Newbie CFL Grow..Could use advice and criticism

[killa12345]

First id like to thank a lot of people on this website to inspired me to try this horticulture thing again. (especially bordom children of and stinkyattic) Thanks for the great ideas

So i decided to build a rubbermaid unit like bordom childeren of rubbermaid box design with just a few changes. (for veg and flowering)

right now it has 6 cfl at 26w a piece and they are all 6500k
(box stay at about 76-80 degrees f with Humity around 40-55%) but it is already 95f outside and humidity is at 70%

I got busted building it by my roommate and cannot use it until i move out in a month

So i build a cardboard box dimensions 12"x20"X20" with a pc fan and 2 cfl @ 26w both 6500k good box temp between 74-79 F with humidity at 40-55%....I plan on redesigning this box to fit 4 cfl's but that has to wait till monday.

I currently started 15 seeds from some bagweed i had which id like to practice and get my skills before i buy some exotic seeds. all 15 seeds germinated within 2 days and i planted them all in jiffy pellets and placed the pellets in 2 inch jiggy pots until 2 days later i noticed the roots like 4 inches below the jiffy pellet in 2 days. So i replanted the jiffy pellets in 9 oz syrofoam cups so i wouldnt have to transplant the plants again for like 2 more weeks.

Sorry for the long post but i just wanted to tell the whole story in case someone wants to follow this grow log like ive followed most of yours.

At the time the only problem i can say is the second set of leaves are very small at this time which is only 3 days after they sprouted and some of the stems are purple ( which i think is common.)

I will upload pics later when my roommate is sleeping. My roommate smokes but really doesnt like the idea of growing..i know i should respect him but if they got to be 1 month old and i showed my progress he would definitly want the grow to continue. thank in advance for all the comments and criticism

Killa12345

[justanotherbozo]

i think most people will give you some crap about not respecting your roommate. that being said, i can understand your zeal. keep in mind that the plants need both ends of the light spectrum throughout thier life. they need some red during vegging and some blue during flowering. so i would suggest 5 to 1 blue during vegging and 4 to 2 red during flowering, assuming wattages are equal. let me say also that i'm no expert, most of what i say i got from the lips of others (well, not thier lips exactly, the typed word, but same diff)

anyway, i'm using cfl's myself, come on by and check it out

[bombdiggity]

Be careful with that roomate situation... sounds like bad news to me.

why not just wait till you move out, then you wont have to sneak around and such.

[killa12345]

Thanks for the advice....the roommate is not really that much of a prob. We tried this before with a 1000w hps and it became a multi room project which then had to be taken down because our landlord came by.( hes mad because of the lost of investment) Since it is my house and i let him stay with me and i invested all the money in the project it shouldnt be a problem.

And if it is..... id be glad to rip it down....its just bag seed that im trying to get my technique down before i move...so when the time comes i got all the supplies and my system down.

Heres some pics this is Day 5 from germination and the 1st or 2nd day since the plants have gotten their second sets of leaves. .

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[killa12345]

so i got the new box built last night temps are a little hot at the moment but trying to get them down right now the range is about 77-82 F which isnt to bad...

2 questions out there for our seasoned growers.

1. My humidity is 37-50 in the new box i add cups of water to try to get it higher only time will tell, but if the humidity stays in this range will the plants still grow and flower well?

2. I have my plants about and inch or some might even be closer to the light. I dont see any spots or heat problems as of now. My question is what should i look for to know the lights might be damaging my babies?

And how do u guys get the smaller pics on the log.....sorry for the big pics i will try to fix for my future pics.

i will post more pics soon of the height when the camera is done charging.

Thanks in advance
Killa12345

[killa12345]

heres some pics please tell me if they r to close to the lights please?

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk229/killa12345_photos/project/Veg%20day%202/DSC00769.jpg
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk229/killa12345_photos/project/Veg%20day%202/DSC00771.jpg
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk229/killa12345_photos/project/Veg%20day%202/DSC00777.jpg
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[justanotherbozo]

your pics are too big, try saving them to a folder on your computer. open them indivdually, then right click on them and look for a way to resize them, then just save them at 800x600 into a seperate folder or with a different name. then post the 800x600 pics.
or you should actually be able to just upload them with the button 'Manage Attachments' a little lower down on this page (the page that comes up when your posting a message). when upload from there, we should see thumbnails of all the pics which we can click on individually to enlarge.
hope this helps

bozo,
peace, love, dope

[should]

Distance wise the lights look fine, just make sure the lights never touch the plant and keep them about 1 to 2 inches away from the tips of the plants. good luck:thumbsup:

Edit: i cant tell by the picture but it looks like there isn't a reflector above those lights, this means your plants wont be getting all the light your providing and it looks like its causing them to bend more towards the light then usual (somebody please correct me if I'm wrong). to fix this get either a metal reflector or just paint the box with a flat white paint.

[SimonMakus]

Hey Bozo, looking good so far!

Should is right, the CFLs are fine where they're at. Not much penetration with flouros so the closer the better. The way to tell if the light is too close is by looking at the burnt leaves after you move the light up :) Seriously though, 1 inch away is perfectly fine and will show no adverse effects until it's literally touching the plant.

