Happy 420! CFL First Day Flowering

[AliceDee]

This is my first grow from seed to harvest. I'm just using bagseed this first time around though.

I have 3 females out of 5 seeds that I germinated. I vegged them for about 6 weeks and flowering started today! - 420 :jointsmile:

The cab setup is a 3.5ft tall, 2ft long, 2.5ft wide plywood box painted with 4 coats of flat white paint. The lights are all 23 watt CFLs. There are 4 lights that hang up top along with 3 lights on each side. So in total 10 lights all 2700k for flowering and I switch them out with 10 6500k for vegging. There are 2 smaller (60mm?) computer fans and 1 larger (110mm?) computer fan up top pulling air out of the box. Also there are 2 4 inch fans blowing directly on the plants. The intake is 1 4 inch venting pulling in fresh air from outside and a 2in pvc pipe on the side of the box.

Temps are 73-78F during the "day" and 68-72F during "night". Humidity is around 40% most of the time.

2 plants are in 3 gallon pots and 1 is in a kitty litter bucket. The dirt was a mix of: MG Organic Choice, Expert Gardeners Organic Soil, 10lbs Worm Castings, Blood Meal, Bone Meal, and Perlite. I attempted to FIM 2 of them but I'm not sure I cut low enough, and I LST'd all 3 of them.

Here's the pics of the first plant -

[AliceDee]

And the second plant -

[AliceDee]

And the 3rd -

Thanks for looking! Have a great 420 everyone! :rastasmoke:

[Cede2Weed]

Looking good, Alice. Can't wait to watch these girls fill out! :thumbsup:

[zebulon]

Wow....beautiful plants, and nice LST job...:thumbsup: i have a feeling this will be a gr8 log....
I'll be watching, if you have any questions and gonna try to help....good luck...:hippy:

[AliceDee]

Now on day 4 and seeing pistils starting to come out. I plan on updating this log with pics weekly.

I've been feeding Schultz 10-15-10 plant food weekly to the soil at recommended strength and also foilar feeding once a week at 50% strength. Will I have to worry about burning if I continue to do this or will they be fine? It's all I have as far as nutes go unfortunately.

[AliceDee]

Day 8: Fed them today with schultz at full dosage.

The plant with the bigger leaves is starting to develop a nice aroma but the other 2 don't really smell yet. The pistils are coming in nice on all 3. :D

There's a picture of the box setup in the 3rd set of pics. You think I'll be able to fit all 3 in there till the end? There all LSTd and this is only the beginning of week 2.

[AliceDee]

2nd plant -

[AliceDee]

Hopefully I can put pics in the post itself soon lol.

3rd plant -

[zebulon]

Hey AliceDee....first of all, nice job whit that lst....i think that cab will be too small for 3 plants...it's not too good if the buds come too close to the lamps....you will need to tie the branches down, if you don't want that the plants get burned....if they get burnt, it will cause stress, and stress can cause hermaphrodites....it will be a bit crowded...

I have a question...is this schultz stuff organic?? You should get some organic bloom fert for flowering imo....

[AliceDee]

I keep the lights 1+ inches away from the plants, and theres air circulating around so i think there ok, but i used taped to hold one up in the back and it fell and burnt a couple leafs but it was still early, but now there all secure. :thumbsup:

Schultz is not organic but it is all I can find around here. It does have micronutrients though.

I don't know what I'm going to do about my space restrictions. :(

[whoreable]

sweet shit, I got a log going.

I want to do the same, already LST'ing and it looks real bushy like yours.

