outdoor lst - come on in

[greenatik]

hello everyone, thought i would share my outdoor grow this summer. i am trying to keep my plants as horizontal as possible, and so far things are looking great. they are from bagseed planted in peat bags march 21, and they have been outdoors for about 3 weeks.

they are in 3 gallon pots now and will be putting them in large holes with burlap and mulch to reduce my watering frequency. I have been giving them piranha beneficial fungi, dark energy, protekt drought/heatstress protection, and botanicare veg and liquid karma for the first time today. they will be on drip for the rest of the way soon.

I can't figure out how to upload pics I might not be able to yet due to lack of posts?

[Greenthing]

hello everyone, thought i would share my outdoor grow this summer. i am trying to keep my plants as horizontal as possible, and so far things are looking great. they are from bagseed planted in peat bags march 21, and they have been outdoors for about 3 weeks.

they are in 3 gallon pots now and will be putting them in large holes with burlap and mulch to reduce my watering frequency. I have been giving them piranha beneficial fungi, dark energy, protekt drought/heatstress protection, and botanicare veg and liquid karma for the first time today. they will be on drip for the rest of the way soon.

[QUOTE]can't figure out how to upload pics I might not be able to yet due to lack of posts
You need 50 posts to post a picture.;)

[zebulon]

Hey, Greenatik....welcome to the site.....thanks for the kind words in my log, for me, this whole site is a great source of inspiration...i never used lst until i joined this site, and saw how it's done...

To upload pix try attachments or manage attachments after hitting post reply....if you can't upload pix then you need at least 50 posts....
I'm excited to see the pix....if you have questions i try to help if i can...:thumbsup:

[greenatik]

thanks zebulon and greenthing, I figured that there was a post requirement for pictures

awesome, you are just the person i wanted lurking my journal zeb :thumbsup: .After seeing your indoor lst I am more than excited to see how well it goes outdoors.

Anyone know anything at all about the strain pineapple x lavender (pilav) ? It was a clone from the club and got put directly outside for a week before transplanting - it got pretty bruised up and I thought it was going to die so I moved it back inside under my fluoro setup and its starting to turn around. I had to cut off a whole set of leaves because they were so badly saturated and yellow, but it does have quite a bit of new growth shooting up. I am thinking that it has a bit of sativa due to its small skinny leaves...

Looks like I might be going on a post spree this next week to get my 50 :stoned:

[Orzy]

Any idea where the pineapple came from in that cross? C99 pheno maybe? I know Soma makes a lavender strain. It's a really colorful mostly indica breed.

[greenatik]

Orzy - I'm really not sure, I haven't been able to get much on either strains, especially pineapple. I grew lavender x nl outside last year and the lavender definitely influenced some of the purple/pink crazy hairs. i really wanted to know if this was an indoor specific strain, but im sure it will still do pretty well outside once transplanted and healthy again.

[zebulon]

Sorry i know nothing about pilav....

So, you have put the plant outside and it started to get yellow and was dieing?? how much soil dose the plant have??And how old/big is it?? Usually if i have problems like this, i transplant the plant into a bigger pot, or transplant it out....usually fresh soil helps....maybe you should transplant it outside if it's not too cold anymore...

[greenatik]

well its complicated - I have one partner with this outside grow and he has a few clones from the club and i have ten from bagseed - he thought that it would be fine to keep them in rockwool a week w/o transplanting :weedpoke: - I told him that they needed to be transplanted but w/e his other pilav died and I was barely able to revive this one. It was sitting in a small cup with water and it got horribly saturated - idiot!

i cant wait to show you these pics zeb. have you done any lst outdoors?

[greenatik]

oh and i was just watching crank last night baked - haha i like your avatar image

[zebulon]

Lst outdoors?? no...the truth is i used lst in my last indoor grow for the first time....but i think i gonna try it outdoors this year, to see if the lstd plants have a bigger yield...lst is good if you have limited space(indoors), but outdoors i'm not sure if it's any good....:wtf:
It yet has to be tested if it's really worth the work outdoors....

Yeah, that move is hilarious....sad that the end is a bit fucked up IMO...

[greenatik]

yeah chev is a badass in his last few hours and certainly gets his revenge, but their should of been an antidote - so there could of been a sequel (although he would have to get injected again to suit the theme).

as for the lst outdoors, i have heard that it will definitely increase yield and is worth it. a local grower claims it to be "the only way to grow outdoors - just bend the fucker over and tie it to a stake." He said they can get up to 10-15 ft long - but this is just what I have been hearing. my pictures sure do prove that they love being bent over and receiving that extra light to the stem. my 1 month 4 day plant (from seed) has over a nickel thick stem

this should be interesting for everyone, even if it doesn't turn out better then growing naturally

[greenatik]

ok finally i can post some pics, so here we go! Pictures will probably only come once a month if that so be patient i have been taking a lot of pictures to share after harvest :thumbsup::thumbsup:


Ok these first pictures are the plants 3 weeks from seed, i started training fairly early.

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[greenatik]

ok more pictures!

here they are 1 month 2 days from seed. they will be put into the ground very soon, and the lsting will continue around the pot and somewhat circular

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comments, suggestions, anything else feel free to post away!

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[greenatik]

5/7

plants look ok today, they were really thirsty but I couldn't visit them all week. more training has been done, which looks freakin good! :woohoo: They will wrap around in a circle once then off to wherever the best sunlight is. I have a couple of indoor plants I'd like to show off. Pineapple x lavender from a friend which was from a club, he left it sitting in a cup of water w/ it in rockwool for a week 1/2 almost killed the plant, and now, a week later, looks healthy as can be. its in botanicare cocogro under 26000 lumens in a small bin. it gets liquid karma and just started training yesterday ('low stress' training)

the other seedling is so squat and has fat leaves, that strain is God's Gift... also in cocogro...

enjoy the pics please comment! my thread is lonely :jointsmile:

what a plant looks like completely horizontal from the top :)
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upclose of the main stem and lsting
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[greenatik]

here are the indoor ones. pilav is the bigger one from clone, gods gift is from a feminized seed

here is pilav 2 days after transplant, 2 days after I got it and trimmed off the lower leaves that were completely yellow

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here pilav is a little over a week later
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gods gift
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[daihashi]

I'm hoping to get the courage for an outdoor grow after I get a few indoor ones under my belt.

I'll be watching this one closely. If I do an outdoor grow I don't think I'll be able to give it the attention lst requires but this will be good knowledge regardless. :thumbsup:

[greenatik]

thanks for tagging along daihashi!

right before i posted the new pics i was browsing your flower log and your plants sure turned out stalky. good job man!

If you can visit your outdoor crop once a month, I think that even a little LST-ing will be beneficial. Just bend long pieces of hanger in a U, and use that to stake down the main stem once or twice. But, like in my situation, I really don't think keeping the plants really low is helping my insect problem :(

Found a bug that used a lower leaf like a cacoon. It was sealed shut and i was like wtf? pried it apart and found some kind of bug using it as its nest. getting pissed to say the least even with organic pesticide.

outdoors can produce some great yields, but it is risky!

good luck with your grows :jointsmile::jointsmile:

[greenatik]

not to mention about 6 plants lost already to deer or small critter munches, they like to just take off the whole top of the plant and leave a nib of stem sticking above the soil..

animals are gone now just bugs, solution will come soon even if i have to step it up w/ some strong stuff to sweep the surrounding areas

enjoy my friends

[zebulon]

The plants look nice, but why are they in a pot?? You don't want to transplant them in the soil?? Other thing is, in summer, when you have watered the plants and the sun shines on those black pots, they can get so warm, that the roots simply get cooked. I have lost many plants because of this a few years back.....

