My Botanical Venture

[Technique2]

So here we begin. I started on this venture of curiosity April 24th of this year. Yeahhhhh, and this is where all of the intrigue begins. :wtf:

Day 1 The first set of bag seeds I germinated started my little operation off on the right foot. Woot!
They were planted/placed in their individual containers, labeled and set on the Veg-rack. :jointsmile:

Yeahhhh, and this is where the fun begins. I began this â??no money neededâ?� scheme to attempt to test my botany skills. Yeahhhh, so starting off from this juncture I had no awareness of the obstacles I would create for myself. :(

Day 2 I decided that all plants need is dirt sunlight and water. So I proceeded to the good ole garage to locate some potting/top soil (which for some strange reason this household has to spare) I took the potting soil, some mulch mix and some growth granules (I concluded that these were the murderers 10-10-10) and mixed them into what I thought was a Martini similar to the one James Bond is so famous for ordering, and my little seedlings soon-to-be-saplings would love it, Right? Yeahhhhh :wtf:

Day 4 Yeahhhhhhh, so once I had kiilled two perfectly germinated batches of seedlings by sticking them into this toxic crud, I realized something; this soil mix sure smells of Ammonia <_< :wtf:

Yeahhhhhh, so once I sorted out that seedlings definitely do not like Nutesâ?¦..:D

I had to scrap all that I initially began with after my enlightenment and brief brush with ignorant failure. I went out and bought some Jiffy seed starter mix (it is working wonderfully) 4 - One Gallon pots for the first of 2 transplants. A 1960â??s Sylvania Gro-Lux light fixture that I will use strictly for flowering. And I actually took the time to setup the Grow Room properly. (Osc. Fan installed/Light fixtures hung properly etc..) :D

I still have a few things to add like Intake/Exhaust for proper air circulation, and painting the entire closet with Flat white. (which we just so happen to also have spare counts of laying around) :jointsmile:

The Grow Room itself is a pine closet that measures, 89" X 47" X 78" Height X Width X Depth

There is a closet next to this one that is 3 times the size which I may use as an isolation room once I reach the gender determination stage.

To assess my first grow, I would say that "common knowledge" and assumptions can ruin the start to anything, but with the right insights (thanks to this forum) and a little preparation, and Plackoww!

Day 14 Now I have 3 little sprouts peeking at me when I enter the Grow Room. :D My 3rd Grade science teacher would be proud! :rastasmoke:Yeahhhhhhhâ?¦.

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[Shovelhandle]

Best of luck, tech2

[killa12345]

Thanks for the comment....it seems you might be a liitle further than i am....i just started germination 7 day today, but they are growing good. a few questions and comments.

1. What type of light do you have in the room now....it seems like a big room if those dimensions are in inches.

2. How much are you watering at this point?

suggestions on my limited experience up to this point.

1. add some perlite to the seedling mix....i used the seedling mix by itself and the mix seems to retain to much water....i left my first of germinated seeds in just the seedling mix watered each 2 inch pot with only 1/2 oz of water (used a medicine cup found on nyquil) and the mix seemed to still be wet on the 3rd day.

When i germinated all the seed i planted using three different methods and the seedling mix by itself only produced 2 of 8 good spouts and of those 2......one became a mutant and the other my best looking plant (I guess the harsh conditions made it strong maybe).

2. Try smaller pots in the beginning...it seems harder to control the water in a bigger pot which could lead to death by overwatering

these are just suggestions from my limited exp to this point
killa12345

[Technique2]

Nice insights bro. Much appreciated.


1. What type of light do you have in the room now....it seems like a big room if those dimensions are in inches.

Nah, the room is really just a closet.
I have 2 GE 'sunlight 48" fluros currently for veggie stage.
I may try to flower with a redder spectrum fluro using the other 48" fixture I have.


2. How much are you watering at this point?

I water once or twice daily. The room gets pretty warm so moisture does not accumulate and stay, it's humid, but the humidity levels are consistent due to the osc. fan.

I am doing exactly what you are doing with the three different mthods of germinating. I know have 3 healthy sprouts and a possible 4th poking through from the second batch of germinating techniques. The third setup involves me placing 1 seed each into their own individual containers with the seed starter mix, water applied generously to wet the surface, a lid was placed on all 8 containers, and they are resting on a heating pad.

