newbie hydrocfl experiment

[justanotherbozo]

this is something i started back in Feb. and i'm not exactly what you'd call 'organizized' so note taking has been sporadic at best.

in doing this (posting) i hope to get help with problems i encounter, and believe me, i've not only encountered several problems, i've gotten a LOT of useful advice. i also hope to help or inspire others of us still slogging up the learning curve. mostly though, i do this because i find that i enjoy growing immensely, i find it truely relaxing and there is no bud as sweet as the one you grew yourself!
i find also that i need someplace safe to talk about it, to confer, to opine, to ...

sorry, people tell me i'm long winded. here are some pics of the beginning

1) my cfl's with a view of my old MV security lights (man they sucked)
2) my bin (proto-type #1) with black duct tape, dowels, hot glued for support, and bag-seedlings in DIY net pots, aka dixie cups
3) note oscillating fan in back, air line in front and thermometer hung too high in the upper right
4) puttin' down roots
5) ahhh, my canopy to be

[justanotherbozo]

more pics please

1) the back of my closet
2) work begins on proto-type #2
3) pretty self-explanitory
4) ubiquitous duct tape
5) getting ready for movong day

[moneyshotpb]

what style hydro??
lol looks like you could use some zip ties for the mile of wires
looks cool man ......always wondered what to do under the stairs..

[justanotherbozo]

I guess some background would help so, first, Iâ??m 52 now and I started â??blazingâ?? my own trail in 1968, â??the good old daysâ??. Iâ??m also a disabled vet and a single parent with 3 teenagers convinced they know all the answers before theyâ??ve heard the questions, sadly, just like theyâ??re old man back in â??68, I vacillate between wanting to hug them and wanting to choke them, lol.

Anyway, thatâ??s another story, maybe â??The Trials and Tribulations of Trying To Teach Teenagers To Thinkâ?? would work.

Enough intro, as I said, Iâ??m new to growing, in fact, Iâ??m actually only recording hypothetical scenarios that exist within the nooks and crannies of my half-baked mind, Iâ??ve NEVER actually grown any illegal substances, nor would I. I'm actually just lost in thought.

Anyway, it was last year i decided to try growing my own bud and, although it didn't yield me what i'd hoped for, i got enough to be hooked. lol.
Anywho, that first attempt was in dirt, in DIY pots made from 2 liter Coke bottles and they worked great, not big enough for momma's but nice for clones, and 15 of them fit into one of those bins (before the hot glued dowels were installed of course).
This time i decided to go hydro and i know now, except for outdoors, i will never go back, my results have been MUCH better with the hydro and the cfl's too

[justanotherbozo]

what style hydro??
lol looks like you could use some zip ties for the mile of wires
looks cool man ......always wondered what to do under the stairs..

DWC my man, very few moving parts. also, i don't think i'd know how to act if i wasn't tripping over my own shit, lol, still a teenager myself inside here (my head), and thanks, still very much a work in progress.

[justanotherbozo]

some more pics of the transition to stage 2

1) half done moving
2) move complete (note different colored cups for different bag-seed strains
3) complications (i battle root-rot)
4) more roots, sick from oxy deprivation
5) a little healthier here

[justanotherbozo]

not the yellow tint to the water, i tried some stuff i got at the pet store sold to treat fish with fungal problems, i don't know if it helped or not but it didn't hurt them and most survived. the survival rate of my seedlings has been MUCH better with hydro.
anyway, here are some pics of vegetative growth during my battle with root-rot. note the short internodes brought about i'm sure because i used 4x30wtt 6500K CFL's and 1x40wtt 2700K CFL for lighting, the growth i've gotten off these CFL's has been amazing.
and i'm using cfl's rather than hid's because i can add 40wtts at a time for under ten bucks as opposed to having to buy an hid for 300.00. also, lol, before you suggest it, i plan on reversing my light spectrum for flowering

[moneyshotpb]

Root rot = Reservoir temp????

[justanotherbozo]

not res temp but oxy dep, i got lazy making the move and left the plantlets in the new proto-types without an oxygen line for a few days, not very smart i know, fortunately, most survived my neglect.
shit man, they grow like WEEDS lol

[justanotherbozo]

pics 1 and 2 are of the ones that i neglected, pics 3 and 4 are the ones that had uninterrupted oxygen and the last pic is another shot of the expanding canopy, note the empty cups left by the valiant dead.

[Treetops]

Lookin good...I started out using a small storage container like that as well...from there to the Folgers coffee containers...aint stoppin now..:D..

My first Hawaiian Snow..from Green House Seeds..

Peace,
Treetops :thumbsup:

[justanotherbozo]

who knew Folgers could be so sweet, LOL

i'm not using those bins anymore either, i found some new ones for prototype #3, almost the same footprint but they hold 27 quarts.
actually 5 gallons fits comfortably with some room to spare, plus they're made of black plastic so no light leaks, plus, they're available at Lowes, which is a store like Home Depot so they're really easy to find. another plus is they come in several sizes and depths, i'm using one of the smaller ones for a bubble cloner
i'll put pics up when i get there, i don't want to get ahead of myself here

[justanotherbozo]

in looking back over the thread i realised how light on details it was so let me fill in.

i started this grow back in mid February with bagseed, 20 in all. i germinated them in pre-soaked rockwool starter cubes inside a dome and they all popped but 2, not bad at all. then, i started 10 more from the bag i had just finished, being better than average middies, of those 10, 9 popped.
so, the first and second set of pics are from mid March when i began work on prototype #2. by the first of April i was ready to begin work on prototype #3 (i think this is it).
i'm using Technaflora's BC Boost, Grow and Bloom with ThriveAlive B1 red and green as my basic nutrient mix and i follow the directions to the letter except a little on the light side.
my plan, my hope, my dream is to have a perpetual Sea Of Green in my closet. not as a commercial enterprise but just to feed my head. ultimately, once i iron out the kinks, i want to have 3 mommas from 3 different premium strains that i can take 4 cuttings from, every third week.
i don't plan on any vegging at all other than the 3 - 4 weeks it will take to get a solid root mass established, then directly to flower.
i'm using DWC throughout, with identical bins in the flower op and for the mommas, i even built a bubble cloner that is identical except half as tall. in the flower room each 5 gallon bin has 8 stations for a total of 32 stations, made to fit diy pots made from 9 oz cups, 2 colors, 2 strains. i plan on putting 4 clones a week until i get to that beautiful day when i have to take 4 out to put 4 in. also, if i can manage even 6 grams per i will be as happy as a clam cuz i don't smoke 24 grams a week now and all i get now is middies.
anyway, here's some pics of the expanding canopy from the first week of April

btw, i'm an attention junkie so all comments are appreciated

[iriebowl]

Great stuff justanotherbozo
You got a closet full of beautiful plants there. Im glad they made it through the root rot without any major problems. I too started growing from my closet only to expand to my nana cab finally, but I miss having my bedroom stink of fresh herb.