If the box is reflective on the inside you should be fine without any reflectors. In fact, and someone correct me if I'm wrong, CFLs focus most of their light out the end, not the side.

edit: I see that it's not mylar'd or painted, get that done asap. Should is right again, you're losing light to the brownness

On another note, I don't know about using a cardboard box as cab/tent/grow space. It just seems like a potential fire hazard that should be avoided, especially since it's YOUR house ;)

Also, what type of soil/mix have ya got there?

[SimonMakus]

Ugh, I forgot, I have more to say! And apologies to Killer, as this is his grow, not Bozo's as I mistyped before.

Instead of your highly flammable paper box, maybe try setting up a small PVC frame of the dimensions you require, then wrap it in mylar emergency blankets. It isn't light-proof, and neither is your current, but it works well and looks neat when all closed up. You see a dimmed version of your garden that you don't have to squint at!

When 12/12 comes around you'll need to think of something a bit more complicated. Probably start scheming now, if I were you.

edit: One last thing, maybe get rid of a few of those just to keep things on a smaller scale? Personally I would do 5 or 6 and hope for half females. After that's established, mom it up and clone your ass off

[justanotherbozo]

i would say, based on my limited experience and some extensive reading, that those are called 'seedlings', now seedlings just don't need that much light, in fact, just putting them on a tray under the window and out of the direct sunlight would be great. try to remember that they are BABIES, you don't treat your babies like you would mature ladies.
also, Simon's idea about moving into a better home is a good one, although, if you can get it, Panda plastic would be better than emergency blankets, it's white on the inside and black on the outside and if you do it right, it will be light proof. also, if you do make the move, you will need to make sure and add some ventilation in the new box.
anyway, good luck. keep it up and keep us informed

bozo,
peace, love, dope

[killa12345]

Thanks for the much needed advice. I plan on probably getting some mylar or painting the box white on my day off. I just hate going to all the hydro shops around here because the cops just stake them out. I plan on continuing to use the box for now because for right now it seems to be do the job. I read on this forum and other forums of people using cardboard boxes (the bulbs are rated at 110 F and the box should definetly beabout withstand 125 F temps. I also plan on reducing the number of babies until i have 6-8 healthy ones (i rather start with a high number and seed out the weak). As for the lightproof issue i can barely see anylight in the position it is in the closet, and i dont plan of flowering in the box and i probably wont flower in the rubbermaid either. I considering going with a 600w cool tube for flowering when my lease is up next month and i move by myself. Thanks once again for answering my questions. See u all soon
Killa12345

PS. I origanally was going to the the emergency blanket on PVC before the box but i heard the blankets retain to much heat which is a real problem where i live...Temps at 8:30 am 87F and its only May:)

[killa12345]

The soil mix is a seedling mix i got at walmart for $2 then mixed it with a 1/4 perlite, but the plants were started and still sit in jiffy pellets.

ive tried the seedling mix without the perlite and the soil seemed to retain to much water. Even with the perlite i water each cup 3oz of water with a turkey baster and they looked a little saggy. I dont plan on watering for another 2days or every 3 days. The next watering ill only give them 2 oz next time and check on them daily.:)

[justanotherbozo]

check out Zebulon's little cardboard box, it may inspire you.
here's a link to one of his threads
http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/145025-zeb-s-pure-cfl-grow-log.html
read through it, it's a few pages long but it has LOTS of useful and inspiring info

bozo,
peace, love, dope

[killa12345]

So i took should's advice i woke and saw the post i found a brand new can of flat white paint in my garage.....Painted the box white.....took all but 10 min it a roller and 2inch paint brush.......let it dry for like 2 hrs.

Left came back home and i dont know if its just me but all the babies really perked up instead of leaning toward the light...even the babies in the back....Thanks i really never thought it would make a difference this fast but i guess flat white paint goes along way.

By the way, most of the babies are getting their second set of true leaves....Thanks for the advice....ill be posting pics in a day or two.:)

[justanotherbozo]

glad you liked Zeb's log too, i thought you'd find it helpful

[killa12345]

ive come to a crossroad in my grow....i just ordered 20 seeds from dr. chronic. White label's double bubble and white skunk hoppefully they are good strains and my seeds actually come...Ive heard only good things about dr. chronic i thought id go cheap until i know they will come...then i will purchase some more exotic strains.....heres were the crossroad come im going to continue this grow until the seeds get here which at that time i might start the new seeds or i might let this first grow continue for experience....i just dont know what im growing now but i hope its good.

[Technique2]

Nice bro, you are a little further along than I am, but we both started on similar routes. I hope to procure some 'premium' seeds soon either as a gift, or possibly a favor, but I think I am going to let my bag seed grow run it's entirety.

Reason being, curiosity. Besides, you started something, so finish it. I am excited about eventually reaping what I have sown, lol

[killa12345]

Well guys its day 4 of veg and the third set of leaves seem to be a purplish brown i dont know what the problem is....if there is one.....i rotated the plants with the purplish leaves with some of the smaller plants in the back till i find some answers. i removed the mutant out of the box. it had its baby leaves around the true leaves for like 3 days, but i did look at the rooting system and the plant looked to have healthy roots(about 20 different shoots going further then half way down the cup)...The soil still felt a little moist but a tad dry on top....ill probably hold off watering for another day.

Please any feedback on the 3rd set of leaves turning this color would definetly be appeciated.. Here are some pics.