:rastasmoke:

[justanotherbozo]

nice work Alice, keep it up ! BTW, from everything i've read, the plants need BOTH red and blue for all stages in it's life cycle, it just wants more blue during veg and more red during flower to mimic the sun during spring and fall. i'm attaching a file i got somewhere else that might help.

apparently, i'm too new here to post any attachments so i'm gonna cut and paste it


Growing Lighting Types and Intensities
Lumen
A unit of measurement of the total flow of light which is emitted continually from a source. One lumen is equal to the flow of light which is emitted from a very small wax candle.
The common 40 Watt incandescent bulb emits some 400 lm (lumen). So the efficiency of that bulb is 400lm/40Watt= 10 lm/watt.
LUX
= lm/m2, the intensity of light which falls on a surface.
Colour Temperature
- measured in degrees Kelvin, the color of a light's output in relationship to the degree of heat applied to produce the specified colour of light. Daylight is measured around 5000 degrees kelvin
If we direct all light from our 40 Watt lamp towards a floor area of 1 square meter the intensity of light on that area will be 400 lux, (400 lumen distributed over 1 square meter, 400/1 lm/m2 = 400 lux,) which is a little better than moonlight, but far away from the sunlight intensities we need for growing plants.
The sun gives some 50 000 lm/m2 = 50 000 lux at the earth surface on a clear summerday. See the table below.
The 40 Watt incandescent lamp is not only too weak for growing plants, it also has too little blue in its spectrum and is far too inefficient. Fluoroscent tubes and HPS and MH lamps are the better choices.
Cannabis needs 24 hours of strong light for the first 4-6 weeks of vegetative growth. Then it needs 2 months of 12/12 hours of strong light and very dark, to flower and ripen. If they get less than 30000 lux they will still grow vegetatively but slower. And they will flower less, if at all.



Light Requirements of "High Energy" Plants
1000 - 5000 lux Min. necessary for life
10000 - 15000 lux Min. necessary for consistent but sparse growth
20000 - 25000 lux Min. necessary for robust growth

25000 - 30000 lux Max. Efficiency for Sub Tropical varieties
25000 - 50000 lux Max. Efficiency for Equatorial varieties
Plants need 25000-50000 lux too grow fast.

90000 lux Max. Sunlight Intensity on Earth's surface This is too much light, it is not good for the plant.
Plants subject to intensities at this level or greater are at risk of "solarization," whereby photosynthesis is retarded. This can happen at noon on a clear Tropical summer day, especially at high altitudes.

140000 lux Sunlight above atmosphere (Solar Constant)

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More advanced theory: Scientific, but has many answers about how and why.

Air Temperatures between 23C (70F) and 32C (90F) are ideal for growth; beyond 35C (95F) can adversely affect plants, retarding photosynthesis, and, in extreme cases, can cause leaf burn if a radiant heat source is nearby.

Calculating with lumen, lux and efficiency:
The cheapest and easiest solution to the beginner is to use fluoroscent tubes. The usual ones are 120 cm (48") long, and give at best 4000 lumen.
*****Ed Note: If you care to get a light meter and measure the light from various distances to your flouros, you'll see immediately that you will want to keep the lights as close to the top of your plants as possible. *****
Your grow room must have at least these dimensions: 140 cm high (these plants get big, 180 cm is better, 120 cm long (to accomodate for the tubes), and wide enough, let's say 60cm (2 feet). The easiest is to build an extra wall, made of silver tarpaulin or wood. This wall is placed 60 cm from a real wall, to create a space of say 200*260*60cm for use as a greenhouse or rather two. Build the wall and divide the space up into two small rooms. Make some type of opening, so you can take care of your plants later. Put in ventilation and cover all inside surfaces with al-foil using a stapler. We want the light to bounce around in there until it finds a green leaf to do its work in. As much light as possible is needed for the growth of the plants. The ventilation consists of a 12Volt fan which pushes the warm air from the green house through a plastic tube which ends outside the house to let the warm moist and odors out. Instead of a fake wall you can disguise the green house as a very big bass speaker, stereo wall, tv-stand, cupboard or whatever.
Buy the fluoros in ready-made units or do it yourself like this:
Buy the bare necessities to put up fluoros, that is reactors, lighters, tube holders, lighter holders, wire.7mm, capacitors and connectors.