[Greenthing]

[QUOTE]when you have watered the plants and the sun shines on those black pots, they can get so warm, that the roots simply get cooked.
Yes black absorbs heat white reflects heat, the roots should be cooler in the ground.:)

[greenatik]

the ground is not an option for many of them as I can not dig more than 8 inches deep. it is very rocky :( they are being transplanted out of the pots into burlap bags within the week so hopefully they will enjoy that better. thanks for the heads up I read that a while back and it had me worried.
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[greenatik]

well i checked on my plants yesterday and ... :woohoo: ... all I can say is this next picture update is going to be a good one :thumbsup:

out of my 8, 1 is probably for sure a hermaphrodite (very unusual looking), and the rest, well they havent shown their sex yet, but one is really dark green now out of nowhere i come back a week later and its twice as dark as the other plants. the hermy and this one are the only two seeds of different genetics (i think, bagseed ya know :stoned::stoned:)

the pests are subsiding, and with some new stuff, diatomaceous earth for the slugs, and a pesticide with miticide that should fix the rest of whats there... hopefully

think ill post some pics in a little bit of pilav in his new home, my pc.

peace :jointsmile:

[greenatik]

Ok folks, I don't feel like creating a separate thread for pilav, so I will just post pics and updates of both the outdoor grow and this one, which is inside a very old pc case.

I got the case for $14.50, which came with the exhaust fan and power supply. The drive bays were WELDED in place, making me wish I had splurged on a case from our century... Not going to go into details, but it involved heavy duty pliers and about 4 hours of persistence. Picked up some white poly from the hydro store, and white duct tape to make it official. I really wanted to get some spray adhesive and go that route, but time was of the essence, so I had to slam this grow together. Didn't even get to test for temp, but it seems to be cool enough :)

I am working on getting it 100% light tight and adding a home made carbon filter. got the idea from icmag, it involves two metal meshed pencil holders, a pair of pantyhose and some carbon. I will post pics of it when I complete it.

Pilav has been in her new home for 3 days now, on 12/12. four 23 watt cfls.

OK enough talking, on with the good stuff (pics)

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[greenatik]

yay, more pictures.

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enjoy, it has been 18 days since pilav's near death experience, so she could be a little stunted.

also, i have been giving her calmag the last couple of days. along with botanicare bloom, karma, and piranha

[hydrocannabis]

looken dam good.bro.

[Greenthing]

She is looking good, mabye a bit red on the leaf stems.
And yes i am still lurking on this posting.;)

[hydrocannabis]

5/7

plants look ok today, they were really thirsty but I couldn't visit them all week. more training has been done, which looks freakin good! :woohoo: They will wrap around in a circle once then off to wherever the best sunlight is. I have a couple of indoor plants I'd like to show off. Pineapple x lavender from a friend which was from a club, he left it sitting in a cup of water w/ it in rockwool for a week 1/2 almost killed the plant, and now, a week later, looks healthy as can be. its in botanicare cocogro under 26000 lumens in a small bin. it gets liquid karma and just started training yesterday ('low stress' training)

the other seedling is so squat and has fat leaves, that strain is God's Gift... also in cocogro...


enjoy the pics please comment! my thread is lonely :jointsmile:

what a plant looks like completely horizontal from the top :)
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upclose of the main stem and lsting
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so how R these good looking plants doing? :stoned: :stoned: :stoned:
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[greenatik]

She is looking good, mabye a bit red on the leaf stems.
And yes i am still lurking on this posting.;)

Thnx green :jointsmile: i know the red is a deficiency of some sort. any input? i thought i read it was mg and I just gave it calmag a couple days ago.

thanks for lurking :stoned:

[greenatik]

so how R these good looking plants doing? :stoned: :stoned: :stoned:
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absolutely amazing man, hopefully i will be able to snap some pics tomorrow. stay tuned, if they are still alive of course! :stoned::stoned:

[Greenthing]

Thnx green :jointsmile: i know the red is a deficiency of some sort. any input? i thought i read it was mg and I just gave it calmag a couple days ago.

thanks for lurking :stoned:

This is what i came up with, SYMPTOMS Red Stems nutrient N-P-K-Mg, that are the problem.
What is calmag for i have not heard of it?
But wait for more advice dont take my word for it as someone may know different.

[Greenthing]

Just came up with this also.
NITROGEN (N)
Pale plants, red stems, smaller growth. Rapid yellowing of lower leaves progressing up the plant. Add any chemical fertilizer containing N. Treated plants recover in about a week.
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POTASSIUM (K)
Affected plants are usually tallest and appear to be most vigorous. Necrotic spots form on lower leaves. Red stems. Leaves appear pale or yellow. Add chemical fertilizer containing K.
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I dont think your plant is showing these symtoms so this may not be of any use to you.

[greenatik]

Thanks for that info, it really confirms that the reddish stems were a magnesium deficiency (fingers crossed)

CalMag is a product for soil less or nuteless mediums. Since pilav is in cocogro, as Stinky has informed me, it is imperative to feed the plant these nutrients because the coco scavenges up any calcium

peace time for bed :jointsmile::jointsmile:

[Greenthing]

Yep Greenatic i have just read this, calmag to make up for the removed calcium, magnesium, iron, etc :thumbsup:

[lawl12]

It looks good Greenatic.... It helped me alot checking out your lst pics! Hope your grow is going well! :jointsmile:

[jakezking]

I've already started twisting my stem a bit, readying it for the limbo that is lst'ing. Your pictures speak volumes, as well as you explanation about the coat hangar. I truly appreciate the detail, and I look forward to following your log.

Feel free to drop by my new log. I just started an outdoor grow log today with my Mighty Freeze.

[greenatik]

It looks good Greenatic.... It helped me alot checking out your lst pics! Hope your grow is going well! :jointsmile:

Thanks a bunch, the grow is going ok, kind of dissapointed after checking on them today (i have pics and will post later). very very heat stressed as it hit 100 today and yesterday. hopefully 4 more days until the transplant. Many leaves were completely withered but... bugs are under control now.


I've already started twisting my stem a bit, readying it for the limbo that is lst'ing. Your pictures speak volumes, as well as you explanation about the coat hangar. I truly appreciate the detail, and I look forward to following your log.

Feel free to drop by my new log. I just started an outdoor grow log today with my Mighty Freeze.

How old are your babies that you are starting the lst-ing on? I was instructed to wait until 3-4 leaf sets, but I started earlier then that. Just make sure its low stress, and nothing too abrupt at an early stage.

glad my grow is helpin some peoples, feel free to ask questions about anything im doing i will explain it all in detail

Also, a side note, if you are in pots an easy way to wrap the stem around the pots as I have been discovering is by - Take the piece of hanger and make a hook so the branch is hooked to the lip of the pot (if that makes any sense)

My stems are getting fat and the pieces of hanger, no matter how long, don't hold the fatter stems anymore

Peace everyone, pics in a bit :jointsmile::jointsmile:

[greenatik]

ok here are the pictures. no complaining haha, I have come to realize that these plants aren't going to be nearly as beautiful or healthy looking compared to indoor. whatever, its all natural :jointsmile:

this is one of the best looking ones
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check out all the new nodes on the believed-to-be hermaphrodite
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[greenatik]

here is a better pic of the hermy, can someone clarify this for me? I would like to get rid of this weirdo :D

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here are some more pics of the LST-ing

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[greenatik]

here are the clones that are flowering.

here are the grandaddys, only 5 inches tall (LOL). they had a rough meeting with a deer, and ever since, they have been stunted. whatever they smell so damn good, every time i touch them i can smell it on my fingers for the rest of the day. DANK

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heres The Chronic

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enjoy peeps and let me know if you're gettin tired of all the picts

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[greenatik]

oh and you can see on a couple of the lst pics how hard it is to keep that stem down, the soil was way too fertile and it pulled the hanger right up, but as soon as I transplant into their holes, I can start training them along the ground. looks funky right now, but hey, they seem to like it !

