Situation... Outlook good?

[Crazyeyd]

Okay, well, I am about 5'2" and maybe 160-175 lbs (I just had a baby a few months back and I don't use scales, but I am overweight)... I smoke heavily (at least 3-5 times a day) for about 6 months now... I will almost definitely have a urine test after I go to court on the 29th for a show cause (why I didn't return to ASAP after having my baby...) Anyway... I originally bought The Strip... but I just can't/don't want to quit smoking for an entire week. I think I could do it a couple days before.... Anyway... I think I'm going to keep taking the pills (the head at the shop said if I took them I would DEFINITELY be clean... but you HAVE to quit)... and then I think I'm just gonna follow the dilution thread and probably stop by the shop and pick up some kind of drink...

Will any of these methods interfere with the other... and does it seem likely that I will pass?


EDIT: Excuse the lack of posts, but I Just joined today after reading the dilution thread and I am a serious anxiety freak (hence the heavy smoking) so I'm terribly nervous... thought someone may be able to help/lend advice..

[killerweed420]

These detox drinks are very unreliable. Had a friend last week that tried one from the local smoke shop and he failed too.
Synthetic urine is the way to go.

[Jerry G]

Strip drink just dilutes. The pills do nothing.

Think about your kid. Quit smoking today. Follow the dilution sticky to a tee. You probably will pass.

A smoker like you will probably not pass with a few days clean, you are going to need at least a week. Buy some home tests to see how you are progressing.

I not just running my mouth here, I quit after being a 30 year chronic user of the best bud(Ya think that was easy?). I did it to retain custody of my kid.

Don't fuck up, probation will be over, and then you can smoke as much as you would like.

[Jerry G]

These detox drinks are very unreliable. Had a friend last week that tried one from the local smoke shop and he failed too.
Synthetic urine is the way to go.

I agree if she is not observed, but this is for court...

[Crazyeyd]

I agree if she is not observed, but this is for court...

Right, I have synthetic, but I'm afraid I might be observed.

I wish I felt like I could quit, but I don't have benefits to go to a doctor and have them prescribe me some kind of anti-anxiety medicine. Without bud I feel anxious, edgy, irritable, worrisome, paranoid, restless....

Anyway, it's like, 6 pills for 7 days and this old guy seemed to REALLY have knowledge on his MANY products... I just really don't want to quit for that long :(

Then I figured if I follow the dilution thread carefully and use a drink AND the pills, I might stand a good chance of passing. My husband and I both smoke, so it's hard to get away from... They test it right there... I believe it seems to be the same kind of test you can buy at the drug store. Perhaps I will try the dilution method a few days before and take a home test...

[Jerry G]

I'm an old guy, I really know my shit, and I'm not trying to make a sale.

The reason the pill and the drink work together, is that a week is long enough time for many people to dilute successfuly. I don't think a week will be long enough for you. Only a trial run will tell.

Tell your husband to quit being selfish and to support you in this time of need.

I didn't take anything extra when I quit but an over the counter sleeping pill the first few nights. Oh, that and a glass of wine or two.

Hell, you quit for nine months when you were pregenant didn't you. This should be a piece of cake.

[Crazyeyd]

I'm an old guy, I really know my shit, and I'm not trying to make a sale.

The reason the pill and the drink work together, is that a week is long enough time for many people to dilute successfuly. I don't think a week will be long enough for you. Only a trial run will tell.

Tell your husband to quit being selfish and to support you in this time of need.

I didn't take anything extra when I quit but an over the counter sleeping pill the first few nights. Oh, that and a glass of wine or two.

Hell, you quit for nine months when you were pregenant didn't you. This should be a piece of cake.

I suppose you're right.... I did quit then, and I will still have to complete the program so I do HAVE to quit (unless I want to keep taking the risk...) but I still have to pass the test on the 29th... I found out about this court date at the end of last week, so I didn't even have a full month to try and detox....I hope lots of water, the products, and quitting for a week will help then

[TebitEvas]

Try to get your money back. ALL the products the "wise man" at the head shop tried to sell you are crap. He is no more than a salesman that will tell you exactly what is on the label and swear it works. The dilution sticky along with a healthy diet and excerise up until a couple days b4 the test are the only things that will benefit you. I repeat ... ALL THE PRODUCTS ARE CRAP... pills and drinks. Only effective product is a sub.

[slantedeyes]

Those detox drinks are the biggest ripoff. Many have stilled failed using them. The only sure thing is quick fix as long as you have the temp right. I am very concerned with your smoking habits. You really need to quit immediately if you want any chance of passing even using the dilution method. I would recommend subbing for sure.