Most of these devices have pushcontacts, that means you don't have to solder or screw much, just strip off the insulation from the cable and push it in.
Put up as many tubes as possible in the ceiling of the green house. You might be able to get 6 tubes into every green house half. Every green house has a floor area of 0.60m*1.30m=0.78m2 With 6*4000 lumen you get 24000lumen. Divide by 24000lm with 0.78m2 to get 31000 lux, which is good enough.
Use hanging mounts for the tubes, they are cheapest and easiest to use. They also make it easier to pack the tubes densely in the cieling or hanging at different levels, hanging only in the thin electric cables. If you manage to get 10 tubes into the top of the green house you get 40000lm/0.78m2= 51300 lux in there.
As another example, let's take one of the most popular hps grow bulbs:

Lumen Watt lm/watt Kelvin Hours Manufacturer, Name
53,000 430 123.3 2000 16k Philips, SON T AGRO
The Son-T-Agro gives out 53000 lumen. If we use a reflector to direct all of that light towards a floor area of 2 m2 we get a light intensity on that area of 53000 lumen/2 m2, which is 26500 lumen/m2 (=lux)
We can see in table 3 above that it fits in: "25000 - 30000 lux =Max. Efficiency for Sub Tropical varieties".
We add some daylight fluoros, 6 fluoros a 4000 lumen=24000 lumen. Divide by floor area 2 m2 to get =12000lumen/m2=12000lux
Together the hps and the fluoros give 26500+12000=38500lux in the 2 m2 big grow room. see table 3: 25000 - 50000 lux Max. Efficiency for Equatorial varieties.
This combination will draw 430Watt+6*40Watt+100Watt in the ballast units, total =530+240=770Watt of electricity.
Our total efficiency is 53 000 + 24 000 lm divided with 770 Watt, which is 77 000 lumen /770 Watt = 100 lm/Watt
At 38500 lux we have an illumination which is optimal for growth,

Illumination Chart
Light Intensity (lux) as a Function of Area Illuminated (m2)
Light Source lumens 1.0 m2 1.5 m2 2.0 m2 2.5 m2 3.0 m2 3.5 m2 4.0 m2
1000W HPS 140000 -- -- 70000 56000 46700 40000 35000
600W HPS 90000 -- 60000 45000 36000 30000 25700 22500
400W HPS 50000 50000 33300 25000 20000 -- -- --
250W HPS 29000 29000 19300 -- -- -- -- --

1000W MH 115000 -- -- 57500 46000 38300 32900 28800
400W MH 40000 40000 26700 20000 -- -- -- --
For example, from this chart we can see that a 600W HPS used to illuminate an area of 2.5 m2 will result in a lighting intensity of 36000 lux. Note that this presumes that a reflector is being used so that all the light is being directed towards this 2.5 m2 area.

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LIGHT BULB PRODUCT LIST
HPS Conversion
Lumen Watt lm/watt Kelvin Hours Manufacturer, Name
40,500 360 112.5 1900 24k Philips C150S63/RETROLUX
23,000 215 106.9 1900 24k Philips C215S65/RETROLUX
15,000 150 100 1900 24k Philips C260S64/RETROLUX

High Presssure Sodium (HPS) bulbs
Lumen Watt lm/watt Kelvin Hours Manufacturer, Name
140000 1000 140.0 2100 24000 Philips C1000S52 Ceramalux
130000 1000 130.0 2100 24000 Sylvania LU1000 Lumalux
130000 940 138.3 2100 24000 IwasakiEyeSunluxUltraAceMHcnv)
90000 600 150.0 2100 24000 Philips C600S106 Ceramalux
84000 600 140.0 2100 18000 Sylvania LU600 Planta
53000 430 123.3 2100 16000 Philips Son T Agro 430W
51500 430 119.8 2100 18000 Sylvania LU430 Planta
50000 400 125.0 2100 24000 Philips C400S51 Ceramalux
50000 400 125.0 2100 24000 Sylvania LU400 Lumalux
47500 360 131.9 2100 24000 Philips C360S51/EW Ceramalux
45000 360 125.0 2100 24000 IwasakiEyeSunluxUltraAceMHcnv)
29000 250 116.0 2100 24000 Sylvania LU250 Lumalux
28500 250 114.0 2100 24000 Philips C250S50 Ceramalux
27500 225 122.2 2100 24000 Philips C225S50/EW Ceramalux
22000 200 110.0 <2100 24000 Sylvania LU200 Lumalux
16000 150 106.7 <2100 24000 Sylvania LU150 Lumalux
6300 70 90.0 <2100 24000 Sylvania LU70 Lumalux