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk229/killa12345_photos/project/Veg%20day%204/DSC00781.jpg

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk229/killa12345_photos/project/Veg%20day%204/DSC00782.jpg

http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk229/killa12345_photos/project/Veg%20day%204/DSC00784.jpg

[killa12345]

Last night before i went to sleep i looked at my babies and most of them seemed very droopy......Usually from most of the pics the plants are usually very perky and the leaves usually reach for the light.....My conclusion is underwatering just a little....the soil seems very dry....so i woke up this morning plants are still droopy so i will water today 2oz and try to water every other day.....my last watering was on monday with 3oz each plant which seemed to much for every other day watering, but to little for water every third day.....Have a good day peeps and stay tuned it...:jointsmile:

[killa12345]

Well guys it looks like im on my own:(. No one is really leaving comments or saying anything, but i will continue the log because i see people are looking just not commenting..please i need it to stay organized with my thoughts

Well its Day 8 since the seeds popped out of their lovely little jiffy pellets. 6 of the 12 are getting their 4th set of leaves while the others are still on their third set of leaves. I bought a moisture meter to make sure the soil was damp enough.

2 babies are starting curling downward but are still growing..I think this was due to letting the soil dry out to much....these 2 plants heve been the runts throughout the grow till this point so i thought i leave them in the box till day 14.

on a good note......all my friends who have grows going which told me to wait for clones are all starting to come through...Hopefully in the next few days i might have some clones of pink or strawberry cotton candy, og black haze (which is a local strain that been around probably over 30 yrs. and is some of the best bud ive ever smoke except that it takes usually over 12 wks. to flower), and the origanal sour diesel ( which my friend said he got from one of his long time NY grower):thumbsup: We will see though i been promised clones for the last 2 weeks, and is the reason i ordered seeds last week.

I also added 2 drops of superthrive to 1 gallon tap water to help with root stimulation.

I continued to water each plant 2oz of water every other day which seems to be working.

Here are the pics.....Please leave advice or comments...i could really use some confidence....being my first solo grow.

[killa12345]

Heres some pics of my droopy plant

And all the pics from above are pics right before today watering..

2nd pic below is all the babies in da box
till next time

killa12345:thumbsup:

[hudson88]

Hey Killa,

Looking good, the watering becomes easier as the plants get bigger, like you said when they're happy the leaves point upwards then when they start dropping they're telling you they want watering. Give them a good watering and let them dry out, cannabis likes a wet/dry cycle rather than being permanently wet.

Glad to see you sorted your pics out ;)

[SimonMakus]

Actually they look overwatered to me because of the soil, unless you just watered. If that's the case and they were too dry you've already solved your problem by the time I'm posting. Those lil guys are just in styrofoam cups so knowing when to water by weight is super easy. You don't need a moisture meter ;)

When the cups feel light (and before they start drooping) give 'em a good watering, enough so a little bit comes out the bottom drainage holes.

Do this a couple times and you learn to differentiate very well.

Happy growing, Killa!

[should]

i use a moisture meter to know when to water, it takes a little getting used to but once you do it makes it alot easier.

[killa12345]

I plan on transplanting the plants on friday which is only 5 days away.....I need a soil mixture...This is what i was thinking:

Also i can see the roots coming out of the hole i made for draining....should i transplant eariel than my proposed date.

30% Premium Top Soil ( its the only soil i can find with no nutrients in it...)
maybe scotts or schultz or anything i can find at lows,hd, walmart, or taget.....All the potting soils had nuts for like 2 months to 9 months.....

30% candian peat moss

30% perlite

10% worm casting

some dolomatic lime for soil and peat moss..Ph levels

I plan on using alaskan fish fert for veg maybe with something else like bat guano or something

On another note...im really trying to find grow bags or square pots to utilite space the best...any suggestions would help.....i need them by friday

Like i said i hate going to the hydro shops around even though they are very close I REALLY HATE THEM....on that note....i also have tons of landscaping and nursuries around do you guys think they might stock a better soil mixture or my grow bags and pots

PS....the plants are really looking good after yesterdays watering with superthrive......Now most of them have their 4th set of leaves and all of them including the droopy ones are looking much stronger with the superthrive.....another watering tomorrow...hopefully with pic.....until later...peace out
killa12345

[Technique2]

I currently started 15 seeds from some bagweed i had which id like to practice and get my skills before i buy some exotic seeds. all 15 seeds germinated within 2 days and i planted them all in jiffy pellets and placed the pellets in 2 inch jiggy pots until 2 days later i noticed the roots like 4 inches below the jiffy pellet in 2 days. So i replanted the jiffy pellets in 9 oz syrofoam cups so i wouldnt have to transplant the plants again for like 2 more weeks.

My process was VERY similar to yours. I however, lost my first two batches of germinated 'bag seeds' and eventually got the process right. I am now nursing my little sprouts along nicely.

They are doing well. I will post updates images to my Grow Log and my post in the Indoor Growing forum.

My sprouts are responding well and steadily growing. You are doing an excellent job keep at it.

[SimonMakus]

Thanks for the update on your grow, Tech ;)

Yo Killa, what's happening? Your soil mix is alllllmost there - composted manure and humus instead of top soil (lowe's, walmart, etc) and use less moss, just cut the peat out of the lineup totally.