[Crazyeyd]

I'm not sure I can get by with subbing... it's for court, otherwise I would, I already have QF.

I'm hoping I won't get tested at all...


What are the odds they are going to send me to test after court for a show cause for not returning to alcohol awareness program... (after failing initial drug screen a year ago when admitted to program)...?


It's not guaranteed they are going to require me to drug test, I'm just worried they might.

[Jerry G]

Babe, you are playing with fire...

[psykitty23]

part of the journey of being a mother is the fact that when a baby comes into our lives there are certain sacrifices that need to be made... perhaps you need to re-evaluate whats more important, a habit or the health or your child.
that being said,
i certainly hope for the sake of your baby´s development that you arent breastfeeding... !!!
im not condemning the fact that you like toke, i think that goes without saying for all of us in this forum,
but what in the world are you doing smoking that much when you have a BABY you should be focusing on instead of getting high?!

"I wish I felt like I could quit, but I don't have benefits to go to a doctor and have them prescribe me some kind of anti-anxiety medicine. Without bud I feel anxious, edgy, irritable, worrisome, paranoid, restless...."

didnt you quit when you were pregnant?
what is making it so hard now that this new life is here?
anti-anxiety meds only cover up the anxiety.
you need to take a deep and honest look at yourself and find the roots to what is causing you to feel anxious, worried etc.
yoga works wonders. find a new hobby or something...

with something a serious as a court case and an infant in the house...those two things should be enough to want to stay clean...

the only 100% fullproof way to test clean is to stay clean.

[Burnt Toast]

part of the journey of being a mother is the fact that when a baby comes into our lives there are certain sacrifices that need to be made... perhaps you need to re-evaluate whats more important, a habit or the health or your child.
that being said,
i certainly hope for the sake of your baby´s development that you arent breastfeeding... !!!
Apparently you missed the fact that there is no evidence that cannabis use by nursing mothers is detrimental in any way to a developing baby. Perhaps you need to do your research before you start your soapbox mongering. Here, I'll save you the time.....



Originally Posted by Pediatrics, February 1994, Volume 93, Number 2, pp. 254-260.
Participants. Twenty-four Jamaican neonates exposed to marijuana prenatally and 20 nonexposed neonates.

Measurements and main results. Exposed and nonexposed neonates were compared at 3 days and 1 month old, using the Brazelton Neonatal Assessment Scale, including supplementary items to capture possible subtle effects. There were no significant differences between exposed and nonexposed neonates on day 3. At 1 month, the exposed neonates showed better physiological stability and required less examiner facilitation to reach organized states. The neonates of heavy-marijuana-using mothers had better scores on autonomic stability, quality of alertness, irritability, and self-regulation and were judged to be more rewarding for caregivers.

Conclusions. The absence of any differences between the exposed on nonexposed groups in the early neonatal period suggest that the better scores of exposed neonates at 1 month are traceable to the cultural positioning and social and economic characteristics of mothers using marijuana that select for the use of marijuana but also promote neonatal development.

Pediatrics 1994;93:254-260; prenatal marijuana exposure, neonatal outcomes, Jamaica, Brazelton scale supplementary items.

Here's some more for ya:



A second study reported a threefold grater risk of rhabdomyosarcoma. These calculations were based on women's reports that they used marijuana at some point during pregnancy. In the first study, ten out of the 204 case-group mothers (5 percent) reported marijuana use, compared to one out of the 204 control group mothers (0.5 percent). In the second study, 8 percent of case group mothers reported using marijuana, compared to 4.3 percent of controls.

These studies to not prove that marijuana use by pregnant women causes cancer in their children. They report a statistical association based solely on women's self-reports of marijuana use. It is likely that both groups of mothers underreported marijuana use; in other studies, researchers have found that marijuana use by pregnant women typically ranges from 10 to 30 percent. There is reason to suspect greater underreporting by control-group mothers, who were randomly selected and questioned about their marijuana use on the telephone. Because the mothers of the sick children were trying to help researchers identify the cause of their children's disease, they had more reason to be honest about their illegal drug use.

And some more...




In one study, children of ganja-using mothers were tested and compared with children of non-ganja using mothers. Tests were conducted when the children were 1, 3, and 30 days old, and at ages four and five.

