First Grow PPP

[should]

Hey everyone, sorry i dont have any pics yet but im getting my camera back from my friend tomorrow. so here are the details:
2 plants indoors, 250w hps light, MGMC soil (flushed for seedlings and added perlite) and theres gonna be 1 inch of rocks on the bottom of each pot, Fox farm nutes(gonna use em half strength 3 weeks after the plants are in the soil), and i think thats all... if i forgot something please ask and also please comment, any help is greatly appreciated:thumbsup:!
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ok now its time for the actual journal part...

4/13/08 â?? Placed one seed in a paper towel for germinating (on the left)
4/14/08 â?? Put another seed in the same paper towel for germinating (on the right)
4/15/08- First seed successfully germinated, planted in flushed soil at 3:20 and put in a dark warm room

[should]

o yea, i forgot to mention. the room im growing in gets very hot when the light is on (in the 84 F range) and where the plant is its even worst (88 to 89 F). will i be ok? im gonna try and add ventilation but i doubt it will help since it will be even hotter outside the next couple weeks

[daihashi]

If possible try to completely enclose the area around the plants. About 2ft wide and 4-5 ft tall should be enough although 6ft tall would be ideal.

Then put a high flow fan at the top of the enclosed area/cabinet and have it exhaust air out of your grow area.

This should be good for about a 5 - 10 degree drop. I'm going to go with 5 degree.

You want the temperatures to stay below 85 degrees. Ideally you want them between 70-78 degrees.

[should]

good idea! do you think it would help if the top was left open? or should i compleatly close it off? thanks man, now i just gotta worry about finding money to buy wood and paint haha

[should]

Would it work if i did this?
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if i just put a board near the water heater to cut that off from the plants and added a board on top? because i still want my oscillating fan to hit the plants. then on the top board ill put a hole for the new fan i bought at home depot and 2 holes or the chain for the light. I think i can do that but will it still have the same effect as closing it off completely? ill try and use my awesome paint skills to give you a better idea of what I'm talking about lol

[should]

Edit: alright, heres a rough outline of what i was thinking, dont make fun of my paint skillz lol. Photo Sharing by MyPhotoAlbum.com :: MyPhotoAlbum :: plan (http://should.myphotoalbum.com/view_photo.php?set_albumName=album02&id=paint)

[Cede2Weed]

Ultimately, you are going to need an intake for fresh air. Personally, I find ventilation/exhaust to be the most taxing part of the whole process. That and patience....

In order to refine the suggestions you are going to receive, you might want to include if you are renting as that will drastically limit what you can do. Also, if you are in a multi-floor dwelling, is there an attic above or basement below.... I assume there is not a central air duct in that room, but if one is nearby you may be able to tap into that.

I have the same issue and have not resolved it yet.

Good luck, will be keeping up with your log. :)

[daihashi]

good idea! do you think it would help if the top was left open? or should i compleatly close it off? thanks man, now i just gotta worry about finding money to buy wood and paint haha

If you're going on the cheap get two 24"x24"x24" boxes.. with the flaps up the boxes are 30".

Duct tape these two boxes together.

Go to home depot and buy a pre cut 2'x2' piece of plywood. This will become the top of your cabinet. Cut a hole in the top the exact size of your exhaust fan. I recommend a 9-10" turbofan from honeywell or any other similar fan. (google honeywell turbofan).

Buy a can of flat white spray paint. 1-2 cans should be enough.

Make sure to cut a door so you can open and close the grow space. When I used a cardboard box I made doors shaped like two backwards brackets like below:

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where the open part of the bracket is the cardboard and the actual black print of the bracket is where/how you would make your cut.

Viola.. A grow space that cost you under $25. :thumbsup:

[daihashi]

Ultimately, you are going to need an intake for fresh air. Personally, I find ventilation/exhaust to be the most taxing part of the whole process. That and patience....

In order to refine the suggestions you are going to receive, you might want to include if you are renting as that will drastically limit what you can do. Also, if you are in a multi-floor dwelling, is there an attic above or basement below.... I assume there is not a central air duct in that room, but if one is nearby you may be able to tap into that.

I have the same issue and have not resolved it yet.

Good luck, will be keeping up with your log. :)

A passive intake can provide more than adequate amount of cooling given that your exhaust is pushing/pulling a decent amount of CFM given the velocity it flows at.

*hint* deeper fans tend to move air at higher velocity then slim framed fans. It has to do at the angle in which the blades are set at.

[daihashi]

Just looked at your picture.

You want them as far away from that water heater as possible unless you live in a cold climate then the heat that is in that area would be beneficial to you.