Ill be lurking around so If for any reason you need a bit of help, Ill be around. I diy all my stuff, since I like to think of myself as handy. Plus I dont have money to throw around so I have to use it wisely.

grow hard and grow smart


stay irie

[Greenthing]

Hi justanotherbozo,
I have been lurking on your Hydro experiment and thought it was time to chime in.
Its looking good' your babes look strong i recon you are doing something right.:thumbsup:

[GreenDestiny]

Wow they're so healthy and beautiful! I'm thinking that next time I get to start another DWC I'll probably end up making my own netpots like yours. But before I can gather the supplies I need I'll probably try (and fail) at a small dirt grow.

Keep up the good work, you'll have a jungle there in no time!

[justanotherbozo]

thanks for looking man, the truth is those pictures are from early April, they have grown so much since then it is amazing, especially since i'm only using CFLs. my last grow, which was my first, was in dirt and, although i got some smokeable bud, the yield was meager.
i didn't know diddley when i started and i live on a very tight budget so i had to find lighting i could afford. what i did was buy a 175wattt Mercury Vapor security light for $25.00 at walmart, it even came with the bulb. then, about 6 wks later i bought another. i won't go into all the problems i had but i shitcanned the MV lights and now i'm using CFLs and it's just amazing, the difference.
i'll be putting more pics up today so i can try to get up-to-date with it.
anyway, thanks for the feedback

bozo,
peace, love, dope

[justanotherbozo]

here are some pics of the new bins, i think these are my finalists.
anyway, the pics

1) 2 of the new bins, they have almost an identical footprint as the others except, they hold more than double the nutes.
2) covers, as you can see, almost the same size
3) another angle with the covers and a coke bottle for perspective
4) 1 done, 3 more to go
5) my neighbors kid pissing on the fence

[justanotherbozo]

hit the wrong button, heres the pics

[killa12345]

Thanks for the advice.....after you are done you should post the plans for the hydro setup....it looks great and so does ure garden....keep up the good work ill be following to watch ure progress....:thumbsup:

[justanotherbozo]

LOL, there aren't any plans, just in my head and good luck finding anything in there!
really though, the pics tell 99% of the story and the rest will be detailed as i go. i kinda feel though that the detail depth will be dependent on questions and comments i get. some of the stuff i've done seems so simple to me now that it wouldn't need to be mentioned, except that when i started i didn't know jack, i've done sooo much reading my eye-balls are permanently fuzzy feeling i think.
anyway, like i said in the thread heading, this is an experiment. i truely hope it will succeed, i think it will, but if it doesn't then i will have learned one more way not to do it! LOL wish me luck

[Opie Yutts]

Hey, nice. Looks like your plants came along nicely. I like the spirit of invention. I can only recommend one thing at this point, but it's a biggie. At least in your new experimenting, you should consider buying a big air pump and adding as many air stones as the thing can power. You've touched on this a little already, but it's the best thing you could do for your grow. You want to try and supply as much air to your roots as possible. They should stay as dry as they can without stressing the plants. Adding more air stones will most likely eliminate any problem with root rot, and your plants will grow much healthier and bigger to boot. Also consider an innoculant and microorganism booster like Subculture by General Hydro.

[Greenthing]

I used this stuff when i did a NFT grow, worked great on the roots.:)
CANNAZYM is a high-quality enzyme product. It consists of more than 12 different kinds of enzymes to which vitamins and extracts of desert plants are added. CANNAZYM speeds up the process of breaking down dead root material and activates the micro-organisms. In addition to this, CANNAZYM facilitates the improved absorption of nutrients and increases the resistance against pathogenic organisms.

[justanotherbozo]

thanks guys, hadn't thought about the enzymes and Opie, i was kinda droolin' over this big pump i saw in my local grow shop, just like the one Weedhound uses. gonna go get one on the first of the month.

[johnny5fingers]

Your doing pretty good....no real catastrophe. I concur with Opie. I use DWC and I have four 14 inch air stones in a reservoir the size of yours.
I use Hygrozyme once a week or sometimes every other week.
I bought a pondmaster ap40 pump which is a deep water pump and can really put out some air.
It pours out the bubbles in five different air stones with power to spare.
If you keep the temps down in your water as much as you can and kick up the aeration you might get by without the Hygrozme.
I put frozen water bottles without the lid off in my res, as the water melts it bleeds into the res and replenishes the res with fresh water.
Good luck and keeps us posted.

[justanotherbozo]

yeah, i know i need to up the air, and i'll definately be looking into some enzyme products. at this point though, i'm only looking for multiple rooted clones from all the plants, once i have those, i'm gonna cut the plants down so i can seperate the clones, 2 held back waiting to either become mommas or to die. 2 others from each plant will be flowered to determine sex and once i weed out the males, i can raise up one of the held back fems (i actually want a fem from each of the bagseed strains i'm working with) to become mommas that will produce 4 cuttings each, every other week. that's when i begin my SOG.
and i wonder, could you fill those bottles up with nutes instead of water?

[Weedhound]

Well I got way lost with all the different plans/ideas/jerryrigs etc in this thread but the plants sure looked healthy and happy in that last photo of them.