No statistically significant differences in developmental abilities were found, except that the 30-day test showed that children of ganja-using mothers were superior to children of non-ganja mothers in two ways. These children had better organization and modulation of sleeping and waking, and they were less prone to stress-related anxiety.

The release of these study results was considered politically incorrect by anti-marijuana factions in government and academia, because they so directly contradicted the oft-repeated assertion that prenatal marijuana use hurts children and that marijuana users were poor mothers. Dreher's studies found the opposite: ganja mothers were often better mothers than their non-ganja using counterparts. Their households were often cleaner, better-funded and more fun than those where cannabis was shunned!

Eh, some more...





Ganja is also used as a strength-enhancing potion to enable children to perform arduous tasks. The use of ganja to increase work performance is a common theme in Jamaican ganja culture; men use it to help them survive in the torrid sugar cane fields, women use it to give them strength to do lots of tiring household chores by hand.

Ganja mothers also believe that ganja helps their children perform better in school. Ganja does this by increasing children's ability to concentrate on schoolwork, to pay attention to what the teacher is saying, not to be distracted by school mates or the activities of other classes, to sit quietly in class, to complete homework even when tired, and to handle the stress of examinations. Jamaican women refer to ganja as "Wisdom Weed," and as the king of bush teas which had sometimes saved lives when doctors were unavailable.

Ganja women have two primary methods for preparing ganja infusions consumed by children. Ganja tea is made by boiling or steeping leaves and stems, then adding large quantities of sugar and, sometimes, milk. Flavor-rich ingredients such as anise or mint are sometimes added to teas to disguise their taste; family members are sometimes unaware that they are consuming ganja tea. This also lends more credibility to Dreher's findings because it eliminates the placebo effect which can occur when people have been told that they have ingested a drug.

[...]

"I don't want to belittle the problems or concerns of North American parents who worry about drug use among children," Dreher continued, "but it's very possible that marijuana is being blamed for problems it has nothing to do with such as poor nutrition, societal decay, lackluster schools, and incompetent parenting. We need to be very careful not to ignore the social setting and ideology that surrounds substance use in different societies when we attempt to evaluate how a drug affects people or society. My Jamaican studies indicate that, in the case of marijuana, we might want to re-examine our assumptions and myths, especially when they contradict reality."

...and...




A new study of children born to Marijuana-smoking mothers found no link between Marijuana exposure and the birth defects of fetal alcohol syndrome (FAS). The new study, by Dr. Susan J. Astley of the University of Washington, published in the January, 1992 issue of Pediatrics, contradicted a 1982 study by Dr. Ralph Hingson, in which prenatal exposure to Marijuana was found to increase the risk of FAS.

...and...



Marijuana has little evidence implicating it in fetal harm, unlike alcohol, cocaine or tobacco. Epidemiological studies have found no evident link between prenatal use of Marijuana and birth defects in humans. A recent study by Dr. Susan Astley at the University of Washington refuted an earlier work suggesting that cannabis might cause fetal alcohol syndrome.

...and...



A well-controlled study found that cannabis use had a positive impact on birthweight during the third trimester of pregnancy with no adverse behavioral consequences. Another study of Jamaican women who had smoked pot throughout pregnancy found that their babies registered higher on developmental scores at the age of 30 days, while experiencing no significant effects on birthweight or length.

...and.....




Cognitive and receptive language development were examined in 135 60-month-old and 137 72-month-old children for whom prenatal exposure to Marijuana, cigarettes, and alcohol had been ascertained. Discriminant Function analysis revealed an association between prenatal cigarette exposure and lower cognitive and receptive language scores at 60 and 72 months. This paralleled and extended observations made with this sample at annual assessments at 12 to 48 months of age. Unlike observations made at 48 months, prenatal exposure to Marijuana was not associated with the cognitive and verbal outcomes.

...and...



Children whose mothers smoked during pregnancy had somewhat higher adjusted Raven and PPVT scores than children of nonsmokers, although they did not differ in their activity level.â?� In other words, children whose mothers smoked during pregnancy did somewhat better on standard cognitive development tests than children of nonsmokers.


....For the record, I don't think cannabis is bad for children, mothers who are pregnant, or developing babies. Why would something nontoxic that is not harmful to adults all of a sudden be harmful for children?
You're yet another individual who's falling into the trap of the prohibitionists who cry "IT'S FOR THE CHILDREN!"

Education. Such a great thing.;)

[Jerry G]

BT,

How many kids do you have?

Regards--JG

[Burnt Toast]

2 grown children and 3 grandchildren. :)

[Jerry G]

Then you have the right to feel the way you do.