If this is your only grow space you can have then push the plants back as far away from the water heater as possible. Take the oscillating fan out of the grow area and place it immediatley in front of the grow area facing your water heater. Lower the fan as low as it will get to the ground. Then point the fan as far up as you can angle it away from your grow area. Keep it on high and oscillating at all times.

Get 4 smaller stationary 2" desk fans. Or buy some 120mm computer fans and use those at each corner of your grow space for air circulation.

This will get your plants as far away from the water heater as possible. The fan will try as best as possible to lower the ambient room temperature/try to blow hot air away from the area.

Multiple smaller stationary fans should be adequate for air circulation and will allow you more room to move away from the water heater.

[should]

thanks for all the help daihashi and Cede2Weed (btw i just understood that name while typing it haha), atm 1 seed just poped out of the ground so i just added one of those home depot intake fans to blow the hot air near the hps bulb outside (ill take pics in an hour or 2) and hopefully that will be good enough until this weekend when me and my friend can use all of your helpful advise.

and btw Cede2Weed, that sucks that your in the same boat as i am, ill check out your log and try to help you out as best i can.

[should]

alright i got updated photos on should.myphotoalbum.com check em out. atm the fan isnt helping very much, ill check again tomorrow to see how bad it got. gtg eat dinner pce

[daihashi]

Well a few things.

1. Relocate your ballast outside of the grow area. This contributes to heat.

2. The fan you chose looks really small. I'm guessing that ducting is 6" in diameter. You should look to get a fan that is the same size in diameter as your ducting. Also take out the bends. You want as little restriction as possible. I believe they make some duct boosters that flow like 300-400cfm. I would get the highest flowing 6" duct booster you can find.

3. In your 9th picture on the "updated room" album there is a white fan facing away from the water heater. Is this fan running? If so you are simply wicking away heat from the water heater and into your grow area.

4. Your humidity is way too low. I see it go as low as 16 and up to 25%. You want your humidity levels to be between 30-60% during veg if possible. I try to stay between 40-50% throughout all stages of growth.

Really you need to find a better location for your grow. This area is really going to be difficult to grow in.

[should]

Yea, this is working out horrible, i looked in there this morning and it was 99 degrees!!! i took down the hps, put 4 23w cfls in there with 1700 lumens each and have that on temporarily to try and revive the plants i was cooking:mad:... the temp is now at a steady 86 which is much better even though its still bad, hooked up the fan to blow cool air from outside on the room...

after all this I'm prob gonna sell the hps system and just use what i have to veg, then ill find a place outside i can flower.:(

daihashi, i just saw your post so i will use your advice when i go back tomorrow and hopefully that will bring it down to the low 80s.

[should]

alright i had time to change everything and take new pics, i hope this works!

[daihashi]

Yea, this is working out horrible, i looked in there this morning and it was 99 degrees!!! i took down the hps, put 4 23w cfls in there with 1700 lumens each and have that on temporarily to try and revive the plants i was cooking:mad:... the temp is now at a steady 86 which is much better even though its still bad, hooked up the fan to blow cool air from outside on the room...

after all this I'm prob gonna sell the hps system and just use what i have to veg, then ill find a place outside i can flower.:(

daihashi, i just saw your post so i will use your advice when i go back tomorrow and hopefully that will bring it down to the low 80s.

86 is do-able although not great considering you had to go to cfls to do it. Is there any reason you can't move this grow into a closet or maybe use the cardboard box build I described earlier and just set it somewhere in an air conditioned room?

[should]

yea, a friend is living with me right now and hes not really into the idea of growing. Ill get the cardbord box in there on friday hopefully. Are the CFLs alright to use for veg or should i double up?

Edit: btw i might have a solution for flowering. my other friend might let me use his basement to put the hps in and ill move the plants to his house to flower. i would move the whole operation to his house but its too far away for me to drive there every day.

[daihashi]

ideally you want 5000 lumens per sqft. In a 2'x2' area that would be 20k lumens I believe

However if you could get about 5k lumens directly above/around the plant then I think that would work equally as well.. 2 plants = 10k lumens in lighting.

I wouldn't give up on the hps just yet..

Look into getting a 4" pyrex bake a round tube on ebay. About $15 shipped to your door. Then find the highest flow duct fan you can find (this is the cheap solution.. ideal solution would be an inline fan) and hook it up to one end of the cool tube with ducting. Leave the other end completely open to help draw out air from the inside of the room.

Be sure to place your exhaust as close to the top of the grow space as possible and place a passive intake or 2 down towards the bottom. Hot air rises and cool air tends to settle towards the ground.