If I have success from this method, this will be the 'method of choice' for the future.

Once I transplant, I plan to begin using a high drainage lower half, and a more concentrated/compacted upper half. I only plan on 2 transplants, but I am fighting with only transplanting once IF I build this 20 Gallon tub into a sanctuary for possibly 4-6 healthy dames.

[PlantHeadJ]

Hey there, I would recommend a good nutrient. Your plants will love you for a good dose of P + K for flowering. Two things not to skimp on...Light and Food. Just my 2 cents.

[Technique2]

@ PlantheadJ

I will definitely be investing in Bloom Booster for flowering. I am going to go easy on the nutes for flowering. I never want to OVER-DO anything. I want nature to take it's course, and I assist.... ever so slightly.

Thanks for the insights.

[killa12345]

Hey Techique2

For germinating i use the paper towel technique. I use very high quality paper towels, but 1 roll might cost you $2.50....i used 1 paper towel....run it under tap water.....squeeze all the excess water out (all of it). Place seeds in paper towel....fold once...spray once with tap water sprayer....very gently slide in quart size bag....DO NOT CLOSE BAG......place next to cable box or anyone hot electronic device IN THE DARK....I try to prop the bag vertically against the cable box..Usually all seeds will have a very nice tap root by 48hrs..I then place them in jiffy pellets...Using this method ive almost gotten 100% germination rates.....I will be testing this method further....But im a statistician by trade...so i will be test the validity of this claim further...

Try this method..
Good Luck....Ill stay tuned.
Killa12345

[Technique2]

Nice method. I DID attempt this method in the beginning, with a HIGH success rate. The only thing is, there was mold or mildew in the process. Meaning the seeds would germ' but they would also have a moldy aroma associated with the process. I REALLY did not like this, so I changed my germ' method.

I now place the seeds into 4" containers I purchased from the $1 store, all of which have lids. I start by filling half the container with Jiffy mix, then I wet it, then add another layer of Jiffy Mix, wet, and layer again, then I use a pencil to poke a hole and drop the seed in, cover it and wet again. The lid is applied and the containers are placed on a heating pad.

This method has turned my "Look and See" method of the paper towels into a "Wow, look at that sprout already showing" from just placing the seed in an environment conducive to growth.

I remember from Elem. Science class, nature knows best, we help with the rest. We being HUMANS.

So I only give my plants EXACTLY what is contended that our type of plants need. From that point, I know I can NEVER over-do it. Besides, what is the old adage?
"If if ain't broke' Don't fix it"

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[Technique2]

Time for an update:

Here are a few shots of my progress:
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As anyone can see, I am in the infantile stages of this grow. I am using Bag Seed to get my process down. Any inputs of insights would be greatly appreciated.

I have a few more installations to make, such as;


Installing DC conversions to make intake and exhaust fans active.
Painting the entire room Flat White
Adding a door seal strip to prevent light infiltration
Mounting my 2nd 48" fluoro fixture
Installing a power surge protectorOnce I complete these tasks my Grow Room will be pretty much set. One other idea I have is to move my Grow Room to the closet next to this one. This closet is 4X the size of the current one. But as it stands, the current setup is perfect for what I intend to accomplish.

[killa12345]

Technique,

Thanks for stopping by ive been watching your as well.....But definity set up the other closet....the perpetual grow will give you probably 2 extra crops per year.....everyone i know who cultivates uses 2 or more rooms....without the extra closet you might get 2-3 crops per year which might work for you....but if you have one room for your mothers and clones and another bigger room just to flower.....its just a matter of getting the durations right and you can probably get 4-5 crops per year.

The set up looking good man....my plants arent doing so well....they need a flush already runoff was at like 6.0...they still look good but they are getting worse by the day...i need a new house so i can just do it in a whole room again......but back to you......do all that stuff to the room because its probably all needed at this point if your goint to take this hobby serious....unlike what im doing at this point....good luck....ill be tuned in..

peace..until next time
killa12345:thumbsup:

[Technique2]

killa12345,

Good afternoon to you.:thumbsup: Thanks you for peeking in on my operation. I am definitely going to apply my changes or additions this evening. As it stands, the Dames are doing great, the temp. was 77 and the humidity was 38%. I just finished watering/nuting them. I discovered that the ONE seed I have from a named strain (Bubba Kush) germinated today;), so now I have 10 Dames total.