I do about 50% manure/humus, 35-40% perlite, and 10-15% potting mix (peat based) and a handful or so of lime per container. I could probably live with a bit less perlite though, and a little more compost. No castings for me right now, but feel free as I think it would be ok at 10% or so. Maybe check around some more organic boards to be sure.

Everything else sounds good. I run 3 gallon buckets in a sog-ish perpetual that I bought from Lowe's for like 3 bucks a piece. Wally world has plant-specific 3.x gallon containers for about the same price.

[killa12345]

Hey SimonMakus, and Technique2

For Real Thanks forthe input.....I appreciate it....The problem about humus and cow compost is that is only come is 40lb bags around here and they are both sold seperately....not very expensive $2.00 a bag or so...which would be ideal...but dont you have to mix the soil and let it sit for like 2 weeks before you use.....

I really think my plants are getting rootbound already...which makes this even more of a problem..

Why I think my plants are getting rootbound:

1. My roots are coming out of every hole it its container usually 3 or 4 roots coming out of each hole. (7 holes in each 9oz cup) at the very bottom of the cup.

2. With may water schedule staying consistant.....2 oz every other day.....the plants are looking to slowly need water sooner....my plants are getting droopy after being very perky..first it was a watering every 60 hrs.....then they started to get droopy after about 48 hrs.....Now they look perfect for about 40 hrs then get very droopy. Which tells me they are using the water much quicker....i will take pics of the soil today before i water...

Last night before i went 2 sleep i looked at the plants and after being peerky all day......all the plants at night all lok droopy...so i gave each plant 1 squirt from the water bottle which equals about 2mL or 1/50 of a oz of water......not very much.......I woke up all the plants look perky again...

i think i need to transplant already.....but its only 12 days from the time they sprouted and 10 days since their first set of true leaves.

Thanks again for the comments and input
Killa12345:thumbsup:

[killa12345]

Well i just came home for lunch to waterthe babies and what do you know back to droopy..They all were very perky this morning when i woke up after the 1 spray last night..i think i see when my babies are tell me they need water....i guess that 1-2ml only lasted 12 hrs....6 of which the lights where off.

Heres some pics: (all these pics are before watering today)

Pic 1: one of the babies today before watering
Pic 2: some pics of the babies
Pic 3: One more pic of one of the babies
Pic 4: Some of my plants curling toward the ground ( i think tell me it time for water)
Pic 5: Soil Shot to show dryness

Any comments would help
Until next time!
Killa12345:thumbsup:

[killa12345]

Here are more pics with potential problem areas:

Pic 1: One of the leaves has this on the tip....(The only one though)....Not really worried

Pic 2: This is right after watering (1 minute) But the plant is turning downward and some of the leafs in my garden are taco'ing maybe 6 leaves out of all the leaves on all the plants...

Pic 3: One of the draining holes for the cups.....are the roots poping out a problem

Pic 4: another pic of the roots on the very bottom of the cup

Are these plants showing signs of rootbound?

Any suggestions would help
Killa12345:thumbsup:

[justanotherbozo]

then yeah, the roots popping out the bottom will only make transplanting more difficult and also damaging to the roots, if the roots are at the bottom of your cups, i'd transplant into larger pots, not too much larger either, i've become convinced by everything i've read here, especially StinkyAttic's threads, that you're better off transplanting several times into slightly larger pots than just doing it once into a big pot, better, healthier roots. i'd also just trim that dead shit off that leaf, i don't know if it's necessary but i do it anyway and it hasn't seemed to hurt my plants. i may be wrong but i believe that dead shit like that will spread down the leaf, if you trim it, it should stop the spread. then, you'll only have half a leaf but it will be healthy.
anyway, toke amongst yourselves

bozo,
peace, love, dope

[zebulon]

No i don't think that they are rootbound yet, but Bozo is rite whit the continuous transplanting....imo you should wait a bit longer whit the transplant, till the plants develop stronger roots....
And i think that it would be maybe better if the drain holes would be on the bottom of the pots, and not on the side, so excess water can leave more easily, because the plants look a bit over watered....

[killa12345]

There are large holes also on the bottom a little better than a 1/4 inch.

[Technique2]

Just stoppin by to see your progress. I like you had issues where my plants were drinking A LOT more than I was providing. (well in my case the older sprouts)

Make sure you peek in on my little operation.
http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/155436-my-botanical-venture.html

[SimonMakus]

Put those babies in some bigger containers, and they'll thank you for it. That's actually a lot of nice root growth for that young of a plant. Go ahead and grab some 1 gallon pots and switch those ladies out. Trust me, you'll be watering less ;) My from-seed plants go to three different homes over their lifecycle. Some ppl do even more though!

Bozo, I disagree about cutting off the dead tip. The pic doesn't even show us what the problem is (maybe work on your focus, Killa :smokin: ) and until we find out, don't cut anything off. Necrosis should not occur in a plant that young. I'm betting it's a pH issue, but we'll see.

[Technique2]

Put those babies in some bigger containers, and they'll thank you for it. That's actually a lot of nice root growth for that young of a plant. Go ahead and grab some 1 gallon pots and switch those ladies out. Trust me, you'll be watering less ;) My from-seed plants go to three different homes over their lifecycle. Some ppl do even more though!