I don't totally agree with you, but we are both big boys and can draw our own conclusions in life.

I can't say the same same of the OP given her decision making so far...

[killerweed420]

crazyeyd. Women have a better chance of subbing than us guys. You have a natural place to hide the bottle of urine and no worries about the temp being right. You just need to practice. Noise will be the main issue. QF has a alittle flip spout that you can open with a finger nail, but you have to be careful after squeezing to release the pressure on the bottle gently so that it doesn't make a sucking noise.

[Burnt Toast]

Then you have the right to feel the way you do.

I don't totally agree with you, but we are both big boys and can draw our own conclusions in life.

I can't say the same same of the OP given her decision making so far...

What I feel does not matter. What matters are the facts. And the fact is that there is not a shred of evidence to prove that cannabis is detrimental in any way to the health of developing babies.
With that being stated, getting on a soapbox and condemning nursing mothers to hell for using cannabis screams that the perpetrator(s) dont have a clue of what they are talking about.

[Jerry G]

That's one study, 14 years old.

I would not want the mother of my child injesting booze, pot or tobacco during pregnancy.

I think everyone should choose for themselves what recreational substances they are subject to. Babies unborn or nursing aren't getting that choice if their mother is using.

[Burnt Toast]

That's one study, 14 years old.
One 14 year old study that still carries relevance to this day. And there have been many, many more studies surrounding this. Frankly, I dont have the time or energy to fill up the forum with it.

However, I do want to add something here -- based on unimpeachable empirical evidence...:jointsmile:

About -- oh 35-40 years ago, we had a little something called Hippies. A whole generation of them. They smoked a lot of pot (they did various other things too).

Now they were say about 15 to 29 back them ("Dont trust anyone over 30" was their motto) which makes them about 50 to 64 now with kids who are in their teens late teens and 20's and even early 30's. Yup the whole Generation X group.

You know all that free-love? Babies. Lots of babies. And you know something? The Maternity Wards didn't have an influx of "pot-babies" during the 70's and 80's.

If pot effected babies, that's when it would have been noticed and the government would have climbed all over it -- it was the days of Nancy Reagan and "Just Say No" and Eggs Frying with your "brain on drugs" (which of course just made us all have an instant case of the munchies).

And at the risk of swerving into off-topic territory, let me add another bit of info (mods-feel free to delete if not in compliance) - All those crack cocaine babies from 80's? Seems it wasn't the crack or the withdrawl that was their problem, it was lack of nutrition and pre-natal care for their Moms, who were afraid to seek help from the state because they were hooked on crack... Malnourished mothers and poor prenatal care is the leading cause of infant mortality, brain damage, and disability.

Just a thought to be known :smokin:

[Crazyeyd]

Yes, I quit while I was pregnant. I suppose it's hard to quit now because I don't want to. I didn't EXPECT this court situation to be quite honest, and obviously, I DO want to do what's best for my child. I personally don't see anything wrong with smoking. I don't smoke around my child... and even if I am a bit stoned while watching Noggin with her, I don't think that's hurting her either. Most of the time I choose to toke is when she is sleeping. Either way, you can choose to judge my actions whatever way you want, but basically I just wanted advice about a drug test that MAY or MAY NOT happen that I was not given ample time to prepare for by quitting. Obviously, now that I know about it, and the likelihood of more tests, I will be quitting, but I still might have a test to pass, and since I DO want to be around for my child, I'm just looking into the likelihood of me actually passing it.

Oh, and for the record, I don't breastfeed, and I couldn't because I had a very bad childbirth and was left with a gaping open c-section which meant I had to be on pain medicine for a while.

And I'm not the only mother in the world that smokes pot either. In fact, I am almost willing to bet a good percentage of mommies out there smoke.

Oh, and for the person who gave me "advice" on having anxiety. If you think that picking up a hobby just relieves the severe anxiety that some people have then you have no clue what real anxiety is like. There are people out there that are consumed with worry and paranoia all day long. I care about my daughter so little that I am constantly thinking things like "If we go out in the car today, what if someone hits us and she gets hurt?" "If I leave her in the swing while I go to the bathroom for a few minutes can she wriggle out and hurt herself?" "If I give my daughter this biter biscuit, is she going to somehow start choking and I won't be able to dislodge whatever food is in there?" etc. etc. etc.

Anyway, I started the thread to ask a question, not receive lectures about how I'm a terrible mother or advice about how to be a better mom.... My daughter is loved more than a lot of kids out there...