On the topic of perpetual growing. I have a LARGER closet next to the one I am using now. I was thinking of making this my Flower Room:jointsmile:. I appreciate the insight and input. So far so good on my end. Sorry to hear about your Ladies suffering. I hope you get them back on the healthy side of things. I will clean out that other closet later and post pictures.

[Technique2]

I just peeked in on my dames and discovered the temp. to be 81 degrees and the humidity 42%:( If this is any indication, my Dames are in for quite a HOT summer down the road. Since it is only spring, and the outdoor temp. is 68 degrees today:(. I can only imagine what the temps will be in the coming months.

Any suggestions beforehand on how to avoid the BROILER room temperatures of summer? As it stands I only have the one 48" fixture running.

Note: this is before I have activated the intake and exhaust fans. Will the function of these fans help to alleviate heat concerns? Or will I need to take different measures?

[Technique2]

Technique,

Thanks for stopping by ive been watching your as well.....But definity set up the other closet....the perpetual grow will give you probably 2 extra crops per year.....everyone i know who cultivates uses 2 or more rooms....without the extra closet you might get 2-3 crops per year which might work for you....but if you have one room for your mothers and clones and another bigger room just to flower.....its just a matter of getting the durations right and you can probably get 4-5 crops per year.
killa12345:thumbsup:

Yeahhh, so I accomplished the clean-up and here are the images of my soon-to-be Flower Room:thumbsup:

Also, the temperature issues are no more, all I have to do in order to reduce the heat is run the House Fan for a few minutes on the sweltering days.;)

Anyhow, the images of the soon-to-be Flower Room.
The room measures 7'6" High X 9'6" Wide X 7'6" Deep:thumbsup:
Plenty of space for plenty of Mothers:D
Left side of Closet
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Right side of Closet
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Doorway Shot
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[whoreable]

Thats a growing paradise right there, that little wooden corner.

Wow, I could do so much in that little space, lol.

Goodluck!

[iriebowl]

damn you can grow some monsters in there. Ill be lurking on this one



stay irie

[Technique2]

Thanks whoreable and iriebowl:thumbsup:

I THOUGHT my little operation would be SIMPLE.:wtf:

Now, due to the advice of killa12345 it has turned into this.:D

All it took was initiative and elbow grease. Now I have a DEFINITE weekend project of painting both closets flat white. As well as mapping out my ventilation system, procuring and installing the (by my guess-timations) dual 600w HPS lamps, digital timers, more fans, create a soil mixture, humidifiers, more nutes, light-proofing, killa12345, see what you instigated??:wtf:

j/k I'm loving every minute of it, oh AND the Dames are doing fine. All is well in my little neck of the woods:thumbsup:

[killa12345]

Now that is a growing paradise.....that closet is huge....for that type of space id be starting some more dames(i love it)...i hope my ladies come threw which i think they will.....but we are both going in opposite directions.....You can go bigger...while i have to down size today...6-8 plants hope it goes well....but keep up the good work....Sh*t with that closet your never going to have to worry about smoke anymore....Also id read rhizome's thread about setting up a room...some really insightful stuff about ventilation...PS if you think where you live is hot in the summer......got into my SUV yesterday and i said it was 108F outside eventually falling to 101F.
Good Luck
Killa12345:thumbsup:

[killa12345]

Also....You might want to consider mylar....because those wood closets look really good in the finish currently.....if you ever wanted nice closets again....just a heads up.

[Technique2]

killa12345,

Again, thanks for the support:thumbsup: I hope all goes well with your progression. Wow! 108?? Do you know how many SUPER-SIZED slurpies from 7/11 I would go through in one day???:D

And on the idea of Mylar, I think these Cedar closets served their purpose as such for as long as I can remember, housing old clothing, memorabilia, and junk. I think it's HIGH time this closet is utilized for something MUCH more beneficial to one's well-being;)

Besides, clothing doesn't care what you store it in right?:D I plan to remove the clothes hanging pipe and paint today, pics will follow completion.

On a side note. My oscillating fan took a crap on me again today (repairable). I mean it still moves air, but the oscillating function has failed AGAIN. I think I will opt to replace it.