Bozo, I disagree about cutting off the dead tip. The pic doesn't even show us what the problem is (maybe work on your focus, Killa :smokin: ) and until we find out, don't cut anything off. Necrosis should not occur in a plant that young. I'm betting it's a pH issue, but we'll see.

This is EXACTLY what I am planning to do. I have 4 - one gallon MATCHING pots as it stands, but I also have access to some mix-match one gallon pots as well. I am a person that appreciates uniformity so I like for everything to be consistent so as not to create any placebo effects. (nothing like blaming that un-initiated for YOUR fowl-ups)

I eventually plant to procure some 5 gallon containers to transplant to for their final home, but that is a LONG time from now so I can hold off.

killa12345,

You should definitely transplant ASAP to avoid un-due stress, stunted growth or complications later on when you are FORCED to transplant. Nice Growing!:D

[killa12345]

Update:

One Monday i posted problems with my plants....thanks to some of the people out there i determined the ph was way to low for safety...
Tap Water= 7.6 ph
Soil Runoff= 6.0 ph ( way too low)

So i flushed the plants....none of them showed much improvement but stickyattic said it would work.....and i believe her....

Soil dried out mostly as you will see from the pics on transplant day.

Well its a sad day today some of the babies had to go....Well not really...I decided to transplant today into 5 and 6 in pots....The problem is only 6 plants fix into the box this way so..I knew this day would come just not soo soon....i choose the plants that looked the best to transplant....The other 6.......Well those went into 1 gal pot....and placed outside just in case.....:cool:

The soil mixture i used was 1 part black gold cow compost/1 part organic potting soil with no ferilizers (found at local nursury)/ 1 part perlite.

I added 8 or 9 tsp. of Dolomitic Lime to the mixture for Ph because i used about 10 gals of soil/compost

Bought 10 soil ph test kits.....now i should be able to get a good read.....soil reads at 6.9 ph......i think thats going to be better...
Bought some plant ph up/down...placed one drop of down in my gal of 7.6 ph water.....knocked it down right at 6.7.....Think this is also going to help....Also stinkyattic told me to go back to 24 hrs of light which i started on monday also...

Here are some pics of transplant day...Sorry for the sh*tty pics
its like 100 F outside....want to get back in the A/C

Till Next Time
Killa12345:thumbsup:

[killa12345]

On another note:

My seeds from Dr. Chronic came yesterday.....which was only 6 days from the night i ordered them including the weeking...he sent shipping conf. on Friday so they took 3 days to get here....Some where in the US....

Heres some more pics from Transplant day..



See You all Soon
Killa12345:thumbsup:

[zebulon]

They look great....nice work so far....:thumbsup:
Remember to give they enough water...and soon you can maybe start to give them some grow nutes...low dosage of course...
Keep it up....:jointsmile:

[Technique2]

On another note:

My seeds from Dr. Chronic came yesterday.....which was only 6 days from the night i ordered them including the weeking...he sent shipping conf. on Friday so they took 3 days to get here....Some where in the US....

Heres some more pics from Transplant day..

See You all Soon
Killa12345:thumbsup:

Awesome progress! Nice to see the ladies in new homes, they will DEFNITELY appreciate more space.

Congrats on the arrival of a 'named' strain. I am hoping this ONE Bubba Kush seed one of my buds had will be fem. Beyond that I will not be purchasing any named seeds until this Venture goes well. Meaning, I am harvesting.
:rastasmoke:

Looking good though dude. Keep it Growing!

[killa12345]

Well i woke up this morning and looked at the babies they all seem to be liking their new homes......they are still a little saggy but i think the soil is the way to go......i only feed them 4 oz of water yesterday which i dont think was enough we will see.....I also misted the soil as i mixed it to make sure it was moist..(only 5-6 sprays per container).....

On another note....the reason i think the soil and ph is going to work......The plants i place outside i drenched in the remaining water.....Almost flushing the plants once again....I just looked at those plants....And wow....They almost look perfect....I hope the ones indoor start to perk up like the ones outdoors....The outdoor plants almost look better than the indoor ones., which was the complete opposite yesterday before the transpant and the flush of the plants in the 1 gal pots....

I think i will water tommorrow, i plan on checking soil before i water just to make sure its dry first...

See You soon
Killa12345

PS.....All the plants seem to be getting their 3rd node at this time some are on node number 2 but all the plants seem to be growing more leaves between the nodes which i guess means their not dying:)

[killa12345]

Well its been 2 weeks...im watering them again today before work 4oz was just not enough water.....tried 5 oz today got a good amount of runoff.....tested it 6.8....good

After work...went to the hydro store.....wow they have expanded....and most of the prices are close to ebay if not cheaper in some cases.....and they had everything...from grow tents...verticle cool tubes...every single thing ive been looking for the last 3 weeks....im not going to waste my time anymore at hd or loews.....straight to the hydro store from now on....thank god i left my wallet in the car.....could of easily walked out of there 3 grands poorer...But back to the log..

While i was at work i did a lot of reasearch on lst'ing so i thought i give it a try when i got home from work.....i know its early...but ive read you can start as early as the 3rd leaf set which most of mine have 5 at this time....

