why does my plant look like this.

[hydrocannabis]

the water ph seems to be around 5.8-6.0 but the plant still looks bad to me.

she is a clone from my last dank plant.
and she is under 1 floro light and 1 white cfl light.

so I must still be doing something wrong.

thanks for UR help on this.

[hydrocannabis]

any help on this would be great.

[stinkyattic]

Fill out the troubleshooting form... you know the drill. You have a serious problem but with no clues we can't solve the mystery...

[hydrocannabis]

??

what is on the troubleshooting form?

[dbrown134]

http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-problems/127058-troubleshooting-form-yay-you-know-you-wanted-one.html

[hydrocannabis]

E-indoor or outdoor? indoors

E-soil, soilless, coco, aero, or hydroponic? DWC hydroponic.

E-specific medium. none.

CSL-Soil type/brand. none.

HCL-Hydro/aero/soilless system type? DWC

SCL-Anything you have added to the soil? NA

SCLR-Soil or slab runoff pH. NA

E-Water source? tap water that I ph correct befor adding to my bucket.

E-Source water pH? 5.8-6.0. and I check the ph 3 times a week.

HRT-Source water EC (if hydro)? (?)

E-Age of plant. she is a clone from my last grow. and she is around 2 weeks old. she took a long time to take off with good growth.

E-Type of fertilizer. I'll get back to U on that.

E-Rate of application (if hydro, this is your PPM number, preferably after each component is added). what the hey is a ppm #.

E-Lighting source and distance from plant? 1 floro light and 1 cfl light.

E-Air temperature (both day and night if you are running a dark period)?
lights R on 24-0 and Im not sure of the temps. but there is a good ass fan in there and the lights R around 4-6 inches away from the clone.

HD-Reservoir temperature? ?

E-Air % Relative humidity? I don't no.

E-Lighting schedule? 24-0 untill I can get her into a bush shape befor the set of flowering.

E-Type of ventilation your room has?

TR-Did you pre-soak your media in pH corrected solution? no.



so did I answer enought of the questions?

and the new leafs look good for now.

[zebulon]

You don't have an EC-meter?? You should get one asap imo....:thumbsup:

[hydrocannabis]

what is an ec-meter?

[stinkyattic]

Electrical Conductivity. It tells you how much 'stuff' is in your water. This includes minerals like dissolved limestone and fertilizer that you have added.

Without the information on your fertilizer schedule, air and res temperature, what the medium is that the plants are physically sitting in, and what you are feeding them, I don't know how to even begin troubleshooting that plant...

[hydrocannabis]

ok whatever.:wtf:

[stinkyattic]

Wow, glad I wasted all that time typing out specific questions... Good luck... Get a thermometer... it's like 6 bucks...

[the image reaper]

magnesium deficiency, possibly a little calcium deficient, too ... try using Cal-Mag+, 10ml/gallon, every watering ... :jointsmile:

[hydrocannabis]

Without the information on your fertilizer schedule, air and res temperature, what the medium is that the plants are physically sitting in, and what you are feeding them, I don't know how to even begin troubleshooting that plant...


ok so i'll try to answer these questions the best I can.

the ferts I am using R. for veg I have been using botanicare pure blend pro hydro-organic accelerated vegetative flrmula 3-1.5-4.

and for flowering I am have been useing the general hydroponics florabloom 0-5-4.

and I'll try to get a thermometer to see what the rez water temps R.
the medium is the water I guess.

well I hope answered UR qustions.
and on the + side the new leafs look good so far.
and when I get a chance I might transplant her in to a bigger bucket. but I don't evem know if that will help.

and sorry if I sounded like an a hole befor. I was haveing a bad day.

I was hoping thT I could get my plants/clones to grow as good as treetops plants grew.

[moneyshotpb]

You are using flora bloom alone (without flora micro)?
I think that could lead to problems

[Rusty Trichome]

Hydro...have you gone back and looked at your past grow logs? We did a lot of troubleshooting on your grow last year, perhaps a careful review of those logs will help now...?