[Weedhound]

That IS great looking wood......make a LOVELY hardwood floor. :thumbsup:

[Technique2]

That IS great looking wood......make a LOVELY hardwood floor. :thumbsup:

Awww, now I am starting to feel sorta guilty about the whole painting idea:(

Here I am all motivated to go and prep the room, and you guys are admiring the parque:cool:

I will heed the advice of the 'masses' and look into Mylar.:thumbsup: Besides, I am a long ways out from actually UTILIZING this space. I am just a FORWARD THINKER.

And thanks for stopping in fellas. You are definitely welcomed here, and all of your insights and suggestions are much appreciated.

[Technique2]

So I am starting to hone my thoughts more towards the Hydroponic (soiless) recirculating side.... Yeahhhhh, and I find myself Thinking...........:smokin:

This
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And This
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And This
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Elevated Gravity Drip Nute Receptical
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And lastly Lower Nute Station
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And this is where my moment of clarity halts....

To be continued...

[iriebowl]

how big are those buckets and net pots? I think your gonna need bigger buckets for those pots. other than that I cant wait to see that room in bloom.

[Technique2]

how big are those buckets and net pots? I think your gonna need bigger buckets for those pots. other than that I cant wait to see that room in bloom.

I was initially thinking the same thing, but since I am also thinking of using individual air stones to distribute the Nutes via the Gravity drip system, (aquarium hose to each pot with an air stone on the end) I anticipate the bucket will only serve as a run-off/collector/ Excess root holder.

And if I get the delivery system right balanced with the right amount of H2O/Nutes, I should be able to set this up and monitor w/o all the mess I know I am soon to experience with my Soil Grow.

But to answer your Q.

The Net baskets are 5 Gallons in volume possibly more. (they weren't exactly intended for the use I am concocting)

The Mop Buckets are 3 Gallons or so in Volume. But we will see.

[killa12345]

Technique2....

When i said take your hobby seriously....shit i didnt think you would start so quickly.....man i wish i had the room you have now but i can wait.....ill just stockpile and find deals on equipment till i have the space....I really cant wait to see this....Good luck.....and sorry for what i started with the wood.....but weedhound was right....with a little sanding and finish...those closets could probably make a nice floor...but shit with the yeild that other room could give you....you could just go out and buy some fantastic floors and save the pain and heartache.....
See u soon.
Killa12345

[killa12345]

Technique2....

Also....it seems like you are a perfectionist like me......if you want to use that space right......look into stadium grows with verical lights......you will be amazed..
Sorry for the double posts.

[Technique2]

Technique2....

When i said take your hobby seriously....shit i didnt think you would start so quickly.....man i wish i had the room you have now but i can wait.....ill just stockpile and find deals on equipment till i have the space....I really cant wait to see this....Good luck.....and sorry for what i started with the wood.....but weedhound was right....with a little sanding and finish...those closets could probably make a nice floor...but shit with the yeild that other room could give you....you could just go out and buy some fantastic floors and save the pain and heartache.....
See u soon.
Killa12345

Ha!

Well, I am a person that starts with VERY little knowledge and understanding in a subject, but I QUICKLY get up to speed with the basics working my way towards the complex. On the topic of my Venture, I am learning all the do's and don'ts just for the SETUP portion. I.E. aluminum foil is BAD. Mylar is good, Flat white is acceptable. Insights like these which I have read countless times, seen people who have used the GOOD the BAD and the UGLY and their results, formulated my perspective and moved forward.


Technique2....

Also....it seems like you are a perfectionist like me......if you want to use that space right......look into stadium grows with verical lights......you will be amazed..
Sorry for the double posts.

Well, PERFECTIONIST may be a stretch in my case, but I do like CONFORMITY. So If WeedHound for example has instructed someone else in another thread, well, Technique2 will apply that knowledge that WeedHound has imparted directly to MY Venture.Why, because I am a person that respects someone else's growths and triumphs (inspiration) as well as their short-comings and failures (insights). If they can help me an any way, I am all ears, (or eyes in our case)

(as I said in Rock.Steady's thread, YOU WILL WIN)

[killa12345]

Well Ssid Technique2....I will you all the luck in this endeavor....seems like you got a lot of people hoping for the best..
Keep up the good work

[Technique2]

Well Ssid Technique2....I will you all the luck in this endeavor....seems like you got a lot of people hoping for the best..
Keep up the good work

Thank you very much. I am pulling for you and ANYONE who is giving this hobby or horticultural method a go.