[lawl12]

Looks great! Its too bad that those plants are stunted...

[greenatik]

thought id share more pictures of pilav, which seems to grow quite a bit everyday now.

heres the top view

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heres the side view

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CHEERS :D - Its been a day almost 2 days since I took those pics, and the hairs are becoming very noticeable, as well as the smell :food10:

[greenatik]

Looks great! Its too bad that those plants are stunted...

Yeah, the smell is ridiculously delicious. sweet yet dank, but I helped grow 3 monster grandaddy purps last year, so it's all good, I have had plenty of GDP over this last year. It was only strong for me a few times and my tolerance built up very quickly with that strain.

Thanks for the comments lawl :D

[zebulon]

Looking great.....That Pilav is a real beauty, nice work whit the lst so far.....:thumbsup:

[Greenthing]

Hi Greenatic,
She is looking real nice and healthy.:thumbsup:

[greenatik]

thanks a lot guys, appreciate the feedback :D

also zeb, how long do you guesstimate until those black pots will doom my plants over? this outdoor grow w/ drip costs more then planned and can't get them transplanted for another week. they looked heat stressed 3 days ago, and today they are looking a little better, but I don't want to come back to a cooked plant..

also, anyone have some ideas of where I could purchase some burlap bags locally? they are used for coffee beans etc, and dont really want to get them online, but I might have to.

any suggestions, ideas, please, the plants need you !

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[greenatik]

so here's a little update/eye candy :

here's pilav

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here's pilav's beginning hairs :food10:

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here's god's gift

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here's a time lapse

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[greenatik]

wow so pissed off :mad: one of the lights in the pc case fell onto my plant and now its all messed up. bunch of tips and leaves burnt to hell

FUCK velcro, heavy-duty my ass !

[jessejames12345]

damn man sorry to hear . Hope she will be OK, these plants are pretty remarkable what they can survive though :jointsmile:

[greenatik]

thanks for encouragement, i exaggerated because i was frustrated, and she isn't doing all that bad. I cut off the dead tips and leaves, but there wasn't that many, and everything else is looking good. im an idiot for mounting it with velcro, didn't realize how much heat those sockets really put off, which melted the glue. hairs are coming along nicely though, and the lights are mounted official now so pilav will have a safe budding season

pics tommorrow yeah?

[greenatik]

well here's some more pictures of pilav and her progress, also the damage that was caused by the falling CFL.

How long can I expect it to stretch before it starts putting on weight? It is definitely filling up the space nicely, I only have one more inch that pilav can continue growing horizontally, hopefully inducing a bunch of bud-sites.

Next run will most likely be with a different case, I have had my eye on this used server case (26+ '' tall!) and plan on doing quite a few seeds straight to 12/12. This case has been very hard to work with because of how sturdy it is. I have to install the DIY carbon filter within the week, pilav will start smelling strong soon.

anyways on to pictures :jointsmile:

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[greenatik]

oh and i found this pic of the Lavender X NL that I grew outside last year. it only yielded an ounce because it starting flowering straight from clone.

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[Greenthing]

Hi Greenatic, pilav is still looking good man:thumbsup:, i dropped a light twice on one or two of mine and they are still looking good plenty bud, starting flush today. ;)

[ViperC6]

oh and i found this pic of the Lavender X NL that I grew outside last year. it only yielded an ounce because it starting flowering straight from clone.

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I want my own clown. I'd love to grow something that looks like that! Nice grow folk.:jointsmile:

[greenatik]

i update a lot but i like seeing the progress so i am taking, or trying to take the pictures as much as possible.

I am really surprised that the CFL didn't do more damage, the plant, for the most part, never seemed stressed from it.

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viper - yeah I am really hoping that I get some colorful buddage from lavender, but no pink hairs this time :(

peace everyone :jointsmile:

[killa12345]

Greenatik...

You live and you learn....sorry about the velco thing.....i use the same thing for my sirius radio in the car, and the shit come down monthly......the plants look great.....im also LSTing the plants ive transfered outdoors.....and they are huge compared to my indoor ones of the same age.....but good luck....i know about the temps tooo......its constantly around 100F here already...my plants seem to thrive in this hot weather though...i just drowned them with water and come back in like a week...
See you soon
Killa12345

[Greenthing]

I am still lurking and they looking great, and say hello to pilav for me. :thumbsup:

[greenatik]

Greenatik...

You live and you learn....sorry about the velco thing.....i use the same thing for my sirius radio in the car, and the shit come down monthly......the plants look great.....im also LSTing the plants ive transfered outdoors.....and they are huge compared to my indoor ones of the same age.....but good luck....i know about the temps tooo......its constantly around 100F here already...my plants seem to thrive in this hot weather though...i just drowned them with water and come back in like a week...
See you soon
Killa12345

Exactly man, livin and learning, this pc grow is just for learning to hopefully get a good enough grasp on growing indoor when I do it big.

Good luck with your plants outdoors, how long have they been in those temps? I have to water at least every 3 days (its raining :woohoo:) or they are droopy and not looking so great. Are you doing anything for water conservation? I just added mulch about a week ago and it really makes a difference, was $3 for a huge bag of it.

And yes, I do not know if it is the LST'ing or the hot weather, but mine seem to be thriving as well ! :thumbsup:


I am still lurking and they looking great, and say hello to pilav for me. :thumbsup:

Haha, my brother was laughing because I call my plant by her name, but it's only proper :D

thanks for lurking :jointsmile:

peace everyone

[killa12345]

i really dont do anything for moisture....its been raining a lot lately so that helps....the heat isnt really an issue yet...i live somewhere where it gets hot......i keep my outdoor plants kinda under some short palms in the backyard..some of the rain is deflected by the frowns.....but im also losing some light(plants leaning a little toward the east....but i just keep lsting them opposite of the east...They are just under a month......just strated the ff 3 part on them...They are like 8 inch wide and like 4 inch tall being LST....Keep up the good work....Ill take some pics soon....
Killa12345

[greenatik]

yes mini bud porn, gave pilav full dosage of bloom and liquid karma, and over night, mini buds!

15 days on 12/12

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[greenatik]

does anybody know approximately how many days stretching occurs during flower? i know it is strain specific, im just looking for a ballpark answer, I only have 6-7 inches of vertical room (from current tops), and it seems to be stretching quite a bit. i have a feeling it might not fit :( i will hope for the best and keep tying stuff down

thanks if anyone can answer this :smokin:

[keeko]

mine just stopped stretching at 2 and a half weeks. your plants are looking great.

[greenatik]

thank you keeko, i have hope now :D

[keeko]

i was getting pretty close to the top of my cabinet also, thankfully they have stopped as i said. peace

[Greenthing]

yes mini bud porn, gave pilav full dosage of bloom and liquid karma, and over night, mini buds!