Don't run an active intake unless you can match the same air flow as your exhaust fans. This will be more of a restriction than it would be helpful.

[should]

alright, thanks for all the help man, i really appreciate it:thumbsup:

ill deff get a cool tube and try that out, in fact ill order it now!:)

[daihashi]

Can you cut into the sheet rock at all? Preferably in a room that has a thick interior wall?

Say about 16-24" deep. The reason I ask is this. Studs are supposed to be placed about 16" apart. Many places skimp on this and it gets overlooked during inspection. To save money alot of builders will space their studs out further. I've seen some as far apart as 3ft.

Take a stud finder and locate a stud.. Drive a nail through it to verify that it is a stud. Then with a sheetrock knife cut out a section of sheet rock from stud to stud. You'll want this at least 2 ft high because you'll need to be able to get inside there a little bit to hook up your equipment.

Go to home depot and get the following.

Putty/spackle
Putty knife
2 hinges
2 magnetic latches
1 louvered circular vent
screws
nails
duct tape
sheet rock texture spray can.
a 6' 2"x2" cut into 3 2' sections

After cutting the square hole in your sheet rock take your 2' sections of 2"x2" and lay the edge of your sheet rock against it. With small nails tap the nails gently through the sheet rock and into the wood. Use the nails generously. Repeat this for the inside of the sheet rock on one of the sides where your hole was made. Take your 3rd 2"x2" and place it on the top part of the cut on the wall where the hole is at.

on the cut out sheet rock and on the side of the hole where you placed the 2x2's we'll attach hinges.. screw into the 2x2's.. get the pieces of sheet rock mated as close together as possible.

on the top part where you put a 2x2.. take your magnet latch and place one end on the 2x2 and one end on the sheet rock you cut out.. This will secure the sheetrock in place when the grow area is closed.

about 5-6ft up from the floor cut out a 4" circular hole and attach a louvered vent.. paint the inside of this vent and the ducting that will attach to it black.. This will hook up to your light system hopefully with a cool tube and a squirell cage fan or soething else that moves alot of air.

place duct tape over your hinges and everywhere you made a cut in the wall. Lay putty/spackle over the duct tape and allow it to dry.

Once dry spray the sheet rock texture aresol can over the duct tape.

Paint it to the same color as the wall.

This will provide you with stealth and cooling. The problem is finding an inside wall that's suitable to cut open. Closets and closer towards the boundaries are the house are generally good spots to find additional space in your walls.

[should]

wow, thats alot to digest lol. Ill look over it tomorrow with my friend to see if we can do it. thanks again
i gtg eat dinner, ill update you on what i did tomorrow or saturday

[Cede2Weed]

If you are going to move your plants, please do so long before flower. They will big so large and smelling that I think you would be asking for trouble. Not the dead plant kind either.

You can always add more cfls, and come up with a solution to utilize your HPS.

Daihashi will get you steered in the right direction and you have some time. As soon as he has gotten all the parameters you have to work within, I trust he will have the answer.

Good luck, hang in there!

[should]

thx cede2weed gl with your grow too; yea i think your right. Hopefully i can get the hps working without heat troubles.

daihashi, me and my friend were looking at what you were saying and it was really hard to picture and understand. Is there any way you could draw a picture of what your talking about whenever you have a chance, it doesn't have to be any time soon. I'm probably not gonna start it until Ive got some more money

[daihashi]

thx cede2weed gl with your grow too; yea i think your right. Hopefully i can get the hps working without heat troubles.

daihashi, me and my friend were looking at what you were saying and it was really hard to picture and understand. Is there any way you could draw a picture of what your talking about whenever you have a chance, it doesn't have to be any time soon. I'm probably not gonna start it until Ive got some more money

I've got to go to work right now but as soon as I get home I'll try to draw up a diagram for you. :thumbsup:

[should]

Alright, thanks!:)
just an update, the plants are not dead! the one i planted first is adjusting to the light and is now about an inch and a half tall, the one i planted a day later is struggling because of the heat but has just broke through the soil (sideways:wtf:), there are new pics up at should.myphotoalbum.com if you wanna see!

[should]

:(Just another update...the plants look dead:mad:, there shriveled up and dark green and the stem is really thin. I assume its because it gets up to 90 degrees at night for some reason. I still dont know what im gonna do, right now I'm just trying to revive them by leaving the door open to get the temp down to 70 degrees

[should]

more pics are up at should.myphotoalbum.com

[should]

i just realized theres a white fuzz on one of the plants but i just thought it was normal, is it mold? it looks like its made from the plant but idk since it looks so dead

[Cede2Weed]

My bet would be over watering/ Try to let em dry out for a day or two and see if there is any improvement.