[justanotherbozo]

the plan has always been the same, SOG is my plan, 3 mommas and a steady sea of weed to feed my head. i was trying to show the progression toward success so far. by no means do i claim to be anything but a beginner but i thought my fumblings would at least amuse, if not enlighten.
anyway, wish me luck, i don't plan on giving up any time soon

bozo,
peace, love, dope

[Weedhound]

As long as you are happy with it...who cares? I'm just saying I got lost in one thread about cloning, holding back other plants, sexing, then growing the held back plants..........and then I was REALLY lost so I just looked at the photos.

Good luck with your grow.

[justanotherbozo]

like i said in the beginning, i'm not exactly organizized.
that's why i added the pics, to make up for my helter\skelter style of note takeing. lol
anyway, thanks for taking the time to look and comment, i can't talk about growing here (at home) so this (online) is it, so again, thanks

bozo,
peace, love, dope

[Weedhound]

Yeah I know the feeling....I can talk about it at home but not much else....it really does help to have these forums....:thumbsup:

It's funny how growing the stuff will take on a life of its own.....it already has for you I see...lol!

It's all about enjoying the experience. Good luck. :)

[justanotherbozo]

i think i find the growing of weed more relaxing and fulfilling than the smoking of weed if that makes any sense.
it's just sooo cool to start out with this little tiny seed and to raise it up into a plant that rocks your boat. i'm a disabled vet so i have plenty of time and i like to think i'm handy so i've done lots of reading and now i'm trying to apply what i've read. i've had some failures, or rather, learning experiences, but they don't discourage me. now all i need is a Dr. here in RI so i can get legal.

[Weedhound]

Being legal DOES help imo.....just one less stress to worry about....although the feds always loom.....

I agree...growing does have it's own rewards.....great weed aside at the end. Strangely...I've tried growing other things (roses, fruit...) and it just doesn't strike the same cord......hmmm.....go figure...!!

:D

[justanotherbozo]

here's some pics of the cloner i just finished
same exact footprint as my other bins, just half as tall.

and thanks again Weedhound for the feedback, it's nice to know i'm not invisible, lol

1) assembled and ready to go, room for 18 cuttings
2) the guts
3) and 4) first day in operation

i'll let you know how long it takes (i hope just a few days), theres 2 gallons inside with 12 ml's of ThriveAlive B1 Red and 2 drops of Superthrive

[Opie Yutts]

Cool cloner. Almost looks like my new one. Sorry to sound like a broken record, but you might get better results if you had about twice as many bubbles. Of course though, it's the results that count. If it does good, no worries. At first I thought you were using neoprene inserts to hold the clones, but with a closer look it looks like something else. What is it? A rolled up insulation strip, or moldy piece of sushi?

Check this out: http://boards.cannabis.com/hydroponics/141583-i-ve-got-proper-bubbles-once.html#post1855279

[justanotherbozo]

Cool cloner. Almost looks like my new one. Sorry to sound like a broken record, but you might get better results if you had about twice as many bubbles. Of course though, it's the results that count. If it does good, no worries. At first I thought you were using neoprene inserts to hold the clones, but with a closer look it looks like something else. What is it? A rolled up insulation strip, or moldy piece of sushi?

Check this out: http://boards.cannabis.com/hydroponics/141583-i-ve-got-proper-bubbles-once.html#post1855279

lol, really though, i made the holes a little bigger than i had intended but it still worked, i used pipe insulation, i bought a 4 foot length of pipe wrap and just cut it into 1 inch pieces, those wrap around the stem of a cutting nicely, holding it suspended and secure.
also, thanks for the tip about the air, actually, i plan on getting a new pump from the local hydro store next month, i'm on a very tight budget and this month i bought the makings for a scrubber.

[Weedhound]

Makes you wonder how Opie knows what moldy piece of sushi looks like.....:wtf:

[justanotherbozo]

nuff said

[GreenDestiny]

Nice cloner dude. How often will you be changing the water in it? I've read in a few threads that they prefer to change out the water in their bubble cloners about once a day, but I'd guess it would be ok to let it go a bit longer as long as it stays SUPER clean and very aerated.

Oh, and what light cycle do you keep the clones at? This thread in the FAQ was pretty interesting which concerns the photoperiods with rooting clones: http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-faqs/99457-why-should-i-turn-out-lights.html

I used to think there wasn't too much difference between the full 24 and 18/6 during cloning and veg. until I read about it just the other day.

I LOVE learning new stuff all the time! I just wish I could put it to good use already... until then I'll just stick to being a common carrier of half-assed knowledge

[justanotherbozo]

Nice cloner dude. How often will you be changing the water in it? I've read in a few threads that they prefer to change out the water in their bubble cloners about once a day, but I'd guess it would be ok to let it go a bit longer as long as it stays SUPER clean and very aerated.

Oh, and what light cycle do you keep the clones at? This thread in the FAQ was pretty interesting which concerns the photoperiods with rooting clones: http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-faqs/99457-why-should-i-turn-out-lights.html

I used to think there wasn't too much difference between the full 24 and 18/6 during cloning and veg. until I read about it just the other day.

I LOVE learning new stuff all the time! I just wish I could put it to good use already... until then I'll just stick to being a common carrier of half-assed knowledge

thanks man, i hope it works as good as it looks, LOL. as far as changing the res water, i hadn't really thought about it, probably, i'll stick a batch of clones in there, then, when rooted (hopefully within 7 - 10 days), i'll transplant them, dump the res and start over.
and thanks for the link, i hadn't thought about THAT either, LOL.
right now the cloner is in the doorway of my closet getting indirect light 24\0, i guess i'll have to figure a way to put it in the dark while i sleep. lol, and thanks for bein' a carrier.

bozo,
peace, love, dope

[GreenDestiny]

how's the "experimenting" coming along?