15 days on 12/12

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Pilav is looking very lush she is a good looking chick.:thumbsup:

[greenatik]

well heres some of the plants in the wild. transplanted w/ mulch and fabric to hold more moisture. I added the mulch a week ago and came back today and soil was still moist. things are looking up :jointsmile:

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Is this female or? Need help first time flowering from seed I have only done clones so :confused:

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enjoy, this might be the last update for them for a while, for security purposes of course:jointsmile:

but pilav is looking insanely good, will have to post some pics soon. tied it down and regained 3.5 more inches of headspace. running over max fert intake but no nute burn yet. I water the coco every other day about 1 gallon.

peace :jointsmile:

[greenatik]

need help pruning, what leaves are ok to prune off during flower and veg, and how many? Do i need to only pull of a few on each plant at a time or can I do quite a few? The article I read about lst-ing along the ground says removing fan leaves is a normal process, because of how bushy it gets. any help is appreciated, I have to remove some leaves from pilav soon to expose all the bud sites, the pc case is quite full now :D

[greenatik]

oh and a picture of one of the ones being lst'd completely horizontal, only doing a couple, they seem to have more insect problems :(

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[sarah louise]

Nice log Greenatik, I train my potted sativas in a similar way. The difference is that I wind the stem around the outside of the pot rim to minimise contact between plant material and the soil.

I haven't had any problems with insects... but looking at your plant I'd suggest loosening her bonds a little so she can gain a few inches height above the soil, should improve air circulation and remove the leaf litter from the top of the pot. If you want to mulch for water retention use just about anything else eg) peat, coco coir, ground lucerne chaff, fine mushroom compost. Leaf litter provides a great habitat for snails, slugs and caterpillars, all of them like having tender green shoots on the doorstep.

[greenatik]

yes, you are right, it would of been better to train them above the soil, but given my time restraints, and how often I am able to visit them, i only have a few minutes to stake some shoots down. I have let my training go on 3/4 of them and are only keeping a few horizontal.

but about the mulch, I am using bark nuggets, simply bark not full mulch (leaf clippings), do you think this will also create a habitat for insects?

overall though, the plants have balanced out with the natural predators and don't seem nearly affected by pests as they did when they were smaller. thank you for the advice, i will be keeping a close eye on the mulch and also try and raise up my training a bit off the soil.

peace friend :jointsmile:

[greenatik]

here is pilav. 17 on 12/12. loving the hairs!

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[greenatik]

i was getting pretty close to the top of my cabinet also, thankfully they have stopped as i said. peace

going on 3 weeks soon, so we will see ;) seems to be slowing a bit, but with the lst work i just did, i have enough room, i think
peace :jointsmile:

Pilav is looking very lush she is a good looking chick.:thumbsup:
thanks green, not bad for my first indoor grow, she has fortunately been very forgiving :)

[Shovelhandle]

Looking nice, greeatik. I like the bark mulch. I use it on my houseplants and never have pest problems.

[Shovelhandle]

duplicate, sorry

[sarah louise]

my mistake, looked like leaf mould from here.

Can't comment on bark, never use it myself.

[jakezking]

greenatik, it appears you are having a great time staying busy both indoors and outdoors. Both sets of plants are looking good. As for your question about whether the outdoor plant is male or female, I'm not certain - for some reason I want to say it is male because of those white puffy cotton ball looking protrusions; but, I am no expert by any means. Hopefully I am wrong.

Good luck on your continuing grows, and I look forward to following your log to smoke!

[greenatik]

Looking nice, greeatik. I like the bark mulch. I use it on my houseplants and never have pest problems.

thanks for stopping by shovel :jointsmile: that is reassuring about the mulch :)


my mistake, looked like leaf mould from here.

Can't comment on bark, never use it myself.

ah, no worries sarah, it was good info nonetheless. I am glad I just happened to grab the bark and not the full mulch



greenatik, it appears you are having a great time staying busy both indoors and outdoors. Both sets of plants are looking good. As for your question about whether the outdoor plant is male or female, I'm not certain - for some reason I want to say it is male because of those white puffy cotton ball looking protrusions; but, I am no expert by any means. Hopefully I am wrong.

Good luck on your continuing grows, and I look forward to following your log to smoke!

Ha, I wouldn't really consider it a "great" time, at least for the outdoor ones. Overall, it has been more work then I really anticipated, or have the time for, and the 2 mi hike is exhausting with no supplies, but with soil, mulch, plants, etc. :(

I just hope they turn into some monsters and really justify the effort.

But, this mini indoor grow is lots of fun. Can check on her any time, give her nutes on a precise schedule, etc.

Anyways sorry for the ramble and thanks for lurking, I hope everything is going well for you ! :D

[greenatik]

well I think pilav deserved a photo shoot today so check it out

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The third picture and first picture is its more real color, bright green in the middle and dark leaves, the other pics were when the plant was under the cfls

I just picked up some budswel today from the hydro store can anyone give me some advice on this? should i just keep going with the pure blend or do 1/2 and 1/2? its 0 - 7 - 0 bat guano earthworm castings, seabird guano

thanks in advance and peace :jointsmile:

[zebulon]

Hey Greenatik.....beautiful man, pilav looks so nice and...."special" imo...
I think if you give the plant something new, it's always wise to give a little dose for the first time, you can never know how the plants gonna react....:hippy:

[Greenthing]

Greenatik it looks like you are doing something right she is looking good.:thumbsup:

[hydrocannabis]

yah. she looks damm good.

[greenatik]

Hey Greenatik.....beautiful man, pilav looks so nice and...."special" imo...
I think if you give the plant something new, it's always wise to give a little dose for the first time, you can never know how the plants gonna react....:hippy:

thanks zeb, the buds look like little white pineapples in person :food10:

i was thinking of mixing both and doing 1/2 dosage for a couple waterings and work my way up :thumbsup:


Greenatik it looks like you are doing something right she is looking good.:thumbsup:

i guess so.. first time growing indoors, well flowering indoors and me likey.


yah. she looks damm good.

thank you hydro :jointsmile:

[jakezking]

Dang, greenatik, you have a buxom beauty on your hands, my friend! Pilav is looking gorgeous! My wife is beginning to get jealous because I have been spending so much time looking at bud online - I think she would prefer me looking at porn? Well, Pilav = porn to me now. Congratulations on all of your efforts on her. I look forward to continuing to follow her progress.

Any update on the outdoor crop? I know that 2 mile hike must be exhausting with supplies, so I can understand the lack of an update. Good luck with them too!

Aloha

[greenatik]

ah its not too bad just was getting anxious to not to have to hand water them anymore at that distance, but that means the updates will indeed be more spread out now. oh well pilav will dance around and entertain in between :D

peace! thnx for stopping by bro

[greenatik]

i just pruned off a few fan leaves, a couple every day it is getting too bushy for the lower buds to get any light

gave first feeding with budswel today, 1/2 of rec dosage, and 3/4 dosage of the PBP. went a little light w/ liquid karma just to see how it likes the guano, i have read that certain guanos can be tricky with coco so we will see what happens

anyways heres a quick snapshot of day 23 of 12/12

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peace my friends :jointsmile:

[greenatik]

well an update ... outdoor plants look like complete shit they were almost all dead but came back to life with the watering .. hopefully they make it through it

here's pilav .. seems to be loving life and the budswel .. finally starting to smell a little bit and producing thc .. :woohoo:

25 on 12/12

zoom in :stoned:

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peace everyone

[jakezking]

greenatik, that last picture is mad. I mean you have a sweet subject to work with, and the camera has a good focus on it. Nice work all around, my friend!

[Greenthing]

Greenatik, Pilav she is one beautiful Lady and I would like to smell her sweet perfume.:rasta:

[Shovelhandle]

Nice photos. I wish my photos were like yours.

Shov

[greenatik]

greenatik, that last picture is mad. I mean you have a sweet subject to work with, and the camera has a good focus on it. Nice work all around, my friend!

thanks friend! i have to snap 4 pics to get one in focus because I am usually too stoned, and when im stoned I am a little shaky!