Good luck!

[should]

alright now i dont know what to do... because mr Clandestine said it might be because the soil was too dry. What Ive been doing since 9 is misting it and i put up the 250w hps and left the door open. its at 75 degrees and its actually standing by itself now! but the color is still dark green and shriveled. so I'm gonna leave the door open tonight, and not gonna water it tomorrow so hopefully this will revive it enough to keep it alive

[Cede2Weed]

If, when misting, you left droplets on the leaves that may have acted as a magnifying glass and burned it up. Not sure, but the picture really looks bad.

I would think about everything you did during the process and really try to figure out what it may have been.

I do not remember any discussion on soils, nutes, etc... Just lights, ventilation and water. So I would start there. Figuring out what happened is far more important than saving those seedlings.

Also, based upon my readings, it may have simply been a poor seed. Apparently, bag seeds are predisposed to problems.

Here is another sight that breaks down the growing process in a more straight forward manner that may be of some help.
The Cannabis Cultivation GrowFAQ - The Internet Hub for Marijuana Cultivation - powered by phpMyFAQ 1.6.5 (http://growfaq.net/index.php?)

Good luck!

[should]

I dont think it was the seed because i bought it off of nirvanas online shop. Thanks for your help though, their dead now but i think its just because i didn't water them enough because the heat dried them out so fast. so I'm gonna try again with 1 seed, plant it in a bigger pot so it wont dry out, and if it works out i will just take clones from it. Right now its germinating in th soil (a root already popped out and I'm just waiting for the plant to break through the soil.). how long until i turn the light on?(after the plant breaks through the soil?)

[Cede2Weed]

You can turn the light on now. Best of luck with your new grow. Experience is your best friend. :thumbsup:

[should]

ok, thanks:jointsmile:. Ill keep everybody whos reading updated later on when more interesting things happen.

see you later:hippy:

[should]

new pics r up at should.myphotoalbum.com. everythings goin great

[should]

does anybody know when i should switch to 18/6?

[hudson88]

You can start with 18/6 or you can run 24/0 throughout veg, personally I give them 3 days of 24/0 then switch to 18-6

[should]

OK, thanks. i think i will switch over to 18/6 so i wont have to worry about heat during the day

[should]

everything is looking good, i dont have my camera with me so i took a picture using my phone, but im now watering around once every 3 days. the plant seems to like the 18/6 and its drinking more now that its getting bigger. i should have the camera back by tomorrow but for now ill attatch the phone pic.

[should]

ok, i finally got my camera back so heres some new pics i took today. the new plant leaves seem to point upwards and curl like a right side up canoe, is that anything i should worry about?

Edit: the good pics seem to be too big of a file to let me upload them here so iv u wanna see them just go to should.myphotoalbum.com

[stinkyattic]

It looks pretty darn good actually. If anything, that shape would indicate high temps or low humidity (or both). Be careful not to overwater, and control your temps, and you should be okay.

[should]

Alright, thanks stinky, thats always good to hear:). yea my temps have been getting pretty high but im tryin to control them as best i can, and ill put out a dish of water to raise humidity.

[stinkyattic]

Just worry about getting the temps down- that's the important part. Humidity as we discuss it here is RELATIVE humidity, and it's relative to temperature. The same amount of water makes a higher %RH in coll air than in warm air.

[should]

ohh, ok. ill definitely work on the temp then:thumbsup:

[killa12345]

Should seems like we have similar conditions.....high temps and low humitidy.....Your plants look great though.....to raise the humidity in my box...before i go to work i spray the trays and the outside of my pot ( I stay far away from spraying the plant...which i think is bad...Just a fine mist all over) i do this about 3 time a day if i can.....without spraying the my humidy is around 32-38 with 3 large cups of water in the box...With spraying my humidy never really dips below 40% usually staying around 46-55%....Might want to try it....

As for the heat..im still trying to figure it out..my box with door closed is around 78-86F with it cracked open which is right under the ac duct it stays 71-82F .im thinking of installing another 120mm computer fan for exhaust and 80mm computer fan for intake...pulling from the colder air on the opposite side of my intake....

Good luck
Killa12345:thumbsup:

[should]

Yea, that sucks about the heat, but ill have to try spraying it. Gl with ur grow too man.
Does any1 have any reccomendations on what kind of exhaust fan I should get to cool down the room a little?