[Rock.Steady]

hey Tech,
nice start, the brainstorming kinda reminds me of my 'little' grow, which spawned a whole sub-room and A/C dedicated to the space in summer. details in my 1st thai log.
what started as a small cabinet turned into a stealth flowering room, 3ft wide, 8ft tall and 7ft deep, with useable floorspace 3x5ft and 8ft ceiling, cut 6in hole thru ceiling for vent to attic, and a 250W HPS, which im sure will be upgraded to 400w (possibly with added T5's vertically in the corners), in the coming weeks.

ur venting will help, but summer will be a challenge. u may need some a/c action nearby;)

IMO, u mentioned a larger closet nearby. THAT would be my flwr chamber. the one u have setup would be veg.

as to white and that lovely wood...

no to mylar. u'll get hot spots and burn the plants

I would feel bad painting that wood. can u afford that thin white sheeting? if so, get that instead so it can be removed to show that beautiful wood, sometime in the future.

thats all i have for now.

Good Luck on ur grow!:thumbsup:
i'll be watching:cool:

[Technique2]

hey Tech,
nice start, the brainstorming kinda reminds me of my 'little' grow, which spawned a whole sub-room and A/C dedicated to the space in summer. details in my 1st thai log.
what started as a small cabinet turned into a stealth flowering room, 3ft wide, 8ft tall and 7ft deep, with useable floorspace 3x5ft and 8ft ceiling, cut 6in hole thru ceiling for vent to attic, and a 250W HPS, which im sure will be upgraded to 400w (possibly with added T5's vertically in the corners), in the coming weeks.

Yeah, I TYPICALLY go there, when I am BzzzzZzZZ so, yeah, I re-visited my brainstorm while grounded and realized that for me to accomplish a GREAT grow room, I need to focus on the setup/process before creating something larger-than-life. So I have re-prioritized myself and COMPLETELY committed myself to raising the Dames I have now.


ur venting will help, but summer will be a challenge. u may need some a/c action nearby;)

Hmmm, MAYBE, I will definitely watch the temps with an eagle eye.


IMO, u mentioned a larger closet nearby. THAT would be my flwr chamber. the one u have setup would be veg.

Yeah, the WOOD room is the LARGER area I mentioned. This is turning into a VERY interesting Venture. Fun but interesting. And the room my sprouts are in now is NOW dubbed the Veg room.


no to mylar. u'll get hot spots and burn the plants

Understood:thumbsup:


I would feel bad painting that wood. can u afford that thin white sheeting? if so, get that instead so it can be removed to show that beautiful wood, sometime in the future.

You mean like the big rolls of paper Painter use? Not sure where I would locate that.


thats all i have for now.

And it was definitely HELPFUL USEFUL and APPRECIATED.:thumbsup:


Good Luck on ur grow!:thumbsup:
i'll be watching:cool:

Thank you! I'll be Growing!

[Technique2]

The Dames are growing steadily, Some of the earlier planted plants have been passed or caught up with in size/leaf production. I guess this is strain dependent.

What I HAVE recognized through observation is:

Whether or not you can INDEFINITELY identify a strain by appearance at this stage is arguable, but I CAN definitely tell that from BAG SEED all of these Dames have something different to distinguish them.

Some have spear-shaped leaves, some have some-what rounded leaves, some have long leaves some have shorter leaves, some spread their leaves in more of a TABLE method, some FOLD their leaves. What I have been searching HIGH & WIDE for is the level of vegging and/or maturing from seeding towards flower that a plant must reach for ONE to have INDEFINITE strain tendencies displayed?

And BELIEVE me, I am not talking about INDICA or SATIVA traints here, I am speaking of the STRAIN specific tendencies. I.E. Grandaddy Purple would show WHAT characteristics while young?

Follow me? I hope so. (even though I'm pretty lifted right now)

At any rate enough babbling from the peanut gallery:

Dame #1 my eldest and strongest
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My 2nd strongest
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Side by Side
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Here is the TABLE look
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And a shot of my 4 best.
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[Technique2]

Everything is moving along nicely. No issues, just growth:thumbsup:

Dame #1
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Dame #2
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Dame #8
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Dame #5
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I was informed Dame 10 is a seed from Bubba Kush:wtf: Any insights/clarifications?
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[iriebowl]

so far so good from what I can see, but I do have a couple tips/questions. Do you have drainage holes in the seedling cups? also since theyre clear you might wanna cover them up with foil or duct tape if you havent already. Roots dont like light. You wanna get a really strong root base while theyre young to increase health and vigor later on.