Greenatik, Pilav she is one beautiful Lady and I would like to smell her sweet perfume.:rasta:

thank you green! She actually doesn't smell really at all. I mean I have to stick my nose in a bud to get a hint of anything. I don't think that I will have to add the carbon scrubber she is so odorless :rastabanna:


Nice photos. I wish my photos were like yours.

Shov

I take them at max resolution and then crop just the bud out in a photo program (photoshop) my camera isn't all that great, so give it a try! :)

Also, I am picking up some molasses, read a whole lot on it today. And will post some more pics tonight when her lights turn on

peace friends :jointsmile:

[Greenthing]

She will smell sweet later, i think when she is older. ;)

[greenatik]

i hope she smells sweet / hashy

on another note, i roughly counted 17-19 different bud nodes

anyways another update. full size to see the hair's hair. :D

26 days on 12/12

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[Greenthing]

Greenatik she looks even better close up i think i am in love with her.:thumbsup:

[greenatik]

well... i am sorry green .. but i've already proposed .. :D:D

[Greenthing]

well... i am sorry green .. but i've already proposed .. :D:D

The best man won, i am so sad LOL.:)

[hydrocannabis]

she looks great. realy great.:thumbsup:

[greenatik]

soo ... pilav was nice enough to let me sneak in the camera on our honeymoon for some extra sticky pictures. i hope she doesn't mind me sharing.. LOL


comin up on 28 full 12/12 days - from the looks of where I am at does this seem on track for a 50-60 day harvest or will it be longer?

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[greenatik]

starting molasses on next watering

and 1 more pic just for fun

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[greenatik]

so I feel like a complete idiot. i was so high last night and my best bud convinced me to snip off a tiny bud to try. but being high, i accidentally snipped off the entire bud branch. i really can't believe I did that, considering that branch could of potentially been an eighth. :mad:

w/e at least I got high from it

on another note - the outdoor crop is looking BOMB. two of my plants are up to my nips, not including pot height. also seems as if i got 6 / 8 females but am waiting a bit longer to tell for sure

and i have poison oak again... ARGGHH .. 7th time in two months

time to get high after working on the crop for the last 5 hours! peace :jointsmile:

[greenatik]

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[hydrocannabis]

wow wow wow wow. she looks real great.:thumbsup:

[greenatik]

couple pics of some more plants i have going on

black kush, mystery purple, gods gift, more coming...

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[d4twamp]

nice lookin buds... I lst'd for the first time this year on a indoor grow. I only did 2 plants from seed, 1 turned out male the other was a true lady. I tied down the top for a while then when then lower shoots caught up with the top I tied them down also. I then put her outdoors (too early at the time) she started to flower due to not getting good light so I brought her back indoors and turned all my grow on 12/12. now I've got a crap loads of tops on this 1 plant it looks like a mini christmas tree lot... at least a dozen huge colas and a bunch of smaller ones. can't wait to do more expirimenting with lsting it does work so keep it up.

later D:S5:

[Shovelhandle]

nice plants. They sound like good strains. <G>

[jakezking]

Those are some really nice lookin' plants starting outdoors, greenatik! I'm glad to hear your other outdoor grow is going well. Sorry to hear about your poison oak, bro - that stuff will wear you thin, but at least it should keep the snatchers away. Pilav is absolutely insane! I can't wait to hear a thorough smoke report on her!

Take good care out there, my friend!

[Shovelhandle]

oh ya, sorry about your poison oak also. togh breaks man.

[greenatik]

i posted this in the plant prob section as well. thought maybe someone would see it here i need a quick answer

heres pilav today, perfectly healthy yesterday. all the leave ends are crispy and there are orangish/yellowish spots on the leaves, and the ends crumble or break off when i touch them. the temp is 78 and i think it might be lockout or over nuting

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[greenatik]

things are not going so well friends.. I have decided to give up on my original outdoor grow.

I went to see them today and after receiving 2 gallons a piece just 3 days ago, 2 of my plants were dead, and the rest were on the way. The heat is unbearable in this location, and they all have showed signs of heat stress as soon as it hit 90. The drip did not work out as planned -- I hypothesize that because the drippers are only putting out a gallon every day, the entire pot isn't getting soaked in contrast with hand watering that same gallon.

A few plants maybe salvageable, but I have completely redrawn my outdoor strategy, and have much higher confidence, due to easement of watering, in the new location. Also plan on doing an outdoor sog when 12/12 is nearing using a natural drip that looks somewhat promising.

Pilav is, well, hopefully getting better. I hope the flush does the trick.

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[jakezking]

Dude, I'm sorry to hear about the outdoor heat drying out your beauties! I hope your new idea will pan out. And, you can't be too disappointed in your outdoor when you gaze into Pilav's eyes - I can't keep up with the number of eyes she has, but they all appear as bursting stars. Absolutely brilliant, my friend!

[greenatik]

oh ya, sorry about your poison oak also. togh breaks man.

thnx for stopping by shovel - I am excited about the new strains, mr nice (g13 x hashplant), purple voodoo, and the black kush. hopefully they will survive the heat, but they do have much nicer conditions. and the poison oak is now a thing of the past because the new spots don't have it. :giggity:


Dude, I'm sorry to hear about the outdoor heat drying out your beauties! I hope your new idea will pan out. And, you can't be too disappointed in your outdoor when you gaze into Pilav's eyes - I can't keep up with the number of eyes she has, but they all appear as bursting stars. Absolutely brilliant, my friend!

Well, I could of saved the outdoor plants, but you just know when its time to start over. They have been heat stressed from the beginning and didnt seem to be growing at all. Plus, I will be working with clones at the new spot, and clones are proven bud, and if I'm going all the way out to water them, I don't want to be watering males

I am also trying to construct an organic compost to use that will give the plants enough nutrients to last through flower. Anyone have some suggestions on things to include? They will only be able to veg for about a month before budding season starts.

well, since this is a log, I'll update, but it's not very pretty. going to flush pilav again real well then just give it PBP and a tiny bit of molasses till she finishes up. I am pretty sure that the guano was the culprit, combined with a fan going out rising the temps considerably over that evil 12 hour dark cycle.

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[greenatik]

i am so stoked right now. my new outdoor spot is looking promising. i went back to see my old outdoor crop and pick up some supplies. its been like 2 weeks since my plants had received water and they looked real droopy then - 3 confirmed females that didnt look too bad got transported to the new spot. it was a bitch, and 2 of them got supercropped accidently. but we soaked them real good and within 2 hours they were completely upright and the leaves were shooting straight out. my buddy and i were having a hard time differentiating them because they looked like completely diff plants

royal purple x master kush clones (CLIMATIZED for 30 years) on their way to that spot as well. auto drip on a timer and i never have to check on them. one more night trip out their w/ more soil and goodies, and another day to clear out and plant clones and it will be set

oh yeah pilav is looking bomb. finally was able to check my ph and it was 7.2, so I got the ph stuff to correct it down to 6.5. her first watering with properly ph'd water will be tonight, but it already looks 10x better since the burn. a lot of hairs changing colors and the buds are swelling. definitely going to harvest something off of her.

srry for the essay, peace

[greenatik]

these pics r from yesterday, so 42 days from flower, 43 today.

any input on thoughts on a guesstimate to time left is appreciated! i want the perfect 50/50 and my buddies got a nice magnifying lens

pilav is definitely recovering strongly, and besides the ugly burnt leaves it seems to be doing well. all the little new leaves on the buds are green and my ph has been perfect the last few days.