[killa12345]

In the past ive used only squirrel cage fans for cooling and they worked incredicble. ive used both the large Dayton Blowers which move i think about 465cfm they retail for about $70 at your local electrical supply warehouse. I also used the Hydrofarm squirrel cage fan rated i think at 470cfm retail about $140. The hydrofarm was so much quieter than the dayton blower but twice the price.....also the dayton blower seemed to move more air than the hydrofarm, despite the lower cfm number....You can always muffle the dayton blower by enclosing it in a square air duct box....this was about 6 years ago.....now everyone raves about vortex fans(which i think on my next larger application i will move to)

PS.....Always go for the larger fan for $20 more and buy a fan controller to adjust air flow and noise. Good Luck
Killa12345

[should]

kk, cool i might have to get one of those if my plant starts lookin like it needs it...right now though its looking really good and growing fast. heres some pics

[Cede2Weed]

nice recovery, Sould. Looking good.:thumbsup:

[should]

thanks, yours are lookin real good too. sry about the hermie/male (i cant tell). hows the hydrogen peroxide workin out? i was thinkin about tryin it

[Cede2Weed]

I do not know if it is helping, but it is not hurting. I am alternating ferts one watering and peroxide the next. I think getting into bigger pots has helped me the most. I am still suffering heat/temp issues.... live and learn

[should]

Yea, i feel for u on the heat issues. its actually been pretty good weather around here atm, but once it starts getting hotter i dont know what im gonna do...

[should]

while admiring my plant i noticed a really really tiny plant had sprouted next to it:wtf:... is this normal? I'm not worried (this is the second time its happened), i just wanna know if theres a chance its another mj plant or just a different plant that sumhow got inside my indoor grow... i took it out and threw it so no pics:(.

[killa12345]

What kind on soil are you using.....I say this because me and my son keep a fruit and veg garden outside.....sometime in the cheap soil i buy him i see little spouts that come up and die even though they are in their own cointainers....i dont know ive seen it...just not with the indoor mj...:thumbsup:
killa12345

[should]

im using Mericle grow Moisture control. yea its very strange... btw im starting 3 bagseed seedlingsto just randomly plant outide to see how they do:jointsmile:

[should]

update ont he whole grow

[killa12345]

looking healthy...keep up the good work

[should]

thanks killa, heres some new pics. looks like i have a nitrogen deficiency so i bought some organic earthworm castings and I'm gonna transplant to a bigger pot tomorrow with bat guano for flowering and earthworm castings for nitrogen while feeding every other day with fox farm nutes. i cant figure out why there are these brown specs appearing on my leaves, i assume its either heat stress or mg deff so i added some Epsom salt to the water just to b safe.

[should]

and if anybody cares, heres what the bagseed plants look like after about 10 days

[should]

update:started flowering today
also the brown spots arent going away and seem to be increasing, anybody have any ideas on a quick fix?? if u want to see pics i got a bunch on should.myphotoalbum.com

[jakezking]

should, your plants look great! I don't have an answer for you on your spotting question, but I look forward to an answer, as I am having the same issue with regard to my plant.

I can't wait to see the end results on your PPP, as I really want to try that strain. It's one of the few that appear to be a really incredible plant at a price that won't tear my wallet up too badly.

I wish you continued success on your grow! Be good out there!

[should]

thanks man, yea ppp has been a fairly easy strain to grow and im pretty excited to see the end results too, and try them:jointsmile:
anyways, gl on your grow too, hopefully sum1 will help us figure out the spotting problem

[jakezking]

I like an easy grow - if there is such a thing? Mine would be easy if I could only leave my plant alone; I'm the 1 making it a difficult grow - my plant is just trying to survive me.

The similarity I see in our grow is MG soil; I bet there is either a deficiency in the soil, or maybe too heavy on the nutrients. Are you adding anything to the MG?

At the end of the day though, that PPP is lookin' good! Just watch her grow. Be good out there.

[should]

sorry ive been really busy with work, but thanks, yea im never using mgmc again cuz i think thats whats causing most of the problems, im prob causing the rest, like u lol... but no im not usin anything added to the mg other than fox farm and bat guano and a little bit of perlite. im starting to have some big new problems tho, please check em out and help me figure out whats wrong in the plant problems section.

[bigjohnson688]

plants are lookin good.as for the bagseed,it's like forest momma said(life is like box of bagseed you never no wut you gon get)bagseed is allwayz fun:thumbsup:

[should]

haha yea, i cant wait to see how it turns out... while im waiting to see what the experts say about my plant problem, i was wondering if this looked like a female to you guys?

[should]

anybody... plz! im dying to kno. r those pistles? showing that its female or just random parts of the plant???