[justanotherbozo]

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and thanks for asking. things have been progressing nicely, my new cloner is working like a dream, i wish i had had it a month and a half ago, i'd have some buds half way to harvest by now, LOL.
it's been 1 week since i built the cloner and put it into service. i took 18 cuttings from 3 plants, 6 cuttings each, then i cut the parents down, of the 18 cuttings, 15 have rooted very well, the other 3 don't look so good, 1 definately is a no-go, the other 2 might root still.
anyway, i now have rooted clones from almost all my original plants so, this weekend i think, i will begin flowering clones from each and sexing them, once that's done, i can select 2 vigorous mommas and begin filling my Sea Of Green, 4 clones a week.
heres a couple pics of the roots in the cloner, kinda fuzzy but still easy to see

bozo,
peace, love, dope

[Greenthing]

Looking good in there :)

[justanotherbozo]

it's nice to know i'm not invisible.
i actually started posting so i could get some feedback, so i wouldn't feel so alone and isolated. it's really nice having someone actually looking. thanks man

bozo,
peace, love, dope

[Weedhound]

If you want to know if you are invisible look at the number of views to your post......are you there? (just kidding....:D) i'm always surprised when someone will post on one of my threads seemingly out of the blue only to discover they've been reading and following along the whole time.....people often won't say anything unless they want to point something BAD out to you....so less posts can be a good thing.

Ps....want a friend?......be a friend.......;)

PSS...EXCELLENT roots on those cuttings by the way....top job! :thumbsup:

[Greenthing]

it's nice to know i'm not invisible.
i actually started posting so i could get some feedback, so i wouldn't feel so alone and isolated. it's really nice having someone actually looking. thanks man

bozo,
peace, love, dope
No way invisible, i am always reading your posts but i dont always have time to reply, got to look after my own garden only two weeks to go. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[justanotherbozo]

If you want to know if you are invisible look at the number of views to your post......are you there? (just kidding....:D) i'm always surprised when someone will post on one of my threads seemingly out of the blue only to discover they've been reading and following along the whole time.....people often won't say anything unless they want to point something BAD out to you....so less posts can be a good thing.

Ps....want a friend?......be a friend.......;)

PSS...EXCELLENT roots on those cuttings by the way....top job! :thumbsup:

thanks to everyone that is following along silently.
Weedhound, thanks for the encouragement and i've already been on the end of a poison pen or two. i know i have a knack for pissing people off, i've been told i'm a little arrogant, that's why i chose my name, to help me remain humble.
oh, and i try to be a friend to everyone, especially the other newbies like me, i just get a little testy when i see people asking questions that are so simple that you KNOW they haven't bothered to read ANYTHING.
anyway, thanks and i love my new cloner !!! i start flowering for sex this weekend!! i can't wait!

bozo,
peace, love, dope

[justanotherbozo]

No way invisible, i am always reading your posts but i dont always have time to reply, got to look after my own garden only two weeks to go. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
thanks man, i appreciate your feedback. i guess, because this is all still so new to me, i need all the encouragement i can get. LOL, i guess i need someone to hold my hand a little, kinda like a kid looking for approval from all the BIG people!

bozo,
peace, love, dope

[iriebowl]

good work on the cloner. I made a bubbler cloner before but I guess my water temps are to high here to get roots. I only ended up with one rooting, and its now in my DWC bucket slowly growing.

and since you always give me comments in my thread, the least I can do is return the favor. although I am another silent type I dont mind encouraging others every once in a while. Keep it up

[justanotherbozo]

good work on the cloner. I made a bubbler cloner before but I guess my water temps are to high here to get roots. I only ended up with one rooting, and its now in my DWC bucket slowly growing.

and since you always give me comments in my thread, the least I can do is return the favor. although I am another silent type I dont mind encouraging others every once in a while. Keep it up

btw, maybe it wasn't the temp that kept them from rooting. what were you using for a solution? myself, i'm using 10ml of ThriveAlive red and 2 drops of Superthrive in 2 gallons of water. also, if your temps are too high, try freezing some water in 16oz plastic bottles, then just put them in your res, you can even leave them open to defrost and blend into the res.
anyway, thanks again for the feedback

bozo,
peace, love, dope

[GreenDestiny]

heheh, hopefully chilling the water for rooting clones won't be needed, the water temp is supposed to be a tiny bit warm until roots have started to come out.

[Opie Yutts]

Careful with too much warmth though, it'll up the chances of mold greatly. I just bought a little heater for my cloner that automatically keeps the water at 78, which is just perfect for a cloner reservoir. Don't forget there are also aquarium chillers. Try to keep the clones and the reservoir between 76 and 80 for best results.

[iriebowl]

Careful with too much warmth though, it'll up the chances of mold greatly. I just bought a little heater for my cloner that automatically keeps the water at 78, which is just perfect for a cloner reservoir. Don't forget there are also aquarium chillers. Try to keep the clones and the reservoir between 76 and 80 for best results.

I thought I needed the temps to be 68-70 degrees?? My water now is at 76 and is never higher than 80. I dont have any mold/mildew or fungus growing, but every once in a while the roots brown a lil. Using 3 tsp. grow big to every gallon of water.

gonna try the frozen bottle trick and hope it works out.


stay irie

[Weedhound]

Opie's right....clones you want a little higher then larger plants with water temp.

Opie...did you buy that little heater at Foster and Smith? I use those automatic ones for my aquarium and love them. :thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

Bozo i like the dip and grow for a rooting thing that Stinky talks about and i've definitely had the best luck with that.

Opie mentioned something about the rooting "gels" sort of sealing out the moisture in the cut end and I think so too. The dip and grow is water based and soaks right into your cutting. You may want to try it for your clones.

