Nuteless grow

[JaySin]

Since I was unable to find any of the preferred nutes and soils around my area, I started with Miracle grow and just watered with tap water that would sit overnight to match room temp.

So far they have been doing pretty good. I've had some leaves brown and wither, but that may be mostly because my velcro light setup would un-stick itself from the wall of my cabinet and fall onto, touch or get very close to the plants.

I would say the leaves are all a very healthy green color and out of the 8 plants I started with, it appears that I have three females. I took out my last two males today. I know that two of the three are females for sure, but the last one is slow on the flowering. I'm just over two weeks of flowering after a 6 weeks of veg.

I'm sure I will not get a huge yield, but this was just to experiment to see how well these things will do in my cabinet with how I have it set up. That and just to get me some bud as soon as possible. Now that I've started flowering I will probably order some seeds and get some good soil and nutes.

Is there anyone else out there that has done a nuteless grow? What were your results?

I'm hoping I get at least enough to last me through the next grow. That will be plenty to keep me happy with my first grow.

[JaySin]

Apparently no one has tried this other then me?

[stinkyattic]

I'm sure people have tried it but you will see that once you go into flower mode, and those plants get HUNGRY, you will need to start feeding or risk losing your crop. Even crappy houseplant nutes and some bone meal mixed into the soil for the final transplant are better than nothing.

[JaySin]

From what I've read people put nutes in there water that they water with every day. Although with the plant ferts I've seen at wal-mart they say to add once every 7-14 days. Is this because it is a different type?

I was going to buy the stuff but want to make sure I'm going to help my plants instead of just torture them. So far after a little over two weeks of flowering the buds are doing pretty good. Can't wait to harvest. :D

[spongebobsmokepants]

You will yield a modest amount, but you can get by without adding nutes. I have had plants go through their whole grow cycle without any nutes besides what miracle puts in the soil. I have seen good results by adding 2tbsp of unsulphured molasses per gallon of water. It supplies sugars and trace nutrients that a plant craves.
good luck on your grow!:smokin:

[JaySin]

Is unsulphured molasses available at the grocery store then? I will probably at least do molasses if nothing else.

[stinkyattic]

You need nutes. Molasses won't help if the plants are starving.

[JaySin]

Well tomorrow I actually get off early. I think I know where a garden shop is in town here. I'll try to run up there and see what I can find. Hopefully I can get what I need for my the rest of this grow and my entire next grow.

I might just end up ordering nutes off the internet. Although that still leaves me with what kind of soil to go with. I guess I will go with miracle grow organic if I can't find anything else.

[Revanche21]

Can you grow a human without any food?

[daihashi]

Can you grow a human without any food?

I wish you could. I'd have an army.

[JaySin]

I'm still curious about the nutes that say to use every 7 to 14 days. Is this how often everyone uses nutes, cause from what I've read it sounds like people use them every day when they water.

I went to some local garden shops and found nothing of value. Just the same type of nutes and potting soil. Unless I find another garden store I'll be ordering nutes online and buying some Miracle grow organic.

Revanche, it's not like there isn't nutes in the soil already. Supposedly it's a 6 month release soil, so I would think there are nutes being released at all times. Although, I opened this thread to see what would be of my plants best interests. So far you are just wasting space.

Thank you stinkyattic, I've looked up stuff on nutes a lot. It's just that I can't find squat in this town. At least not what everyone else suggests using. So I'm very hesitant with what I should get considering it looks like walmart, menards, and lowes are my only options. Home Depot is closing already, they've barely been open for a year.

[texas grass]

I'm still curious about the nutes that say to use every 7 to 14 days. Is this how often everyone uses nutes, cause from what I've read it sounds like people use them every day when they water.


Revanche, it's not like there isn't nutes in the soil already. Supposedly it's a 6 month release soil, so I would think there are nutes being released at all times. Although, I opened this thread to see what would be of my plants best interests. So far you are just wasting space.


everyones nute schedule is different because people use different mediums and have different plants. on average you feed 1 maybe 2 times a week depending on all variables(medium, plants, cycle their in, ect) and plain/ph'd water the rest of the time

the bad thing about 6 month release "quick release/time release" is if you try to feed liquid ferts and the soil feeds at the exact same time you have a very high chance to burn your plants. i recommend not using a time release medium

any way you go it should be ok, just watch out for how strong it is

[JaySin]

Well I went out and got some water soluble Miracle Gro bloom booster. I'll probably feed at half the recommended dose and see what happens from there.

I found some superthrive but was unable to buy it because apparently it is on some sort of recall? That's the first time I've seen it anywhere, so it kind of sucks that I wasn't even able to buy it. I'll go back again before Home Depot closes for good and see if they still have any. Then if they do I'll try buying it again.

I also got some root hormones for later when I decide to take a stab at cloning. For now I'll probably just be doing grows from seeds. At least until I get everything down to where I know pretty good as to what I'm doing.

As far as the time release goes, I'll probably not be using it again. It was pretty much an experimental thing since I didn't really know what I was doing. I'll be concocting my own soil for my next grow. Still have to decide for sure on what soil to get though.

[Revanche21]

sorry about my sad attempt at humor.
and wasting limitless space on the interweb. (another attempt at humor?)

Nuteless = No Nutrients

My reply seems pretty straight forward :)

Soil on the other hand, like you said, has nutrients.

Now, to attempt to be helpful...

My very first grow, I used regular soil I found at Home Depot, was just some basic potting soil, yield was meager due to soil, no nutrients besides coffee grounds, and the fact that I used 7 12 watt CFL's. throughout the grow

[JaySin]

Not sayin that humor isn't allowed, I'm just trying to get some real answers on what to do. I hate it when I do a search and only find threads that are full of BS and the original topic is barely covered. Really makes it hard to find what I need. So I guess I'm just trying to say that if you want some humor in a thread like this, at least mix it with a little info.

Thanks :)

I'm using 6 100 watt equivelant CFLs right now. (not sure what a 12 watt CFL is). I'm in flower stage so I have four of them as soft white and two daylight. My next grow will probably utilize at least two more CFLs. I had a temperature spike of 88 according to my themometer, so I'll probably have to work on ventilation in between grows as well.

Thanks for everyones help. It's so tempting to just pluck a bud and smoke it. I can wait though. :D

[SimonMakus]

I though Rev's comment was actually really funny and relevant. I'm also not sure why you brushed off Stinky's comments. She's extremely knowledgeable you'd do well to listen.

As for your lack of opportunity, you said you have Lowe's. Go buy a $2 bag of composted cow manure and humus. Then get a bag of perlite, some bone meal, and some blood meal. Google some organic soil mixes and follow the recipe that fits you best. You don't have to grow with chemical ferts, ya know.

While you're there, get some more lights. ~135 watts of CFL is not going to finish 3 plants well.

[JaySin]

I've never brushed off Stinky's comments. I've been here a while already, and I know she has a lot of good info. Which is why I do have nutrients to add now.

I know I don't need to use chemicals, which is why I'm asking for advice. Thanks for the soil info, I'll definitely be doing that for my next grow. Although, that still leaves me with nutrients that need to be added later on. Which for now, are going to be miracle gro nutrients until I find something organic. Although if these work well, I'll probably continue to use them at least until they are gone.

[SimonMakus]

International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums - "Water only" soil mixes.... (http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=88967)

[JaySin]

Nice, thanks for the link.

[PlantHeadJ]

Ok so you have two choices. One, do exactly what was said above about soil mixing, Home D has all those things. Two you can order some Botanicare Pure Blend Pro Grow and Bloom. (Bloom comes in a soil formula).Check EB@y. New en@land [email protected] is very useful. That nutrient is easy to use and organic based. Check Weedhounds feed schedule or go to Botanicare's web site. You may want to order some Cal-Mag while you're at it. Those three will give you some results. I would still look for a un-nuted soil mix too or make one..that way you are in control of what nutes your plants get and when...good luck!

[Mcnizzlebery]

I was haveing trouble finding all the nutes and essential items for raising weeds. I took a hour on the google and found a few hydro shops. Visited the closest one and bam, now im using sensi bloom and happy frog. Got my 400 gigawatt light hood there too. But yeah the only thing that lowes/depot are good for are cow poop, humus, and lightbulbs. Mabey that will help.