[jessejames12345]

Hard to tell. I see small calyx, but in pic 2 it looks like might be ballsack :wtf:
yet pic 4 looks like pear shaped female calx, keep checking them :)

[should]

AHHHHHH!!!!! i was wondering why i didnt see any bud formation so late into flowering so i looked at my timer and it was set from 5 to 5:15:wtf:!!!!! so it was getting 12.25 hours on and 11.75 off! wow i feel so stupid, but does it need exactly 12 hours for it to go into flowering? or is something else wrong?:(
and btw i almost killed my plant but its recovering now:D

[should]

i think the problem was the power strip was above it and it has a light to let you kno its working so i guess that little light was enough for the plant to not go into flowering, i coveed it up, put up the hps and added a tarp on the door, so if it doesnt start flowering theres something wrong

[greenatik]

how long have you been in flower? some strains take a while to show any kind of bud

[should]

in 2 days it will b a month, after using the hps yesterday im starting to see the buds forming on the top so i think everythings gonna b alright:jointsmile:

[should]

heres some new pics i took today, you can really see the crystals start to form on the top...its still lookin beat up but its lookin better each day:thumbsup:

[killa12345]

Should..

Had the same problem with my timer for 3 days......lights on 12:15 min lights off 11:45....i didnt think it would matter well just see...Plants looking good..sorry it took a month to bud but atleast its starting....im 6 days in and im worrying i might be going down the same path without the HPS.

[jakezking]

should, I'm glad to see the flowering is underway. I read somewhere in another thread about a bat guano problem - I think it was greenatik's thread, where he burned up Pilav a bit from adding too much guano? It looks like you have everything under control though now!

I wish you continued success, and I look forward to watching those buds develop! Have a fantastic 4th, my friend!

[should]

hey killa, yea it was worrying me for a while but it could've been a bunch of variables, but i think i got all my bases covered now...good luck, hopefully it wont happen to u. good luck:thumbsup:

and thanks jakezking, i think it started out with me being a little excessive with the fox farm then it ended up with me accidentally suffocating them with bat shit:wtf:...have a good 4th of July as well:D

[should]

some pics of the flowers coming along nicely!
the top of the plan healed nicely but the bottom everything shrivled up and died, any tips on how to help it out?

[jakezking]

should, I'm glad to see your PPP is healed up and moving along. The same exact bat guano problem hit greenatik pretty badly too, and his Pilav has really come back strong, so you may want to check with him in his grow log. I don't know what can be done to "heal" the lower part of your plant - just good nutes from here on out, and the new growth should make up for the lower part.

I'm germinating a PPP bean right now, and I hope she will end up as vibrant as yours. Even with the burns, your PPP looks like she'll be a beauty. Be good out there!

[should]

Thanks for the compliments jakezking, good luck with the ppp and let me know how it goes if you dont do a log. ill have to check out greenatik's log to see what he did to help his problem... actually ill do it now since im bored:jointsmile:

[should]

bad news... my smallest plant, the 1 ft one turned out to b male... my PPP and other bag seed are healthy females tho, heres some bad quality pics (sorry)

[should]

Should i be worried about how small the main bud on my ppp is since its already a month into flowering?? It might be because its so fuckin hot outside its slowin down its growth rate (lower to mid 90s)... do you think it will finish off being a healthy big bud? there are alot of bud sites but theyre all pretty small atm, im givin it nutes and got the hps on it and got a vortex 4 inch fan exhausting the air so every condition is good but the heat, sorry for rambling but i just saw a pic of ak 47 a month in and the bud was huge and got me worrying

[jakezking]

should, I don't really know much about PPP's tendencies in flowering - maybe it's just slow to flower - I do know it has really strong vegetative growth. Mine ended up dying - it's stem snapped in some high winds, but it grew so fast it caught up with other seedlings that were over 1 week older.

How hot is it in your grow room? It doesn't look like it's having any heat issues from the pictures, but maybe the previous nute issue slowed it down? Just keep treating her with TLC and your bloom nutes, and see where she takes you. Hopefully more experienced growers will give you more detailed and better advice!

Good luck, my friend!

[should]

Damn, sorry to hear about that... i guess i will just have to wait it out and hopefully it will take off soon.

it is usually in the 90s because it is in the 90s outside and the door leads directly outside, but the good news is it has been in the 80s the last couple days and hopefully it will stay that way...

thanks for the replies, i appreciate it, and good luck on your grow:thumbsup:

[should]

btw i havent said this recently, i keep updating pics and vids online at should.myphotoalbum.com so if u wanna see more just go there and got a whole bunch....

alright it looks like theres around 30 days till harvest time :D and a cant wait... lots of buds forming but i still have a shitty camera so its hard to see how nice its turning out. heres some new pics for anyone who cares lol

[jakezking]

should, it looks like your PPP is doing mighty fine now! She has tons of bud sites, and I'm sure will be putting on plenty of weight with those FF nutes you're feeding her. I know you can't wait, and I can't wait to read about her weight and smoke. I've got another PPP outside - she's 2 days of veg - hopefully she'll make it!