As far as strain characteristics its really hard to tell the actual strain at such a young age. Even later on during flower it will be hard unless its a really obvious type with strong traits. Either way trying to figure out what strain the bagseed your growing is a toss up. Even if you got the seeds from the same bud it can still exhibit phenotypes which will confuse you and make you think the seeds are all different strains. Is a name really that important? just be patient and they will tell you who they are.

Hope you kinda understand that bit about strains, been reading my DJ shorts breeder book so if you wanna know something else I can look it up for ya.


stay irie

[Technique2]

so far so good from what I can see, but I do have a couple tips/questions. Do you have drainage holes in the seedling cups? also since theyre clear you might wanna cover them up with foil or duct tape if you havent already. Roots dont like light. You wanna get a really strong root base while theyre young to increase health and vigor later on.

As far as strain characteristics its really hard to tell the actual strain at such a young age. Even later on during flower it will be hard unless its a really obvious type with strong traits. Either way trying to figure out what strain the bagseed your growing is a toss up. Even if you got the seeds from the same bud it can still exhibit phenotypes which will confuse you and make you think the seeds are all different strains. Is a name really that important? just be patient and they will tell you who they are.

Hope you kinda understand that bit about strains, been reading my DJ shorts breeder book so if you wanna know something else I can look it up for ya.


stay irie

Yes, there are drainage holes in the containers.:thumbsup:

I am going to attack the 'clear' issue this morning.

No, don't mistake my curiosity for lack of understanding. I TOTALLY know that the plants will BECOME what they are PROGRAMMED to become ( in optimal conditions ) BUT, I was wondering if during the Veg stage they could POSSIBLY display ANYTHING. I guess not, thank you for the clarity.:thumbsup:

I WILL be patient as I always am. All I have been doing lately is providing the basics and watching them grow. And I am not concerned about the NAMES of this first try, I will be doing a NAMED strain soon enough.:pimp:

Thanks for the input, I value the feedback.

[jakezking]

Tech! Glad to see your ladies are prospering. It seems like you are assimilating the grow information very quickly. I look forward to continuing to follow your log. Your plants and mine are about the same age. They are close in size, but my first set of lower leaves are yellowing due most likely, in my uneducated opinion, to nutrient burns from adding nutrients too early as well as the fact my lady is in Miracle Grow soil already. I am assimiliating the great information here too, just not as quickly or well as you.

Thanks for sharing your log - I will continue to follow it.

[Technique2]

@ jakezking
Thank you for the encouraging words:thumbsup:. And yes, that is a GIFT (or a curse) to be able to know very little about a subject, jump on the Net, do a little research, and viola! I understand the BASICS. That, and the KNOWLEDGEABLE people on this site are AWESOME! :jointsmile:

Now, to the Dames::cool:

Here is Dame #1
http://lh5.ggpht.com/martinjazz1/SDUiz7CgkoI/AAAAAAAABF8/i1c6L3I-pDQ/s800/DSC01524.JPG
And Dame #2
http://lh6.ggpht.com/martinjazz1/SDUi5LCgkpI/AAAAAAAABGE/JbaGTKtBJrg/s800/DSC01525.JPG

So far so good:thumbsup: I am satisfied with the progress thus-far. Also, Dame#2 is starting to reveal a Skunky aroma:D

The remaining Dames are progressing nicely as well, but I don't feel the need to flood my Log with ALL my images.:cool: Dames #1 & 2 are my oldest plants.