Here are the pics

Pic1: All the babies in their new homes...getting bigger
Pic2: Nice top shot of the growth
Pic3: This plant will now be refered to as "droopy" but not for long
Pic4: Another top shot of growth
Pic5: Side view of growth

[killa12345]

Here are the two problem plants i have:

Pic1: "droopy" - But if you notice droopy from its pic on May 12...it has completely doubled in size in 4 days....Nice..

Pic2: Here is the plant i will call "the one are bandit" The result of bad newbie ph leveles or something.....i think it will pull threw.

[killa12345]

Well i decided im going to try to lst the plants tonight......most seem big enough one might be too small but i will just LST it too, for uniformity....

Here are some pics on my first LST'ing attempt.

[killa12345]

Here are some pics after the LST'ing last night.....wow they really respond fast.....last night a lot of leaves were touching the soil after LST'ing.....this morning almost none are touching the soil....

PS i used metal hangers cut into piece for the LST'ing...I plan on trying to wrap it around the pot.

Enjoy the pics
Killa12345

PS....pics 2 and 3 are of "droopy" doesnt look nice LST'ed

[Technique2]

Here are some pics after the LST'ing last night.....wow they really respond fast.....last night a lot of leaves were touching the soil after LST'ing.....this morning almost none are touching the soil....

PS i used metal hangers cut into piece for the LST'ing...I plan on trying to wrap it around the pot.

Enjoy the pics
Killa12345

PS....pics 2 and 3 are of "droopy" doesnt look nice LST'ed

Nice work with the altered hanger. Don't you love it when a plan comes together? I hope this LST'ing goes well for you. And 'Droopy' is hanging in there. Stems on the Droopster are showing signs of some type of trama/stress, other than that the Droopster is keeping it moving.

Good job killa12345!:thumbsup:

[killa12345]

Well on day 19 - the plants really are starting to take a turn for the worse.....

since the site was down my plants have gotton much worse....the ph is still in a good range but the leave are really dying fast.

reduced the amount of water i feed to about 4 oz. per plant....

Foliar feeding the plants 1/4 dose of fox farm 3 part according to their feeding chart..

Here are some pics

[Revanche21]

Well on day 19 - the plants really are starting to take a turn for the worse.....

since the site was down my plants have gotton much worse....the ph is still in a good range but the leave are really dying fast.

reduced the amount of water i feed to about 4 oz. per plant....

Foliar feeding the plants 1/4 dose of fox farm 3 part according to their feeding chart..

Here are some pics

Might be too small for nutes still

[bombdiggity]

stop the nutes. let them get established!

[zebulon]

I would say your soil mix is not good for the plants...

[killa12345]

I would have to completely agree with you Zeb...After doing much research on the soil companies i put the soil mixture together from....I came to the harsh conclusion that the soil has absolutely NO Nutes in it at all.....The potting soil had 80% peat and 20% perlite thats it....The cow compost had some minerals...but it seems not enough to sustain MJ by itself.....Lacking some serious trace minerals.

I bought some FFOF for the next grow which is commencing as we speak....i wont waste the FFOF on the bagseed grow....Ive started two White Label White skunk Seeds yesterday.....Germed 2...Two hatched in 24 hrs...now in jiffy pellets...Now waiting to pop out of the soil...Which i wont need nutes for atleast a month with the OF

I realize the PH problems ive had in the beginning are probably contributing to some nute lockouts im having now..But 4 of the 6 seem to only have their few two sets of leaves yellowing...so these might be able to pull through....Also....The pics in the log are before the nutes were added.....Since then...the plants are really getting back to growing....They were stuck for a few days..now they are back on a fast pace growing new leaves daily....We will just have to wait. Thanks for all the people that weighed in.....I will be updating the log with the new grow with new materials..

Also...My roommate found the box....likes it.....I brought the rubbermaid box back to the house....Put it in my closet....and now testing the temps...I think i got it...But i will continue to run the 2 boxes....One now in my roommates room and one in mine....You see how life works out.

Killa12345

PS...Got my second batch of seeds from Dr. Chonic today Took 5 days...Got 10% discount for belonging to another forum.....KC brains NL and Nirvana WW......Got a free pack of Critically Smashed ( White Rhino X Critical Mass)...now this make 5 different strains just waiting to be grown.

Ill update with pics in the next day or two.

[killa12345]

Ive been real busy lately and havent been able to update the log....

The plants are doing good.....all the old plants are now outdoors..i got tired of the plants and my soil problems, but they are still growing 3 of them are showing preflowers and are about 2 1/2 feet tall. Nothing really impressive...so ill update those pics when they flower outdoors.

But for now, here is my new project which are WL white skunk grown hydroponically in hempy buckets...Full FF line, full strength nutes from 4 days from seed(Following the FF nute schedule to a T). Here are some pics...Today they are 18 days old...The pics are:

Pic 1: Babies 4 days from seed...Day 1 of Hempy buckets and Nutes.
Pics 2,3: Babies @ 7 days old.

Pics 4,5: Babies @14 days old.

I plan to veg for another 2 weeks and flower

[iriebowl]

wow nice improvement, and glad to hear about your roomie. now you can have double the fun, or have a lil competion and see who can grow the better buds.

So far all looks fine and dandy, just be sure to fully let them dry out before watering again. I usually water right before they start to wilt, and give them enough so water runs out the bottom for about a half a minute.


stay irie

[killa12345]

here are some pics they will be flowered at 28 days...one is showing a female...top 2 or 3 nodes have white hairs growing near thr new shoot grow.