[justanotherbozo]

thank you all for your encouragement and comments, criticisms too.
the truth is Weed, i'm not using ANY rooting hormones although i have a jar of Rootech gel that i used when i was rooting in rockwool starter cubes.
and i know it's too soon to tell yet but the new cloner i built has been doing awesome, got 17 of 18 rooted with the first run! cloner has a 2 gal res into which i put 10ml of ThriveAlive red and 2 drops of Superthrive. i also got some Hygrozyme (thanks for the tip Opie) and i'm adding about 2ml of that too.
i'd welcome any advice on the Hygrozyme and it's usage.
it looks like i'll finally be able to start to flower for sex within a week.
could use some advice regarding strains and seedbanks, i want to spend some of my 'economic stimulus' money on some quality genetics for my next grow. i figure it's poetic that the federal gov will be financing my meds for the future. LOL

anyway, i'm rambling so, toke amongst yourselves

bozo,
peace, love, dope

[killa12345]

Man.....I think the cloner and the babies look great..its not what they are made of but how they work.....right? ...thanks a lot for stopping by.....everything looks great...
Killa12345

[justanotherbozo]

Man.....I think the cloner and the babies look great..its not what they are made of but how they work.....right? ...thanks a lot for stopping by.....everything looks great...
Killa12345
the key is to understand the principles, then you just apply the principles using whatever raw materials come to hand. LOL, ghetto engineering.
i think i'm at that place where i understand well enough to be dangerous, LOL

anyway, i hope to begin flowering for sex within the week so look for some pics of my DIY air scrubber as soon as i get a door set in place (lol, gonna use cardboard and velcro)

bozo,
peace, love, dope

[GreenDestiny]

Velcro! yeah that's the stuff I always forget about. I just gotta remember it for when I can get around to building a little stealth cardboard growbox.

and holy crap I never noticed Opie's signature until just now!

[justanotherbozo]

well, i'm almost at that day when i can begin sexing my plants and i can't wait. i now have 6 with multiple clones and 4 more in the process of root development (lol, i hope)

here are some pics of my new lights (lol, i bought them a month ago, just now installing them cause i didn't need them. i bought them to flower with).

i figure, with 8x40watts (6x2700K and 2x6500K) that gives me 320watts over 2 bins, i hope that will do the job, lol

check out the price of those fixtures! i got them at a local discount builders supply that sells a lot of close-outs and over-stocks.

that's 2 fixtures for less than $10.00 plus 8 splitters that i think i paid $1.50 each at Walmart!

that breaks down to approx. $11.00 per fixture. way cheaper than adding clamp lights, one at a time and for anywhere from $5.00 to $10.00 each. the clamp lights i already have (i have 6) i'll use for mommas and supplimental side lighting.


anyway, toke amongst yourselves

bozo,
peace, love, dope

[iriebowl]

I could never find those fixtures locally and at that price I would have bought a ton of them. Cover the entire ceiling of my cab with those fixtures and just run cfls instead of HPS. As long as you got 50+watts per square foot to flower you will be all good, but I like to use 60+watts for cfls.

Good luck with the sexing, hope you get all girls.

any new plant pics?


stay irie

[justanotherbozo]

and here's a few more pics for ya, although i must say, until i start flowering (hopefully within a week), there won't be much new to show.

anyway, the pics

1) if you look close, in the back you can see some of the remaining donor plants (they've since been chopped to make room), if you look really close, you can see how badly neglegted they look (i killed 7 donors with my neglect)
in front on top of the beer box is my cloner (17 of 18 rooted in the first run, i wish i had built one sooner) and to the left is one of the regular bins being used as a cloner (fortunately, they seem to be working ok).

2) another shot of the cloner with some of the rooted clones removed and transplanted

3) my new airpump, dual diaphragm, supposed to have enough power to aerate 16 water farms.

pics 3, 4 and 5 also show that all the donors are gone now. they also show how i'm planning to position things for flowering which will become more apparent within the next week, hopefully

anyway, toke amongst yourselves

bozo,
peace, love, dope

[justanotherbozo]

to admit that, if LEO wants ya, a disclaimer aint gonna save ya


Velcro! yeah that's the stuff I always forget about. I just gotta remember it for when I can get around to building a little stealth cardboard growbox.

and holy crap I never noticed Opie's signature until just now!



anyway, toke amongst yourselves

bozo,
peace, love, dope

[Greenthing]

Nice photo's all is looking good, but the proof in the pudding so good luck man.;)

[justanotherbozo]

and you're right, the proof is in the pudding.

God willing and the creek don't rise, i'll be makin' some puddin' come this time next week. LOL

bozo,
peace, love, dope

[Greenthing]

Hope its nice sticky pudding. :thumbsup:

[justanotherbozo]

:S5: if only my baby's were from a better gene pool!


bozo,
peace, love, dope

[Greenthing]

[quote=justanotherbozo]:S5: if only my baby's were from a better gene pool!
Time will tell how good they are give them a lot of C & A and they will reward you.;)

[Weedhound]

I've probably asked this several times but what strain are they? :stoned:

[justanotherbozo]

sadly, thier lineage is unknown, just 2 different strains of bagbeans

[Weedhound]

Well their lineage doesn't matter as long as they're there for you at the end..;)

[justanotherbozo]

and it isn't a total unknown, my first grow was with one of these strains and it was better than what i've been buying.
i have to say that i really enjoyed growing it too.
thanks for stopping in and giving me some feedback WH, i really appreciate it!

[italian04]

just a question....how often do you change out the water?? or how long do the nutrients actually last in the water?? we actually have the same setup. we only have 4 plants with 2 60watt and 1 40watt.

[iamgrowerman]

I love watching the CFL grows.

Good luck to ya on your harvest, I can't wait to see how you do.

I read about a guy who's using some of the really big CFLs - have you thought of that for your grow?

[justanotherbozo]

just a question....how often do you change out the water?? or how long do the nutrients actually last in the water?? we actually have the same setup. we only have 4 plants with 2 60watt and 1 40watt.


you should check the FAQ's and thread's in the hydroponics section, and check with ClosetDWC, his name alone should tell you he know's about these set-ups.

the thing with me is, even though things have been going really well, everything i'm doing is for the first time, i really am a newbie myself.

with my limited experience, i would suggest you change your res at a minimum of every 2 weeks. obviously, the more often you change your res, the more nutes you will go through but, by doing so you reduce your risk for problems. nutrient lock-out in particular is something that can be prevented in large part by regularly changing your res.

good luck with your own grow, you should start a log for people to view, then, if you have problems, people can more readily help you.

that being said, bake on

[justanotherbozo]

I love watching the CFL grows.

Good luck to ya on your harvest, I can't wait to see how you do.