Thanks for the update, and I look forward to continuing to watch your grow. Be good out there, my friend!

[pugster]

good luck with the grow ) ,im doing a hydro ppp atm, shes a very light feeder (ppm 300/350),heres mine at 4 weeks veg, i let the ph drift between 5.2 /6.1 ,they seem to like this.
http://www.hg420.com/gallery/uploads/5613/DSC00868.JPG

[should]

Sorry i havent replyed but ive been on vacation for 5 days, when i got back the bud really thickened up and is lookin good... but i do have a pretty bad problem, when i got home i saw a notice saying "semi annual apartment inspection on wednesday":eek:
i kno i kno everybody says dont grow in a apartment but i thought i was in the clear... the good news was i got that notice on sunday night when i got home so i had time to plan, i already packed everything up but the plants and the light and fan, im gonna put that in my car while the inspection is goin on (tinted windows ftw). ill let you kno how it goes:wtf:

btw good luck with that second ppp seedling jakezking and keep me updated on how ur ppp grow goes pugster (i couldnt open the pic)

[should]

so yea.... long story (with a bunch of horribly timed and shitty events) short, my 2 plants are outside now lol. everythings ok but im debating whether or no to leave them outside at m friends house or risk driving them back to my place tomorrow night. now for the bad news, i dont kno how and im not gonna ask but the main stem of my bagseed brokeoff, sonow i gotta tape it and hope it heals... and now that i dont think i can trust leaving it with my friend, unless somebody has a good reasonwhy i shouldnt, im gonnatransport them back to my place tomorrow night

[Puffzter]

Exaxt same tging happened to me last night. I snapped it but it is holding together. Stringed it up and water/nutes pass the damaged point fine and that top is still growing. Wont hold up its own weight though.

Good luck with yours m8.

Puffzter

[should]

thanks, i just went over to check on it and its lookin pretty bad, its splinted but all the leaves are droopy and looks like its about to die. i just found out tho that its been slowly bending since i put it outside so i think i broke it when i transported it.

on a positive note, the ppp is looking great, the bud is really starting to get thick and the white hairs are turning brown which means its getting ready to harvest, does anyone know how long it will take for about 80% of the hairs to turn brown after the first couple started?

also since the ppp is loving the outdoors, unless it starts to show signs of stress i think im going to finish growing it outside. is there anything i should lookout for and take precautions for when growing outside?? it should only have about 10 to 15 days left

rant over:jointsmile:

[hydrocannabis]

any new pix. ppp

[jakezking]

should, I'm sorry to hear about your bagweed cola breaking, but am really glad to hear your PPP is thriving! My PPP is about 17 days into veg, and is looking pretty good; but, still really young.

I don't know how long it will take for your hairs to dry out - how long has your PPP been flowering now? I saw where you said it's only got about 15 days left, so I'm guessing you have answered your own question? As for things to watch out for growing outside, my main problems have been too much rain and insects. I bought some concentrated neem oil at Lowe's, and it seems to be doing the trick against the insects. As far as excess rain, I just ensure I have dumped any excess out of the bottom reservoir, so the soil can still drain. If you have plenty of perlite in your soil mix, then you should drain pretty well - it just makes it a bit aggravating when it rains everyday after you give your plants nutes! I tend to wait a few days after the rain to provide additional nutes, fearing I will overnute.

Sorry for the ramble, and I hope you are able to glean something from my post - chiefly watch out for rain and insects. Good luck finishing up that PPP!

[should]

good to hear jake, cant wait to see the end result of a ppp that isnt as messed up as mine haha, i honestly couldnt tell you how long its been in flower for but i believe its been around 7 weeks. ill look out for neem oil next time im shopping, how much do you use?? and pics coming shortly

[should]

just a quick update, still no pics, sorry but the ppp is doing great and i just put in 2 new seeds that just geminate for my next grow ad the seeds for dieselryder r comin in the mail, ordered em 2 days ago

[should]

Pics! zoom in, its lookin real good.

i think only 6 more days till harvest. what do you guys think?

[should]

more pics...

[should]

last 2

[hydrocannabis]

wow wow wow. looken very nice now.:D

[JaySin]

Those look like they need a lot longer then 6 days. I'm no expert, but I think they should be a lot more filled out then that.