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[greenatik]

2 more. my gods gift outdoor got topped by some kind of animal.... like the 10th plant that has happened to this year. but its ok because they usually do a might fine job of topping and the plant recovers nicely. the gods gift has new shoots and looking fairly well besides minor insect problems and underfed. nutes and pesticide coming soon

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[jakezking]

greenatik, it looks like you have made a mighty fine recovery since my last visit of your thread! I missed a lot of action on Pilav, but she seems to be looking much better now you have your ph problem worked out. This board is a great resource of highly intelligent, educated, and experienced minds to find a solution in a serious time of need! Glad you were able to find the help you needed in this instance to salvage a true beauty of a plant!

Your new outdoor location sounds amazing. And, all of your new strains are really making me anxious to get my beans in the mail! I can't wait to get more plants going! I hope you have the same success outside as you did inside with Pilav!

Good luck, my friend! Be good out there!

[greenatik]

greenatik, it looks like you have made a mighty fine recovery since my last visit of your thread! I missed a lot of action on Pilav, but she seems to be looking much better now you have your ph problem worked out. This board is a great resource of highly intelligent, educated, and experienced minds to find a solution in a serious time of need! Glad you were able to find the help you needed in this instance to salvage a true beauty of a plant!

Your new outdoor location sounds amazing. And, all of your new strains are really making me anxious to get my beans in the mail! I can't wait to get more plants going! I hope you have the same success outside as you did inside with Pilav!

Good luck, my friend! Be good out there!

Thanks for stopping by again Jake! Yes, this board is filled with experienced growers and I was able to pinpoint my problem within a day or so, thanks to Stinky of course :D

It was an overfert problem, which makes perfect sense. I have always felt like my outdoor plants aren't getting enough food/nutes because I only visit them once a week. So when I was able to pamper pilav, I overdid it. I am in the process of designing my next PC build. It is a server case and about 26" tall. Will be shooting for 6-9 plants. Haven't decided if I am going to do a small HPS w/ glass shield or stick to CFL

So, what beans did ya order? It is always a lot more fun working with named genetics, especially if its a strain that has what your looking for. I just got some G13 x Hashplant, but only 4 beans out of 14 popped. must be the genetics as i've never had such a low success rate.

I'll be stoppin by your log soon jake,

peace! :jointsmile:

[jakezking]

I can understand the propensity to over-fertilize - I have to restrain myself all the time, especially since it's been raining just about every day following my watering my plant with bloom ferts. It's just like washing your car right before it rains - very frustrating.

As for the beans I am expecting, I ordered Nirvana's Pure Power Plant, New Purple Power, and Papaya; they were shipped by seed-boutique back on June 10th, and I have not received them yet; I'm starting to think they aren't going to make it - again my luck! I'm keeping my fingers crossed though.

Sorry to hear about the low germination rate of the G13 - I just read about someone else really wanting to try a G13 cross; I haven't read/heard much about it, but it must be pretty darn sweet!

I look forward to your visit to my log, my friend! I hope you like my plant's progress!

Be good out there!

[greenatik]

just a couple upclose shots 4 fun. messed around with a magnifying glass and couldn't get better pics than just with my camera's macro setting. i'll have to get a jeweler's loupe

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[jakezking]

greenatik! It looks like you answered the magnifying glass question, eh? Your camera is much better than mine though, as you have some sweet lookin' trich, pistil, and hair pics! You've always had some sweet photography within your log!

I can't wait for more pictures of your outdoor plants, and Pilav is looking outstanding following her dehydration. I still believe your Pilav looks much sweeter than MIQ, and seems to be developing much better than MIQ. I think Pilav is almost 2 weeks ahead of MIQ on flowering, so maybe the mini ice queen will be able to catch up - if she ends up lookin' 1/2 as hot as Pilav, she won't be hurtin' for suitors (I'm not into swingin' whatsoever, but I will have to share her with some friends and family!)

I hope all is well with you, my friend. Have a great remainder of your weekend! Be good out there!

[Shovelhandle]

Time for some plant photos? The bud shots are looking very good.

Shov

[greenatik]

yeah sorry about the lack of photos on my outdoor crops... i even brought my camera to all my spots yesterday, but was so busy fixing my main drip line (a deer must of tripped it) that I forgot to snap pictures. I was excited to come back and see them all on drip for 5 days to find my reservoir dry. Its all good though now. I wish I had taken pictures of before/after these plant's revival. One plant was so dead that my partner bet me one of his plants that it wouldn't come back. 5 days later and I got myself a new plant!

lesson learned: a plant can be revived long after signs of heat stress and extreme droopy leaves. but does increase my chances for hermies

oh and my god's gift, the last outdoor plant i posted, is doing insanely good. the new tops were about 3 inches tall on my last visit, and yesterday, they were about 6 inches. All was good until I stepped on my bag of soil, in which 500 - 1000 fire ants were underneath. my legs were covered within 6 seconds and they got all over my plants. I dont think they will be a problem but does anyone know if diatomaceous earth will rid them?

Next visit I will for sure have some pics to share :thumbsup: im going on vacation for the 4th, for 5 days, so it might not be until after that.

[camoxnhx]

so the Gods Gift is a amazing strain. I've smoked it on more then one occasion and it will treat you oh so well. Your plants have me in awe on how they look. sorry about your scroched plants.. i've been in the same boat. Now when everything is all said and done are you gonna do a smoke and weight report?

[greenatik]

oh, of course :D

gods gift is liked by more then just us smokers. its the only strain that keeps getting repeatedly topped from deers/animals. who wouldn't want to eat OG kush x GDP

thnx for stopping by bro

[greenatik]

well, here's an update of one of the outdoor crops

i think that they are liking the A/N heavy harvest

all these plants were extremely heat stressed a week ago

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peace everyone :jointsmile:

[greenatik]

just have to say that pilav smells oh so sweet all of a sudden. very sticky and a definite pineapple zest to it. was able to put together a drip for her while im gone this week. she should get 32 oz every 24 hrs. just PBP & molasses, and calmag.

peace everyone ill post some pics on monday or so (hope everything goes as planned :o) :jointsmile:

[jakezking]

greenatik, have a great holiday vacation, my friend! Your outdoor beauties are looking exceptional! I can't wait for updated pics on Pilav! It sounds like you have a nice system set up for her, and she is sounding sweeter than ever!

Be good out there!

[greenatik]

greenatik, have a great holiday vacation, my friend! Your outdoor beauties are looking exceptional! I can't wait for updated pics on Pilav! It sounds like you have a nice system set up for her, and she is sounding sweeter than ever!

Be good out there!


I hope you had a good 4th too jake :thumbsup:

just a couple pics for today

it seems like I have quite a bit of time left... what does everyone else think? I am at day 53..

she is getting frosty and stinky and sticky, ill try and get a good photo of the frost later this week

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[jakezking]

greenatik, Pilav looks awesome. To me, it looks like she is getting really close to being done. I couldn't quite tell, but it looks like most of her trichs are cloudy? My guess is since you are coming up on Week 9 of Flower, Pilav is just about ready.

I can't wait to get a smoke report and weigh in from her!

[greenatik]

I actually think she might go 70 days. she has a lot of new vertical bud growth, new leaves and 70% of the hairs are still bright white. the picture is kind of hard to see what I mean, but since she has a lot of sativa, she could go for another month.

Ill take some better pics tonight when the lights flip :jointsmile:

How is MIQ doing jake? Did the beans finally show up?

PS - Last night I found a HUGE spider inside the PC case.... How he got in is still a mystery... Its completely sealed except for the intake/exhaust...