MasterColor (MH)
Lumen Watt lm/watt Kelvin Hours Manufacturer, Name
6200 70 88.6 3000 7500 Philips CDM70/U/M
6200 70 88.6 3000 7500 Philips CDM70/C/U/M
9500 100 95 3000 10k Philips CDM100/V/M
9200 100 92 3000 10k Philips CDM100/C/V/M

Metal Halide (MH) bulbs
Lumen Watt lm/watt Kelvin Hours Manufacturer, Name
125000 1000 125.0 4200 12000 Iwasaki MH BSX/BU 1000
115000 1000 115.0 4000 12000 Sylvania MS1000/BU SupMetalarc
115000 1000 115.0 3400 12000 Sylvania MS1000/C/BUSupMetalarc
111000 1000 125.0 3700 10000 Philips MH1000/U/BT37
40000 400 100.0 4300 20000 Philips MS400/HOR
40000 400 100.0 5000 20000 Philips 5K High Output Metal Halide
39000 400 97.5 4200 20000 Sylvania MS400/HOR SupMetalarc
38000 400 95.0 4200 20000 Iwasaki MH 400 Eye Sunlux
38000 400 95.0 3800 20000 SylvaniaMS400/C/HOR SupMetalarc
34500 400 86.3 3200 20000 Sylvania MS400/3K/HOR Super

Metalarc
Lumen Watt lm/watt Kelvin Hours Manufacturer, Name
23000 250 92.0 4300 10000 Philips MS250/HOR
23000 250 92.0 4200 10000 Sylvania MS250/HOR SupMetalarc
22000 250 88.0 3800 10000 Sylvania MS250/C/HORSuMetalarc
18000 250 72.0 3200 10000 Sylvania MS250/3K/HOR Super

Metalarc
Lumen Watt lm/watt Kelvin Hours Manufacturer, Name
15000 175 85.7 4300 10000 Philips MS175/HOR
15000 175 85.7 4200 7500 Sylvania MS175/HOR SupMetalarc
15000 175 85.7 3800 7500 Sylvania MS175/C/HORSMetalarc
15000 175 74.3 3200 7500 Sylvania MS175/3K/HOR Super

Metalarc
Lumen Watt lm/watt Kelvin Hours Manufacturer, Name
9300 100 93.0 4200 7500 Philips 4K Master Color ED-17
8500 100 85.0 3200 10000 Philips MS100/BU/BD/M/3K
7800 100 78.0 4300 10000 Philips MH100/U/ED28/HR
6800 100 68.0 4200 7500 Philips 4K Master Color PAR-38

Flourescent tubes, 48"
Lumen Watt lm/watt Kelvin Hours Manufacturer, Name
4400 60 73.3 3000 12000 Sylvania F48T12/D830/HODesigner
4250 60 70.8 4100 12000 Sylvania F48T12/D41/HO Designer
4250 60 70.8 3500 12000 Sylvania F48T12/D35/HO Designer
4250 60 70.8 4100 12000 Philips F48T12/SPEC41/HO
4250 60 70.8 3500 12000 Philips F48T12/SPEC35/HO
4250 60 70.8 3000 12000 Philips F48T12/SPEC30/HO
3700 40 92.5 5000 24000 Philips F40/AX50 Advantage X
3700 40 92.5 4100 24000 Philips F40/AX41 Advantage X
3700 40 92.5 3500 24000 Philips F40/AX35 Advantage X
3700 40 92.5 3000 24000 Philips F40/AX35 Advantage X
3600 40 90.0 5000 24000 Philips F40T12/ADV50/ALTO
3600 40 90.0 4100 24000 Philips F40T12/ADV41/ALTO
3600 40 90.0 3500 24000 Philips F40T12/ADV35/ALTO
3600 40 90.0 3000 24000 Philips F40T12/ADV30/ALTO
3500 40 87.5 4100 20000 GE Staybright
3500 40 87.5 3500 20000 GE Staybright
3500 40 87.5 3000 20000 GE Staybright
3400 60 56.6 6500 12000 Philips F48T12/D/HODaylight
3300 40 82.5 3000 20000 Philips F40T12HomeLightWarm
3300 40 82.5 4100 20000 Sylvania F40/D841 Desi800
3300 40 82.5 3500 20000 Sylvania F40/D835 Desi800
3300 40 82.5 3000 20000 Sylvania F40/D830 Desi800
3300 40 82.5 4100 20000 Philips F40/41U Ultralume
3300 40 82.5 3500 20000 Philips F40/35U Ultralume
3300 40 82.5 3000 20000 Philips F40/30U Ultralume
3280 40 82.0 5000 20000 Philips F40/50U Ultralume
3200 40 80.0 4100 20000 Philips F40T12HomeLightCool
3200 40 80.0 3500 20000 Philips F40T12HomeLightWarm
3000 40 75.0 6500 20000 Sylvania F40/D865 Design800
2325 40 58.1 6500 20000 Philips F40DXDaylightDeluxe
2250 40 56.3 5000 20000 GE F40/SUNSunshineFullSp
1900 40 47.5 3050 20000 GE F40PL/AQ/WS Plant&Aquarium
1875 40 46.9 3400 20000 Sylvania F40GRO/WS Gro-Lux
1600 40 40.0 na 20000 Philips Agro-Lite
800 40 20.0 6750 20000 GE F40PL Gro & Sho

Mercury Vapor bulbs
Lumen Watt lm/watt Kelvin Hours Manufacturer, Name
60500 1000 60.5 4300 24000 SylvaniaH36GW-1000/DXBrWhDlx
23000 400 57.5 3500 24000 SylvaniaH33GL-400/N Warmtone
22000 400 55.0 4300 24000 SylvaniaH33GL-400/DX BrWhDlx
13000 250 52.0 3500 24000 SylvaniaH37KC-250/N Warmtone
12500 250 50.0 4300 24000 SylvaniaH37KC-250/DX BrWhDlx
8900 175 50.9 <3500 24000 SylvaniaH39KC-175/N Warmtone
8400 175 48.0 <4300 24000 SylvaniaH39KC-175/DX BrWhDlx
4500 100 45.0 <3500 24000 SylvaniaH38JA-100/N Warmtone
4100 100 41.0 <4300 24000 SylvaniaH38JA-100/DX BrWhDlx

Tungsten Halogen Quartz double end lamps
Lumen Watt lm/watt Kelvin Hours Manufacturer, Name
22000 1000 22.0 <3200 2000 Sylvania 1000T3Q/CL
21000 1000 21.0 <3200 3000 Philips 1000T3Q/P/CL cl pl
11000 500 22.0 <3200 2000 Sylvania 500T3Q/CL
10500 500 21.0 <3200 3000 Philips500T3Q/P/CL ClPlusline
10000 350 28.6 3075 2000 GE Q350T3/CL/ULTRA
9200 400 23.0 <3200 2000 Philips 400T3Q/CL Clear
6000 300 20.0 <3200 3000 Philips300T3Q/P/CL ClPlusline

Standard Incandescent Bulbs 110V/230V
Lumen Watt lm/watt Kelvin Hours Manufacturer, Name
400 40 10.0 2000 1000 40 Watt Std. Incandescent Bulb

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Equivalences:
1 lm/m2 (lumens per square meter)
= 1 lux (lx)
= 10-4 lm/cm2
= 10-4 phot (ph)
= 0.093 lm/ft2
= 0.093 foot-candles (fc)

1 meter = 3.3 feet
1 square meter = 10.8 square feet
1 foot = 0.3 meter
3 feet = 1 yard = 0.91 meter


CANNABIS GROWING LIGHTS

[AliceDee]

I got a quick question, don't know if I need to be worried or not but the light in the room (100watt incandescent) didn't get screwed out all the way aparently and sometime after I left the room it flickered back on and was on for about 8.5 hours of "night".

Im on day 13 now. The light would have only gotten in through the top of my cab, which has a box over the fans so it wouldnt have gone in directly, but I'm sure it reflected enough light in the box to make it erm.. not dark in there.

Anything to worry about?

[blink_inc]

worrying wont' fix it IF there were any adverse reactions.

Don't worry, even the moon gives off a little light..
An incandescent buld is shite lite anyway.

Keep it on it's regular schedule, and no more light during dark hours...

looking healthy btw..

[Shovelhandle]

Lovely plants. It would be a shame if they did react to the light.
Are you familiar with the product "Reverse"?

As far as using the Shultz nutes, until the leaves show signs of burning then your ok. You really should look into a nute formula for the blooming period. Your plants will thank you. <G>

Shov

[AliceDee]

Well I looked in the box today with the light on in the room and lights off in the box and it was dark still, I'm not worried about it anymore heh. The cardbord box on top prevented most of it from going in.

I really wish I could get some better bloom ferts too. I'm just planning on feeding schultz for a bit longer then I guess just relying on the soil mix to keep them going till the end. I plan on checking the garden stores around here but I'm not sure we have any.

Here's some more pics: Day 13.

[blink_inc]

you should be able to find something at a garden center...
Look at the NPK and you want something with the P higher than all the rest of the numbers. i.e 10-20-10

Looking nice BTW..

[AliceDee]

Update: Day 15

Thinking about going to get some brer blackstrap molasses soon, when should I start feeding them it? I'm gonna do one glop.:D..erm..tablespoon to 3 gals I think.

Will the plants be ok if the side growths kinda go into the wall? It will probably hurt yield but I still think ill get more from 3 smaller plants than 2 larger ones. Also the plant in the back has 2 nodes that are giving me a really uneven canopy and its too hot up where they are (as you can tell from the leaves) can I train these in anyway or any ideas for them? Really don't want hermies.

Also 2 lights fell cause I relied on tape (That strong gorilla tape even) and sat on the plants for a few hours and burned some leaves and even a little bud I think.

Got a better camera and took a few more pics.

[blink_inc]

if their too tall bend dem a little. do it an hour or so after watering and for gods sakes bend gently.

molasses at one tbsp per gallon is plenty.

as for the rest...you worry too much, relax and let dem grow.

[AliceDee]

Thanks for the tips. I'll try not to worry about them so much, but they are pretty important to me :jointsmile:

I guess the reason I am worried is because I don't have a perpetual harvest and I'm hoping to be able to make these 3 last me for a few months. I think I'm gonna cure the better buds for a month or a bit longer, then the smaller buds/hash will last me till the good ones are done :D

[Shovelhandle]

I don't want to debate the point of lst when the plants are freshly watered. But, my little bit of experience was that the plants snapped easier when they were full of water and are more pliable when they are drying out. Anyone else have an idea about this? In any event, be careful bending. : )

Shov

[blink_inc]

you'd be surprised at what you actually yeild dry..I was dissapointed the first time, having illusions of grandeur only gave me false hope.

A few clippings wouldn't have hurt and they are so easy to keep...maybe next time

good luck.

[AliceDee]

Found the cameras macro mode, too bad the thing is only a 2.1mp camera.

Here's a couple colas, one has some colors going on.

[Technique2]

Nice growing there dude. I can only hope to reach this level. I am already making a list of items I KNOW I will need by the time my little ones are done vegging.

[AliceDee]

Well I was hoping to make some teas so I went to walmart to look for blackstrap molasses and guano but couldn't find any. I did find some unsulphured molasses by the syrups and stuff, but is that the right kind to use?

Day 18 now:

[anbesol]

THOSE LOOK GREAT!

[AliceDee]

Well I went and checked on the girls today and noticed on one of my plants there were a couple pods at the base of the buds, this was the first time I saw them. I plucked off about 5 on that plant and cant find anymore, but it looked like 1 of them was open.

There are 3 girls in my cab and I checked the other 2 and there were no signs of pods or any of that sort yet, but since there was an open pod I am probably too late. I have no where else *safe* to put my hermie plant, so should I just let them go till there done then sanitize my room and enjoy some seeded bud :(, or should I try to find a place outdoors to put this hermie plant till its done? There's at least 5 weeks left I'd say as I'm on day 19 right now.

I'd kill for some Reverse right now but I don't think stores here would have it lol

[AliceDee]

Well I think I'm just gonna put the hermie plant back in the box and go through it daily and look for male parts. It probably will end up getting my other 2 crops pollinated but I just can't see throwing out a nice looking plant like that.

If the hermie does pollinate the other 2 females, will the seeds of value to me? There is one female that is very good looking with some indica looking leaves and pink pistils shootin out of the buds, I wouldn't mind growing it again next time.

If anyone thinks I should keep the herm away from the other 2 and just finish the females, let me know before I put it back in!

[AliceDee]

More pics-

This is the plant that I really like. If does get pollinated by the hermie, I will probably use the seeds next time.

The pink pistils and fat 9 fingered leaves makes this one look unique.

[AliceDee]

This is the second female.

It looks to be mostly sativa, and isn't flowering as fast as the other 2. It also doesn't seem to be growing as vigorously, but it is also in a different sized pot and uses different soil mix.

[AliceDee]

And last is the hermie plant. Makes me so mad! I love the way this plant looks/smells. Reeks of a hash/diesel smell to me.

I'm just planning on keeping it with my other 2 girls and going through it every day and picking off male parts.

Also included is a picture of the plants in the box, it's pretty crowded in there at this point... hopefully they can make it another 5 weeks or so then there should be plenty of room for that sativa to finish after I get the other 2 out.

Let me know what'cha think!

[Technique2]

That sucks Koala toes yo. But reading through your log has already given me a few ideas and insights that will help me in the long run.

As it stands I have 8 sprouts going from bag seed, and with my current setup, they are all doing VERY well.

I can only hope to land more Females than Males once I get through the Vegging stage.

Also, Miracle Grow All Purpose plant food contains these percentages of our plants necessary elements to grow. 15-30-15 which if I am not mistaken is exactly the +X nutrient you want for your ladies (and confused ladies) at this time

Keep at it.

[AliceDee]

Temps been getting a bit higher now that its warmer outside, It's about 76-82f during the day and 65-72f during night in my box. It's been a bit humid outside so it's been 45-55% humidity in the box lately.

Do they need to be lowered away from the lights or do they look ok? I haven't lowered them in almost a week, they seem to have slowed down growing taller.

Looks as if the bastard child got to parts of my females because there's a few swollen calyx's, but only the actual hermie plant itself looks like it has a good few seeds.

I've fed them a tea (feed-feed-feed-plain water) giving them about 3 days to dry up after each watering. I put some bone meal in a coffee filter, 1/4 strength Schultz 10-15-10 plant food, and a couple glops (about equivalent to a glob) of grandma's unsulphured molasses in a 3 gallon bucket with a air pump and let it brew overnight.

[AliceDee]

More!

[AliceDee]

And some farther away shots. It's pretty crowded in my box and I dread taking them out for water because I just want my buds to sit there undisturbed lol :hippy:

Also a couple little pieces I cut off to get to some hermies without getting the delicate pollen everywhere. I smoked like some pistils and some leaves with resin lol I just threw it in the bong and lit it up. Idk if it got me buzzed or if I just tricked myself into it lol. :wtf:

nowugimmesomefeedback :D

[DoDoFoShoDoe]

I really like this log, your plants are looking very nice especially for a cfl bagseed grow!

How many sockets are you using to power the spiral cfls?

This is very inspiring i think im going to have to make a couple boxes myself! You should really think about having 2 or 3 boxes that way you can be harvesting often, good luck w/the yield! you should get 2oz outta that box if all goes well, hope you get more though haha

With you next grow you should think about using some heavier nutes and different professional mixtures for the different stages of growth your plants go through, buds will be packin on more and more!

goodluck! toke on

[Shovelhandle]

nice plants, AliceD
I used any unsulfered molasses. Now I'm using animal grade from the feeds mill I work with. In a week and a half I'll be at the Port of Albany molasses terminal! LOTS of the sticky stuff.

Sho

[Shovelhandle]

If the hermie does pollinate the other 2 females, will the seeds of value to me?

AliceD, check out my active grow log. The dozen bubblegum hybrids are from feminized seeds from my last grow. So far, all fems, no herms. Growing fine.

[AliceDee]

Thanks for the replies :hippy:

I've become a little worried about one plant, the leaves are curly/droopy and the newer top leaves look very strange and theres not much resin on any of the leaves where my other 2 have resin all over the leaves.

The first 3 are the plant that worries me. The last pic is a different plant but the top of the cola seems to be doing the same thing. Maybe its heat stress?

[AliceDee]

Ok, so I'm on day 52 now and I need to know what to do from here to the end basically.

When should I start flushing? Do I just need to flush once or more? Do I give any more Nutes after flushing? Molasses?

I don't think one of the plants is as ready as the others, so if I flush it at the same time, will I run into problems before the end?

Also any other advice I can get before the harvest to improve my buds will be greatly appreciated.

[Shovelhandle]

Are the plants sittin in wet soil? (curled under leaves)
If so wait until the the soild is dry before soaking it again.
No more molasses or nutes. Just water until finished, if you're aiming for 60 days. If they aren't ready in 60 just keep using water.

[Shovelhandle]

I mentioned that I was growing out seeds that were polinated from a hermie. Well, one of the dozen has hermied. It is now moved to another building to finish.

I thought I'd mentioned that. If I use these seeds ever again depends on the final results. Having even the one hermie is discouraging though.

Shov

[AliceDee]

Thanks Shov.

Sorry to hear that you got a hermie too, luckily you have the extra room to move it out.

Wet medium is most likely my problem, I ran out of perlite and good dirt. That plant is sitting in some MG organic potting mix which doesn't dry out very well between waterings. (noted for next time :thumbsup:)

I'm not sure what day exactly I plan on finishing, I do have a 60-100x microscope to check trichs though.

[AliceDee]

I took a little .5 gram bud and it's hanging and drying right now. It was just a popcorn bud from the bottom of the plant so it's got a lot of clear/cloudy trichs still though.

Planning to flush them next watering and stop giving nutes, but can they still use molasses or should I stop that too?

[AliceDee]

Ok so I did my math wrong and I'm only on day 52 now. So I would have flushed and quit nutes at day 45 I think. I just think I might have flushed it a bit too early but will they be ok till the end if I just keep giving them water? The big fan leaves are just now starting to yellow a bit

[Shovelhandle]

if you are going to leave them flower for another two weeks I'd give them a little organic nutes to work with. I've done the same thing myself.

Shov

[Tripberry]

Did you have any updates on this thread, I was interested in how they turned out.