[killa12345]

WOW....Technique...the plants look great...mine are taking a turn for the worse......maybe if i can work out all of these problems ill be better off for the next grow.....but man...now i can see the difference already......i glad one of use has some what of a green thumb.....on another note...all my outside babies are thriving....2 to 3 times the size of my indoor babies on the same regime.....i will definietly stay tuned.....good luck.....hows the other room coming? its been a few days...im sure you made some progress?
Killa12345:thumbsup:

[Technique2]

WOW....Technique...the plants look great...mine are taking a turn for the worse......maybe if i can work out all of these problems ill be better off for the next grow.....but man...now i can see the difference already......i glad one of use has some what of a green thumb.....on another note...all my outside babies are thriving....2 to 3 times the size of my indoor babies on the same regime.....i will definietly stay tuned.....good luck.....hows the other room coming? its been a few days...im sure you made some progress?
Killa12345:thumbsup:

Thanks again for the support/compliments. It's unfortunate that you are experiencing difficulties. Have you isolated the cause yet? Nice to hear about the outdoor grow doing well. I haven't changed anything or added anything. Just water/check/adjust heights/ LOW does of nutes/ observe. Seems to be working fine for now. I'll post updated images later today.

The Flower Room:

I decided that I will complete it on the eve of transitioning the strongest females from this bag seed grow. Also, I plan to upgrade my lighting next. The fluros are decent for vegging, and from all of my research I have settled on going with a 600w HPS for flowering. I decided on a 600w because it is said that scaling up to duals is much easier and effective for decent sized grow areas. I am working on locating two that will fit right into my space perfectly. (the perfectionist in me peeking out) although I will only purchase one to start.:thumbsup:

[killa12345]

Technique...
My problem is i gave them no nutes...just water.....for 3 weeks......with no nutes at all in the soil.....but it all started with ph out of wack which probably gave me nute def. in some areas....i think i got i worked out...started small dose of fox farm 3 part.....plants look to be pulling out of it.....probably lost a week...but its a learning process..But on the 600w hps......Bro....it tell you search digital ballast on Ebay......I have not seen one 600 digital ballast sell for more than $110 in the last 3 weeks.....trust me they are even selling for as low at $70 brand new lunitek 600w switchable digital ballast...im bidding on 2-400 digital ballast....im sure they wont go above $130 for both. good luck on the lighting
killa12345

[Technique2]

Transplanted mostly all of my plants over the last 2 days. All of the transplants went well. FWIW it will behoove me to start my seeds/clones out in much larger containers to prevent root binding.

During my transplant procedure, I noticed almost all of the plant's roots growth had been stymied, which in-turn stymied the growth of the plants. (so noted for next Grow)

Beyond that observation, all of them Dames are doing well.

Dame #1
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Dame #2
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[bombdiggity]

looking nice and healthy! :thumbsup:

[Technique2]

looking nice and healthy! :thumbsup:

Thanks for noticing bro:jointsmile:

I need to be moving towards purchasing my HPS light. It seems the oldest plants I have are wanting more of EVERYTHING. H2O, nutes, SPACE <--- critical (pot size even).

For my first grow I am taking notes of the short-comings I have experienced and how to avoid them next time. Overall, I am impressed with the progress.

Thanks again for peeking in.

[killa12345]

Hey Technique

What kinda soil are you using?

Both of them.....The seedling and the Veg soil...

What are the nutes?

Plants are looking good bro....They are getting wide....Mine are staying like 3-4 inches wide but they all have like 5-7 nodes each....Im going to take pics on Tues.....Mine indoor ones really needed nutes.....They are all growing again...The LSTing just added to more stress the plant didnt need...I think ill keep 4 of them( I could keep all six but i think im going to transplant once more into 2.5 gallon square pots(like week 3 of flowering) .and I just started 2 white skunk seeds on friday...now just starting to grow its first set of leaves...I think im going to get some FF light warrior for these babies..Then to the bag of FFOF i bought last week....
see u soon
killa12345

[Technique2]

Hey Technique

What kinda soil are you using?
Both of them.....The seedling and the Veg soil...

What's up bro? I started with this:
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And recently decided to create a simple soil compound including this soil:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/martinjazz1/SDu8TLCgllI/AAAAAAAABPg/Oeq4wZuM1bQ/s400/DSC01613.JPG
and this
http://lh4.ggpht.com/martinjazz1/SDu8SLCglkI/AAAAAAAABPY/-hWDNH6-lSo/s400/DSC01612.JPG


What are the nutes?

http://lh5.ggpht.com/martinjazz1/SDu8UbCglmI/AAAAAAAABPo/lyy-ADVJdEk/s288/DSC01614.JPG
http://lh3.ggpht.com/martinjazz1/SDu8U7CglnI/AAAAAAAABPw/81lKJDxBows/s288/DSC01615.JPG
Simple stuff, I have done EXTENSIVE research and decided that all the SPECIALTY growth serums that are out there, are just FLUFF. I am going to K.I.S.S. to avoid to many placebo effects. ( or unnecessary complexities)


Plants are looking good bro....They are getting wide....Mine are staying like 3-4 inches wide but they all have like 5-7 nodes each....Im going to take pics on Tues.....Mine indoor ones really needed nutes.....They are all growing again...The LSTing just added to more stress the plant didnt need...I think ill keep 4 of them( I could keep all six but i think im going to transplant once more into 2.5 gallon square pots(like week 3 of flowering) .and I just started 2 white skunk seeds on friday...now just starting to grow its first set of leaves...I think im going to get some FF light warrior for these babies..Then to the bag of FFOF i bought last week....
see u soon
killa12345

Yeah they really have perked up from the transplant. I can only imagine how they will react to the FINAL transplant and the 600w HPS light that I will have set up by this week end.:thumbsup:

As it stands I now have 13 healthy plants. All I provide it what they NEED nothing more nothing less.
FOOD
WATER
RESPECTMy Dawg Rogga!

[killa12345]

looks good...I was trying to keep it simple too.....But i guess i got a little ahead of myself by trying to go organic.....maybe next time ill get it....Just a piece of advice....i tried a MG grow before.....Watch the nutes....i remember trying i think 1/2 the dose and i killed some really nice plants like 21/2 months in. Good luck thanks for the info.
see u soon.
Killa12345

[Technique2]

Thanks for the Heads up. I am using these nutes at FRACTIONAL doses, and I am not using one of them AT ALL yet anyway. I plan on getting a GOOD bloom nute soon though.

My main concern now is locating a decently priced 600w or 1000w HPS setup. I want to transplant the Dames one last time then relocate them into the Flower Room.

[jakezking]

Technique, I am glad to see your Dames doing extremely well. I agree with your simple approach to growing, and I am attempting to follow the same approach in my outdoor grow with the Freeze. I have not gone anywhere other than the mass chain stores for all of my products. I also tend to neglect my Freeze a bit, so keeping it simple helps me maintain a consistent regime.

Thanks for your pictures. I will try to update my log this afternoon or over the weekend, so you can get an idea where my Freeze is, as it seems she is about the same age, a bit older, than your Dames. I look forward to continuing to follow your log and the Dames' growth.

Take good care out there, my friend!

[greenatik]

hey, your plants are looking definitely healthy, nice looking leaves. I am not sure if you said you were going to start the plants in larger containers on your next grows, but I do not recommend that. After reading Stinky's thread on why plants love to be transplanted, moving up in increments as you have done here, really helps promote growth. as long as you transplant when the soil is in its' dry state, it should be easy and painless and the plant will not be stunted.

good luck and yes, keeping it simple is always a good thing, I over ferted my first plant ever and almost killed it :jointsmile:

[Technique2]

Nice growth and development.
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#2
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The stems on #1 and #2 are THICK and healthy. No signs of trauma or sickness.

Here are the newest additions to the Grow:

The Purps
http://lh3.ggpht.com/martinjazz1/SETDPXYxQcI/AAAAAAAABU4/_Zb4nJIaKpc/s800/DSC01687.JPG
Purp #2
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I inherited these Purp seeds through a trusted acquaintance.

And lastly, my favorite youngling:
http://lh6.ggpht.com/martinjazz1/SETDUaeAx2I/AAAAAAAABVM/XlyGSC5TgmI/s800/DSC01692.JPG

[hydrocannabis]

:jawdropper::jawdropper::abduct::jawdropper: :thumbsup: :jointsmile::rastabanna::postgood:

nice. no wate I ment very nice.

[killa12345]

Nice Technique....

I like the addition of the purps to the lineup......I guess you got gifted as you said you were....My plants are doing good as well.....About 1ft tall indoor....2ft (outdoor).....I started 2 wl white skunk in hempy buckets which are 28 days behind the bagseed and growing fast....Im going to update my log this week....my bagseed is not nearly as wide as yours.....on the hempy buckets i cut of the jiffy pellet netting and my plants are getting really wide.....man im really glad to see your progress....i cant wait to see them in your new room....i ordered a 4X4 grow tent with a 600w, but waiting to move to set it up...
killa12345