Today they started being feed 3tsp of grow big hydro, 1 tbsn of big bloom, and 1/2 tsp of open seseme all FF nutes

hope you enjoy the pics.

[NaughtyDreadz]

lookin bushy... me likes

[killa12345]

Here some pics before cloning....They will be cloned tomorrow...The bottom 6 shoots off each plant....

Since moving to their new homes they really spread out since sunday afternoon....its only 2 days and they got wide. Take a look.

I included the pics of the pre-flowers i have on both plants....sorry for the pics im using a handheld digital 10mp w/5x zoom, but when i look at the preflowers with a 15x magnefying lense...i can see little hairs growing from all the preflowers on both plants...really keeping fingers crossed at this point.

Pic 1 is a preflower i think on Thing 1

Pic 5 is a preflower i think on Thing 2

[killa12345]

Heres a pic of the tray of clones i took of the plants.....I took 13 clones total on Thursday..Today is sunday...all still look perky...The white skunk plants have been in bloom for 2 days.....starting to really show preflowers(but small)...i think they might both be males or at least one is a male...idk(not sure, but ill wait for a definite sack of balls before i chop my grows.) I really need one to be a male...because i dont have this much room for all these plants....the clones were for a friend that had to breakdown his room after a bad situation(better to be safe than sorry).

[camoxnhx]

so i love your grow log.. FYI! you WL is looking dope! that sucks about your friend but like they say, A friend with weed (grower) is a friend indeed. Hopefully your clones take root. so how long has your ladies been in flowering now? but im gonna follow your thread to see you outcome... its gonna be AWSOME!

[killa12345]

thanx camoznhx...

Im really surprised how these are growing also...Just Bushes..with CFL's.(especially after blasting them with nutes...A growers..NO.NO!)

The plants are 3 days into flowering....maybe i was being a bit pessimistic im my last post....I really think i got one female and one male, but with my luck would...idk.

Thanks once again for everyone that been with me to this point...i appreciate the comments.

PS.....The friend deal.......Friend got a flat tire, and found a GPS tracking device on the bottom of his car.(F*cking Jackers)...

[Shovelhandle]

Your hydro plants are looking great!

[killa12345]

Thanks shovelhandle...

I guess soil just aint my thing....i had a little success before on a large commercial hydro grow before getting ratted out by my greddy girlfriend.....i guess i just stick to hydro for now....thanks for the comments.

Here what the plants look like Yesterday...Two days into flower 3 days after being raped for clones.

[killa12345]

here are my clones....They are now 7 days old......the 9 clones you see out of the dome have been that way for 24 hrs. Im trying to get them used to the lower RH. The 4 clones in the dome are just not ready for the low RH.

Heres a pic.

[danish]

Its looking good, i just started with seeds yesterday and first plant into peapots today 8/10 so far :D

Im just wondering since your talking about cloning and you guys are smart, would it be possible to clone on feminized or is that out of the question ?

[killa12345]

Its looking good, i just started with seeds yesterday and first plant into peapots today 8/10 so far :D

Im just wondering since your talking about cloning and you guys are smart, would it be possible to clone on feminized or is that out of the question ?

I think starting with a feminized seed would be ideal....unless it hemied on you....I didnt because i didnt know if my seeds would get here....now that i know...i will be ordering a whole lot of Fem seeds in the future.

Here are my clones on Day 8...i woke up this morning to move some of the clones around and noticed some roots. Heres some more pics: enjoy and Happy 4 of July to all of the Americans.

[killa12345]

Heres some pics before Thing 1 babies head to the Trash.

Well i came to the sad realization today that Thing 1 is a male. Deep down inside i knew this for almost 2 weeks now, but had to make sure based on these are some of the best plants ive grown to date. I really think Thing 2 is a male too....I told everyone from the start i have the worse luck in the world.

I decided not to start any seeds for right now.....I will order some new seeds on Monday from the Doc....This time im going to go for CH9 Green Bud and a mixed pack of Fems from CH9 also(plus whatever freebies i might get). Since i figured out cloning, I figured id start with some fem seed this next time and get a few mothers going. Ill probably buy a pack of mental floss also, because ive been dying to try this and Chimera's room just burnt down so i thought it couldnt be a better time to order this strain.

The other day i said i considered this grow a success, but today im kinda bummed out(other than UFC starts in an hour). I just spent 41 days taking care of two males(i dont even want the seed and pollen at this point, but will leave Thing 1 outside in hopes of not a complete loss of investment) I just bought 600hps and im going to order a homebox L for my next grow. Should be started by next monday, based on the doc quick turnaround time. Heres some final pics of the balls on Thing 1 and pics of the clones that are going in the trash.

[killa12345]

Well here are some pics of Thing 2...He is a male too....All the clones are now trash...Thing 1 is in the garden. Here are the final pics of Thing 1 & 2. I would say they are around 30 inches.....Last night they grew into the lights got a little burnt, but who cares now! I just started some Critcally Smashed in paper towel this morning, and ill start a new log once the hatch. Also still going to order new seed and a homebox tomorrow.

Enjoy the Final Pics:

Pic 1: Thing 1
Pic 2: Thing 2
Pic 3: thing 1 in garden
Pics 4-5: Thing 2 male sex parts

[DrSpoof]

What doesnt kill you makes you stronger man... youll just come back better than ever next time!