[hydrocannabis]

Those look like they need a lot longer then 6 days. I'm no expert, but I think they should be a lot more filled out then that.


you R so right. I would wate till around end of september or november.
cuz in texas I have to wate to harvest till november.

and also once some time ago more experienced growers told me that my buds will swell a lot in the last month of flowering both indoors and outdoors.
and also the buds will for sure be way more potent.

if it was me i'd wate. but thats me. have a good one.

[should]

really? because its been almost 2 months of flowering and alot of the hairs are turning orange... thanks for letting me kno but r u sure??

[should]

if so i dont mind waiting at all, the one plant that died i decided to harvest what i could off it and got 2 gs haha

[hydrocannabis]

well really what U wanna do is get your self a microscope and have a look at the color of the trich.

If U want a more uplifting high wate till all the trich turn a cloudy color but if U want a mix of uplifting and couch lock wate for cloudy and some amber trich then if U want a full couch lock the wate for mostly amber trich color.

that is what has been working for me.

:thumbsup:

[should]

k, do i look at the leaves growing out of the buds or the actual buds themselves?

[jakezking]

should, that PPP is lookin' fantastic! I agree with the comments made, as she looks like she still has a bit more time - by looking at the pics. It looks like 95% of the pistils are still alive and thriving. I was told by an experienced grower that if you don't have a microscope/loupe, then you can eyeball the plant in gauging maturity of the trichomes by keeping an eye on the pistils. The more dried pistils/hairs the plant has, the more mature the trichomes are as well - being that the plant is in decline.

I bought a 30x loupe off ebay for around $8, so I'd recommend it. Dutch Pimp told me about a handheld microscope at Radio Shack for $12, so take your pick. Either one should give you a much more detailed look at the trichs in determining when to harvest. As hydro stated, from clear to amber you progress from an "up" high to a couch lock.

Glad to see your PPP lookin' so tasty, my friend! I can't wait for my lil' lady to step up with frost in her hair! Have a great weekend!

[daihashi]

I bought a 30x loupe off ebay for around $8, so I'd recommend it. Dutch Pimp told me about a handheld microscope at Radio Shack for $12, so take your pick. Either one should give you a much more detailed look at the trichs in determining when to harvest. As hydro stated, from clear to amber you progress from an "up" high to a couch lock.

Glad to see your PPP lookin' so tasty, my friend! I can't wait for my lil' lady to step up with frost in her hair! Have a great weekend!

Get the loupe over the microscope. I own both and I can say that using a loupe is much easier and convenient, plus you don't have to press the bud right up against it to be able to see.

[hydrocannabis]

Get the loupe over the microscope. I own both and I can say that using a loupe is much easier and convenient, plus you don't have to press the bud right up against it to be able to see.

so where would I get a loupe so I can my trich. and I can't order it off line I need to get it from a store.

[should]

I actually just bought a microscope from radioshack so ill check on it tonight, thanks for helpin me out everyone.

btw, just an update, i got the diesel ryder seeds today and theyre germinatin right now. on a sadder note, I overnuted the ppp soil and the seedlings didnt make it, but it was for the better because now the lighting schedule wont b fucked up...pics tonight of the finishing ppp hopefully

[should]

good news everyone, all 8 seeds germinated and i planted them today! sry no pics yet of the finishing ppp bt i think im gonna go se it tonight

[should]

alright im not sure if i fucked up but when i looked at it last night all the hairs were brown on the top so i checked the microscope and about 10 percent of the trics were amber so i chopped the main budoff and its drying now. i think its gonna way around 5 gs cuz it was 20 gs wet. if i did it too early i dont mind i still have the other half

[should]

Alright, i kow its been a while but ive been busy and my camera broke. so for anyone who is interested about the PPP i cut the main part way too early and got 4 gs of some not so potent bud, then i finally cut the other half of the plant and got 6 gs of the best smelling, tasting, and potent bud ive had in a while. not to mention its not harsh at all because i flushed for like 4 weeks. for the details, the smell is like streight up lemon, the smoke is so smooth i couldnt tell if i was getting a hit until i blew it out and ill have pics on the bottem toshow u what it looked like. i must say, even though it basically took 5 months to finish (obviously because of my mistakes as a beginner) and only yeilded about 10 gs (mostly because i nute burned the bottem half of it and it never grew back) this is a great plant to grow and i would recomend this to everyone (but you have to be careful about nute burning it because its a little sensitive in that area, but other then that its great because after all the stress i put it through it never hemied) end rant lol...

now, if anybody cares about my diesel ryder grow i will make a new log for that one after i post this.

oh yea, and if anybody has any questions or comments about ppp or any of my methods let me know and ill be happy to share:thumbsup: