IRAQ WAR 2002 / IRAN WAR 2008

[Markass]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aqHKmzToPQ

[Psycho4Bud]

LOL...Iran doesn't sponsor terrorism? O.K.; another great report from MSNBC....all left all day long. Guess these people never heard of Hezbullah.

And of course they definately aren't looking at having a nuke. Sitting on an ocean of oil it's a necessity that they have nuclear power for peaceful purposes. :rolleyes:

Have a good one!:s4:

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Didn't Iraq start in 2003? :wtf:

[Innominate]

Down with propaganda.

[fishman3811]

I dont think america will attack iran because iran can fight back unlike iraq...

[boaz]

I dont think america will attack iran because iran can fight back unlike iraq...

Iraq and Iran fought for a decade to a stalemate, so I'm not sure if one would be any tougher than the other.

But, I don't really don't see any need to attack Iran. We can take out there nuke sites at will, but I'm guessing our preference would be for the people of Iran, through their own democratic processes, to stop the production. A sort of quasi-democratic version of what happened in North Korea, if you will.

But the writing does seem to be on the wall, I'd say, just absolutely guessing it could this fall. This will be President Bush's final move, much like Nixon moving into Laos and Cambodia, to hit the enemy's assumed safe zone . . . but i really have no idea :stoned:

[Markass]

I dont think america will attack iran because iran can fight back unlike iraq...

I'm still trying to figure out a more logical reason for us being in Iraq spending billions in the first place, aside from corporate interest...

But they lied us into one war, why not make it another, eh?:thumbsup:

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

I don't really see the war with Iran happening anymore; unless the Military has a lot in the works that they're keeping quiet. Even the Bush administration is realizing how war-weary the nation is getting. An invasion into Iran would guarantee a Democratic victory as is, and the money is drying up fast. Yes yes, they can artificially inflate it indefinately to continuously finance these foolish escapades, but even the Republicans can't ignore the record debt they're in any more. It boggles my mind to this day that the US can (apparently) afford hundreds of billions of dollars for wars left, right, and center; yet need a congressional dispute to decide if they can afford $4 billion for some school infrastructure.

[rebgirl420]

I think a war with Iran could a be a possibility in the future somewhere but not anytime particularly soon. But I think it's probably needed. But instead of fighting a war like we are now our leaders need to get some balls. I mean wtf is the limit here? Are we going to wait until they have nuclear capabilities? Sure they couldn't hit us but we do have a few allies they could really fuck up.

They keep on poking the sleeping bear here and when the U.S. actually does stand up everyone looks at us like were war mongerers. And you can thank the U.N. for a large portion of this mess. The U.N. is one of the biggest mistake the United States has ever created and if we were intelligent we would have cut them off like the cancer they are. Pretty much it's a huge assembly of anti-American propaganda. The U.N. doesn't have a back bone. They threaten and threaten, all full of hot air and empty promises, and Iran learns nothing. They just continue to do what they want.

[Markass]

I don't really see the war with Iran happening anymore; unless the Military has a lot in the works that they're keeping quiet. Even the Bush administration is realizing how war-weary the nation is getting. An invasion into Iran would guarantee a Democratic victory as is, and the money is drying up fast. Yes yes, they can artificially inflate it indefinately to continuously finance these foolish escapades, but even the Republicans can't ignore the record debt they're in any more. It boggles my mind to this day that the US can (apparently) afford hundreds of billions of dollars for wars left, right, and center; yet need a congressional dispute to decide if they can afford $4 billion for some school infrastructure.

Nothing has kept them from printing off and borrowing the hundreds of billions so far...

But right, we're the only people allowed to have nuclear capabilities...cause we all know that the united states would never just bomb a country with a nuke..ahh yes, not anymore...just that one time.

[Psycho4Bud]

High-level American diplomats in Riyadh with excellent access to Saudi decision-makers said an Iranian nuclear weapon frightens the Saudis "to their core" and would compel the Saudis to seek nuclear weapons, the report said. The American diplomats were not identified.

Turkey also would come under pressure to follow suit if Iran builds nuclear weapons in the next decade, said the report prepared by a committee staff member after interviewing hundreds of individuals in Washington and the Middle East last July through December.

While Turkey and Iran do not see themselves as adversaries, Turkey believes a power balance between them is the primary reason for a peaceful relationship, the report said.
FOXNews.com - U.S. Diplomats Forecast Nuclear Arms Race in Middle East if Iran Gets the Bomb - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,345468,00.html)

Sounds like an idea....the final clash of the Sunni/Shi-ite/Jewish conflict. They all glow in the dark! Maybe the Turks will join in too and since India is downwind of this mass destruction what the hell, time to launch.....within days they'd just be walking dead anyways.

I'm SURE that it won't effect any of the rest of the world though.....at least untill your hair starts to fall out and there's mass chaos because of lack of fuel.;)

Have a good one!:s4:

[boaz]

^ I agree, Iran's neighbors have a keen interest in a peaceful and stable, one might hope democratic, Iran, too.

In my opionion, parts of Iran have already declared war on the U.S. by their action against us in Iraq. I believe our Congress countered by declaring war on those militants within Iran. Seems to me we are technically already at war with part of Iran over this single issue.

The nuke issue and recognition of Israel is a seperate issue that needs to be hammered out with all of the mid east and europe nations, not just us.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Nothing has kept them from printing off and borrowing the hundreds of billions so far...

But right, we're the only people allowed to have nuclear capabilities...cause we all know that the united states would never just bomb a country with a nuke..ahh yes, not anymore...just that one time.

Just those two times actually. I know what you mean; it annoys the hell out of me that the US insists upon it's right to have the biggest nuclear arsenal on Earth, but demand others not carry a single one. Some people will say "yeah well that's because Iran are a bunch of terrorists!". Well here in the real world, you can't reasonably expect to say to a country "listen here! You're all a bunch of savages that can't be trusted with nuclear arms. Us, on the other hand; we're enlightened Christians with the highest standard of morality on Earth. So you should just accept that!" :rolleyes:


Get real. Nuking hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people, is an evil act whether it's by Muslim Jihadists or righteous Christians. Terrorism in it's most devestating form. But we're supposed to be outraged when another country doesn't accept that they're not as civilized and righteous as us. Now there's some sensible diplomacy! :rolleyes:

[dragonrider]

We got 'em surrounded, armies in Afghanistan to the north and Iraq to the west! We'll never gat another chance like this! Fuck yeah! Lets get 'em!

Let the Democrats sort it out later if it gets messy...

[apocolips31]

Would you trust a country with nukes that said "Israel must and will be wiped off the face of the earth"?

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Would you trust a country with nukes that said "Israel must and will be wiped off the face of the earth"?

Would you trust the words being attributed to Ahmadinejad just because the media says so?

Tell any lie enough times, with enough certainty, to enough people; and it easily blurres into accepted fact. That "whipe Israel off the map" is the most selectively interpreted and distorted "fact" going today.

[fishman3811]

Dragonrider your funny we got em surrounded boys lets get em....get them with what 150000 troops lol right against a military with 900 000 active and reserves personnel...

[Psycho4Bud]

Dragonrider your funny we got em surrounded boys lets get em....get them with what 150000 troops lol right against a military with 900 000 active and reserves personnel...

900,000 huh? That's a hell of alot of body bags their going to need if it happens. So how many troops does a M.O.B. take out again?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UK_NZn39-R8

So anxious for the U.S. to lose a war.....sorry Charlie!:D

Have a good one!:s4:

[Psycho4Bud]

Would you trust the words being attributed to Ahmadinejad just because the media says so?

Never mind the fact that this is translated the same way across the world. DAMN, I always forget the left wing translation where he ACTUALLY stated that he wanted to invite Israel for tea.:wtf:

Have a good one!:s4:

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Never mind the fact that this is translated the same way across the world. DAMN, I always forget the left wing translation where he ACTUALLY stated that he wanted to invite Israel for tea.:wtf:

Have a good one!:s4:


The very thing that I was talking about before. The American government states it with certainty, gets their (temporary) buddies in Russia, Europe, allies all-around to accept it, and suddenly we're hearing it everywhere; so it must be fact!

There's been plenty of translations, including by those fluent in the regions language, that say something more around the lines of "whipe away the Israeli regime". Not too friendly, but no less than what we're saying over here.

Ahmadinejad wants the territory put back under Muslim control, as a Muslim nation, as it was prior to 1947 (might be a couple years off, memory's rusty on that one). "Wiping it off the face of the map" doesn't even make sense when the land is as holy to them as it is to us; the only difference being that it would be even more holy to them in a sense, because of their religious fanaticism. No Muslim of any standing could get away with wiping out the holy land with nukes, the people would revolt faster than Texans under Communist rule.

[Psycho4Bud]

So, does Al-Jazerra know how to translate Iranian or are they also U.S. puppets? Haven't heard of Hamas or Hezbullah making any type of statements to the contrary either.

And since when have our temporary buddies in Russia or China been so kind to either us or Israel?:wtf:

Have a good one!:s4:

[FreshNugz]

There's been plenty of translations, including by those fluent in the regions language, that say something more around the lines of "whipe away the Israeli regime". Not too friendly, but no less than what we're saying over here.
Ahmadinejad wants the territory put back under Muslim control, as a Muslim nation, as it was prior to 1947 (might be a couple years off, memory's rusty on that one).


While I accept that you're making the point of media sensationalizing the situation, I also think that in this case, I'm just glad its not complete fabrication. I mean 'wipe away the Israeli regime'??? Come on! Close enough for me.
He shouldn't be allowed to threaten like that, and one might benefit from placing himself in the shoes of the Israeli who lives there on a daily basis; the constant fear of war, suicide attacks - that region breaks out into war very quickly and very spontaneously. Now, some neighbour of yours, who is capable of carrying out his threats, says he wants to wipe away your regime? I'd feel pretty threatened as well. As naturally occurs in the security dilemma, Israel may of course want to bulk up on arms and create some sort of defense to counter the threat. Therefore, Iran is inciting tension where there is already enough. And he shouldn't be allowed to.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

While I accept that you're making the point of media sensationalizing the situation, I also think that in this case, I'm just glad its not complete fabrication. I mean 'wipe away the Israeli regime'??? Come on! Close enough for me.
He shouldn't be allowed to threaten like that, and one might benefit from placing himself in the shoes of the Israeli who lives there on a daily basis; the constant fear of war, suicide attacks - that region breaks out into war very quickly and very spontaneously. Now, some neighbour of yours, who is capable of carrying out his threats, says he wants to wipe away your regime? I'd feel pretty threatened as well. As naturally occurs in the security dilemma, Israel may of course want to bulk up on arms and create some sort of defense to counter the threat. Therefore, Iran is inciting tension where there is already enough. And he shouldn't be allowed to.


"Wipe away the regime" and "wipe Israel off the map" are two very different things. We're talking about overthrowing a government vs. turning the holiest place on Earth into a giant glass parking lot. I would absolutely say that distoring his words on such a level is beyond irresponsible. If we go to war, I want it to be on reality and facts, not propaganda that tries to convince us Ahmadinejad is Hitler himself.


Sorry, but I think "he shouldn't be allowed to" is the whole problem. The US government these days thinks it has every right to launch "pre-emptive strikes" (sneak attacks without a declaration of war), invasions of countries like Iraq before evidence of wrong doing has been found, and all rights to constantly threaten countries with war unless they fall into line and comply with hypocritical demands.

Considering this whole deal is because millions of arab muslims were evicted from their own land, had it stolen from them, I don't find it that outrageous that he might demand an occupying regime be removed and the land be given back to it's rightful inhabitants.
It's remarkably common how often Americans get outraged at foreign leaders saying things that are usually on-par with their own leaders' speeches.
The only different is when the president says "The so-and-so's are supporters of terror, and we must remove them from power", the people feel like they're being protected from frightening boogy men that sit at large tables and discuss how to slaughter all of civilization. You think the folk in the Middle East aren't just as scared of America, brought up to believe they're the terrorists with up-to-date guns? Believe me, America has a much more impressive track-record than Iran and the pisspot dictatorships; an important one being when the CIA orchestrated an overthrow of the democratically elected Iranian government in 1953, replacing them with a dictatorship. But that government dared nationalize it's own then-British-owned oil fields, so I guess they had it comin'!


Although.... I could have sworn that all American meddling was for the purpose of freeing oppressed people, bring them freedom and liberty and whatnot... :wtf:

[Nailhead]

I still laugh when people say Iran is a threat, they are only a threat to the countries we buy oil from. lol, like they could ever attack us :D

[FreshNugz]

well, I agree that nobody should be allowed to, and we should all respect each other's sovereignty...however, nobody right now is going to do anything to change the superpower in the world, which is so obviously America. And until that time, they will do what they please. Never did I say this was good. It's terrible. But what can you or I do? Nothing. The world has to act on that.
And yes, everyone is well aware of the things the CIA does...again, never said I supported that.
So, to the issue at hand. Translation of this infamous phrase.
I'm sorry...but they are close enough for me. You think wiping away the regime means like a peaceful removal of government?? Guess again dude. Don't take it so literal, and assume he means the government. He could mean regime like the entire settlement. And really lets be honest, you think ...that given the weaponry(nuclear or not, it doesnt matter)anyways..you think that if the Iranians had the power to do damage in Israel, that they wouldn't? Think if he held the red trigger to the nuke set in Israel, he wouldn't pull it? Give me a BREAK!!!!!!! He'd salivate at the chance. And the "mistranslation" you speak of ...wipe israel off the map...guess what, over there, it isn't even on the map! Their children grow up without knowledge that it even exists, and are taught many other things about the terrible nature of Jewish culture and heritage. So, raising generations of kids under false historical facts and a skewed version of the way the world came to be...preaching hate...I'm sorry but that's ridiculous. The US can and has done some terrible things, and nobody is denying that...but do they completely fabricate human history in order to precipitate a cycle of xenophobia? No. And look...that land was stolen how long ago!?? Get the hell over it!! Why are they still threatening the Jews? Leave it alone!! Until they grow up and shut up, they deserve everything they're getting. Iran is a terrible place, and its people are in the grasp of a terrible man. Have you forgotten Zarah Kazemi? If so, I'll remind you that she was an Iranian Canadian who took a photograph of Evin prison while on a trip there, and they captured her, tortured her, raped her, and then killed her. Then, they refused to return the body, and refused negotiation with the Canadian government, refused details, etc. There have been several cases identical to hers as well. Maybe her memory might jog some sentiment into you that defending the Iranian government is beyond shameful.
You want to defend what they do because they lost some land a long time ago?? Ridiculous.

[Psycho4Bud]

Ahmadinejad wants the territory put back under Muslim control, as a Muslim nation, as it was prior to 1947 (might be a couple years off, memory's rusty on that one).

So once again how back far into history do we go on this? Just as far back as Muslim control or futher into others?

Who has controlled the Middle East over the course of history? Pretty much everyone. Egyptians, Turks, Jews, Romans, Arabs, Persians, Europeans...the list goes on. Who will control the Middle East today?
Imperial History of the Middle East (http://www.mapsofwar.com/ind/imperial-history.html)

WOW, 1050 B.C. it was the Israel Empire.......so where on this map does it state Palestinian Empire, or state, or country...etc... Using your logic it seems that the damn Palestinians are trying to steal the Jewish lands.:D

Have a good one!:s4:

[boaz]

"the people would revolt faster than Texans under Communist rule."

:rastasmoke: I know a few Texans so bet that would be pretty damn quick. :jointsmile:

[fishman3811]

EH P4B dont you care about the troo0ps in iraq ??because if your idiot president were to attack iran then you can say goodbye to your troops in iraq...iran has missilies can can wipe you out

[Psycho4Bud]

iran has missilies can can wipe you out

Missiles huh? I guess we should get a few of them some day then.:rolleyes:

Hope ya never bet on sports my friend.....seems that you always back the wrong side.

Have a good one!:s4:

[Reefer Rogue]

I don't think a war with Iran will happen, if it does though a lot more american blood will be lost, they will be a much more formidable force then iraq. Though i believe america could eventually edge it, it won't be easy and it won't be fast.

[fishman3811]

LOL P4B i always lose on sports betting.....Yes i know you have missiles to thats not the point.

[Markass]

I don't think a war with Iran will happen, if it does though a lot more american blood will be lost


The people making the decisions regarding the war(s) don't give a rat's ass about bloodshed, otherwise we still wouldn't be there. This is America, it's all about the money...

[zeitgeist]

We're broke,
we're broke,
and oh yeah, did I mention how broke we are?

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

So once again how back far into history do we go on this? Just as far back as Muslim control or futher into others?


WOW, 1050 B.C. it was the Israel Empire.......so where on this map does it state Palestinian Empire, or state, or country...etc... Using your logic it seems that the damn Palestinians are trying to steal the Jewish lands.:D

Have a good one!:s4:

How about as far back to a time when there were still inhabitants who are alive today, or at least their first generation of children. You can't seriously justify stealing the lands of millions of people to give it back to someone who owned it a thousand years ago. Just to keep with our linguistic theme, by your logic Americans should be evicted from this continent and have it given back to the Natives. I mean damn, we could dig through history and redraw this whole planet's borders!


Atrocities aren't justified for the sake of vengeance upon a race who's ancestors did wrong a millenia ago. There are people who are literally, personally displaced from land that is rightfully theirs. Not via racial inheritance, not because of "what could have been" hundreds of years ago, but members of the immediate family who by are entitled to their own land. Any court with a bit of sense would see a difference between somebody who robbed my father, as opposed to long-dead folk who robbed my ancestors a thousand years ago.

[Psycho4Bud]

Well, if they were to follow your guidelines on this then the region should be known as the Ottoman Empire. I'm currently 46 and back in 1948 my father was 18...owned no land to speak of. Get my point of this?

Have a good one!:s4:

[Nailhead]

I think a war with Iran could a be a possibility in the future somewhere but not anytime particularly soon. But I think it's probably needed. But instead of fighting a war like we are now our leaders need to get some balls. I mean wtf is the limit here? Are we going to wait until they have nuclear capabilities? Sure they couldn't hit us but we do have a few allies they could really fuck up.

They keep on poking the sleeping bear here and when the U.S. actually does stand up everyone looks at us like were war mongerers. And you can thank the U.N. for a large portion of this mess. The U.N. is one of the biggest mistake the United States has ever created and if we were intelligent we would have cut them off like the cancer they are. Pretty much it's a huge assembly of anti-American propaganda. The U.N. doesn't have a back bone. They threaten and threaten, all full of hot air and empty promises, and Iran learns nothing. They just continue to do what they want.

Make no mistake, we are a nation of war mongerers. We are the self proclaimed world leader, anybody that doesn't abide by what we say gets attacked. That's pretty much American foreign policy in a nutshell. So why is it surprising when someone like Ahmadinejad, or Kim Jong-il play chicken with us? They are only testing us, they are no serious thread. The fact that some of our government leaders even consider them a threat is completely ridiculous, and is the reason why these piss poor countries feel the need to arm themselves.

What exactly is a war with Iran supposed to accomplish? When have aggressive wars ever accomplished anything? They did nothing in Vietnam, did nothing for the Russians when they invaded Afghanistan, and has done nothing in Iraq. So what exactly could we accomplish by dropping some bombs on another country of brown people? We can't stop Iran's nuclear intentions through war, it's not even possible. Our bunker busting missiles are mostly only effective for primitive bunkers, not the ones Iran has to protect their nuclear research labs.

If anybody seriously believes in a world without nuclear arms, then you need to start your world peace parade in your own country first. No country in the world produces more nuclear weapons than we do, we have the technology to destroy the entire human race on this planet. Countries like Iran and North Korea wouldn't even bother with nuclear technology if they felt they were being taken seriously in the world. Their nuclear research is the product of bad American foreign policy, a foreign policy that prefers laser guided missiles over peace talks with enemies.

[Reefer Rogue]

The people making the decisions regarding the war(s) don't give a rat's ass about bloodshed, otherwise we still wouldn't be there. This is America, it's all about the money...

I guess Zimbabwe doesn't have as much Oil...

[epxroot]

well, I agree that nobody should be allowed to, and we should all respect each other's sovereignty...however, nobody right now is going to do anything to change the superpower in the world, which is so obviously America. And until that time, they will do what they please. Never did I say this was good. It's terrible. But what can you or I do? Nothing. The world has to act on that.
And yes, everyone is well aware of the things the CIA does...again, never said I supported that.

I am not sure if I should feel angry or sad at this. It's a horrible thing when someone looses as much faith in the power that they hold as citizens. The problem being is most Americans either feel like you, or could give a rat's ass about anything outside their own personal lives. The apathy that the system has created about the system is beyond believable! It saddens me with all the lack of involvement and backbone that's in this country.


So, to the issue at hand. Translation of this infamous phrase.
I'm sorry...but they are close enough for me. You think wiping away the regime means like a peaceful removal of government?? Guess again dude. Don't take it so literal, and assume he means the government. He could mean regime like the entire settlement. And really lets be honest, you think ...that given the weaponry(nuclear or not, it doesnt matter)anyways..you think that if the Iranians had the power to do damage in Israel, that they wouldn't? Think if he held the red trigger to the nuke set in Israel, he wouldn't pull it? Give me a BREAK!!!!!!! He'd salivate at the chance. And the "mistranslation" you speak of ...wipe israel off the map...guess what, over there, it isn't even on the map! Their children grow up without knowledge that it even exists, and are taught many other things about the terrible nature of Jewish culture and heritage. So, raising generations of kids under false historical facts and a skewed version of the way the world came to be...preaching hate...I'm sorry but that's ridiculous.
And you're willing to destroy an entire country over a translation "close enough for you"? I really hope you are fluant or have some understanding of the Persian language.
How do you know that this is how life is in Iran. Have you lived there? Have you spent time learning their culture? All you know is what you can try and read. I would not take any MSM word on this either from the "Left" or the "right" networks.


And look...that land was stolen how long ago!?? Get the hell over it!! Why are they still threatening the Jews? Leave it alone!! Until they grow up and shut up, they deserve everything they're getting. Iran is a terrible place, and its people are in the grasp of a terrible man. Have you forgotten Zarah Kazemi? If so, I'll remind you that she was an Iranian Canadian who took a photograph of Evin prison while on a trip there, and they captured her, tortured her, raped her, and then killed her. Then, they refused to return the body, and refused negotiation with the Canadian government, refused details, etc. There have been several cases identical to hers as well. Maybe her memory might jog some sentiment into you that defending the Iranian government is beyond shameful.
You want to defend what they do because they lost some land a long time ago?? Ridiculous.

Their Government is a product of America man!!

[epxroot]

LOL...Iran doesn't sponsor terrorism? O.K.; another great report from MSNBC....all left all day long. Guess these people never heard of Hezbullah.
Not all countries see the Hezbollah as Terrorists. Some countries see this group as legitimate resistance movement. So, I suppose it really depends on how your personal view of the world is. And, really has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with right or left thinking, and whoever thinks this way is already a product of their system.


And of course they definately aren't looking at having a nuke. Sitting on an ocean of oil it's a necessity that they have nuclear power for peaceful purposes. :rolleyes:

Have a good one!:s4:
And what is Americas excuse for having them? I am not "Ant-American" it's just a question that should be asked.

[FreshNugz]

Ok to the first comment you made about me having lost faith in my personal ability to change the US position of world police force. Well, I can't make a difference. That's why I said the world has to act. So my comment shouldn't make you sad or mad. I'm all for the power of people to enforce change, but in the case of this it's a different scenario. It will take something huge. Like maybe a person capable of running that country being elected...sometime...
And I'm canadian, so the lack of backbone you say I have really doesn't apply to any analysis of your country.

And second, about the Iranian thing...I didn't say ever that I advocated destroying Iran. Nowhere. Please don't put words in my mouth. And yes, I do know that they teach in an anti semitic fashion, and oppress any sort of person who doesn't conform to islamic law in Iran. I don't need any left or right news networks to tell me, the people have ways of getting words out.

And to the last point...who's government are you talking about.

[epxroot]

Ok to the first comment you made about me having lost faith in my personal ability to change the US position of world police force. Well, I can't make a difference. That's why I said the world has to act. So my comment shouldn't make you sad or mad. I'm all for the power of people to enforce change, but in the case of this it's a different scenario. It will take something huge. Like maybe a person capable of running that country being elected...sometime...
And I'm canadian, so the lack of backbone you say I have really doesn't apply to any analysis of your country.

Sorry dude didn't know you were Canadian. Your words just reminded me of a lot of Americans.


And second, about the Iranian thing...I didn't say ever that I advocated destroying Iran. Nowhere. Please don't put words in my mouth. And yes, I do know that they teach in an anti semitic fashion, and oppress any sort of person who doesn't conform to islamic law in Iran. I don't need any left or right news networks to tell me, the people have ways of getting words out.

And to the last point...who's government are you talking about.

What would a war against Iran do to their country?

The Iranian Government.

[Psycho4Bud]

Not all countries see the Hezbollah as Terrorists. Some countries see this group as legitimate resistance movement.

Maybe Iran and Syria but besides that, I doubt it.
Hezbollah (a.k.a. Hizbollah, Hizbu'llah) - Council on Foreign Relations (http://www.cfr.org/publication/9155/)

Have a good one!:s4:

[epxroot]

Maybe Iran and Syria but besides that, I doubt it.
Hezbollah (a.k.a. Hizbollah, Hizbu'llah) - Council on Foreign Relations (http://www.cfr.org/publication/9155/)

Have a good one!:s4:

I believe the EU does not see them as a terrorist org.

[Psycho4Bud]

France and Britain have been the principal European targets of Hezbollah terrorism, in part because both countries opposed Hezbollah's agenda in Lebanon and were perceived to be enemies of Iran, Hezbollah's chief patron. Hezbollah has been involved in many terrorist attacks against Europeans, including:

The October 1983 bombing of the French contingent of the multinational peacekeeping force in Lebanon (on the same day as the U.S. Marine barracks bombing), which killed 58 French soldiers;
The December 1983 bombing of the French Embassy in Kuwait;
The April 1985 bombing of a restaurant near a U.S. base in Madrid, Spain, which killed 18 Spanish citizens;
A campaign of 13 bombings in France in 1986 that targeted shopping centers and railroad facilities, killing 13 people and wounding more than 250; and
A March 1989 attempt to assassinate British novelist Salman Rushdie that failed when a bomb exploded prematurely, killing a terrorist in London.

Individual EU member states, such as France and Germany, have previously taken legal action against Hezbollah. Germany has deported Hezbollah operatives and France banned Hezbollah's al-Manar television network in 2004. But such actions were undertaken in an ad hoc manner on a country by country basis, not in a systematic manner by the EU as a whole. Given that protecting citizens is the highest duty of the state, such half-hearted piecemeal policies are irresponsible.

Putting Hezbollah on the EU terrorism list would require the consent of all 27 EU member states. Such action would oblige each member to prohibit the channeling of money from European entities and individuals to Hezbollah, and to seize Hezbollah assets in the EU.On March 10, 2005, the EU Parliament voted overwhelmingly to adopt a resolution that affirmed Hezbollah's involvement in terrorist activities and ordered the EU Council to "take all necessary steps to curtail" Hezbollah.
Hezbollah's Terrorist Threat to the European Union (http://www.heritage.org/research/middleEast/tst062007a.cfm)

Have a good one!:s4:

[dragonrider]

Dragonrider your funny we got em surrounded boys lets get em....get them with what 150000 troops lol right against a military with 900 000 active and reserves personnel...

You know I was being sarcastic, right?

I don't support any knid of attack on Iran at this point. If they get close to having a nuclear weapon, then I think that needs to be prevented, even if it involves military force. But I don't think they are close. And this administration has very little credibility with any "evidence" it presents for making its case --- they've been caught in too many lies.