And I HIGHLY recommend the Homebox line, I'm running the Homebox S right now and I couldnt be anymore pleased with the thing.

:jointsmile:
DrSpiggity

[Diplomat]

Props to you Killa, Excellant Log


Got a quick question, at what week did you approximately clone at, and also, did you Pinch or Fim your babies through-out?


Thanks in advance

[killa12345]

Props to you Killa, Excellant Log


Got a quick question, at what week did you approximately clone at, and also, did you Pinch or Fim your babies through-out?


Thanks in advance


I cloned at 27 days of veg, which was the 31 day from seed....I could of cloned about a week earlier, but waited because i thought my friend was going to help me out....He didnt...I cut them at 27 days. i didnt fim, lst,pinch or any type of way of bushing the plants out....except...everytime i watered them i pulled the big fan leafs down so the lower shoots could get light...i would kinda lst the fan leafs with the new shoots if you can picture this in your head....i dont know...they just were bushes, and a pleasure to grow....everyday i would see 6-8 new leafs from day 10 on...

good luck and thanks for the complement Diplmat....ill have a new log posted in a day or two when my critically smashed seed crack....also ordered some ch9 green bud females so...so more male grow logs..

[jakezking]

killa12345, I am sorry to read about your recent run of bad luck, but as beautiful a specimen as Thing 1 is, maybe you could use him to pollinate part of 1 of your new beans which results in a nice female? At least you have that option, what with 1 hanging out in your flower bed.

You certainly have the talent at growing. And, with all of the well wishes you are receiving from the grand members of this board, surely some good luck is headed in your direction! Hopefully all of your critically smashed will be females, your new beans and tent will arrive, and at the end of the day, you will have an amazing grow set up with a couple of moms spinning off clones and some sweet crossed beans - or whatever you version of utopia may be.

I wish you all the luck in the world, bro! May you have much success with Critically Smashed! Keep on rockin' in the free world!

[danish]

Killa its looking nice ... pass some of the bud ;)

Anyways, the male i killed was not femmed...

I have a femmed one going and have alot on the way, you can see the picture in my log.

Im seriously considering making a mother of one of my WW seeds as it could be funny, im growing indoor CFL soil though, im not gonna go into hydro till i know what im doing then ill try it out, probably next grow i will...

what im also considering though is starting and trying on one of my free BB seeds for the fun any suggestions ?

[killa12345]

killa12345, I am sorry to read about your recent run of bad luck, but as beautiful a specimen as Thing 1 is, maybe you could use him to pollinate part of 1 of your new beans which results in a nice female? At least you have that option, what with 1 hanging out in your flower bed.

You certainly have the talent at growing. And, with all of the well wishes you are receiving from the grand members of this board, surely some good luck is headed in your direction! Hopefully all of your critically smashed will be females, your new beans and tent will arrive, and at the end of the day, you will have an amazing grow set up with a couple of moms spinning off clones and some sweet crossed beans - or whatever you version of utopia may be.

I wish you all the luck in the world, bro! May you have much success with Critically Smashed! Keep on rockin' in the free world!

jakezking.....honestly you made my day....thanks for all the kind words.....i really dont know how to grow mj, but im learning.....this last run showed me that im not a total nongreenthumb.......i found CFL's, Tapwater, and tons of nutes to be the answer to my failures.....I really took everyone words in the beginning like a bible, but now i realize i have to find my own way, which just happen to work this way....

I think my success should be half dedicated to Hempy, and his buckets....this is by far the simplist method of growing....a tad bit expensive because of the nute waste, but that the reason we have outdoor plants, right? I really urge people to try this method of growing passive hydro.....the medium is uber cheap, and the buckets.....no pumps, no ppm meters, just ph and away.

[jakezking]

killa12345, I'm glad I could lift you up a bit. As the song goes - we get by with a little help from our friends. And, we all need a bit of help from time to time - of that there is no doubt!

I sort of feel your pain, because if something wrong can happen, it normally happens to me. My luck has caused me to be a natural pessimist, but being a pessimist isn't all that bad, because when something good finally does happen it is a welcome surprise - all the bad helps all the good seem even better!

Also, I've learned in life that when you win, there really isn't much of a lesson to be learned from it - except that winning is good and fun! When you lose/fail, you remember why you lost/failed, so you try to keep it from happening again - the lessons of history. So, even though you believe you have failed (I think many members here would disagree with you on that point, as you have had a fine grow this past go 'round), I bet you have learned some invaluable lessons, which you will not soon forget. And, you have the Critically Smashed, new beans, and new tent still to look forward to! ROCK ON!

Finally, I am going to have to do some homework on the Hempy buckets. I have seen them mentioned here and there on this board, but have not really known what they were, sort of like reading a book and glossing over a word I don't know the definition of, instead of looking the word up. Well, I'm going to look up Hempy buckets, as your description has really piqued my interest! Thanks, my friend!

[MediJuana]

Hey killa are all of the plants in pictures on this thread grown fully by cfls?
Good looking plants, stick to that feeding schedule and they'll do so well.

[edub325]

Killa thank you for all of your and doobsters advice. I wish my plants looked like that. I know where most of my problem is it's the nutes. well once again ty and great job