(also, you may want to make nicey-nice to Stinky...looks like ya may have ticked her off a bit. :thumbsup:)

[stinkyattic]

I spent a SHITLOAD of time troubleshooting your grows last year, too. I am not trying to be an asshole either, but your plants look worse than they even did last summer. I went back and looked at your old threads, and the amount of information that the members who responded gave you is pretty damn generous!
Really, there are basic, simple ways of growing pot indoors, and you can copy any of a whole mess of successful indoor growers with DETAILED logs posted up. We have all given you so much hand holding that it is super frustrating to see how crappy your plants are still doing- again, I'm not trying to sound bitchy, but I feel like I've been typing to a brick wall, because I see no evidence that you've listened. So indeed I'm ticked off. But whatever; I'm only one of tens of thousands of members here- it's not a big deal. You can get advice from lots of other people.
You NEED micronutes. You NEED a calcium source in your fertilizer if you are not certain that you are getting it from the tap. If you have ANY hydroton in your system (I've seen few DWCs without at least a little), you NEED to pH correct it before introducing plants.
I don't know what else to say. You should get some pictures of your entire system, taken apart as much as you can with the plant in there, showing how the plant is supported, how the water is aerated, how you are ventilating, etc.
Meanwhile, read Latewood's GH 3 part + calmag sticky. Younneed the micro- get it TODAY and immediately do a light foliar feed at about a teaspoon per quart plus one drop liquid dish soap to keep the problem from getting worse. I see evidence of calcium and magnesium deficiency or lockout, adn a crinkliness that screams high pH to me.

[Rusty Trichome]

Would also strongly recommend picking one method of growing, or the other.
Would concentrate on that method till you figure-out how to complete a sucessful, stress-free grow. Jumping back-n-forth and combining techniques is confusing and obviously not working. Eliminate one of the two methods, and theoretically you'll lose half the problems, lol.

[hydrocannabis]

well after she almost died. she is starting to come back a bit.

so I don't know what I did or didn't do that almost killed my clone.


and I don't know what I can do to make her come back fully and bushy.

[Rusty Trichome]

The possibility that you've made the same mistakes before, are apparently pretty high. Would strongly recommend you look through your last years grow log, where we walked you through your problems, step by step.
Pick one method of growing, and stick with it till you no longer need assistance. If you can't decide on which method to use, go with soil, and get the proper meters to better monitor your grow. IMHO, it's the easiest and most forgiving method for beginners.

Like Charles Emerson Winchester III (one of the surgeons on M.A.S.H) said..."I do one thing, I do it well, then I move on..." This is a very sound policy.
Perhaps a little diary of what you do, when you do it, and how much you do, would help. It would make it easier to see a pattern of "cause and effect".
Perhaps a steady nute/watering schedule, and not just treating what 'might' be the problem.
Perhaps writing down the problem, and then writing down the answers you get? You can start your own "troubleshooting guide", specifically designed for you.

You'll have to pull it together, Hydro. If what you are doing is not working, please...try something else. This is a learning process, and you are going to have to focus. (or get held back a grade) :stoned:

[Dutch Pimp]

"Trying is the first step toward failure"-Homer J. Simpson

"Failure is not an option"-NASA, Apollo Space Mission

[Rusty Trichome]

"Insanity - Doing the same thing, expecting different results" (A.A. meeting)

[hydrocannabis]

So I need to write a diary hu.ok

ok so on my last 2 grows I was useing UN PHed tap water through the whole grow.because I didn't have a ph yester to use.

and both the plants on my last grow came out good to very very dank.
then on the grow just befor that 1 there was 2 more plants that did great if they didn't get seeded.

and all of them got un phed tap water to drink there whole life.

then I had taken a clone from my dank indy plant 3 weeks into flowering. put it in a nother dwc thig I built. this time with ph corrected tap water. and she and my seedlings R dieing.

my tap water is 7.9-8.0 ph.
and now that I am phing my water it came out to be 5.9-6.0 ph.

so I don't know what to make of this.

[Weedhound]

Hydro unfortunatley with such a system this is exactly the problem......because you didn't test and check all your parameters before you now don't know what will work for you.....because without testing you can't even know what numbers worked for you before. To ask everyone to troubleshoot your un-ph'd tap water isn't going to get you very far.....I for one would never have put so much of my time, energy and money into a grow without at least a good ph and ppm tester. That's just begging for an issue imo.