[jakezking]

I'm glad to hear Pilav has continued growing. I'm hoping MIQ continues growing like she has been. And, I'm really looking forward to new pics of Pilav! It's nice watching her grow, and it helps me relax a bit - taking my mind off MIQ and her growth. I hadn't thought about the high sativa content of Pilav; I should have noticed how thin her leaves are. I've been chomping at the bit to try a good sativa. I figure I'll get a few more grows under my belt before trying one. I bet she is going to rock your world!

MIQ is doing well. Her pistil development really seems to have slowed down, but her buds seem to be elongating, so I'm guessing she'll begin to develop pistils again as she plumps up. I gave her another dose of Super Bloom today, and hopefully it won't rain to flush her bucket, so the bloom nutes will have a chance to hit her system. But, I still don't have any beans yet. They should show up this week, if they make it through the blockade. However, I did get some bagbeans from my bro-in-law. He and my sister are actually germinating a few too. I'm looking forward to what these beans will do - my 4 are popping and should be ready for jiffy pellets tomorrow. Luckily I'm far enough south that I shouldn't have a problem starting another outdoor grow this late in the season.

Crazy how insects/arachnids can find their way into just about anywhere. I have not done much research on good v. bad insects/arachnids, but is a spider a bad thing to have around your plant, as I figure it may eat all of the bad bugs?

Be good out there, my friend!

[greenatik]

a little update of these babies... im almost positive the gods gift is female, it came from a feminized seed. the black kush likes to stretch a shitload . everything is looking good for the most part

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and here's pilav.

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[jakezking]

greenatik, your outdoor plants are looking outstanding, but I need to wipe the resin off my eyes as just looking at Pilav got them all sticky! Dude, she is a superstar, and you're going to have some high times ahead of you!

Thanks for the updated pictures! I see what you're saying about the new pistil development. You must be a super patient individual, because I would be cutting her down at this point. I definitely need a loupe to check trichs! Super fine work, my friend!

[greenatik]

yeah I have come to realize that I must be patient with growing. If it takes 100 days to get bud, I am going to wait until pilav is dried and cured for a good week before I try her.

I am in disbelief of how big my gods gift has gotten. Probably because of all the extra soil space - its in half a bag of good soil and has grown about 2 feet this week alone :D

[Shovelhandle]

Sweet plants. Your going to have a nice harvest.

[greenatik]

thanks for the encouraging words shov, I really hope so!

going to have some good pics later on this week :D

[greenatik]

oh i can't resists taking pics of this bitch. hope yall don't mind... slow connections beware big ass pics

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check out the new bud development/hairs

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[greenatik]

probably going to start to flush late next week, well depending on how it looks until then... trichs look clear to me so probably about 2-3 weeks total left im thinking. i have also lowered the temperatures drastically to bring out the lavender :)

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[jakezking]

Dang! You must have been a photographer at GlamourShots in another life! But, it doesn't hurt to have an incredible model in front of the lens, eh? As always, I am set back into my chair to take all of Pilav's glory in. Even with the bit of burn left on her, she is a true beauty, my friend! And, there is no doubt in my mind, she will have beautiful effects on your mind!

You have done an outstanding job with Pilav, and I'm glad her time is nearing the end, so I can read her about her curing process, weight, and smoke reports! Also, how are your outsiders doing these days?

Be good out there, bro!

[greenatik]

Hey Jake! Thanks for keeping my log company :D I have a little bit of photography experience, but I am no professional ! Just love taking pictures and I love plants, which makes for good photos :rastasmoke:

I will be flushing pilav on Monday giving it a shitload of molasses and just water for 5-6 days, then just water for about 4 days after that. then will be pulling pilav and instead of chopping, I will be boiling the roots. A very experienced grower buddy of mine said it works wonders, so we will see?!? Then I will hang the whole plant upside down in the case and let it dry with just the intake/exhaust. While it is drying I will be constructing my new micro setup, which should be quite fun..

It is going to be very hard to control myself from smoking pilav early. I really want to give it a good cure before the initial smoke

The outsiders are... well... I guess the pictures can explain that :D

I just hope a lot of them are females, the 3 or 4 best ones still haven't shown sex, but I am hoping for the best

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This plant is the plant that my buddy didn't think would come back. When I first attempted to salvage it I had to take off 80% of the leaves because it looked 90% dead. Just left the few good looking leaves there were, and bam, 2 weeks later it's doing a lot better. nothing phenomenal compared to the others, but I am pretty sure I saw baby hairs on it today.

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[greenatik]

going to start my flush tomorrow!

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[male80205]

When you say a shit load of molasses, how much do you use per gallon.
Why boil the roots, what does your buddy say it does?
Kudos to you for such a nice harvest.:hippy:

[greenatik]

thanks for the kudos 80205 :D

For the molasses, I have been giving it 1/2 tsp per gallon since week 4 of flower. i will be stepping it up during flush to 1.5 tsp.

and my buddy, actually a really good grower that I just met and has been hooking me up with clones, said that boiling the roots can add stress to force things (not sure exactly what) out to the buds.. something along those lines... he told me about it after a bowl of white widow x gdp x gdp hash and the details are foggy but it makes sense. i'm sure someone on here has heard of it. ive read of other people that do other manipulative techniques (total darkness) the last couple days to add stress to produce more resin

actually, im going to look into this right now, i'd like to find out :D

[jakezking]

greenatik, I saw your post in another thread regarding bonsai'ing limbs to allow concentration of growth on the main cola and using such technique on some/all of your clones. I was just reading a bit, and came across an interesting technique called "limbing."

I am repasting an excerpt from Robert Connell Clarke's Marijuana Botany which may be of use to you. This excerpt was freely available on the internet not in violation of any copyright law, and its reproduction on here represents no such violation.

I hope it helps you.



Limbing is another common method of pruning Cannabis plants. Many small limbs
will usually grow from the bottom portions of the plant, and due to shading they
remain small and fail to develop large floral clusters. If these atrophied
lower limbs are removed, the plant can devote more of its floral energies to the
top parts of the plant with the most sun exposure and the greatest chance of
pollination. The question arises of whether removing entire limbs constitutes a
shock to the growing plant, possibly limiting its ultimate size. It seems in
this case that shock is minimized by removing entire limbs, including
proportional amounts of stems, leaves, meristems, and flowers; this probably
results in less metabolic imbalance than if only flowers, leaves, or meristems
were removed. Also, the lower limbs are usually very small and seem of little
significance in the metabolism of the total plant. In large plants, many limbs
near the central stalk also become shaded and atrophied and these are also
sometimes removed in an effort to increase the yield of large floral clusters on
the sunny exterior margins.

[greenatik]

yes, thank you jake! only difference is that bonsai scissors make the shoot grow back 1/2 as big, rather then pruning, which completely removes the node. I am pretty sure either way will work well for my application !

[greenatik]

so i guess its time for an update :cool:

got lots of pics to share :jointsmile:

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[greenatik]

and more...

one of my gods gift outdoor, from the plant in last post, last 2 pics
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black kush
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mr nice
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mystery purple
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from back left to right... mystery purple clone, about a week since rooted, black kush, mr. nice (g13 x hashplant), purple kush, purple voodoo, mystery purple
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[greenatik]

some of my bigger ones... so stoked the drip works, no more watering, just observing :D
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reveggin 'white widow' and 'the chronic'
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and of course pilav... started noticing signs of burn, AGAIN! so I said forget molasses, just water from here on out. 5-8 more days me thinks..
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[bickeybammer]

mm cant wait to smoke

[Shovelhandle]

Beauty pics, Bub. Lovely plants.