I read about a guy who's using some of the really big CFLs - have you thought of that for your grow?


i'm using smaller CFL's (mostly 40 watters) partly because they're so much easier to find, they're way cheaper than the big ones and, maybe more importantly, the smaller bulbs allow much more flexibility when it comes to tweaking your light spectrums.
for example, a 200 watt, 6500Kelvin bulb will never be anything but 200 watts of 6500K light. on the other hand, 5 x 40 watt bulbs can be split between spectrums so you can add some reds as well.
anyway, that's my reasoning, whether it makes an appreciable difference in yield remains to be seen. lol

so, toke amongst your selves

[iamgrowerman]

That's a really good point. I'll have to remember to point that out to him the next time he's bragging about how big and bright his lights are.

You say you use 40w CFLs - I'm assuming you mean 40w actual, with a 100+ equivalency? A 26-27w CFL is supposed to be a 100w equivalent, so I'd guess a 40w would be about 150w equivalent?


Has anyone done any kind of comparison between the lumen output of, say, 5 100w equivalent CFLs versus one 500w equivalent? Does one option make more heat than the other?

I'm tempted to try a little side-by-side but there's no point in reinventing the wheel if someone else already has. (Or spending a bunch of money on it.)

[justanotherbozo]

That's a really good point. I'll have to remember to point that out to him the next time he's bragging about how big and bright his lights are.

You say you use 40w CFLs - I'm assuming you mean 40w actual, with a 100+ equivalency? A 26-27w CFL is supposed to be a 100w equivalent, so I'd guess a 40w would be about 150w equivalent?


Has anyone done any kind of comparison between the lumen output of, say, 5 100w equivalent CFLs versus one 500w equivalent? Does one option make more heat than the other?

I'm tempted to try a little side-by-side but there's no point in reinventing the wheel if someone else already has. (Or spending a bunch of money on it.)


that's all bullshit, look at the actuall wattages when you buy, and some bulbs don't specify the spectrums, if you can't tell, leave them in the store.

and yeah, the 40's are equal to 150's, really though, forget that bullshit, it's just marketing hype.

another thing for you to consider is that, in truth, CFL's will produce more heat than an HID, watt for watt, the difference is that with HID's, all the heat comes from one source only, with CFL's there are many sources so the heat is spread out more.

what would be cool to test is a comparison between 10x40watt CFL's against 1x400watt HPS. the results of that test would really have some value.

anyway, toke amongst yourselves

[justanotherbozo]

so far, my new bubble cloner has worked like a dream. in my first run i got 17 rooted clones out of 18 cuttings, yipee! LOL (and all starting showing roots within 8 days!)

anyway, now i have to transplant my rooted cuttings and i thought i'd take some pics to document and post for the other newbies.
first i potted some in dirt for a friend which is pretty simple, just be gentle.

so, bake on (after you pot your clones)

[justanotherbozo]

like i said, potting into dirt is pretty simple, just be gentle and remember not to leave too much space between the level of the dirt and the rim of your pots, you don't want a lot of dead, stagnant air pooling around the base of your plants.

the pots are from my first grow (2 liter coke bottles, not big enough for mommas but fine for clones that only resided in them for 10 weeks and 15 of them fit into one of my underbed bins {post #1, pic #2})

[the image reaper]

Nice work :thumbsup: great pics, too :thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

It IS nice work....I agree with Reaper. Good job bozo. :thumbsup:

[justanotherbozo]

now for the hydro growers, something i learned from StinkyAttic, all props to her!

LOL, if i don't get this right, it's me, not what Stinky taught

anyway, if your growing in hydroton, hygromite or river rock, you need to be extra gentle with your roots so put your medium into a tub filled with ph balanced solution (just 4ml ThriveAliveB1 red and a drop of SuperThrive for a gallon of water)(the hydroton in particular needs to be pre-cleaned and pre-soaked before use)

now, put your net pots into the solution, add some medium and then add your roots.
now, gently back-fill into your pot.
pretty simple really

and now for the bake

[hudson88]

Hey bozo,

Looking great!
You dropped by my grow a couple weeks ago i think when i'd just taken some cuttings and told me about you're cloner. I took a quick look then but now i'm gonna try and build one myself and have re-read your thread. I'm gonna go looking for supplies this afternoon.

Everything seems pretty straight forward and you've explained everything well but i've just got one question. What level do you have your resevoir filled to? I was thinking an inch or two lower than the bottom of the cutting so that the bubbles mist the stem, is that right?
Oh and another thing, I have much better success when i put my clones in a humidity dome, (the old way just in rooting cubes in a propagator) do you think I should try to build my cloner with one or isn't it needed as they get a constant misting effect to the roots? I've not seen a dome on yours so i assume you dont bother with one. But did you use a dome before and decide you didnt need one on the bubble cloner?

Thanks

Good luck, can't wait to see them flowering ;)

[justanotherbozo]

Hey bozo,

Looking great!
You dropped by my grow a couple weeks ago i think when i'd just taken some cuttings and told me about you're cloner. I took a quick look then but now i'm gonna try and build one myself and have re-read your thread. I'm gonna go looking for supplies this afternoon.

if there's a Lowes near you the bins i use are black and they're called 'Stor-It-All Pro', there are several sizes, my cloner is the smallest one they make.



Everything seems pretty straight forward and you've explained everything well but i've just got one question. What level do you have your resevoir filled to? I was thinking an inch or two lower than the bottom of the cutting so that the bubbles mist the stem, is that right?


you got it, the solution has to be high enough so the stems get splashed (constantly,lol)
(i use approx 3ml of ThriveAlive B1 Red and 1 drop of Superthrive per gallon, the bin holds 2 gallons)



Oh and another thing, I have much better success when i put my clones in a humidity dome, (the old way just in rooting cubes in a propagator) do you think I should try to build my cloner with one or isn't it needed as they get a constant misting effect to the roots? I've not seen a dome on yours so i assume you dont bother with one. But did you use a dome before and decide you didnt need one on the bubble cloner?

Thanks

Good luck, can't wait to see them flowering ;)

i do have a dome but haven't had to use it for the new cloner, my cuttings started showing roots in just a few days and by 8 or 9 days, 17 of 18 had roots (i believe i transplanted after 12 days)

[justanotherbozo]

the last 3 are right but the first couple don't belong so here are the right ones

so, look at these, then go to post #83, disregarding the first 2 pics (obviously dirt)

[hudson88]

Hey bozo,

I'm in the uk and don't have a lowes around, I found a box just the right size but when I got it home discovered it leaked lol but only after i'd spent about an hour cutting holes out of the lid (jeez that plastic was thick) :mad: It's ok tho I went back and found a better one that cost about $9. (the lid was much thinner and easier to cut :D) Got my pump for $12, line and airstone for $4, net pots $1 for a grand total of $26, not bad eh!

Decided to use net pots and clay pebbles rather than drop the root directly in the res, although I plan to get another lid and try it the other way too, i'm sure it will be better as the stem will be getting sprayed directly, I was just in a bit of a rush to get this done before I go away and I was already going to the hydro shop so got the pots while I was there.

I asked the guy at the hydro store about superthrive but they don't stock it, he recommended some stuff called "FORMULEX" so I hope that does the job.

Yeah that makes sense that you haven't needed the dome as they root so fast, i'll see how they get on i'm sure i can find something suitable pretty quickly should they need a dome.

Thanks for your advice and showing me how easy it is to make your own bubble cloner :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Oh and I plan to put a skirt around the side of it so roots are not exposed to any light.

Here's a couple of pics!

[justanotherbozo]

and a quick and easy skirt might be to just spray paint the outside of the bin. (get the kind for model cars, i think it will hold better as it's made to paint plastic)

on another note, i tried rooting clones in net pots with hydroton around the stems and all i got was dead cuttings, i think you will have much better success if you just dangle the stems above the solution so they get splashed constantly by bubbles.

here's a couple of pics of something you can do to make it work
i had more cuttings than would fit into the cloner so i had to improvise, using 2 of my DWC's as cloners, except that the holes were too big. what i did was to cut out the bottoms of some plastic cups, then i got a pool noodle and sliced off some 1 inch thick pieces to use as inserts, the noodle already had a hole running through it so all i had to do was slice it to allow for easy removal of the rooted cutting

[Opie Yutts]

Nice job. Looking good.

[hudson88]

Yeah I thought it would be better to have the stems dangling but figured it would still be ok in hydroton, thanks for the heads up bozo, I'll have to have a think, maybe if I just put a top with a small hole on the net pots it will work till i've some time to sort it properly or a bit of styrofoam ( i think thats what its called, the white stuff they use for packing), yeah i'm sure i can get that to work, thanks again bozo.

[justanotherbozo]

Yeah I thought it would be better to have the stems dangling but figured it would still be ok in hydroton, thanks for the heads up bozo, I'll have to have a think, maybe if I just put a top with a small hole on the net pots it will work till i've some time to sort it properly or a bit of styrofoam ( i think thats what its called, the white stuff they use for packing), yeah i'm sure i can get that to work, thanks again bozo.

and you can get it in sheets at a home center or a lumber yard or a builders supply. you might even be able to just get some styrofoam or plastic cups that fit in the holes you made in your top, then just cut the bottoms out.

anyway, good luck, and you're very welcome

and thanks for stopping by Opie

[Hydroponic Cabbage]

Just read your thread, and I must say nice looking setup. I love your cloner; I was gonna try clonning this time around but I'm about to move soon after harvest and didn't want to try to transport plants. But I'm gonna start right back and I see your cloner comming in very handy. Keep up the good work :thumbsup:

[psykospun]

pics 1 and 2 are of the ones that i neglected, pics 3 and 4 are the ones that had uninterrupted oxygen and the last pic is another shot of the expanding canopy, note the empty cups left by the valiant dead.

I had just noticed that in the last picture of this quote you have a green cfl bulb. did you receive your $5,000 gift card? thats killer', thought id just point it out.
:joint1:

[iriebowl]

so how are the babies doing? Hope theyre doing well.
Did you get to sex out your plants and start culling the males and bad ones?


stay irie

[justanotherbozo]

so how are the babies doing? Hope theyre doing well.
Did you get to sex out your plants and start culling the males and bad ones?


stay irie


lol, yes and no.

like you, i suffered some set-backs at home which necessitated my chopping most of my babies. my daughter and i haven't been getting along and she found out about my grow and made some threats.

so, rather than risk her doing something out of youthful angst and stupidity, i convinced her i had chopped it all down. (20 years from now i don't want her feeling guilty for ratting her dad out, this way, she can't, and i've since sent her to stay with my son's God-parents for the summer.

what i had at the time was some rooted cuttings, my plants and 6 extra cuttings i'd potted up into dirt that i intended for a friend.

when i decided to chop, i potted the rooted cuttings into a DWC bin and put them into another location along with those i had in dirt
then i chopped the plants, taking multiple cuttings from each (it left me with 6 donor plants)

since then, i flipped the six in dirt (there were 3 of my donors and 1 unlabeled) and found 2 fems, lol, unfortunately, one of them was the un-labeled one so i have one new momma, with 6 cuttings rooting and almost ready to enter the flowering phase, plus, i put cuttings from 2 of the remaining 3 donors in dirt and under 12\12 yesterday, hopefully, i get one more fem (from the other strain)
(actually, i'm pretty certain i will 'cause the un-labeled fem is definately different from the other one)

anyway, i'm hoping the state doesn't decide to take my economic stimulus check like they did my drivers license (for non payment of child support even though the kids have been in my custody for 6 years now) so i can get a new camera and some good seeds.

if not, then, on the first of the month i'm gonna start my flowering log anyway, by then i'll have enough confirmed fems to start production of my SOG, hopefully, i have a workable plan to carry into the future.

LOL, wish me luck dude!

[GreenDestiny]

It's not so fun playing executioner to your green children when their secrecy is at stake! Glad you were able to smuggle some of them away from the chopping block. At least they weren't super strains... oh yeah, did you ever narrow your choices down to what you want to order?
I constantly obsess over the ones I want to order and grow... Blueberry and Sensi Star

[leebud]

just took a look at your imaginary garden fuckin hell im amazed look like somethin out of starwars mate ive now realise ive a shitload to learn greattttttttttt pics tho

[justanotherbozo]

just took a look at your imaginary garden fuckin hell im amazed look like somethin out of starwars mate ive now realise ive a shitload to learn greattttttttttt pics tho


thanks man, and don't be intimidated.
while i agree there's a shitload to learn, you don't have to wait until you're an expert to get started.

you're luckier than many, myself included, in that you have that haze plant to work with.

[McDanger]

Can you post a pic of the bubblecloner tank, with the air pump running? I want to see how your bubbles look.

Thanks:rastasmoke:

[McDanger]

Sorry to hear about the destruction you had to do.:(

[justanotherbozo]

Can you post a pic of the bubblecloner tank, with the air pump running? I want to see how your bubbles look.

Thanks:rastasmoke:

hi guy, heres a link that covers the cloner from beginning to end

cheap easy diy cloner (http://boards.cannabis.com/hydroponics/157397-cheap-easy-diy-cloner-what-do-results.html)

[SnSstealth]

update?...
whiskeytango

[bickeybammer]

updatE dude?

[ForgetClassC]

Alight bozo, I need some info. You have been pretty much the inspiration of my grow boxes so far, but now I too want to move to hydro. Can you just list the things(no matter how unimportant) you used to produce this box of grow? That would be awesome, thanks.



-C

[justanotherbozo]

Alight bozo, I need some info. You have been pretty much the inspiration of my grow boxes so far, but now I too want to move to hydro. Can you just list the things(no matter how unimportant) you used to produce this box of grow? That would be awesome, thanks.



-C

lol, you're not gonna like my answer my friend but the answers you want are
already here, that's what the thread is, a detailed account of my sojourn into
hydro.

so if you read through the thread from the beginning, you'll see everything i
did, everything i did it with and where i got everything to do it to and with.

lol, keep in mind that i'm very definitely NOT a hydro expert, hell, i'm no expert
of any kind. plus, i'm not growing in hydro any more since i discovered the
awesome work being done by DrBudGreenGenes, his approach was and is
perfect for me.

anyway, i liked the DWC method very much and, if i had more room, i'd almost
certainly go back to it, at least periodically.

also, sadly, i didn't really document the end very carefully. actually, once i made
the decision to go back into the dirt i got so focused on creating a reliable
SOG, i kinda just let the hydro just finish.

hang on and i'll see if i can find some pics of some of the buddage.

[justanotherbozo]

i see i really did kinda leave things hangin'. sorry about that.

anyway, here are some pics of the buds i've been growing since my last update.

keep in mind also that i'm back in dirt now so most of these buds were grown in
dirt and under nothing but CFL's, although i did pick up a pair of 150watt HPS's
and i've replaced one of my CFL fixtures with one of the 150's just 'cause i had
it, lol.

anywho, lol.

1) in this shot you can see i'm still in the DWC's. i loved the growth they give.

2) back in the dirt and with one 150 installed.

3) 6 clones about a week in, note the one in back that stretched.

4) Legends High End (the top of that one that stretched)

5) Road Kill Skunk

[dickdasterdly66]

heyyy bozo, just noticed that there is a link under ur pic to ur grow LOL, :rastasmoke:.
anywayz i know this is an old thread, tho i read it and its great, iv been inspired in many ways from u, and im going to build a cloner next month as i dont really need it now, n more importantly cant afford it :D. lol.
same time after reading the sog harvest every 2 weeks that i sent u the link to a couple of times, {its around 170 pages n it tooook a longgggg time lool}, and as well after reading the sog thread u posted to me a couple of days ago, iv made my mind up on the plan n now im just waiting for my papaya/wonderwoman/white widow to arrive and im gona start.
ill keep u updated along the way n hopefully ill have better luck next.

great grow, n i found alot of info in there that my brain needed :D.

thx alot :thumbsup:

[justanotherbozo]

heyyy bozo, just noticed that there is a link under ur pic to ur grow LOL, :rastasmoke:.
anywayz i know this is an old thread, tho i read it and its great, iv been inspired in many ways from u, and im going to build a cloner next month as i dont really need it now, n more importantly cant afford it :D. lol.
same time after reading the sog harvest every 2 weeks that i sent u the link to a couple of times, {its around 170 pages n it tooook a longgggg time lool}, and as well after reading the sog thread u posted to me a couple of days ago, iv made my mind up on the plan n now im just waiting for my papaya/wonderwoman/white widow to arrive and im gona start.
ill keep u updated along the way n hopefully ill have better luck next.

great grow, n i found alot of info in there that my brain needed :D.

thx alot :thumbsup:


you're more than welcome man, that's what it's all about!

anyway, before you build the bubbler, especially as you're on a budget, you
should take a look at this, it works really well and it's cheap as hell.

World class cloner new at walmart - International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums (http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=42847)

[dickdasterdly66]

damn i wish, im in the uk tho so no wallmart shmallmart :(.

thats why i thought ur one is pretty good and since uv explained it i thought it wouldnt be that hard, im only on a budget till the end of the month lol, then i should be kool :D. lol..

i dont understand why we dont have wallmart here in the uk yet... mmmm,.:stoned:

[justanotherbozo]

damn i wish, im in the uk tho so no wallmart shmallmart :(.

thats why i thought ur one is pretty good and since uv explained it i thought it wouldnt be that hard, im only on a budget till the end of the month lol, then i should be kool :D. lol..

i dont understand why we dont have wallmart here in the uk yet... mmmm,.:stoned:


well, you might be able to find one of these at a department store but that
bubbler only costs about $25.00 USD to build so it's pretty cheap too, and
it also works really well.

good luck!

[dickdasterdly66]

ill have a look if i can find one somewhere,
n btw i forgot to ask, since uv grow papaya b4, do u recomend i do it as my main sog or wonder woman since they both have almost the same time???
thx

[daileyviper]

i think your experiment worked very well. I have always grown in soil but i am going to chang that now. Have some purple kush seeds that im going to try in a set up like you have. Ill post pics when i start.