12 now but I heard the STINK one time say leave them in dark for 5 days then bring them out and they will Flower? Could that be true? I may have missed quoted her..

[GreenLeaf420]

WOW WH the trials and Tribulations continue. I cut the 100+ clones last night. After sexing 6 NYD SENSI STAR Plants. I Fucked up so so so bad. I was supposed to hold 2-5-6 which gave me a 50/50 Ratio great good old lucky GL. Well anyway I filled the EZ 120 with some Fiing MALES I held number 3 instead of 6. BIG BIG BIG Mistake. Well I RE-CUT 100 clones of CHURCH. I think you grew out that strain? How was the yield and quality. I have them from GHS Company they were FEMS. They did not have any troubles with the CHURCH herming out but I will hit them with reverse just encase.

I hope this is a new chapter opening. Going back to the basics SOG 100+ in a soil bed. I want to try the Tranoble grow....

Thank you again for all your help GL 420

HEY MODS WHEN ARE YOU MAKING WH A MOD? SHE IS MORE THEN A GREAT BEACON OF LIGHT:thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

BUMMER!

The one church plant we grew was GREAT! It was terrible in veg, then turned into a monster in bloom......something like 7 oz or something. Let me see if I can find a pic...

[SnSstealth]

yes GL....come to the dirty side...:cool:
WT



funny thing WH...some stork dropped by with goodies!!! I feel better about having to start anew now:thumbsup::jointsmile:
wonder how to thank a bird...............

[Weedhound]

I'd have to check my records (Read: my old grow logs) to remember how long we flowered this plant for. VERY VERY strong smelling all the way through bloom but a very good yield for the wimp it started out to be.

[GreenLeaf420]

Wow WH that's the best new I have received this whole week....

How is the taste on a 1-10 Is there a Strain to compare it to...

Sns I'm coming to the soil side but I have a little dilemma Which probably explains issues with FF Soils... Any help would be appreciated. I need to find this Sunshine #4 or something compatible..


Take a small handfull of Pro Mix and put it in a beer cup and fill the cup allmost to the top with water. Stick a PPM pen in the cup and let it sit over night. The PPM will be somewhere around 1100 PPM. That is way to much for clones. I find that they will burn and be very slow to take off. Every time I have told someone this that use Pro Mix they have come back to me and told me that I have solved alot of problems for them.

Allmost every person I have talk to have had problems with the HP. I told them about the PPM and they too told me I have solved so many problems for them. For the PPM in the Sunshine Mix #4 im not sure but i think its about 300-400 PPM.

Thanks for Everything GL420:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

I will not smoke till the work is done in the room everyday. So i have to get it done really early... LOL:jointsmile:

[GreenLeaf420]

Very nice looking buds on that plant WH:thumbsup:

Yield is good smell is strong Taste?

Quality 1-10

THC Strong Mild Headie

7 weeks or 8

[Weedhound]

Yield WAS good
quality was pretty up there BUT made me sleepy. Worked GREAT for Mr Hound's insomnia so we found it to be a much more couchlock than up high.

Taste......Couldn't really say because we either cook or make capsules with most of our weed.

Gotta be 8 or nine weeks.....I'm POSITIVE it wasn't 7.

[GreenLeaf420]

Thanks for the INFO WH and all the help..

So you never answerd me....

WHEN THEY MAKING YOU A MOD?

[SnSstealth]

I too will be attempting a church sprout in episode 3...wish em lucks:thumbsup:
WT

[GreenLeaf420]

Ohhhh Yeah we will have good comparisons and will be able to learn the strain from each other:thumbsup::thumbsup:.

Were your seeds from mine are GHS

What Medium are you using WH

Whiskey Tango

GL420:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

[SnSstealth]

eh....Ill worry about medium if they pop...WH has me scared to wet em...lol:jointsmile:
WT

[GreenLeaf420]

They will pop what do you have them in Peat Pellets?

Are they GHS or were did they come from FEMS or they need to be sexed?

I just hacked up 6 huge plants. It's a shame we are unable to share amongst friends....;)

STINK I know the rules but they do SUCK sometimes. Especially when it's all for a good cause;) LOL

Check out that SUNSHINE #4 it seems to be really good stuff.

I could put 500 clones on anyones table and they will just be waisted because the DWC is being terminated. They can't go outside because what WH had said is 100 percent true they were ROOT BOUND...


Good Luck

GL420:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

[hatecable]

so as far as the half solution, which solution would you use? the veg, general purpose, phase to bloom, bloom? Im thinking of just using the general purpose mild thats on the GH bottles, but i just want to make sure before I do so and have to go back and fix it.

[GreenLeaf420]

Read LateWoods GH 3 Part Thread It will sum it all up for you Eay way to go!!!

Good Luck GL1

http://boards.cannabis.com/hydroponics/93676-latewoods-legacy-gh-3-part-calmag-tutorial-discussion.html

[hatecable]

im sorry, i left out an important part of that last post. I meant what solution to use in pretreating the hydroton.

[xcrispi]

WOW
Hadn't ever seen the thread before man . :stoned:
16 w/f , you needed a warehouse -n- like 10,000w. of light . :D
No wonder your in soilbeds now . Think you'll ever tinker w/ the w/f's again man ?

Sorry I wasn't around to lend a hand . :(

Peace bro.
Crispi :jointsmile:

[GreenLeaf420]

WOW
Hadn't ever seen the thread before man . :stoned:
16 w/f , you needed a warehouse -n- like 10,000w. of light . :D
No wonder your in soilbeds now . Think you'll ever tinker w/ the w/f's again man ?

Sorry I wasn't around to lend a hand . :(

Peace bro.
Crispi :jointsmile:

Hey X It was only me and Ms..WH For this Ride!!! They were all fucked up VEG to long... They were monsters in less then a month. I had to wack them all Off... Tauht me don't go so big your first time trying DWC. LOL It was a HARD learning experience... I still have the buckets Maybe Ill try again next time I wanna go NFT... WH was saying while we were doing this thread we need XC to help!!! LOL GL1