[greenatik]

thnx shov :jointsmile:

can't wait to see my outdoors later this week :stoned:

[jakezking]

greenatik, dude, you have a mass of green on your hands, my friend! I can't wait to see Pilav strung up and drying; and, I'm super anxious to read a smoke report of her - she is amazingly beautiful. Your outdoor ladies are getting FLIPPIN' HUGE! And, you have an incredible strain assortment. There is no doubt you have some green thumbs, bro!

As for boiling the roots, I ran across another excerpt from the above-quoted source about this technique. It appears it doesn't do anything except lengthen the dry time -


Boiling attached Cannabis roots after harvesting whole plants, but before
drying, is an interesting technique. Originally it was thought by cultivators
that boiling the roots would force resins to the floral clusters. In actuality,
there are very few resins within the vascular system of the plant and most of
the resins have been secreted in the heads of glandular trichomes. Once resins
are secreted they are no longer water-soluble and are not part of the vascular
system. As a result, neither boiling nor any other process will move resins and
cannabinoids around the plant. However, boiling the roots does lengthen the
drying time of the whole plant. Boiling the roots shocks the stomata of the
leaves and forces them to close immediately; less water vapor is allowed to
escape and the floral clusters dry more slowly. If the leaves are left intact
when drying, the water evaporates through the leaves instead of through the
flowers.

I don't know if that helps at all, but I thought I'd pass it along. Keep up the incredible work with these ladies, my friend! I hope this post finds you and yours well.

[greenatik]

damn, thanks jake, you always have relevant information man! I was skeptical about boiling the roots, and now it doesn't seem to do enough for me to waste the time! just going to chop her and hang her upside down :D

she is looking good, if ya can see past the burnt leaves... at least I am already 75% done trimming!

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here's some pics of bickey's plants :jointsmile:

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[greenatik]

check out my little garden :jointsmile::jointsmile:

sorry for the pic manipulation.. for security reasons of course:pimp:

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this one is been getting A/N heavy harvest, well a few have, and its definitely working

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[greenatik]

pilav was harvested tonight.. :D:D:D

buds are hanging, drying... awaiting consumption. :food10:

she has been in the dark for the last 48 hours. she smells great and is covered in thc. I used sweet citrus the last week 1/2, and she smells completely different now. Probably could of taken her another week, still white hairs on top of a few buds. w/e I need smoke, and I want to get my new run underway.

anyways enjoy some pictures :stoned:

oh yeah.. what do you think i yielded? seems to be a lot for 9 day veg on a almost dead clone.. i also broke off a main branch that was quite large, plus a lot of small buds already smoked :D

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just celebrated harvest with a g-bong hit of scissor hash and shit load of hairs. :giggity: :giggity:

[greenatik]

the outdoor ganja girls

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peace

[zebulon]

Nice work Greenatik....pilav looks yummy, can't wait for the smoke report...:thumbsup:
And the outdoor girls looking great...:jointsmile:

[hydrocannabis]

hell yah bro. thet all look great.

[greenatik]

thanks guys :jointsmile::jointsmile: i feel accomplished now.. seems like it took forever !! 77 days all together.

those pictures really don't do any justice i was in a hurry and the lighting sucked, ill get some good bud shots when they are dry. and a weigh out. and smoke report.

I can't wait for my new setup. much bigger cfls, lots of wattage :D

peace

[greenatik]

edit* 77 days total for flowering - + about 20 days. the plant was about to die after being outside for a week, then it was brought inside, and vegged for 9 days.

anyways the buds are fluffy and yield will probably be lower then guesstimated. ive sampled small dry buds already, super good stuff :food10:

i want to wait for at least a week cure and get a couple, better smoke reports from buddies. here is a mini smoke report.

it has a nice smell to it even though most the buds need about 2 days left before the jar. singes the nose on the exhale and it is smooth at first with a definite pineapple-y taste. mellow at first, but has a hard kick about 5-10 minutes in. lots of laughter and munchies. it also makes my mind wander.

anyways, im high right now, and thats the pre-cure smoke report

also would like to point out that in the picture of my outdoor girls, the bigger ones are about 5 ft tall. all other plants are over 3-4 feet. looking awesome and all the supercrops were a success.

:rasta:

and im out

[jakezking]

greenatik, Pilav's hairs are INSANE! She has to be an amazing smoke. As beautiful as she was in life, she must be even more beautiful curing and smoking! I can't wait for some good dried pictures of her.

And, your outdoor ladies are becoming monsters, dude! I'm looking forward to seeing them begin flowering. You are certainly going to wind up with quite a bit of weight from them, and I hope they turn out to be as potent as Pilav!

Glad to see all's well with you, my friend!

[greenatik]

hey jake! thanks for the post-harvest comment!

i think pilav has more hair then bud hehe. most of the buds look completely orange due to the hairs. the buds just look like straight pineapple.. which makes me kind of wonder what attributes the lavender exhibited

anyways bro, ill have to stop by your log soon and see how your beans are doin

:jointsmile:

[greenatik]

weighed out at 23 grams. not including a big branch, and about an eighth of small buds previously sampled. would of gotten an ounce. still am satisfied and reached my goal (15 g)

[bickeybammer]

heres my smokke report for pilav... i took a gravity bong hit then a 2 foot bong rip and it tasted reallly sweet and was smoothed until you blew it out... it straight fucked me up.... it was more a sativa high but couldnt move my lower body and my hands but my mind was clear .... it was for sure a upper high and made me stay awake for awhile ... i also watched some family guy after smoking it and couldnt stop laughing ..... for sure some good bud good job greenatik

[greenatik]

Wow, its been a while since I updated these girls.. probably only going to post 2 more updates, 1 in a month, and 1 of the chop :thumbsup:

enjoy, I sure am. they are so sticky and fruity its ridiculous. :hippy:

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[hydrocannabis]

looken good good looken looken good.:D
looken real good.:thumbsup:

[jlve187]

ok here are the pictures. no complaining haha, I have come to realize that these plants aren't going to be nearly as beautiful or healthy looking compared to indoor. whatever, its all natural :jointsmile:

this is one of the best looking ones
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check out all the new nodes on the believed-to-be hermaphrodite
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Did you twist the stem or does it just look like it??

[Joefarmer]

yeah chev is a badass in his last few hours and certainly gets his revenge, but their should of been an antidote - so there could of been a sequel (although he would have to get injected again to suit the theme).

as for the lst outdoors, i have heard that it will definitely increase yield and is worth it. a local grower claims it to be "the only way to grow outdoors - just bend the fucker over and tie it to a stake." He said they can get up to 10-15 ft long - but this is just what I have been hearing. my pictures sure do prove that they love being bent over and receiving that extra light to the stem. my 1 month 4 day plant (from seed) has over a nickel thick stem

this should be interesting for everyone, even if it doesn't turn out better then growing naturally

How is LST different than ScrOg? I've been doing it outdoors with a 3-4 ft length of chicken wire type fencing laid on the ground next to the plant, and just train it to grow along the fence, keeping the main stem under the fence. Works great. Kept em' low and budded nicely.

[greenatik]

wow this thread is back from the dead haha

you hit it on the head the only real difference between lst and scrog is the screen. the screen will probably make it easier to train the plant.

what strain did you run and what was your yield? I wish I could of finished these out but I had to move them and the new spot was restricted on ground space so I let them grow up^^

[Joefarmer]

Just bag seeds. Plants yielded 2-3oz. I went heavy on the leaf pruning all year though for security purposes. So this may have had an effect on the yield. This year I'm doing Blue City Diesel and Purps. They're about 9wks old and have been outside in their 7-10gal pots for 2wks now. Looking real good.

I'm also going to for the first time take cuttings from each, so when I rip out the males I can re-fill those pots with the already rooted female cuttings=much more weed! I'd love to log all of this but am not near 50 posts.