One thing's for sure --- if we send our military into Iran or any other country, we need to know EXACTLY what we are trying to accomplish and how we are going to get out. Colin Powel had it right in the first Gulf War --- you need clear objectives and an exit strategy. Unlike our current administration who does not follow the "Powel Doctrine" and is more of the "Fuck yeah! Let's get 'em!" type. We can never go into another mess like this one in Iraq.

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France and Britain have been the principal European targets of Hezbollah terrorism, in part because both countries opposed Hezbollah's agenda in Lebanon and were perceived to be enemies of Iran, Hezbollah's chief patron. Hezbollah has been involved in many terrorist attacks against Europeans, including:

The October 1983 bombing of the French contingent of the multinational peacekeeping force in Lebanon (on the same day as the U.S. Marine barracks bombing), which killed 58 French soldiers;
The December 1983 bombing of the French Embassy in Kuwait;
The April 1985 bombing of a restaurant near a U.S. base in Madrid, Spain, which killed 18 Spanish citizens;
A campaign of 13 bombings in France in 1986 that targeted shopping centers and railroad facilities, killing 13 people and wounding more than 250; and
A March 1989 attempt to assassinate British novelist Salman Rushdie that failed when a bomb exploded prematurely, killing a terrorist in London.

Individual EU member states, such as France and Germany, have previously taken legal action against Hezbollah. Germany has deported Hezbollah operatives and France banned Hezbollah's al-Manar television network in 2004. But such actions were undertaken in an ad hoc manner on a country by country basis, not in a systematic manner by the EU as a whole. Given that protecting citizens is the highest duty of the state, such half-hearted piecemeal policies are irresponsible.

Putting Hezbollah on the EU terrorism list would require the consent of all 27 EU member states. Such action would oblige each member to prohibit the channeling of money from European entities and individuals to Hezbollah, and to seize Hezbollah assets in the EU.On March 10, 2005, the EU Parliament voted overwhelmingly to adopt a resolution that affirmed Hezbollah's involvement in terrorist activities and ordered the EU Council to "take all necessary steps to curtail" Hezbollah.
Hezbollah's Terrorist Threat to the European Union (http://www.heritage.org/research/middleEast/tst062007a.cfm)

Have a good one!:s4:

Sir! I stand corrected. Don't understand what I was thinking that early in the morning. :thumbsup:

[fishman3811]

Dragonrider np bro i just thought it was a really funny statement to make .......

[FreshNugz]

Sorry dude didn't know you were Canadian. Your words just reminded me of a lot of Americans.

What would a war against Iran do to their country?

The Iranian Government.

It's alright. And I sound like that because I am very interested in your country. How it was founded, its entire history. And that is a lot of people. However a lot don't like how the way America now is completely opposite to the way it was originally created to be. I don't need to cite examples, though if you want some I gladly would.

Anyways, I respect the patriotism of Americans as well. Of course their country is great. What they are taught about the foundation and basic principles though is not today's reality. I'd say shit hit the fan around Kennedy's assassination. But this is all just my views...and nowhere do I mean to offend anyone by them. Just observations. So hopefully I haven't offended you.
Cause the funny thing is you quote Ron Paul in your sig, so I have a feeling we might share some common ground politically. And that you know the exact thing i'm talking about(the erosion of the Constitution).

What would a war against Iran do to that country? I don't want to know really...but I know it may possibly save thousands or millions of Jewish people who'd be threatened by a nuclear Iran. Come on, if you have Hillary Clinton(I know she's a more hawkish lady)..but come on, if she says she would bomb Iran, I'd have to think there's a reason other than its that time of the month for her like some may suggest.

Now, I realize that I've constantly said America needs to stop the world police thing, and this is why I suggest the world needs to act when it comes to Iran. Unfortunately, we have 5 member countries on our useless security council, two of them who are communist...which we had to do in 1945 or else the tension wouldn't have ceased...so basically its a useless council because it has to appease to those countries by letting them have a place there...and in turn, when it comes to a problem like Iran, the old original lines are drawn...West vs. the rest.
Shitty situation. But more than America needs to threaten to act if we want any sort of resolution. It kills me to think there are people actually believing that "peace talks" with Iran are going to accomplish anything. That said I never want to see it happen and hope it will diminish peacefully. That's about all the control I have on that situation.